- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by gm10＠consulnix.com

Hi, I was curious if anyone had any information about (or experience with) LOBO Systems MAX-80's. I have four of these, and they came with no accessories, documentation, etc. I found an operations manual and a Technical Reference manual, but that's about it. My only testing so far was to connect them to an NTSC monitor, and all I get is some static-like display. Reading the operation manuals, it says something to the extent that it should display static if there are no disk drives attached. But another part of the manual says it should show some text on power-on. I am hoping to connect a floppy to one of these soon, and try to get it to do something useful -- but I wanted to ping the list to see if anybody has played with one of these, or might have additional documentation. Thanks, Garrett Meiers

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collusions

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

its come to my attention that theres quite a bit of crosstalk - quote, unquote - on the list lately. Maybe for a long time. I find this very hurtful, not to mention unprofessional, downright unwholesome. If you should be made aware of these intentionally super secret cabals, its your responsibility to expose them immediately. Thank you.

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Black Hole nearly dead

by legalize＠xmission.com

The Black Hole surplus in Los Alamos was supposed to close Monday, but they still have a crapload of stuff they are trying to sell, so they will continue to be open on a weird schedule. I went down there this Sunday (yes, they were open on Sunday for a change) to get the 3 Tektronix RGB monitors that go with the Tektronix 4125 that I pulled out of there on my last trip. (Returned with a 5x8 Uhaul covered trailer filled to the top and my car full as well, plus a little overflow on Will Donzelli's trailer.) While rummaging around one last time, I pulled out some more odd non-PS/2 keyboards (VT220, Intergraph, Cray Viking, Amiga, HP 264x), a Tektronix digitizing tablet w/puck & PSU, some manuals (mostly Tektronix), a case of DEC fanfold paper tape and 5 cases of punch cards. Still remaining down there that might be of interest to others: - VAX 3500 in the pedestal case - early model TI Silent 700 desktop - 8 late model Silent 700s with the snap-on case - Televideo 921 terminal (no keyboard) - ASR33 on a pedestal, kinda rough shape - Tektronix 3621 hard copy unit - lots of punched cards, NIB, some in case boxes (5 boxes per case) - paper tape, some of it whole boxes - mylar tape - 2x IBM model 26 card punch - lots of Friden calculators - several Friden flexowriter desks - 2x modcomp racks, looks like they were for disks, but the disks are gone and the wiring harnesses are cut - lots of chart paper rolls, generally free -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" free book <http://tinyurl.com/d3d-pipeline> The Computer Graphics Museum <http://computergraphicsmuseum.org> The Terminals Wiki <http://terminals.classiccmp.org> Legalize Adulthood! (my blog) <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>

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HP 9820A

by pye＠mactec.com.au

I was dropping off some rubbish today at the local council dump, and noticed an old HP machine in the trailer next to me. I didn't even say anything, I just stopped and stared at it and the guy asked if I wanted it. When I said yeah, he replied with "shame you weren't a few minutes earlier, I just chucked two others in the recycling bin and all the manuals and tapes/cards are in the pit." Turned out to be an HP 9820A, and I managed to get the other 9820A and a 9810A out of the recycling bin without anyone noticing. Unfortunately couldn't retrieve anything else. Just wondering if there is anything in particular to watch out for when powering up one of these for the first time other than normal power supply checks? I (obviously) don't know much about these machines at all, but I'm particularly mystified about how the built in card reader worked (is it magnetic?).. Could it be written to as well? Cheers, Chris

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VCF Midwest

by silent700＠gmail.com

Greetings from the 7th annual Vintage Computer Festival Midwest! The 'fest is well under way, well-attended and chock full-o-nerds. Updates and occasional pics can be found here: https://twitter.com/vcfmidwest Full pic galleries to come... -j -- silent700.blogspot.com Retrocomputing and collecting in the Chicago area: http://chiclassiccomp.org

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Scelbi PCB Card Guides

by nick.allen＠comcast.net

Hi Everyone, had an amazing time at VCFMW this year, looking forward to VCF East! Anyone have any recommendations on where to source the PCB card guides used in the Scelbi? I am working on a chasis for a Mark 8 Minicomputer and want to use the same style card guides. Thanks for your time, -Nick

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Model Computers (was: UNIVAC model)

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote: > Out of curiosity, have any of us here created a model of a system like this? > I have to admit that in the past I gave serious thought to modeling a > PDP-10. I have not as of yet, but because of the studio photographs on the covers of many of the 1970s DEC handbooks, I've wanted to make 1/12 scale models of PDP-11s. For bonus points, the terminals would work. ;-) The mechanical data to draft these up is surely available in site planning guides and maintenance printsets. It's a lot of work, but I think it's totally feasible. -ethan

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Interesting court case on tv used facebook as evidence

by barythrin＠gmail.com

I'm sure I'm late to the game here but I was stuffing my face with pizza and diet coke with my BPA filled cup at a restaurant while they hypnotize me with TV in my face. Anyway, something that struck me as odd although I normally don't listen much to the star struck lawsuit tv shows was a lady suing an ex-roommate for property stolen during a move out debate. I'll leave the long story short but in the argument the plaintiff brought up a facebook conversation apparently between her and the defendant as evidence. The judge asked the defendant if she was aware of the tv or if she denies taking it and of course she denied it, then brought up the conversation which mentions the tv and the defendant apparently commented on it saying it was a loss or something. In the long run the plaintiff lost the case as she wasn't there during the incident, the defendant used the popular defense that it wasn't her on her facebook account arguing and was someone else and the judge said it was all circumstantial evidence so the case was lost. I'm just curious if someone here has legal experience but wouldn't a conversation on facebook have an expectation of privacy? Is that legally allowable in court if it's private email? I wasn't sure if since it's obviously related to the case if there's an exception or obviously if it was a public wall post then it was meant for the public to see and you wouldn't have any expectation of privacy. Since in the IT field we all are probably familiar with having to create disclaimers everywhere for expected use and no privacy, etc it's a curious line for email. Last I recall even though a person uses your computer (i.e. they don't own the equipment) they still have an expectation of privacy and their personal email shouldn't be monitored without consent. I believe universities end up with this conundrum often with personal computers attached to their network, etc. Does anyone here have legal experience for electronic monitoring or submission to court in this day and age? I know it's more likely just an opinion topic I just expected the judge to say something about the evidence not being admissible.

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new member

by tom_a_sparks＠yahoo.com.au

----- Original Message ----- > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 19:55:18 +0100 (BST) > From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: new member > Message-ID: <m1TFrKu-000J4ZC at p850ug1> > Content-Type: text/plain > >> >>? I have just subscribed to this mailing list a few day ago > > Greeitngs ans welcome to the list. <snip> > There are many I think. It depends on what you mean by a GUI. DO you > incldue windowing systems that had a good command line interpretter, but > had some programs that were operated with pointign device (mouse), > pull-down menus, etc? I would, or at least I'd regard them as a close > ancestor. > > With that in mind : > > I notice you haven't included any of the 'classic' wokstations. <snip> they are unofficial on my wish-list, but until a hardware emulation version is made, i'll wait > For smaller machines, there were several graphicl front-ennds for MS-DOS. > And Microsoft Windows ran on non-IBM-compatibles. IMHO the HP150 version > of Windows is interesting for that reason. I know about Dr's Gem and 16bit Geos, Visi On > > There was a graphical frontend for OS-9 (Microware's OS, nothing to do > with the Mac) on the CoCo3 called, IIRC, Multiview. i'll have to looking to that > >>? ????* BBC micro (wrote programs using usborne computer books from the >>? 1980 without the hardware) > > The Beeb should be very easy to find unless you want soem exotic version, > likw an Acorn Cambridge WOrkstation or an Acorn Business Computer. > > >>? ????* Altair 8800 / IMSAI 8080 reproduction versions > > I'd go for an HP9830. It's easier to find than an original Altair, it > was > the first comptue that was an all-in-one machine that you put on a > desk/bench, plgged into the mains and typed BASIC on. I'ts certainly a > candidate for 'first personal computer. don't get me started on the 'first personal computer' > > You don't say where you are in the world (this is an international list), Australia <snip> > > One final point (for the moment). You seem to be interested in the real > hardware, which is good, I am in three minds/worlds when it comes to real hardware: classic hardware only lasts as long are there are parts to repair them hardware emulation/remakes[1]: smaller than the classic hardware software emulations: no physical space need > but do rmemeber it will need repairs from time > to time. Or you might buy a non-working machine. There are plenty of > people here who will help you sort out non-workign hardwre, but > ultimately it's you who have to make the measurements and do the repairs. that why I prefer working hardware > > -tony tom [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_computer_remake

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Black Hole nearly dead

by gerhard.kreuzer＠liftoff.at

Hi, any body able to get the Friden calculators or some of then and ship it to Europe? I will take the costs, no matter. With best regards Gerhard

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Source for marked sense cards ?

by hp-fix＠xs4all.nl

Does somebody knows a source for marked sense cards (the ones you have to mark with a pencil) for my HP 9860Aa Marked Card Reader? A good 1:1 or 2:1 scan would do also, but the actual cards are better. -Rik

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by india_50＠yahoo.com

http://venelles-en-vie.fr/wp-content/plugins/akismet/google.html?eefv=at.hs…

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by india_50＠yahoo.com

http://minkenberg-rolluiken.nl/wp-content/plugins/akismet/google.html?to=gw…

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Who can identify the platform, these CDC diagnostic floppies were made/formatted for?

by p.gebhardt＠ymail.com

Hello everybody, I'm holding in my hands four 5,25 inch floppies from CDC, more specificly from their division Magnetic Peripherals. These came with some FSD-drives a couple of years back. Google turned up with not a single hit, when looking for more information about these floppies. They are marked with "1244-00,? souble side, single/double density, soft sector, 35/40 track" regarding their type. That's written on the etiquette: 1. SDI diag. disk PN: 92989602 2. SMD-0/E diag. disk PN: 93290704 3. SMDSTD, SMD-0 PN: 93290703 4. ISI diag. disk, PN: 93845702 ? I'd like to save the contents and maybe use it, as well, but I have no clue for which platform/system they are. Can anybody help me on that? Thanks alot in advance for your help! Pierre ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pierre's collection of classic computers : http://classic-computing.dyndns.org/

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Rack storage for RL cartridges?

by IanK＠vulcan.com

Hey folks, On the PDP-8/e we have set up here, we have a rack-mount shelf for RK05 cartridges. Does anyone know if there was ever such a thing for RL cartridges? I have a fair amount of rack space on our 11/70, which is configured with RL01 and RL02 drives, and it would be nice to have some neat place to store them on the exhibit floor. Does it ring any bells for anyone? Thanks! -- Ian

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Freebie...

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

ooh ooh gimmee gimmee gimmee ------------------------------ On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 2:21 PM PDT geneb wrote: >I've got a DEC Ethernet loopback plug that I have no use for. > >It's got a 15 pin D shell connector (thick ethernet?) and a green status LED on the opposite end. The part number cast into the dongle is 12-222196-02. > >Anyone that wants it can have it for postage. > >tnx! > >g. > >-- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 >http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. >http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. >Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. > >ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment >A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. >http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

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Freebie...

by geneb＠deltasoft.com

I've got a DEC Ethernet loopback plug that I have no use for. It's got a 15 pin D shell connector (thick ethernet?) and a green status LED on the opposite end. The part number cast into the dongle is 12-222196-02. Anyone that wants it can have it for postage. tnx! g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

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IBM 9663-001

by BHuntsman＠mail2.cu-portland.edu

Hi there! I know there doesn't seem to be a lot of mainframe hobbying happening on this list, but anyone here know anything about the 9663-001 "Snow Leopard" ESCON PCI board? It's based on one of those Artic960's with a pretty big AIB. So far, the most info I can find tends to be about TPF and the EOCF/2 system for managing it. You could also supposedly use it with LANRES and NetWare... Anyway, if anyone has any info, it'd be appreciated! -Ben

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new member

by tom_a_sparks＠yahoo.com.au

I have just subscribed to this mailing list a few day ago I am interested in GUI based computers I currently have 3 Amiga computers (A500, A1200, sam440) in my collection here is my wanted list are there any other gui based computers that I should add? ????* RiscOS system ARMini ????* GEOS system (Commodore 64 / Commodore 128) ????* Atari ST ????* Apple IIGS ????* Apple Macintosh (68k/PPC only) System 7.5.5 ????* BBC micro (wrote programs using usborne computer books from the 1980 without the hardware) ????* Altair 8800 / IMSAI 8080 reproduction versions --- tom_a_sparks "It's a nerdy thing I like to do" Please use ISO approved file formats excluding Office Open XML - http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Ubuntu wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tomsparks 3 x (x)Ubuntu 10.04, Amiga A1200 WB 3.1, UAE AF 2006 Premium Edition, AF 2012 Plus Edition, Sam440 AOS 4.1.2, Roland DXY-1300 pen plotter, Cutok DC330 cutter/pen plotter?

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guess the card - Sysgen 4540

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

one 40 pin chip's id is obliterated, the other is an SCN8035A (a uP). Toshiba TMM2016-AP10, 2 roms. Lots of glue. 18.0000 mhz? crystal. A weird squarish gray connector on the bracket. 8 bit ISA.

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SAM76 source code, documentation?

by eric＠brouhaha.com

Wikipedia says that SAM76 was rewritten in C and that the source code and documentation were available. Does anyone actually have it? Thanks, Eric

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Industrial PDP8... Dazzler

by wh.sudbrink＠verizon.net

So, I imagine I'm not the only one who made an offer on the Dazzler pictured in the Industrial PDP8 lot on ebay. I notice that the picture of the Dazzler has been removed from the lot page, but I didn't get any reply from the seller. I thought I made a pretty good offer, oh well. Anybody on the list get it? Would you mind sharing what you paid? Bill S.

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Prototype PCBs?

by brain＠jbrain.com

Anyone know an inexpensive source for prototype DIY circuit boards? From time to time, I like to use them to prove out ideas, and I'm running low on stock. Jim -- Jim Brain brain at jbrain.com www.jbrain.com

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someone was looking for a Hayes Pocket Edition Modem 2400

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

e-mail me. I'll check the list to see if you were _that_ person, not an impersonator. When I have the time. No disks, just the item and a couple of small manuals.

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VMS grey wall of manuals

by spedraja＠ono.com

No affiliation. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/35-Digital-VMS-System-Management-C-DCL-RMS-manual… Regards SPc.

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AT&T 3B2 software preservation

by amh＠POBOX.COM

Greetings, I'm in possession of a reasonably complete set of SVR3 media (and associated drivers, diagnostics, etc.) for the AT&T 3B2 on 5.25" QD floppies. Sadly, I no longer have any 3B2 hardware, but with luck one day I may change that. I had planned on imaging and preserving these disks for my own use, if nothing else. But it occurs to me that I don't know how rare they might be, and I might do harm by attempting to read them in an EBay'ed PC floppy drive (albeit with cleaned heads). Is this material sufficiently preserved that I don't need to worry about damaging my copies? I didn't see any 3B2 related bits on bitsavers and a cursory google search didn't turn up much. I have a few disks with duplicate contents, so I risked a test run with Unix dd and got a sane-looking complete image with no I/O errors, and no material shedding off the floppy that I could see. I still need to see if the bits are good at a higher level (I think they are formatted as "S5" filesystems, not sure). But I'd have no problem shipping the floppies to a respected member of the community who does this kind of thing all the time (e.g. bitsavers), if it would be worth their time. thanks, -Andy

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Altos 586 physical diskettes or QIC Tape.

by spedraja＠ono.com

This is message that I send from time to time. I got one operative Altos 586. It has the Xenix Kernel damaged, and I don't have diskettes to start the system from them. If someone can do a physical copy of the set of disks available (I don't remember the exact place now) and send it to me, or even a tape to start the system (I'm not sure if this can de done), we can speak about a trade. Contact off list, please. Thanks Sergio

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pdp 10 concle ebay?

by tdk.knight＠gmail.com

just noticed this one on ebay sitting at $810 atm http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-DEC-PDP-10-KI-10-Computer-Console-Panel-Sup…

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P/390E 1GB & ESCIMO

by BHuntsman＠mail2.cu-portland.edu

Hi all! Since it'd been talked about before, I thought I'd share some photos, in case anyone ever wanted to see what this stuff looks like! Here are some pictures of my prototype P/390E board with 1GB of S/390 memory: http://www.flickr.com/photos/87479714 at N05/sets/72157631592809957/ And, after years of searching, and quite a bit of help, I managed to land an "ESCIMO" ESCON channel board from an IBM 3006 S/390 Integrated Server. Just got this in the mail today! It will work with the P/390E board, though I'll probably have to remove the blue extension at the end to get it to fit into my PC Server 330. Here are some pictures of it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/87479714 at N05/sets/72157631592838663/ -Ben

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proud (soon to be) owner of a VAXstation 3100

by cctech＠beyondthepale.ie

> >For a VS3100 M76 SPX the video cable is a BC23J. That's the cable I use >with my M76 SPX to connect it to an NEC MultiSync CRT. 15-pin to 3 BNC >connectors. > >The SPX graphics controller is switchable between 60 Hz 1024 x 864 and 66 >Hz 1280 x 1024. > >http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/vax/vs3khw.html > That webpage has the correct pinouts listed. However, under the heading "How to connect a Sony Multiscan monitor to a VS3100", it suggests connecting pin 9 on the VAX (monochrome signal) to pin 6 on the monitor (red return). The monitor may well have all the returns connected together so the display may work fine and the incorrect connection may not be noticed but damage could be done to whatever is driving the monochrome signal on the VAXstation system board. Regards, Peter Coghlan.

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proud (soon to be) owner of a VAXstation 3100

by cctech＠beyondthepale.ie

> >> There is also a monochrome video signal available from the frame buffer on the >> system board which is not usually used if you have one of the optional colour >> graphics cards: >> >> 3. Monochrome ground >> 9. Monochrome video > >What are the specs on this signal? Can I feed it to, say, a composite display? > It's the same as the GPX rate and the lower of the SPX rates - 54kHz horizontal, 60Hz refresh, 1024x864. It is a 1V pk-pk 75 Ohm composite video signal but a TV rate only monitor is not going to like the horizontal frequency. Regards, Peter Coghlan.

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PromICE 'loadice' software

by snhirsch＠gmail.com

Does anyone have support software for the Grammar Engine PromICE ROM emulator? There were utilities built for Mac, Sun SPARC and MS-DOS (I'm primarily interested in the last). Mine seems to be what's discussed in the V3.0 manual on bitsavers. If bitsavers has the diskette images, I couldn't find them. Steve --

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proud (soon to be) owner of a VAXstation 3100

by cctech＠beyondthepale.ie

> >Got it. I'll verify the connector when it arrives. I do know that I have a >DA-15 to 3BNC connector around here, though I *thought* it was for a >Macintosh. Do you know the pinout? When I look for DA-15 video pinouts I >keep getting Mac ones. > (Do the Mac people not call it a DB-15? :-) It's the same as for a VAXstation 2000 and I have a manual for that which has the pinouts. Hmmm. Perhaps it's only the VS2000 that also passes the keyboard and mouse signals through that connector - there is no room for more connectors on that machine. The video signals are: 1. Red 2. RGB ground 10. Green 11. Blue There is also a monochrome video signal available from the frame buffer on the system board which is not usually used if you have one of the optional colour graphics cards: 3. Monochrome ground 9. Monochrome video If you make up an DA-15M - DA-15F adapter to get at these, you can probably run your VS3100 double headed. I've done it with a GPX graphics card and VMS. I assume it is also possible with an SPX graphics card. I can't see why not. (I remember our sales guy's jaw nearly hitting the floor when I showed him the Decwindows mouse pointer moving from one monitor onto the other :-) Regards, Peter Coghlan.

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First FORTRAN Program Runs, Sept 20, 1954

by cclist＠sydex.com

An interesting article about one of the granddaddies of programming languages: www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/edn-moments/4396778 --Chuck

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Wanted : Dunp of HP9820 Peripheral Control II module

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

Does anyone have a dump (in any sane format [1]) of the Peripheral Control II (PC-2, whatever) ROM module for the HP9820 calculator? Not PC-1, which I already have. Last time I looked, it wasn't included with the HP9800e emulator. Also looking for dumps of the DataComm 2 and DataComm 3 moduels for the HP9830 (I have DataComm 1), but these are much less important at the momnet. [1] Plain binary, Intel Hex, List of octal numbers (as used by HP9800e), BPNF, Motorola S record, whatever. Thanks in advance ofr any help -tony

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proud (soon to be) owner of a VAXstation 3100

by cctech＠beyondthepale.ie

> >Picked up a VAXstation 3100 M76 from Nekochan. Looks like a nice box, but >keyboards and mice on ePay are at ghastly rates. If anyone has a spare of >either or both they'd like to sell, please let me know. In the meantime, >I'll wire its MMJ port to one of the beige Macs' serial ports. > >It also has the SPX graphics board. How easy are those to convert to VGA? >It has a 3W3 connector, I think (it hasn't arrived yet). > My VAXstation 3100 M76 doesn't have a 3W3. It has a DA15M which carries RGB signals with sync on green. I have a DEC cable called a BC19S which converts >from the DA15 to three BNC connectors which plug into my monitor. The keyboard and mouse signals are also carried on the DA15 on some models but this doesn't seem to be the case with the M76. My keyboard and mouse are plugged in to the back of the VAXstation. There are no horizontal and vertical sync signals on the DA15 connector so conversion to VGA requires some sort of active device. The SPX card has two switches on it. One of them allows the resolution to be changed. One or other setting may be more suitable for whatever monitor you have available. Any sort of an LK201 or LK401 or similar keyboard as used on VT220 or VT420 or several other terminals seems to work fine with the 3100. There is a small recessed switch on the back of the VAXstation which allows a terminal plugged into an MMJ socket to be used as the console instead of using the graphics system as the console. Do not be tempted to plug in or out the DA15 cable while the power is on. I damaged my SPX card by doing that :-( Regards, Peter Coghlan.

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Early Sun manual archives?

by derschjo＠gmail.com

Hey all -- (Here's hoping this makes it to the list, my last couple of mails appear to have disappeared into the nothing...) I was fortunate to come into possession of a very complete Sun-2/120 workstation last week. (Complete enough that it came in the original boxes and included amongst other things a bottle of tape head cleaner with a Sun P/N on it...) Included with the system are maybe 8 feet of manuals and other ephemera, I haven't done an extensive inventory but it seems to cover SunOS 1.0 through 3.0, some hardware documentation, and I have other assorted goodies like the first few issues of the Sun User Group "README" newsletter, sales pamphlets, sales invoices and correspondence between the buyer and Sun. I haven't found any digital archives of this stuff (but perhaps I've been looking in the wrong places). Is any of it of particular interest w.r.t. archiving? (Anyone with a bulk scanning setup willing to take it on?) - Josh

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proud (soon to be) owner of a VAXstation 3100

by cctech＠beyondthepale.ie

> >ON top for the reason of.. > >What flavor of 3100? It makes a difference. > Do you mean it makes a difference as to what signals appear on the DA-15? The 3100 Cameron was asking about the video signals on and the 3100 I have which does not seem to pass the keyboard and mouse signals to the DA-15 connector are both model 76's. The 3100 I ran double headed some years ago was probably a model 30 or model 40 I've still got it somewhere but I haven't run it for a while now. I can't remember whether it passes the keyboard and mouse signals to the DA-15. My VAXStation 2000's definately pass the keyboard and mouse signals to the DA-15 as there is nowhere else to get them :-) > >I ask as I have 8 of them and no more than two of any variant. >The VS3100 series was not a monolythic model but the generic designation >for a group of system. > I have a few Microvax 3100's but I don't think I have any other variations of VAXStation 3100. Regards, Peter Coghlan. > > >Peter Coghlan wrote: >>> Got it. I'll verify the connector when it arrives. I do know that I have a >>> DA-15 to 3BNC connector around here, though I *thought* it was for a >>> Macintosh. Do you know the pinout? When I look for DA-15 video pinouts I >>> keep getting Mac ones. >>> >>> >> >> (Do the Mac people not call it a DB-15? :-) >> >> It's the same as for a VAXstation 2000 and I have a manual for that which >> has the pinouts. Hmmm. Perhaps it's only the VS2000 that also passes the >> keyboard and mouse signals through that connector - there is no room for >> more connectors on that machine. >> >> The video signals are: >> >> 1. Red >> 2. RGB ground >> 10. Green >> 11. Blue >> >> There is also a monochrome video signal available from the frame buffer on the >> system board which is not usually used if you have one of the optional colour >> graphics cards: >> >> 3. Monochrome ground >> 9. Monochrome video >> >> If you make up an DA-15M - DA-15F adapter to get at these, you can probably >> run your VS3100 double headed. I've done it with a GPX graphics card and VMS. >> I assume it is also possible with an SPX graphics card. I can't see why not. >> >> (I remember our sales guy's jaw nearly hitting the floor when I showed him the >> Decwindows mouse pointer moving from one monitor onto the other :-) >> >> Regards, >> Peter Coghlan. >> >

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dec m7294 to m7297 availible for trade or sale

by tdk.knight＠gmail.com

anyone looking for these boards they came with a backplane i picked up to use for storing spare cards on also a a single wide mini blank jumper card of some sort 9-77p g727a grant continuity ? anyone interested? i'm located in winnipeg canada

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Service bureaus (Was: Tek 4051 firmware listing

by dm561＠torfree.net

Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:08:12 -0800 From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> Subject: Re: Service bureaus (Was: Tek 4051 firmware listing <snip> After that, I learned to drop by keypunch to occasionally chat with the ladies (it was comprised entirely of women), and occasionally drop off some munchies and other things. They knew me and I knew them. And I never had an issue with keypunch after that. --Chuck +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ As a matter of fact my very first job was also in a service bureau and that's where I also learned the importance of being able to charm the ladies, a skill that's served me well (and gotten me into considerable trouble) in subsequent years... mike

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PDP8-L and Teletype in eBay

by pdp8＠theadamsons.co.uk

> >> Oohhhhhh that's gonna go for some serious bucks. This is going > to be > >> fun to watch. > > Yeah. That's a sweet setup, and I don't remember the last time I > even > > saw pictures of an Industrial-8. > > > > -ethan > But it isn't a pdp8/L - it's an /E or possibly an expanded /M so apart from the colours and the scope not particularly unusual. I'd like it of course (alas I'm in the UK) but I wouldn't go overboard. I've never seen the dectape head protectors (?) before. Bob

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proud (soon to be) owner of a VAXstation 3100

by spectre＠floodgap.com

Picked up a VAXstation 3100 M76 from Nekochan. Looks like a nice box, but keyboards and mice on ePay are at ghastly rates. If anyone has a spare of either or both they'd like to sell, please let me know. In the meantime, I'll wire its MMJ port to one of the beige Macs' serial ports. It also has the SPX graphics board. How easy are those to convert to VGA? It has a 3W3 connector, I think (it hasn't arrived yet). -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail. -- Gore Vidal ---------------

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guess the card - Sysgen 4540

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

I didnt count, but probably. Thats a heck of a lot of silicon for a tape drive, but what do I know. The Tandy 2000 Bernoulli controller has about a dozen common ttl. Anyone got a Bernoulli drive they dont need? ------------------------------ On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 8:49 PM PDT Chuck Guzis wrote: > > >On 20 Sep 2012 at 16:29, Chris Tofu wrote: > >> one 40 pin chip's id is obliterated, the other is an SCN8035A (a uP). >> Toshiba TMM2016-AP10, 2 roms. Lots of glue. 18.0000 mhz? crystal. A >> weird squarish gray connector on the bracket. 8 bit ISA. > >Connector is 50 pin? It's a tape controller, probably QIC02. Don't >know anything else about it. > >--Chuck > > >

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cctech Digest, Vol 109, Issue 22

by tim＠tim-mann.org

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:00 PM, <cctech-request at classiccmp.org> wrote: > Message: 17 > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:38:09 -0400 (EDT) > From: Mike Loewen <mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: TRS-DOS as possible prior art for MS patent on exFAT, and > Reference request > Message-ID: > <alpine.LFD.2.02.1209171837070.18720 at cpumagic.137clearview.org> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Eric Smith wrote: > > > Scott Kevill wrote: > >> Best references are: [...] > > > > Thanks for the excellent list of references. > > > > I think "TRSDOS 2.3 Decoded" was what I was trying to think of when I > > reference "TRS-80 Disk and Other Mysteries". > > > > Do you mind if I include your list, with attribution, on a web page about > > prior art relating to the patent? > > You might want to contact Tim Mann, whose work on LDOS may have > included some file system interfacing: > > http://www.tim-mann.org/ldos.html I'm on this list, though I don't always keep up with reading it. "The Programmer's Guide to LDOS/TRSDOS Version 6", copyright 1983, also documents the HIT. See http://tim-mann.org/misosys.html#down.

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Tektronix 9100 operators manual and 9100 series seminar workbook available

by auringer＠tds.net

I offered these up before and had no takers. Anyone interested in saving them from the recycle bin for the cost of shipping from 53714? -Jon

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Vintage mechanical design software collectors?

by auringer＠tds.net

Hi All, Does anyone collect / maintain old versions of programs like I-DEAS or ANSYS? I have a stack of literature about these, and other, design systems. My inclination is to recycle. Anyone care? -Jon

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Anyone near Canby, MN?

by brain＠jbrain.com

An item of interest there, but it's currently too far to pick up for me. Was hoping to find a kind soul who store it for a spell until I could make a trip. Jim -- Jim Brain brain at jbrain.com www.jbrain.com

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Slashing the letter O (Was: Re: Service bureaus (Was: Tek

by jcw1231＠pacbell.net

In my ham radio contacts from the early?'60s till rather recently, I often saw the slash?used to designate a zero; I noticed the same thing in engineering school in the late '60s and early '70s.? And, I have a Teletype Corporation teleprinter that has the slashed zero type pallet (ah, fond memories of loud noises and the smell of oil), although TTY Corp did make a non-slashed zero type pallet for the same type basket.? It was my understanding that, at least in this country, it was the zero that was slashed rather than the letter O.? Ah yes, more possibilities for confusion.

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DEC perf board

by auringer＠tds.net

Hi all, I have a piece of perfboard (6.75" x 3.375") with two 20 x 20 grids of plated holes. It is labelled with "DEC" and "A-1". What do I have? Thanks, -Jon

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original Fortran source for Prolog

by spectre＠floodgap.com

There are references in the literature to a Fortran Prolog interpreter, apparently written by Alain Colmerauer himself with Phillippe Roussel. Actually finding this interpreter, despite copious references to it, has been considerably more difficult. There are also references to a Berkeley Prolog (not University of California) that is also in Fortran. Does anyone have a lead on, or possess, any of these small early interpreters? Yes, I know about the WAM, gcc prolog, etc. -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- Male Macintosh geeks are so predictable. All we think about is X. ----------

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in need of an SX-64 keyboard

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

email me please

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Amstard PPC640D - boot idsk?

by peter＠vanpeborgh.eu

1987 vintage. I have this one in beautiful condition, although batteries may be tired. Does anyone out there have a functioning system disk for its drive A? The ones I have are duff or not the correct type of disk - difficult to tell. DOS 3.3 is the revision of DOS required. Thanks. || | | | | | | | | Peter Van Peborgh 62 St Mary's Rise Writhlington Radstock Somerset BA3 3PD UK 01761 439 234 || | | | | | | | |

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Origins of term "laptop" computer was Re: Bill Moggridge

by feldman.r＠comcast.net

Evan Koblentz wrote: >>>>> On the Osborne 1, Lee Felsenstein designed in a connector for >external battery power! When queried about how large the battery >would be, Lee > >>>> Measuring mine (including case), it's about 155mm wide x 115mm deep x >190mm high > >Then it must be a prototype, or custom-made, or unauthorized, because Lee >himself told me Osborne never made a battery, and that there was a deal in >the works to authorize an aftermarket battery, but the deal fell through. I hate to say that Lee was wrong, but I've been able to locate the user manual for the Osborne battery I have. It was called the Powr-Pac(tm). The manual is printed with a tan and blue cover, just like the rest of my Osborne software manuals. Copyright is 1982. The Part Number in the manual is 3F-00128-00. If anyone wants a scan of the manual, email me. Bob

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Shameless plug: HP plotters on epay

by hp-fix＠xs4all.nl

I know it's a plug and yes I'm shameless, but.. I've put some HP plotters and classic calcs (non hp) on ebay http://myworld.ebay.nl/dr_emiel -Rik

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I meant Scion PC 640 was Re: Psion PC 640

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

why would I intentionally make posts difficult to read, being Im looking for responses to sometimes obscure queries?? Yahoo upgraded itself recently and no longer inserts the conventional >. Sorry I refuse to do that manually. Perhaps theres a setting I could alter. I saw an Australian bloke post as Ive been, even when it wasnt apparently necessary, on the usenet, and figured it was appropriate. It never seemed unreadable to me. ------------------------------ On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 2:05 PM PDT Vincent Slyngstad wrote: >From: "geneb": Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:52 PM >> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012, Chris Tofu wrote: >> C:\DERP> I don't understand the question. If it's "what am I quoting?" - >> Byte January 1984, p.8 >> >> He's politely asking why you quote replies like you've got a mental disorder. > >I had assumed he's reading his email in HTML or some client that uses color to indicate quoting. Then when it arrives here there's no color, leaving nothing but that C: to mark his stuff. Depending on how he handles line wraps, that would also explain why there's only one C: on the first line of each segment he writes. > >Or, he could be deliberately using a difficult-to-read style to troll us. >In which case, he's succeeded. > > Vince >

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Psion PC 640

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

Im looking at a picture of one, albeit small, but I see nothing approaching the size of a crt controller. Did the MicroAngelo have one?

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Need software for Chromatics CG Series computer

by richardlynch3＠verizon.net

Does anyone know if there is software available for a Chromatics CG-1599 color graphics computer? Z80-based, has a dual 8? floppy drive and paper tape reader. Supposedly there was a version of Microsoft BASIC for it, but first I have to find the OS to get thing booted. Richard Lynch

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Sequent SE20 any interest?

by shadoooo＠gmail.com

Hello, what Diablo drive do you have? I'm searching for drives (fixed or cartridges) for a Data General (SMD or custom interface) and for a PDP (SMD / SDI interface). If you have some drives, please contact me before they go to the scrap. Thanks Andrea > Some might have to go to scrap (ie. Diablo drives that people don't want to ship).

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WANG PC-XC2/2 Software?

by holm＠freibergnet.de

Hi, a friend of mine got a Wang PC-XC2/2 lately. We found out that the computer itself is still working, even the Display. Unfortunately the contents of the keyboard are pretty much rotten, he is in the proces of restoring the keyboard to a working state... He now suches some Bootdisk , this PC has only two 5,25" Floppy drives. There semms nothing appropriate on bitsavers, where else to look? Kind Regards, Holm -- Technik Service u. Handel Tiffe, www.tsht.de, Holm Tiffe, Freiberger Stra?e 42, 09600 Obersch?na, USt-Id: DE253710583 www.tsht.de, info at tsht.de, Fax +49 3731 74200, Mobil: 0172 8790 741

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Onyx and Monroe 80186 based systems

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

Any out there?

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TRS-DOS as possible prior art for MS patent on exFAT, and Reference request

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

I would try to get a manual for Trackcess or Super Utility Plus. Both of those should have indexes that document the TRS-DOS directory format. There were several articles in 80-Micro as well, that had to do with undeleting files using Super-Zap. Al From: Eric Smith <eric at brouhaha.com> So my question is, are there any published works documenting the TRS-DOS? file system on-disk format, especially the use of the HIT table, other? than "TRS-80 Disk and Other Mysteries" by H. C. Pennington?

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Sequent SE20 any interest?

by rborsuk＠colourfull.com

Hi All, I'm going to post this to the list. I hate getting involved or starting with flame wars / or character bashing but I think I'm pretty nice and don't deserve this. I offer the computer up to the list before scrapping or ebay or whatever. It seems that Tothwolf was nice enough to post to the list my response to him but not his response to me. There's a bunch of you on the list who I've worked with in the past and I'm happy to work with you in the future. To call a spade a spade, it's my computer. I paid for it. I can do what I want with it. I've made it no secret that I'm out of work and I have to pair down my collection. Some I sell, ie Sequent and I made my AMT Dap available on the list, others might have to be parted out (ie non functioning systems). Some might have to go to scrap (ie. Diablo drives that people don't want to ship). I don't like that I have to do this, it's just a fact of life. I have bills to pay and I don't want to lose my house and other things I do value. I'm not saying boo-hoo poor me. I'm just stating a fact. I have lots of beautiful systems that will stay with me for quite some time more and I won't let them go until the very end. All this said, don't beat me up for what I have to do. I think I was being good by offering it up to the list. I paid more then $150 for it but I just don't have an interest in it. WIth all this said, I'm going to coordinate with who wrote me first, second etc. and get this system to a new home. Thanks. Rob On Sep 17, 2012, at 5:53 PM, Tothwolf wrote: > > I've been out of work longer than that yet you don't see me posting "Give me money or the computer gets it" messages to classiccmp. If Jay were around these days you'd probably have been removed from the list for even posting such stuff. > > > On Sun, 16 Sep 2012, Robert Borsuk wrote: > >> I'm not going to part it out to sell, I'm going to scrap it. I've had this for a couple of years and now I'm offering it to the list. >> I'm not breaking the bank at $150 but I've been out of work for 6 months and I need to make sure I have money for my bills and family. >> I'll get just under this in scrap value. I'm sorry but I need the money more then I need this machine. >> >> Rob >> >> On Sep 16, 2012, at 9:35 PM, Tothwolf wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012, Robert Borsuk wrote: >>> >>>> I have a Sequent SE20 with Dynix installed. I also have the terminal to go with it. >>>> It use to boot but I didn't have the password. >>>> Any interst for $150 before I part it out. >>>> Located in New Baltimore, MI. 48047 or I can make it available in Port Huron, MI. 48060 >>>> >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> Quick pic at : http://www.borsuk.info/ebay/sequent.jpg >>> >>> Part out a Sequent SE20? You are kidding, right? As uncommon as these are, parting one out would be very ill-advised and there would be nearly no demand for individual parts. If freight wouldn't be a deal killer, I'd be after this one myself, but I'm nowhere near there and these things are heavy. I generally hunt for older Unix systems for free/open source software porting work, and one of the target platforms I've never been able to test with is Dynix. >>> >> >> Robert Borsuk >> rborsuk at colourfull.com >> >> Colourfull Creations >> http://www.colourfull.com >> >> >> >> > Robert Borsuk rborsuk at colourfull.com Colourfull Creations http://www.colourfull.com

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No subject

by julian＠jnt.me.uk

On 16/09/2012 00:09, Dave wrote: Well that's three so far... > >Dave Wade G4UGM >Illegitimi Non Carborundum > >Make that four... Julian.

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Meeting for Enthusiasts in the Manchester (UK) Area?

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

Recently I was talking with a couple of people in the Manchester area who like to collect classic computers. It occurred to me that there may be enough of us in the area to warrant organising a regular meeting to talk about what we are all up to. It would be a totally informal format, just a chance to talk to fellow enthusiasts, maybe get some ideas, or pass on experiences etc. We all lead busy lives, so my thought is to make it say once every two months, either at a pub in central Manchester, or perhaps at some location near an exit on the M60. Is anyone interested in this idea? Regards Rob

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Official Spring cleaning sale

by dm561＠torfree.net

----- Original Message: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 08:01:00 -0500 From: John Foust <jfoust at threedee.com> At 05:07 PM 4/15/2012, David Riley wrote: >On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Steven Landon wrote: > >> <loads of crap> > How can this fellow continue scamming, year after year? > - John Well, as he gets banned from one forum/list after another, he just moves on to the next; looks like he's found a home here at last... To his credit some people have apparently bought from him with no issues, but I'd still be wondering if any of the stuff he's flogging now is part of the loot he stole from fellow hobbyists in his prime...

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Sequent SE20 any interest?

by tothwolf＠concentric.net

On Sun, 16 Sep 2012, Robert Borsuk wrote: > On Sep 16, 2012, at 9:35 PM, Tothwolf wrote: >> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012, Robert Borsuk wrote: >> >>> I have a Sequent SE20 with Dynix installed. I also have the terminal to go with it. >>> It use to boot but I didn't have the password. >>> Any interst for $150 before I part it out. >>> Located in New Baltimore, MI. 48047 or I can make it available in Port Huron, MI. 48060 >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> Quick pic at : http://www.borsuk.info/ebay/sequent.jpg >> >> Part out a Sequent SE20? You are kidding, right? As uncommon as these >> are, parting one out would be very ill-advised and there would be >> nearly no demand for individual parts. If freight wouldn't be a deal >> killer, I'd be after this one myself, but I'm nowhere near there and >> these things are heavy. I generally hunt for older Unix systems for >> free/open source software porting work, and one of the target platforms >> I've never been able to test with is Dynix. > > I'm not going to part it out to sell, I'm going to scrap it. I've had this for a couple of years and now I'm offering it to the list. > I'm not breaking the bank at $150 but I've been out of work for 6 months and I need to make sure I have money for my bills and family. > I'll get just under this in scrap value. I'm sorry but I need the money more then I need this machine. > > Rob http://www.savetoby.com/

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PCMCIA bus creation/controller

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

if you wanted to add PCMCIA capability to something resembling an ISA slot (but different in many ways, particularly the form factor), what would be the best way to go about this? Obviously many micro controllers have this built in (I would think). I'm looking for something quick and dirty. Off the top of your head. I'm reading into this, but it doesn't hurt to ask. I took apart an HP Jornada VGA adapter (PCMCIA > VGA out) for connecting to an external monitor. There's very little in there. There's a Trident chip (9440-3), 2 memory chips, a couple of other chips (glue of some sort I guess) and passive components. It's the closest thing I've seen to a VGA on a chip solution (I haven't looked, but it's pretty close). Therefore I need to either hack the PCMCIA interface to get it to work w/say a Tandy 2000 bus (or another 8086/80186 based computer). Or create a PCMCIA interface on a card to plug the pc card into, which kind of seems like the long way, but might turn out to being the easier solution. You tell me. Keep in mind I don't need the hot swapping capability or card services stack (can a card function w/o them?). Initially it was designed to add memory. I'm thinking all the rest of the gobligook came along after they realized people might want to add the kitchen sink to laptops and handhelds. 16 bit capability is of course adequate. I imagine I'll have to right a device driver. ISA PCMCIA adapters are mondo pricey on eBay. Icarumba.

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Restoring an ASR33 Teletype

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

I have managed to obtain an ASR33 Teletype and have started taking a look at it. I have found various manuals and I am starting to go through them. I have partially dismantled it to clean it up a bit. The typing unit seems to be in fairly good condition, but the paper tape punch looks like it needs work. I'd like to check if the machine is basically healthy and just in need of lubrication or if it needs to be completely stripped down (which is a daunting prospect), are there some simple tests I can do on it without applying power? Thanks Rob

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Microsoft cordless phone

by jonas＠otter.se

On 2012-09-17 19:00, cctech-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > telephones. And doesn't England still have coin-op residential > >electrical service? When I heard this referred to on an old When I was a kid, one of my uncles lived in a council house outside Nottingham. They had a coin-operated gas meter. No central heating and only single glazing, of course, after all this was an English house built sometime not too long after the war ;-). Eventually they were not allowed coal fires either (probably after the Clean Air Act of 1968) so then if you wanted to be warm as well as fed you needed the gas. I think the electricity meter was coin operated as well. Council estates were built to provide housing for the working class. My uncle was reasonably well off, being a civil servant with the local council, but some of the neighbours definitely were not, one saw gardens with uncut grass, full of broken toys and with really unwashed children in, the mother coming out in an nightgown and slippers with a cigarette in her mouth. The reason for the coin operated meters was pretty obvious, just getting the rent paid by those particular neighbours was probably not easy. And I had to learn to count in (rarely pounds) shillings and pence to get by :-) /Jonas

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Items free for pickup; Iowa

by jplist2008＠kiwigeek.com

Greetings; I need to make Space and I've got a random assortment of things I've either never turned on, or not messed with in many years. Free for pickup (I'd really prefer not to box them up) from 50441: IBM 5324 w/keyboard and monitor I've never powered this on and the drive knobs were snapped off prior to my receiving it. My understanding is this is a binary compatible System/34 in baby shoes, but I might be full of it. AS/400 9402 F02 I last powered this on maybe eight years ago. It booted, but I haven't touched it since. HP NetServers 4d/66LM 5/60LM Six drives between them - they should be working IBM Series/1 in rack Someone gutted this before I got it - I have an 8" FDD and the logic cage with the controllers panel. Someone removed the power supply, but I have no reason to believe any of the logic boards were damaged. The hard disk was also taken to pieces, so I have the rack tray and, presumably, the controller in the logic cage, but not the disk itself. Given how long I've had them, I stress "as-is". Lemme know if you're interested; - JP Hampton, Iowa

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VCF Midwest attendee from Minneapolis/St Paul?

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

Is anyone driving in from the Twin Cities for VCF MW next week? If you are and you have room to take a box or two of vintage gear back with you, please contact me off list. Thanks, Jack Rubin

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OK, Who's bidding against me?

by barythrin＠gmail.com

Better yet bid *their* max. That's really the winning factor, right? J/k Actually I had similar lack of luck trying to find Microsoft Adventure. Lost I think 3 of them to the same anonymous bidder. If you're there shoot me a note ;-) I know ya don't need all uvem.

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OK, Who's bidding against me?

by robert＠irrelevant.com

Oh I hate snipers... However, somebody is having a laugh with me ... over the last few months there's been a "Preview data systems" custom-branded Tandata TD1616 (a home viewdata terminal) appear three times now, and everytime I've been outbid. At around ?6, ?12 and ?21. The first two times are definitely the same item, the last one looks like it could be, cleaned up a little. I've not got one of these branded ones, so increased my max each time, and still keep getting sniped! Has there been a sudden re-resurgence of interest in all things viewdata? Until recently, I'd win similar items unopposed at opening bid, even 99p.. Have I succeeded in getting people interested in this obsolete form of online system again? (I guess that would be good if it were true..) -- Rob www.viewdata.org.uk

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Selenar Graphics II (Was: DECWriter II LA36 being given away)

by rickb＠bensene.com

I was the one that was able to snag the LA-36 DECWriter II that Corey Anderson had rescued from being scrapped. Thanks, Corey, I really appreciate it! I had a great time chatting about the "old days" with Corey when I visited his home to pick up the LA-36. I intend to use this as the console terminal for my PDP 11/34 system. It's a lot more appropriate than the Heathkit H19 currently serving that purpose. I got the LA-36 home on Sunday, but didn't have time to do much with it until yesterday. I did a basic cleaning -- getting rid of dust and cobwebs. In general the terminal was in pretty good shape, and despite some dust and spider leftovers, it was quite clean inside. One of the first things I noticed was that the main controller board looked different than I expected, and on closer inspection, I saw that it wasn't a DEC board. It said "SELANAR CORP." and "GRAPHICS II" in silkscreen on the board. There are sockets for eight 2708 EPROMs, of which 6 are filled (I was worried that some were missing because of the empty sockets), with round stickers over the windows that say "SELANAR". There are three sockets for some kind of RAM (haven't identified it yet), of which only one socket is filled. There appear to be two processors, one made by Western Digital, and another made by Fairchild. Both appear to have onboard EPROM, as they have windows on them that are painted over with a thick black paint. I checked all of the fuses, and they were good. I unplugged everything >from the control board (keyboard connector, printhead drive, carriage drive stepper, pin-feed drive stepper), serial connector, and a couple of power connectors, and powered up the power supply, and found that all of the voltages were good, with minimum ripple. I did a close visual on the controller board, and it looked good...no debris or signs of overheating/blown components. I also checked out the solenoid and stepper driver board, and it also looked good. I wiped down the carriage rail to remove dust and grime, and then oiled it lightly. The carriage moved smoothly in both directions, but the ribbon advance mechanism seemed a bit gummed up, which I figured I could address later, since the ribbon is all dried out anyway. I plugged all of the connectors back in, and put some paper in it, then used a variac to slowly power it up. It didn't appear to like being slowly powered up, as the steppers got all wonky - but, I didn't get any smoke, so I quickly ramped the power back down, plugged the DECWriter directly into mains, and powered it up with the power switch. The carriage went left until it hit the stop with a bang...and sat there with the stepper humming for a nervous 3/4 or so second, then the carriage moved to the right a bit, and things got quiet (other than the hum of the power supply). I set the machine to local mode, and hit a key, and the pins hit the ribbon/paper, and the printhead moved to the next print location. After a familiar delay, the printhead moved to the right to allow the character (which was invisible because of the bad ribbon) to be seen. I typed all of the characters on the keyboard, and everything seems to work -- linefeed, carriage return, backspace, space, repeat, bell(^G), etc. So, the unit appears to be in good shape, though I don't know if the characters print correctly until I can find a ribbon for it. I'm quite happy that it seems to be generally alive. Now, on to the point of my posting: Does anyone know anything about Selanar's Graphics II board for the LA-36? BitSavers doesn't have anything that I could find. Google nets old ads and product announcements in trade rags of the day (1982-ish). Selanar also made graphics engine boards for VT100's, Televideo 950's, and various other printing and display terminals. One advertisement I saw showed an LA-36 that had a pretty printout of a Spirograph-like drawing. I would love to find some documentation on how the graphics work. I found some information relating to FORTRAN libraries that provided routines for "MOVE", "DRAW", and various other graphics primitives, but no real documentation. I'd love to find an operator's guide or a programming guide to figure out how to make the graphics work. I plan on pulling the ROMs and dumping them, and passing them to BitSavers. Anyone out there have any information on this thing that they could share? I'm going to do some more cleanup, test the serial port to see if it works, and track down a ribbon for it (I have a lot of calculator ribbons that I may put onto the spools for the DECWriter just as a temporary measure). The serial cable has had the connector cut off, so I'll have to figure out the pinout and put a connector on the end. Plenty of stuff to keep me busy. There is a DB-25F connector on the Selanar board that isn't plugged into anything. I'm wondering what it might be for, so I may hook a terminal up to it and see if I can get any kind of response from it. Hopefully someone out there will have some docs for this thing that can eliminate the mysteries of this relic. Thanks, Rick Bensene

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Microsoft cordless phone

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

thats so funny. I hope Ill eventually remembes who I was conversing with, or even when it was, but was told that phone companies should have been way ahead. After all a computer is just a bunch of switches (one of the best definitions of a computer imho, albeit informal, for those with a smattering of electronics knowledge). ------------------------------ On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:34 PM PDT Chuck Guzis wrote: >On 14 Sep 2012 at 21:08, William Donzelli wrote: > >> It seems that every good sized computer company explores the telephone >> market, and many actually bring some sort of product to market, mostly >> leading to disaster. USR, IBM, and Data General all come to mind. > >IBM did pretty well with their acquisition of Rolm. I still have a >Rolm frisbee for playing with the dogs. > >OTOH, telephone companies didn't do all that well in the computer >business. > >--Chuck >

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Fwd: Paper for Decwriter

by rborsuk＠colourfull.com

Hi All, Please contact Mike directly at mta at umich.edu. He was nice enough to offer it to me but I have several stacks already. I think there's a couple of people on the list who get out to the Ann Arbor, MI. area. Thanks Rob Begin forwarded message: > From: Mike Alexander <mta at umich.edu> > Date: September 15, 2012 7:14:03 PM EDT > To: Robert Borsuk <rborsuk at colourfull.com> > Subject: Paper for Decwriter > > I found a large stack of fanfold paper suitable for use in the Decwriter you got from me. It's normal 1403 fanfold paper that has been printed on one side. There are several hundred sheets in one continuous fanfold which I intendedto use in the Decwriter by printing on the reverse side. If you will be in Ann Arbor anytime soon and want it you can have it, otherwise I'll recycle it. I'll be around next week and then unavailable until the middle of October. It's probably not worth mailing it, although I could do so, I suppose. > > Mike > Robert Borsuk rborsuk at colourfull.com Colourfull Creations http://www.colourfull.com

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WTB ATT Picturephones or Stromberg Carson VISTAPHONE

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

WTB ATT Picture phones or Stromberg Carson VISTAPHONE reply off list to _couryhouse at aol.com_ (mailto:couryhouse at aol.com) and cc _info at smecc.org_ (mailto:info at smecc.org) Thanks Ed!

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Cipher "Quarterback" capstan diameter

by derschjo＠gmail.com

Hey all -- Anyone know the appropriate diameter for the rubber capstan wheel in a Cipher Quarterback tape drive (model F420-90)? This is an old 20mb drive used in Sun-2/120 workstations. Someone's gone through the trouble of removing the sticky tar of the old wheel but I have no idea what to replace it with. Thanks as always, Josh

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Sequent SE20 any interest?

by rborsuk＠colourfull.com

I have a Sequent SE20 with Dynix installed. I also have the terminal to go with it. It use to boot but I didn't have the password. Any interst for $150 before I part it out. Located in New Baltimore, MI. 48047 or I can make it available in Port Huron, MI. 48060 Rob Quick pic at : http://www.borsuk.info/ebay/sequent.jpg Robert Borsuk rborsuk at colourfull.com Colourfull Creations http://www.colourfull.com

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TMS320C20 C-compiler?

by holm＠freibergnet.de

Hi, a friend from our german Robotron comuter Forum gave me an U320C20 Chip that was made in the former GDR bei ZMD Dresden. It is a copy of the TMS320C20. I got that Chip to do something with it, not to display it somewhere. Maybe I can build a wirewrap board with it, but I want to program the firmware in C. Now I'm searching for an C Compiler that supports it, gcc does'nt unfortunately, there is some support for the TMS320C3x and 320C4x Processors which are floating point variants, the C20 is a Integer processor w/o fp. I know that there must be at least a TI C Cross-Compiler has existed for Dos, Solaris and other OS. Has someone a usable copy from such a thing? Kind Regards, Holm PS: this is for notalgia purposes only... -- Technik Service u. Handel Tiffe, www.tsht.de, Holm Tiffe, Freiberger Stra?e 42, 09600 Obersch?na, USt-Id: DE253710583 www.tsht.de, info at tsht.de, Fax +49 3731 74200, Mobil: 0172 8790 741

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ebay: Apollo 68030 motherboard?

by legalize＠xmission.com

<http://www.ebay.com/itm/180935524789> FYI -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" free book <http://tinyurl.com/d3d-pipeline> The Computer Graphics Museum <http://computergraphicsmuseum.org> The Terminals Wiki <http://terminals.classiccmp.org> Legalize Adulthood! (my blog) <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>

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Items for sale, Portland Or. area pickup for Sunday, Monday.

by jimpdavis＠gorge.net

Hi, I have the follow equipment that can be picked up in Portland Or. (Aloha) Sunday afternoon till Monday evening. All gear works unless otherwise stated. $200 - HP 9000/300 with 68030 / 68881, monitor and HPIL keyboard. Includes 2 X one meg RAM PN 98257 and spare 68K card. $100 - Tandy Model 4, 2 drives, Video problems when second drive installed? Works otherwise - OBO $100 - Tektronix 4662 flatbed plotter, serial and GPIB. Joystick pots need cleaning, drifts slightly when jogged and released. $500 - Alpha Micro Mini LSI Card cage, Power supply, Front panel, CPU, 64 K RAM, TTY I/O option, 3'rd party I/O card, extender. Machine missing power cable from fuse to power supply - 9 Pin molex, no fans in fan cage, one ram chip de-lidded but part is available. Condition unknown, Worked in 1985 before fans stolen and power cable lost Best offer: Kaypro 2 - powers up, no software Sanyo MBC-1000, external floppy. Powers up, couldn't get it to boot with disks I have. Stuff I want to get rid of before the rains start - Must pick up in Goldendale Wa. Pallet of 12 Apple Macs - 68K and powerPC. keyboards, monitors, all-in-ones, - contact if interested, Contact off-list if interested. -jim

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bad disks

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

you've done what you could. The data seems irretrievable. Theoretically is it possibly to retrieve bits via optical means? Is it practical?

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Origins of term "laptop" computer, and absurdity of "first"

by evan＠snarc.net

>> each person has their own qualifiers. You reject "laptop" as a definition if it requires a cord. Mine is right. :) >> SOME people reject anything that they hadn't heard of. Sounds like this list... In 2005 Toshiba announced the 20th anniversary of when they invented the laptop. When pressed, they claimed theirs was the "first" with a 286 (who knows), and that clearly a laptop is only a laptop if it's got a 286 or newer.

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Microsoft cordless phone

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

I used to have 1/2 of one. Not the handset but the cradle and box. I tossed it. What would the whole thing have been worth? Nothing on eBay right now.

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by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

lol Fred actually bought one to use (I guess well have to allow for it being a gift. Suuuuuure). THEN he calls the Microsloth help desk. And let the record reflect my invention of that term. And yes I am quite sure... ------------------------------ On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 6:30 PM PDT Fred Cisin wrote: >On Fri, 14 Sep 2012, Curt @ Atari Museum wrote: >> Never even heard of it before... so they killed I with that one model? >yes >> No 2.4ghz or higher models later on? >no > >it was one of the early ordinary cordless phones with the base cradle >connected to a computer. "Do not use a portable or laptop computer." >It saved the caller ID data. It claimed to have a TTY/TDD cpability, but >nobody at MICROS~1 "tech support" could tell me how to open a TTY window, >with any more detail than reading aloud from the list of features: "It >says right here, 'Can do TDD communication'. We'll get back to you." > >

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anyone (still) going to the MIT Flea Market?

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

you dont find oodles of vintage stuff anywhere. You may chance upon something at the Flea. Its been five years for me, 10-12 prior that. It never blew my socks off. There were a few guys with machinery last time, which always lights my fire. ------------------------------ On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 5:07 PM PDT Sam O'nella wrote: >Nah, I down South in an area that you would THINK would have lots of neat >tech findings but it's mostly new tech here and a lack of vintage.

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anyone (still) going to the MIT Flea Market?

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

the crowd can emgage in whatever famtastical notions they wish Dave. All I know is the stuff I pine for is very hard to find. ------------------------------ On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 6:40 PM PDT Dave McGuire wrote: >On 09/14/2012 08:46 PM, Chris Tofu wrote: >> you dont find oodles of vintage stuff anywhere. You may chance upon >> something at the Flea. Its been five years for me, 10-12 prior that. > > Heh. If you listen to this crowd, PDP-11s and ASR33s can be found in >any dumpster or on any street corner anytime, and nobody should ever pay >more than a dollar or two for one. ;) > > -Dave > >-- >Dave McGuire, AK4HZ >New Kensington, PA

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Origins of term "laptop" computer

by tom94022＠comcast.net

FWIW, US Pat 5,268,816 filed Sept 28, 1982 uses the term ?laptop computers? throughout the specification but not in the claims.? The next usage (lap-top) was filed July 3, 1986 (4,788,658). A search of a newspaper archive finds the earliest usage of "laptop computer" in print in a Jan 1985 Knight Ridder column by Evelyn Richards ??84 computer predictions go awry,? which ended with the following paragraph. "They predict among other things a lap-top computer (dubbed Clamshell) from IBM ? Google News? earliest hits are ?lap top? in 1986. IEEE Xplore has its first hit a September 1986 Computer Magazine Ad for an add on "lOM-byte internal hard disk for Zenith Data Systems' Z-171 laptop computer.." The NY Times' first used it in Peter Lewis' column on Nov 5, 1985, as "THE Tandy Corporation has introduced a new portable computer, the Model 600. The designation might lead someone to suspect that the Model 600 is six times better than the Tandy Model 100, which is a delightful little laptop computer and one of the best bargains around for reporters, salesmen and others who need to take a briefcase-sized office along with them when they hit the road." Anyone have any earlier published dates? Tom

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Roytron paper tape reader/punch - Seattle area, free if you collect.

by glen.slick＠gmail.com

Anyone interested in a Roytron paper tape reader/punch? Looks like this one, but definitely in used condition, not like the new looking one pictured here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/200712902556 Working condition unknown. Was military surplus (govliquidation). No documentation. Manuals here may or may not apply to some of the mechanical or electrical components in this model: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/roytron/ Free to a good home only if you collect in the Seattle (eastside) area. Reply off list if interested. -Glen

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Osborne Battery (Was: Re: Origins of term "laptop" computer)

by feldman.r＠comcast.net

>Message: 12 >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 22:45:50 -0400 >From: "Evan Koblentz" < evan at snarc.net > > >>>>> On the Osborne 1, Lee Felsenstein designed in a connector for >external battery power! When queried about how large the battery >would be, Lee > >>> Measuring mine (including case), it's about 155mm wide x 115mm deep x >190mm high > >Then it must be a prototype, or custom-made, or unauthorized, because Lee >himself told me Osborne never made a battery, and that there was a deal in >the works to authorize an aftermarket battery, but the deal fell through. I bought it new at a Computerland in Chicago, IIRC. I'll have to see if I still have the receipt for it.There is no logo on the battery carry case, but there is the Osborne Computer logo on the DC-to-AC converter. The wall wart for the charger was made by Gould. Bob

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anyone (still) going to the MIT Flea Market?

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

arent you on the west coast? What is that piddly event compared to the amount of tech out there?? You may be able to find a few more jumbo culture bottles at the Flea. Used but steam cleaned! ------------------------------ On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 2:41 PM PDT Sam O'nella wrote: >Sounds awesome. Would certainly go if it was a local event.

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Seeking ASCII keyboard for Wyse 99gt or similar terminal

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

Somehow the keyboard to my Wyse 99gt serial terminal has gone missing. Does anyone here have a US ASCII keyboard compatible with this terminal? Compatibles include WY-50, WY-55, WY-60, WY-99GT, WY-120, WY-150, WY-160, WY-325, WY-370 -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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anyone (still) going to the MIT Flea Market?

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

it's this Sunday. I am tempted.

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Interested in a PDP

by wackyvorlon＠me.com

I've been wanting a PDP for some time now. I don't really have any particular model in mind, but my budget has an upper limit of about $1000. Any recommendations on where to look and what to look for? -------- Paul Anderson -- VE3HOP

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looking for an Apricot F1 or F1e

by rampaginggreenhulk＠yahoo.com

preferably an F1. I actually hate many English computers, being they used a lot of ASICs earlier then us Yanks did (seemingly. My Nimbus motherboard has all sorts of horrid crap on it). But it's too cute to pass up.

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UNIVAC model

by elson＠pico-systems.com

> From: Toby Thain <toby at telegraphics.com.au> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: UNIVAC model > Message-ID: <50532689.4000205 at telegraphics.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 14/09/12 12:16 AM, jimpdavis wrote: > >> Adrian Stoness wrote: >> >>> wow... makes me really wonder what i should be insuring this phillips >>> model >>> >>> Wow, that is an amazing find. Rare? My guess is this was a complete one-off made by the model shop for display at a trade show or maybe to sit in a glass case in the corporate lobby. Jon

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Radio Shack 20 In 1 Electroncs Set

by mrosati＠suffolk.lib.ny.us

Hi: I happened to see your posting regarding a search for old Radio Shack Modules. I am just curious if you ever came across the manual for the 20 in 1 Electronics Set (28-245). I happen to have the kit but lost the manual. I have a young son that took an interest in electronics and would love to show him what I had when I was his age. Electronic copy would be fine. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Louis Rosati

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Origins of term "laptop" computer was Re: Bill Moggridge

by evan＠snarc.net

>>>> On the Osborne 1, Lee Felsenstein designed in a connector for external battery power! When queried about how large the battery would be, Lee >>> Measuring mine (including case), it's about 155mm wide x 115mm deep x 190mm high Then it must be a prototype, or custom-made, or unauthorized, because Lee himself told me Osborne never made a battery, and that there was a deal in the works to authorize an aftermarket battery, but the deal fell through.

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Bill Moggridge died

by evan＠snarc.net

It's been in the news this weekend -- Bill Moggridge, credited as the designer of the "clamshell" shape for laptop computers, died. I agree that Moggridge did important work for the Grid Compass, circa 1982. His design may indeed have been the first of its kind, although I'd be curious to see any examples of prior art. But, I strongly disagree with all the reports calling the Compass a "laptop" computer. I don't mean that as mere semantics: a vital definition of a laptop isn't just a flat lap-sized computer, but rather a flat lap-sized computer with its own power source. Compass users had no choice but to plug into wall power. So the Compass may have been the first clamshell * computer * but it's not a laptop.

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