2 Oct
2011
2 Oct
'11
6:49 p.m.
Ok...anyone know who dropped the big 20 kilobux on this one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/120784313119?s
Not saying it's not worth it (I've certainly never seen a working one,
ever,) but the price is still a shock. Big $ for an Apple 1 I can
see...there are collectors of "cultural icons" like the original Apple
product outside of our hobby. I can't see the same being so for a
Commodore relic.
--
jht
2 Oct
2 Oct
7:03 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason T" <silent700 at gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 9:49 PM
Subject: The Commodore 65
Ok...anyone know who dropped the big 20 kilobux on
this one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/120784313119?s
Not saying it's not worth it (I've certainly never seen a working one,
ever,) but the price is still a shock. Big $ for an Apple 1 I can
see...there are collectors of "cultural icons" like the original Apple
product outside of our hobby. I can't see the same being so for a
Commodore relic.
--
jht
Won by a 0 feedback buyer, good luck getting $20K from them.
I never seen an Apple I being that big of a deal other then to people who
collect Apple, the C65 is the same for Commodore collectors. There will
always be collectors shelling out serious cash for the unusable rarities
while other collectors pay trivial amounts for the common machines that
actually have some software and hardware available.
7:09 p.m.
On 10/02/2011 10:03 PM, TeoZ wrote:
Won by a 0 feedback buyer, good luck getting $20K from
them.
...because everyone knows people with large amounts of money
automatically start out with high feedback ratings when they establish
an eBay account.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
7:34 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: The Commodore 65
On 10/02/2011 10:03 PM, TeoZ wrote:
While a serious CBM collector might have just made an account in the last 30
days just for that C65 auction (there have been a few auctioned off over the
years on EBAY), more then likely it is just the seller driving up the price
with a throw away account (2nd chance offer to next highest bidder).
Won by a 0 feedback buyer, good luck getting $20K
from them.
...because everyone knows people with large amounts of money
automatically start out with high feedback ratings when they establish an
eBay account.
-Dave
7:42 p.m.
On 10/02/2011 10:34 PM, TeoZ wrote:
While a serious CBM collector might have just made an account in the
last 30 days just for that C65 auction (there have been a few auctioned
off over the years on EBAY), more then likely it is just the seller
driving up the price with a throw away account (2nd chance offer to next
highest bidder).
Looking at the bid history, it's certainly possible, though it's
pretty tough to get away with that unless you do it from a friend's home
or office on a different computer. eBay tracks the IP addresses that
bids come from, as well as cookies from the browser, to identify shills.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Won by a 0 feedback buyer, good luck getting $20K from
them.
...because everyone knows people with large amounts of money
automatically start out with high feedback ratings when they establish
an eBay account. 
8:07 p.m.
On 10/02/2011 10:55 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote:
This is a very good point, I hadn't considered the mobile device
angle, thanks for pointing that out.
My original assertion stands, though, that it's pure bunk that you're
automatically going to get screwed simply because the person is new to
eBay. Everybody starts somewhere.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
>>
it's certainly possible, though it's pretty tough to get away with
that
unless you do it from a friend's home or office on a different
computer.
It's easier than ever, especially with all the mobile devices, for
people to have two or more IP addresses readily available. 
8:22 p.m.
On 02/10/11 10:03 PM, TeoZ wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason T" <silent700 at gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 9:49 PM
Subject: The Commodore 65
Zero feedback doesn't say anything about the trustworthiness of the
buyer other than it was worth registering to buy the item. Disparaging a
zero feedback user is like disparaging a newborn baby for crimes they
haven't committed yet.
--T
Ok...anyone know who dropped the big 20 kilobux
on this one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/120784313119?s
Not saying it's not worth it (I've certainly never seen a working one,
ever,) but the price is still a shock. Big $ for an Apple 1 I can
see...there are collectors of "cultural icons" like the original Apple
product outside of our hobby. I can't see the same being so for a
Commodore relic.
--
jht
Won by a 0 feedback buyer, good luck getting $20K from them.
I never seen an Apple I being that big of a deal other then to people
who collect Apple, the C65 is the same for Commodore collectors. There
will always be collectors shelling out serious cash for the unusable
rarities while other collectors pay trivial amounts for the common
machines that actually have some software and hardware available.
10:11 p.m.
I'd take a 237 auction buyer $ 11000. 0 feedback bidders don't usually
have a good track record. You pay what, under 10 cents to verify your
credit card? All the other bidders with a track record are elbowed
aside in favor of the 0 rated buyer who had never bid on an auction and
in many cased I've been in with them not only have never bid, but also
don't understand Ebay's bidding rules.
With nothing in the game, there is little risk to the guy who bid 0 to
try to negotiate a deal once all the other bidders have dispersed.
At least this one was not a $1100 dollar auction with this sort of bid,
and maybe the $11,000 bid is real if this guy tries something. You can
watch the feedback to see if he gets any for this auction. otherwise
won't know.
jim
On 10/2/2011 8:22 PM, Toby Thain wrote:
On 02/10/11 10:03 PM, TeoZ wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason T" <silent700 at gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 9:49 PM
Subject: The Commodore 65
Zero feedback doesn't say anything about the trustworthiness of the
buyer other than it was worth registering to buy the item. Disparaging
a zero feedback user is like disparaging a newborn baby for crimes
they haven't committed yet.
--T
Ok...anyone know who dropped the big 20 kilobux
on this one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/120784313119?s
Not saying it's not worth it (I've certainly never seen a working one,
ever,) but the price is still a shock. Big $ for an Apple 1 I can
see...there are collectors of "cultural icons" like the original Apple
product outside of our hobby. I can't see the same being so for a
Commodore relic.
--
jht
Won by a 0 feedback buyer, good luck getting $20K from them.
I never seen an Apple I being that big of a deal other then to people
who collect Apple, the C65 is the same for Commodore collectors. There
will always be collectors shelling out serious cash for the unusable
rarities while other collectors pay trivial amounts for the common
machines that actually have some software and hardware available.
3 Oct
3 Oct
5:29 a.m.
On 03/10/11 1:11 AM, jim s wrote:
I'd take a 237 auction buyer $ 11000. 0 feedback
bidders don't usually
have a good track record.
To be specific, they don't have ANY track record.
What's the result of dividing by zero?
--Toby
You pay what, under 10 cents to verify your
credit card? All the other bidders with a track record are elbowed aside
in favor of the 0 rated buyer who had never bid on an auction and in
many cased I've been in with them not only have never bid, but also
don't understand Ebay's bidding rules.
With nothing in the game, there is little risk to the guy who bid 0 to
try to negotiate a deal once all the other bidders have dispersed.
At least this one was not a $1100 dollar auction with this sort of bid,
and maybe the $11,000 bid is real if this guy tries something. You can
watch the feedback to see if he gets any for this auction. otherwise
won't know.
jim
On 10/2/2011 8:22 PM, Toby Thain wrote:
On 02/10/11 10:03 PM, TeoZ wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason T" <silent700 at gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 9:49 PM
Subject: The Commodore 65
Zero feedback doesn't say anything about the trustworthiness of the
buyer other than it was worth registering to buy the item. Disparaging
a zero feedback user is like disparaging a newborn baby for crimes
they haven't committed yet.
--T
Ok...anyone know who dropped the big 20 kilobux
on this one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/120784313119?s
Not saying it's not worth it (I've certainly never seen a working one,
ever,) but the price is still a shock. Big $ for an Apple 1 I can
see...there are collectors of "cultural icons" like the original Apple
product outside of our hobby. I can't see the same being so for a
Commodore relic.
--
jht
Won by a 0 feedback buyer, good luck getting $20K from them.
I never seen an Apple I being that big of a deal other then to people
who collect Apple, the C65 is the same for Commodore collectors. There
will always be collectors shelling out serious cash for the unusable
rarities while other collectors pay trivial amounts for the common
machines that actually have some software and hardware available.
8:17 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Toby Thain
Sent: 03 October 2011 13:30
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: The Commodore 65
On 03/10/11 1:11 AM, jim s wrote:
Not that I am good at spotting these things, but isn't that a possible
instance of shilling to find out what the highest bid was from a legitimate
buyer?
Regards
Rob
I'd take a 237 auction buyer $ 11000. 0
feedback bidders don't usually
have a good track record.
To be specific, they don't have ANY track record.
What's the result of dividing by zero?
--Toby
You pay what, under 10 cents to verify your
credit card? All the other bidders with a track record are elbowed
aside in favor of the 0 rated buyer who had never bid on an auction
and in many cased I've been in with them not only have never bid, but
also don't understand Ebay's bidding rules.
With nothing in the game, there is little risk to the guy who bid 0 to
try to negotiate a deal once all the other bidders have dispersed.
At least this one was not a $1100 dollar auction with this sort of
bid, and maybe the $11,000 bid is real if this guy tries something.
You can watch the feedback to see if he gets any for this auction.
otherwise won't know.
jim
On 10/2/2011 8:22 PM, Toby Thain wrote:
> On 02/10/11 10:03 PM, TeoZ wrote:
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason T" <silent700 at
gmail.com>
>> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
>> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 9:49 PM
>> Subject: The Commodore 65
>>
>>
>>> Ok...anyone know who dropped the big 20 kilobux on this one?
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/120784313119?s
>>>
>>> Not saying it's not worth it (I've certainly never seen a working
>>> one,
>>> ever,) but the price is still a shock. Big $ for an Apple 1 I can
>>> see...there are collectors of "cultural icons" like the original
>>> Apple product outside of our hobby. I can't see the same being so
>>> for a Commodore relic.
>>>
>>> --
>>> jht
>>
>> Won by a 0 feedback buyer, good luck getting $20K from them.
>
> Zero feedback doesn't say anything about the trustworthiness of the
> buyer other than it was worth registering to buy the item.
> Disparaging a zero feedback user is like disparaging a newborn baby
> for crimes they haven't committed yet.
>
> --T
>
>>
>> I never seen an Apple I being that big of a deal other then to
>> people who collect Apple, the C65 is the same for Commodore
>> collectors. There will always be collectors shelling out serious
>> cash for the unusable rarities while other collectors pay trivial
>> amounts for the common machines that actually have some software
and
hardware available.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> 
8:26 a.m.
Last person to give me an instant second chance got an instant report to ebay :)
Dave Caroline
9:43 a.m.
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/03/2011 11:26 AM, Dave Caroline wrote:
By its nature of being a qty on a pallet with a picture it was a one
off in my opinion with a shill bid to get as much as he could out of
me.
I dont play those games, be honest as a seller please.
Dave Caroline
Last person to give me an instant second chance got an instant report to
ebay :)
?Huh? ?Why? ?It's a pretty common practice when the seller has more than one
unit to sell. ?I've done it myself.
? ? ? ? ? -Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
11:12 a.m.
On 10/3/11 12:43 PM, Dave Caroline wrote:
By its nature of being a qty on a pallet with a picture it was a one
off in my opinion with a shill bid to get as much as he could out of
me.
I dont play those games, be honest as a seller please.
How is having more than one of something to sell "playing games" or
"dishonest"? I am very confused here.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Last person to give me an instant second chance got an
instant report to
ebay :)
Huh? Why? It's a pretty common practice when the seller has more than one
unit to sell. I've done it myself.
11:51 a.m.
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/3/11 12:43 PM, Dave Caroline wrote:
By its nature of being a qty on a pallet with a picture it was a one
off in my opinion with a shill bid to get as much as he could out of
me.
I dont play those games, be honest as a seller please.
?How is having more than one of something to sell "playing games" or
"dishonest"? ?I am very confused here.
? ? ? ? ? -Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Because the item you get is NOT in the picture nor described
Dave Caroline
Last person to give me an instant second chance got an instant report to
ebay :)
?Huh? ?Why? ?It's a pretty common practice when the seller has more than
one
unit to sell. ?I've done it myself.
4:19 p.m.
On 10/03/2011 02:51 PM, Dave Caroline wrote:
How is having more than one of something to sell "playing games" or
"dishonest"? I am very confused here.
Because the item you get is NOT in the picture nor described
And this is really an issue for IDENTICAL items? Say, even in their
packaging? (that's when I do it)
There's holding sellers to a high standard, and then there's being
anal for the sake of being anal.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
> Last
person to give me an instant second chance got an instant report to
> ebay :)
Huh? Why? It's a pretty common practice when the seller has more than
one
unit to sell. I've done it myself.
By its nature of being a qty on a pallet with a picture it was a one
off in my opinion with a shill bid to get as much as he could out of
me.
I dont play those games, be honest as a seller please.
11:03 p.m.
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/03/2011 02:51 PM, Dave Caroline wrote:
Because the item you get is NOT in the picture nor described
?And this is really an issue for IDENTICAL items? ?Say, even in their
packaging? ?(that's when I do it)
?There's holding sellers to a high standard, and then there's being anal for
the sake of being anal.
? ? ? ? ? ? -Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
was Item 160644988749
by its nature and the sellers 94% the picture was not matching the items
I suspected a shill bid to extract the max as others discussed
Dave Caroline
>>
>> Last person to give me an instant second chance got an instant report
>> to
>> ebay :)
>
> ?Huh? ?Why? ?It's a pretty common practice when the seller has more
> than
> one
> unit to sell. ?I've done it myself.
By its nature of being a qty on a pallet with a picture it was a one
off in my opinion with a shill bid to get as much as he could out of
me.
I dont play those games, be honest as a seller please.
?How is having more than one of something to sell "playing games" or
"dishonest"? ?I am very confused here. 
4:21 p.m.
Because the item you get is NOT in the picture nor
described
I deal quite a lot in surplus -specifically antique and collectable
electronics - and often have duplicates of items. Identical, often new,
never out of the wrappings. And yes, sometimes high ticket stuff. For much
of it, I *dare* you to find differences in the identical items. Sometimes
hundreds of items that were probably made within minutes of each other,
years ago. New pictures of every item is wasteful.
You are being a real jerk - the kind of buyers ebay does *not* need. The
kind that does not bother to look at seller feedback, because you think all
sellers are the same - dishonest lying snakes. Tell you what - send me your
ebay name off list, and I will instantly add it to my blocked bidder list.
You know, because all buyers are the same, right?
--
Will aka toober
5:07 p.m.
On 10/3/2011 4:21 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
I'm currently dealing with a
seller who I have polled for years and may
have bought from before. It's not worth looking back years of records,
but I have similar material to what I just bought.
Since the boards I bought came from a device I'm interested in, I asked
if he had more of specific units, and he volunteered that there is
another complete unit available at one of his customer's sites. He
parted out the unit I have parts of, because there was no interest when
he listed it complete, and I missed the listing.
So I'm very interested in buying the unit he may have access to, don't
feel he needs to list it on epay for me to feel good about having to
outbid a 0 feedback bidder.
I'm not sure of the reason for the attitude. there is a reason to be
friendly to sellers, because if they have one nice gizmo, they probably
have a warehouse full.
I'd certainly look at past transactions and if they indicate the sale of
generally the same stuff as I'm buying on, I'll deal on other stuff
around the current auction.
It's easy to see which sellers just have something and have no clue (say
a rare terminal or part, and 500 collectable dolls are the other things
they have listed). and also to look at the feedback. I have had little
trouble getting a read from the situation, similar to what I'd find at a
swap meet or hamfest. The situation is similar if you are dealing with
people there or on ebay. Only difference is whether the seller will
ship you the goods when you pay the money, which is easier to settle
face to face.
However the dealing and read of the vendor is about the same. You've
probably missed out on some nice items because of your quick reports,
and as William said probably won't be getting anything else from the seller.
the worst experiences I've had is getting a bid on an Item I needed or
wanted and then the seller cancels for some reason.
Jim
Because the
item you get is NOT in the picture nor described
I deal quite a lot in surplus
-specifically antique and collectable
electronics - and often have duplicates of items.
6:15 p.m.
I'm not sure of the reason for the attitude.
there is a reason to be
friendly to sellers, because if they have one nice gizmo,
they probably
have a warehouse full.
A few years back, I was nice to an ebay seller, bought an IBM 2501 from him,
then later bought eleven more major pieces for my mainframe collection. But
if I had chosen the dick path, I would only have the one piece.
However the dealing and read of the vendor is about
the same. You've
probably missed out on some nice items because of your quick
reports, and as
William said probably won't be getting anything else from the seller.
11:59 p.m.
New subject: auction photos (was Re: The Commodore 65)
William Donzelli wrote:
I deal quite a lot in surplus -specifically antique
and collectable
electronics - and often have duplicates of items. Identical, often new,
never out of the wrappings. And yes, sometimes high ticket stuff. For
much
of it, I *dare* you to find differences in the
identical items. Sometimes
hundreds of items that were probably made within minutes of each other,
years ago. New pictures of every item is wasteful.
On the other hand, the seller has no way to know what characteristics of
the item are important to me as a buyer. I've bought things where the
seller indicated that the photo was the actual item being sold, bought
the item, received it, and found that it was actually not the pictured
item. In a recent case, the vendor/mask/date code of a chip on a board
were different, and those actually mattered to me. Maybe to anyone else
it wouldn't have mattered. If the seller hadn't stated that picture was
the actual item, I might have asked, but because he did, I believed
him. (Of course, if he was willing to lie in the posting, he might also
have lied if I asked by email.)
If an auction listing has a picture, and the picture isn't the actual
item, there should be an explicit statement of that fact. Otherwise the
auction listing is false advertising, and a buyer that is dissatisfied
with the item for not matching the photo has a legitimate complaint.
Eric
4 Oct
4 Oct
11:35 p.m.
New subject: auction photos (was Re: The Commodore 65)
If an auction listing has a picture, and the picture
isn't the actual item,
there should be an explicit statement of that fact.
No, there is no requirement for this, nor does there need to be. There
is plenty of legal precedence with Implied Warranties (in the US,
anyway).
As long as any variations are insignificant (the UCC calls it
"standard tolerances" or something), everything is legal and above the
table.
Think of the legal mess there would be if this was not the case.
--
Will
5 Oct
5 Oct
8:11 p.m.
New subject: auction photos (was Re: The Commodore 65)
I wrote:
If an auction listing has a picture, and the picture
isn't the actual
item,
there should be an explicit statement of that fact.
William Donzelli wrote:
No, there is no requirement for this, nor does there
need to be. There
is plenty of legal precedence with Implied Warranties (in the US,
anyway).
As long as any variations are insignificant (the UCC
calls it
"standard tolerances" or something), everything is legal and above the
table.
Think of the legal mess there would be if this was not
the case.
Who is to say what variations are "insignificant"?
"Standard tolerances" doesn't cover a lot of the variations between
photos and actual items I've seen. For instance, I just bought some
chips. The seller had two different lots of chips with the same base
part number. For one, the photo showed chips marked ES (Engineering
Sample), which means that they were not qualified for production use.
The other lot had chips without the ES marking. I specifically
purchased the lot of chips without the ES marking. What actually
arrived is chips with the ES marking, although they aren't the specific
chips pictured in either auction lot. Are you going to tell me that
this is "standard tolerances"?
8:52 p.m.
New subject: auction photos (was Re: The Commodore 65)
Who is to say what variations are
"insignificant"?
The significance of the variation depends on what is being sold, and
is based on what is "reasonable" for the kind of sale. "Reasonable"
is
determined by common sense - what most people would think is OK,
basically.
Some kinds of sales tolerate no variations - works of art, for
example. Any variation would pretty much mean the object is not
original.
Some things can have a little variations, like a chair. The figure of
the wood will be unique to all chairs, but the finish can be
specified.
Some things can have bigger variations, like a pile of crushed cars.
As long as the metal content is there, the makes and models really do
not matter.
And then some things can have pretty wide variations, like a plate of
meatloaf from the diner. Is it made like how my mother made it, or
yours?
In your chip experience, I would say that the differences were
significant enough (by quite a bit) that you have the right to void
the deal. Any court would see that most engineers would not be willing
to swap engineering samples for production parts. However, if the only
difference was perhaps the manufacturer of the chips, the story might
be different. A court might see that most engineers would not care if
their 555 timers were made by Signetics or National.
Remember, the implied warranty is there to protect both the buyer and
the seller.
--
Will
12:37 p.m.
New subject: Free: pair of 32 MB SIMMs for HP 3000/9x7 & HP 9000/8x7 computers
Hi,
So, you've got an HP 3000/917 (or any 9x7, or a 9000/8x7) that's
booting up too quickly?
You can solve that by adding more memory! :)
(The POST can take half an hour on a fully loaded 9x7 / 8x7!)
Seriously, if anyone wants a pair of 32 MB SIMMs for
a 9x7 or 8x7, please email me offline.
Free for pickup in Santa Clara,
otherwise $15 via PayPal (for domestic US shipping).
thanks,
Stan
12:49 p.m.
New subject: Free: pair of 32 MB SIMMs for HP 3000/9x7 & HP 9000/8x7 computers
On 10/5/2011 12:37 PM, Stan Sieler wrote:
Hi,
So, you've got an HP 3000/917 (or any 9x7, or a 9000/8x7) that's
booting up too quickly?
You can solve that by adding more memory! :)
(The POST can take half an hour on a fully loaded 9x7 / 8x7!)
Tell me about it. I was playing with my 3000/957SX last night. It has
800mb of ram in it. Waiting for the console to come up is a perfect time
to go fix dinner or catch a TV show.
4 Oct
4 Oct
12:25 p.m.
Dave Caroline wrote:
By its nature of being a qty on a pallet with a
picture it was a one
off in my opinion with a shill bid to get as much as he could out of
me.
I dont play those games, be honest as a seller please.
Please feel welcome not to bid on my auctions.
Peace... Sridhar
12:37 p.m.
On Oct 3, 2011 9:47 AM, "Dave Caroline" <dave.thearchivist at gmail.com>
wrote:
By its nature of being a qty on a pallet with a picture it was a one
off in my opinion with a shill bid to get as much as he could out of
me.
I dont play those games, be honest as a seller please.
A shill bid on a $10 item? How would that be worth the time and hassle for a
seller?
1:43 p.m.
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Glen Slick <glen.slick at gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 3, 2011 9:47 AM, "Dave Caroline"
<dave.thearchivist at gmail.com> wrote:
I happen to know a person who was actually a regular shill bidder on
his own gear and was asked to participate
which I avoided doing, but it does give me an insight into those that
do. They are just maximising profit in their eyes.
It is the same as being at a real auction and the auctioneer using the
wall behind you. I think that happened to me once on a logic analyzer.
On the punters side there is the ring where only one bids to keep the
price down. to defend yourself there put a book bid on and stand in
the crowd stationary and watch the rings expressions.
Dave Caroline
By its nature of being a qty on a pallet with a picture it was a one
off in my opinion with a shill bid to get as much as he could out of
me.
I dont play those games, be honest as a seller please.
A shill bid on a $10 item? How would that be worth the time and hassle for a
seller?
3 Oct
3 Oct
5:25 a.m.
On 10/2/2011 11:22 PM, Toby Thain wrote:
Zero feedback doesn't say anything about the
trustworthiness of the
buyer other than it was worth registering to buy the item. Disparaging a
zero feedback user is like disparaging a newborn baby for crimes they
haven't committed yet.
--T
I can't help but think of original sin in the eyes of the Catholic
Church here. Your analogy might not hold exactly. :)
Keith
4 Oct
4 Oct
12:16 p.m.
> I can't help but think of original sin in the
eyes of the Catholic
> Church here. Your analogy might not hold exactly. :)
On Mon, 3 Oct 2011, Chris
M wrote:
I can't help but think of Asimov's foundation
series.
I can't help but think of HHGTTG, specifically Golgafrincham.
3 Oct
3 Oct
5:21 p.m.
On 03/10/11 8:25 AM, Keith Monahan wrote:
On 10/2/2011 11:22 PM, Toby Thain wrote:
Their concept seems, prima facie, the more tenuous.
--T
Zero feedback doesn't say anything about the
trustworthiness of the
buyer other than it was worth registering to buy the item. Disparaging a
zero feedback user is like disparaging a newborn baby for crimes they
haven't committed yet.
--T
I can't help but think of original sin in the eyes of the Catholic
Church here. Your analogy might not hold exactly. :)
Keith
2 Oct
2 Oct
7:34 p.m.
On 10/2/2011 8:49 PM, Jason T wrote:
Ok...anyone know who dropped the big 20 kilobux on
this one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/120784313119?s
Not saying it's not worth it (I've certainly never seen a working one,
ever,) but the price is still a shock. Big $ for an Apple 1 I can
see...there are collectors of "cultural icons" like the original Apple
product outside of our hobby. I can't see the same being so for a
Commodore relic.
I was surprised at the total, and I did notice the winner was a
0-feedbacker, though if you look at the next highest bid, it was 20K
from a bidder with plenty of feedback.
Next year, remind me about this before VCFMW. I have 2 working units,
plus the exceedingly rare RAM expansion card (I'm not sure there are any
others in existence), as well as an earlier version of the RAM card that
is not complete, and a special burnin cartridge for the unit (not
complete, don't know what it does). I can bring it to the show and demo it.
Jim
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