- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by BigLouS＠aol.com

Didn't Steve Ciarcia put out a book in the early eighties on building a Z80 based system? I seem to recall using it as a reference when I was soldering together my Xerox 820 motherboard. Unfortunately I purged my Z80 6502 book collection years ago. :-( Lou P.S. It wasn't the MicroMint machine, that was later on.

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What a weekend...

by COAKLEY＠AC.GRIN.EDU

> The sticker has been ripped off but there is a number imprinted inside > that says 1016. I'm guessing that might be the model number for a 16k > module for the T/S 1000? That, at least, I can confirm. Just got one today. -- Ben Coakley CBEL: Xavier coakley(a)ac.grin.edu It's hard to find the words to say you don't give a damn - Freakwater Classic games and a zine at http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley

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TO: susan m. johnson

by jott＠maddog.ee.nd.edu

Hello - Thanks for the reply on wordstar. What is your email address? You forgot to include your email address in your message. I don't want to waste everyone time on wordstar. John Ott ott(a)saturn.ee.nd.edu

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more aquisitions

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

Well, seems I've been busy as ever picking stuff up. Not only am I currently awaiting the arrival of an Apple II+, including a number of goodies, but last night I went to my two favorite thrift stores and picked up a couple of things. The first is a beige TI-99/4A. I hadn't originally planned on getting another 4A since I have a silver/black one with PEBox sitting here, but at $3, I couldn't pass it up. It's a nice looking machine, and seems to work fine. The only problem is that it is missing the 'apha lock' keycap. Hopefully I'll be able to locate one eventually. I got this at the same store I picked up the other PEBox at a month or so ago. This means I've bought a complete TI-99/4A with PEBox from them, both functional, for a total of $8! The other major thing I picked up was an AST SixPackPlus RAM and I/O board for a PC-XT. I picked this up, populated with 256k, for $10 hoping to be able to use it with the IBM 5155 to increase it's memory, as well as add the I/O ports to it. The 5155 may have all eight expansion slots, but after the built-in video and disk controller use two, that only leaves one left usable due to the length of the others behind the disk drives. After some moving around, I finally got the full length AST board installed and it worked like a champ. Now I have a full 512k plus serial and parallel I/O on the 5155! Does anyone know where I might find the clock utility for the oboard battery-backed clock on this board? That's my haul for the day...the only other things I picked up were cartridges for the C-64: Hes Mon-64 and PitFall. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System, Commodore C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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Home Made Computers

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 10-May-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >Just a quickie.... >Have any of you guys ever made your own computers? >This is someting I have been thinking of doing but really don't know where >to start. It doesn't have to be fancy (something with a 8088 or Z80 or >6502 would be fine) So does anyone have any "plans" to make one? There was a book published in the early to mid 80's sometime which went into quite exact detail on designing and building an 8bit microcomputer, using the Z80 I believe. Unfortunately, I don't recall the exact name, and my copy of it was lost years ago. I believe it was something like "Building Your Own Microcomputer" and I thought it was a fascinating book. Anyone else recall this book? Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System, Commodore C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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Preserve the other stuff as well Was: Re: yo

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 09-May-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >Well, as long as we're bragging about out systems, >on my PC I have the following hardware: Actually Tim, I wasn't bragging at all. I was just outlining the system to help illustrate the point being made. Most of my posts to this list tend to be questions since I don't have anywhere near the knowledge that you or Sam or many others seem to, since most of my 8bit experience was with the Timex-Sinclair 1000 and a cassette-based TRS-80 Model III. In fact, it was a full 5 years after getting the T/S-1000 in 1982 before I was able to afford a better system, and it ended up being a Tandy 1000HX in 1987. My interest in these systems is from the standpoint that I'm finally getting the chance to fool with ones I kept reading about, but was never able to buy or use. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System, Commodore C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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Stuff I found, BYTE, collecting, TRON info, Ohio Scientific, etc.

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Serves me right for not keeping on top of the list now I have to scan back a few issues and reply to stuff.. :/ But first off I'll add to the 'what I got' discussion: 2 more Atari 800s (folks must be really unloading them, these were $6.00, nut it was Sat, so 1/2 price) both seem to work, GTIA and 48k, no carts in the cart slots though, and (sigh) no power suppllies to be found either. Another place, nine Atari cartridges (no computers to be seen at the store though), all 25 cents each except for the Star Trek S.O.S. which was 45 cents (Not really enthused about it even on the Atari.) But I did get Star Raiders, (yea!) I played the game only once or twice umpteen years back, and it still holds the appeal. Others are Computer Chess, Atari Basic (Rev A), Missile Command (was really impressed by the translation to 8-bit on this), Super Breakout (now, where are all my paddle controllers...), Pac Man, Space Invaders, and Centipede. Makes time fly faster when you don't have a disk drive running (or disks). Been passing up an Exidy Sorceror (checking the net it seems information on it is pretty hard to come by.) $5.00, seems to have been modified with a different power supply (that sticks out the back and has a rather agressive looking heat sink (no to mention the 2" stilts added to the bottom of it) Just saw five Channel F Games ($2.00 each), bowling, target shoot, some breakout clone, card game, and something else that escapes memory, all in original boxes. If those of you are TRULY interested in paying cost plus shipping for any of this stuff, I'll get them next go-around if they are still here. -- Now back to previous messages: > From: Doug Spence <ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca> > Subject: Re: PET to S100 bus interface > On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Glenn Roberts wrote: >> fyi, on p. 272 of November '79 Byte: a company called AB Computers offered >> a device called "BETSI", described as a "PET to S-100 Interface & >> Motherboard". cost was $119.... > Thanks for the info! I guess it was a fairly common type of device, then. > I wonder if there are also IBM-PC to S100 interfaces? I think advertising was cheaper then, cause there was alot of goodies that were advertised and I haven't seen all too much of it. ----- From: Captain Napalm <spc(a)armigeron.com> Subject: Re: BYTE Magazines > While I haven't read a Byte magazine in several years, (since the early 90s), > those that I have seen I tend to group into three catagories: > 1. Hobby Era (start of publication to late 83/early 84) These are the best ones, back then BYTE called themselves 'The Small Systems Journal' and everything was worth writing about. > 2. Journal Era (early 84 to late 87/early 88) Trying to be a programmer's/EE resource it seemed to me... Kinda forgot the hobbiests. started to cater to the IBM clone market. > 3. PC Rag Era (early 88 through the 90s) Saw one just the other day, they now have under BYTE: "The Global Authority of Computer Technology" They had their heyday as 'fat IBM magazine,' and are now struggling for an identity again. > My own collection of Byte starts with August of 85 (Amiga 1000 is the >cover story) and ends somewhere in late 89 or early 90. The library at the >university I attended had issues starting from Jan '77 (which I read 8-). >The dates given here are approximate, looking at a Byte from 1980, then 1985 >then 1990 will show almost three different magazines. I have a handfull from the 70s, (maybe back to 75 or 76?) a few from the early 80s and avoided it once they dropped 8-bit information. ---- On starting a newsgroup: Sounds great to me, It would be alot easier to reply to the posts I am replying to, we (Diane and I) get alot of mail as it is and I don't really want to un-digest the list. ---- On Sun, 4 May 1997, Robert Kirk Scott wrote: > I also have begun focusing on the accessories, especially if they are > mint or near it. To me a good user's manual, or a batch of original > software that is still usable is every bit as desirable as a fine old > machine. Mint? I myself collect to use the machines, I try to keep my books in decent shape but they are not even close to mint condition, nor do I consider the condition of something I buy for my collection, as long as it works, it provides information, or is interesting enough to warrant the cost and space it will take up, I'll buy it. Software and Books are a very important part of my collection, they take the computer beyond 'display peice' to actual usability and for me enjoyability. ----- From: Paul E Coad <pcoad(a)crl.com> Subject: Preserve the other stuff as well Was: Re: yo > So what's the point? Preserving the machines is good, but it is only > part of the picture. What is the good of preserving a machine if all > of "culture" that surrounds the machine is lost? So true, my collection is from late 70s through 80s and I try to get a variety of stuff associated with it, fortunately I have disovered old cataloga, price lists and ads beyond the ones in the magazines, and at times I get lucky to find more in the stuff that I get/buy. (a recent quest has been for a good copy of the Pac Man Fever LP, finally got a scratched one...) I would love to get video recordings of the Commodore VIC-20 and 64 commercials (Eveybody now, "I adore my 64, my Commodore 64!") ----- TRON & Last Starfighter... Imaging systems. Being a TRON & Last Starfighter fan, Lemme check my resources... TRON effects were done by different groups, the most notable being MAGI (Mathimatical Applications Group, Inc.) who had just recently created the ray-tracing technique (called SythaVision at the time) for visualizing objects. The other was Triple III. MAGI (ray-tracing) was responsible for the effects up to the Solar sailer, after that it was Triple I (traditional polygon 3-d) who had most of the work for the sailer, MCP, etc. Alot of the work was done on the MAGI computers (in New York) via a Chomatics 9000 terminal. (Well CineFex didn't shed light on the computers themselves...) Ahh my TRON Collector's Edition Book has computers listed! MAGI used a Perkin Elmer System 3420 Computer which features 2 MB RAM and 2 80 MB hard drives and talks to a Celco CFR 4000 computer which is used to generate the pictures onto a monitor (I am quoting here, sounds strange) Triple I uses a Foonley F-I for handling the frame-by frame calculations and the pictures are generated on a PFR recorder... Last Starfighter: Done by Digital Productions which had use of a Cray 1/S and a Cray X-MP Encoding of the gunstars, wire frame previewing and such were on a VAX 11/782. When final animation was generated the Cray X-MP did the job as the VAX could only generate one frame in 16 hours and the Cray could crank one out in 2.5 minutes. The film contained 36,000 frames of imagery. ------- (RE: Patriot Games Effects) > Hardly. I don't know of an operating system that yanks the file contents off > of your screen when someone else on the network deletes them. If I Delete files from someones shared hard drive on a Mac network they'll see the folders and icons dissapear. ------ > Well, something tells me that the cost of the LCD display, however high > it was, would have been peanuts in the prop and special effects budget. Alot of companies deal in product placement (Apple especially) where they are more than happy to loan (or even pay to loan) a movie company some equipment for the background and/or prop in a film. The more their computers are seen being somewhere, or even better, being used the better for sales! Ever see the movie Cloak and Dagger? Atari had quite a product placement hand in that one! If only I had known it was so rare, about a year ago I came across a ][c with the LCD at a thrift store... I can't remember the price though, but usually the stuff they sell is reasonable. ------ From: SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com Subject: Ohio Scientific, anyone? > I thought i'd post about a machine which certainly qualifies to be classic, > an ohio scientific challenger C1P of which i know nothing about. i did get > some extensive documentation with it including a presale brochure, some > photocopied machine language programs, the original reciept dated 20jun1980 > for $425, some info about a d&n micro card which i also got, instructions for > eprom burner software, basic ref manual, and some highly technical info and > board schematics. My brother had an interest in getting a Challenger (no money though), as I remember, there is the Challenger 1P, 2P, 4P, and 8P (8P being big boxes, the rest are within the keyboard enclosure). My brother was interested in the features of the 4P (Of which I can hardly recall, except the graphics set was kinda neat.). ------ Larry Anderson -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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yo

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 06-May-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >Jay is certainly important, but I'd hesitate at saying he was as >influential as someone like Gary Kildall, Steve Wozniak, or Chuck Peddle. >As much as I love all of the things Jay Miner gave us, there aren't that >many people who were actually aware of his machines, let alone the man >himself. No, he didn't influence a whole 'generation' of computer hobbyist the way CP/M did and such, but he certainly did some interesting things with the hardware! Unfortunately, another computer great that has since passed away. >> >> Out of curiosity, is anyone willing to nominate Jack Tremiel? <sp?> >Uh... not me! But what about Sir Clive Sinclair, and that Tandy guy. :) Hmmmmmm...I can't quite think of the name of the head of Tandy that killed off so many of thier good ideas. They had some interesting machines...and sometimes even rather innovative. Too bad they tended to ship with a lot of the interesting stuff crippled. Sir Clive Sinclair on the other hand gave us the Sinclair series, so he couldn't be all bad. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System, Commodore C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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Replies to stuff...

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Doug Spence said: >> > Um... hold it... how are the 4116's arranged? You probably said, but of >> > course I can't go back into my mailbox to read that while I'm replying to >> > this one (I knew there was a reason I should my system to do this >> > locally!). If they're 16K by 4, then that certainly WOULD be more than >> > 8K. :) >> >> I think those are only 8kx1. I did look at my expandamem board and the >> chips with the plates on them had (c)Mostek written. > >Actually, I believe the quote you had in your other post said the 4116 was >16k bits... which would make my board 64K, which is too big without some >kind of bank switching scheme, isn't it? Ummmm... methinks your math might be a bit off. 16Kbits would be 2K bytes, so you'd have to have 32 chips on the board to get it to 64Kbytes... how many chips are there on the board? Hope this helps, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.

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PET to S100 bus interface

by groberts＠mitre.org

fyi, on p. 272 of November '79 Byte: a company called AB Computers offered a device called "BETSI", described as a "PET to S-100 Interface & Motherboard". cost was $119. While i'm on that page, the PET was $795 for the entry level system (8K, small keybd, cassette) and on the high end: $1,295 for 32K system with "business" keyboard. A 2040 dual diskette drive (343,000 bytes total) would set you back another $1,295. At 05:23 AM 4/29/97 -0400, you wrote: > >I'd just like to make an update for all who may be interested in that >potential PET to S100 bus device that I had sitting in storage. > >I pulled it out tonight instead of studying for exams, and it is indeed >what was suspected. > >The "motherboard" (if that is the correct term) is a Vector Graphic Inc. >S100 bus board. The RAM board that was being used for the PET, is a >Vector Graphic Inc. 16K Static RAM board with a date of 1977 on it. The >power supply says "KIMSI-PLUS Power Supply" on the back, 1977 from >Forethought Products. > >This is all very wild, because I had no idea there was S100 stuff in this >house. > >Anyway, the really interesting piece of circuitry is the PET to S100 >interface board. It's the same size as the RAM board, and of course plugs >into the S100 bus. At the top of the board is a 50-pin connector that >plugs into a cable, that in turn plugs into the side memory expansion >connector on the PET 2001. > >In white lettering, it says >.----------. >|_| | | |_|| >| | |_| | || (<-- my cheezy attempt at duplicating the company >.----------' logo with ASCII, it's HUH surrounded by a question >.ELECTRONICS mark.) > > S100 MPA > >and etched into the board it says "COPYRIGHT 1978 BY HUH" and "S100 MPA >REV A". > >The board isn't very heavily populated, compared to the RAM board, and >most of the chips are 74LSxx chips. > >Anyone out there know more than I do about this thing? > > >Doug Spence >ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca > > >

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movie computers (The List! )

by ekman＠lysator.liu.se

Captain Napalm wrote thus: > Now, to turn this back to an on-topic thread, the microcomputer used in > "War Games" was one of the last IMSAI's if I recall correctly. And does > anyone know what computers where used for the graphics in "Tron" and "The > Last Starfighter"? Tron was animated by hand. No computers were used, except where you actually see them on the screen. Since I am writing, I thought I might contribute this little piece to the thread: I watched a German soap opera about ten years ago. It was about some hospital and they had a computer, for storing the patient records, I assume. It was a C64, which would not have been impossible at the time, only someone obviously thought it didn't look cool enough just sitting there by itself, so they built it into a wooden panel and added some flashing lights and buttons. /Fredrik

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Help Identify Machine

by BigLouS＠aol.com

While prowling around a new thrift store today I came across what may be a computer or it may be a word processor. It had a keyboard, monitor and two 5 1/4" floppies housed in one unit with the floppies mounted vertically and to the right of the monitor, which I estimate was about 12"". The front of the unit was marked GBV( hope I remembered that correctly ) System 9. Does anyone know what it is? I checked the copy of THE LIST that I have and didn't find it. Thanks, Lou

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What a weekend...

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 12-May-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >Was it Memotech? they made all sorts of addons for the ZX81, hi-res >graphics cards, serial and parallel ports and RAM expansion up to, as >far as I can remember, 1Meg!!! BTW, is anyone interested in swapping any >UK Sinclair stuff for a TS1000 or TS2068. I'd love to get either of >these! I have a number of catalogs from Gladstone Electronics which show Memotech products, though none that offer memory expansion that large. They did offer some impressive add-ons for the Timex-Sinclair though! One of the more interesting things they list for Memotech is a real keyboard that plugs into the expansion port, but doesn't inhibit it's use for other addons. Real typewriter keys with atuo-repeat and it was buffered. It lists for $99.95. Your offer for trade for UK stuff makes me wish I had picked up an extra TS1000 a few months ago when I had the chance. I'd love to get my hands on some of the things that are common in the UK but rarely seen over here. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System, Commodore C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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re-found magazines

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 12-May-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >The other side of the coin, though, is the difficulty of converting >programs >to make them work on your computer. I remember spending a lot of time >in high school, trying to convert TRS-80 and Apple II programs to run on >my TI-99/4A. Fun? Yes. Would I want to do this under deadline pressure? >Probably not. I had a book about 1986 or so that crossreferenced the Basic commands of the popular home computers of the period, such as the Apple II, Commodore's, and the various TRS-80's. It was pretty interesting. I saw mention of a similar book being worked on now that was even greater in scope than this one. It is called something like 'Basref' or some such. I found a web page for it on the Web. That book certainly made the conversion of programs much easier though, even if you did at times need 4-5 statements on one machine to mimic something done on another. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System, Commodore C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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Home Made Computers

by KFergason＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-05-11 00:09:18 EDT, you write: << Yes, I believe it was published by TAD Books although I don't remeber the exact title, either. It was available at my local library. At the time I read it, I think I estimated it would cost about $1,000 altogether to build the computer. It would probably be a lot cheaper today. Seemed like a very good boook. >> Z-80 Microcomputer Design Projects, William Barden, Jr. $14.95, Howard Sams. published in 1980. describes a <10 chip single board computer. how much was a Z80 in 1980? KiloBaud Klassroom. by Peter Stark. describes a 6802 single board computer. seems like mostly reprints from the magazine column of the same name. 1982 The 8085 Cookbook. Build your own working computer. Tab books. uses the SC/MP. Build your own advanced computer. Tab books. uses the 9900, i believe. The Bugbooks. I can probably dig out several more which describe a single board system. None get into things such as disk drives, not that I recall anyway. Kelly

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WTB: Wordstar 3.31

by jott＠maddog.ee.nd.edu

Hello - I am looking for an original set of Wordstar 3.31 (running under DOS) disks with correctstar and mailmerge. I specifically need the printer support for a HP laserjet printer. Please email me with particulars, including price. Thanks. John Ott jott(a)saturn.ee.nd.edu

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Ohio Scientific, anyone?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I thought i'd post about a machine which certainly qualifies to be classic, an ohio scientific challenger C1P of which i know nothing about. i did get some extensive documentation with it including a presale brochure, some photocopied machine language programs, the original reciept dated 20jun1980 for $425, some info about a d&n micro card which i also got, instructions for eprom burner software, basic ref manual, and some highly technical info and board schematics. i also have several cassette tapes of software including an original adventure 0 copyright 1979 for a 24k apple and asteroids also. i also got several boards that i dont know about included. one seems to be a floppy controller and ram card from d&n micro products, two of them say osi model 502 and 527 and some others i cannot tell what they are. they all have circuit traces some missing some sockets and all are mising components so it seems like its part of a kit. anyone know about this model? it seems to be apple ][ compatible, but i havent bothered turning it on yet. heh, would be neat to find a floppy drive for it... david

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Osbourne Executive help

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 10-May-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >I had (and still have to some extent) the same problem on my Executive. I >managed >to mitigate the problem somewhat by replacing the 12 volt muffin fan with a >117 volt >fan in order to reduce the load on the power supply. The shimmering was >reduced, but >not eliminated. Gerald, Then would you say the power supply is getting weak? It looks like the fan in the back is a standard enough part...in fact, there's room there for a larger one, as the one installed isn't even as large as the grill opening. I'll try that though and see what happens. Thanks for the tip. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System, Commodore C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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Kaypro Corp. or Non-Linear Systems

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

A week or so ago, I recall seeing a post concerning questions about Kaypro and thier being called by which name. Unfortunately, I didn't respond to it as I wanted at the time, and procrastinated so long that now I can't find the original post! But to put my 2cents worth in, on my Kaypro 2X, it still states it was manufactured by Kaypro Corporation, of Solana Beach, CA. Since the company had yet to change names when the 2X was manufactured, would that indicate that it fell before the Kaypro II in the production cycle? If I recall, the II was labeled as coming from Non-Linear Systems? Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System, Commodore C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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Home Made Computers

by more＠camlaw.rutgers.edu

Just a quickie.... Have any of you guys ever made your own computers? This is someting I have been thinking of doing but really don't know where to start. It doesn't have to be fancy (something with a 8088 or Z80 or 6502 would be fine) So does anyone have any "plans" to make one? Thanks Les

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Osbourne Executive help

by gpine＠popmail.mcs.net

At 11:36 AM 5/9/97 +0500, you wrote: > I have an Osbourne Executive that is in fairly decent shape and for the >most part works fine. There's no burn-in on the CRT and both floppies work >great, but there seems to be a problem with the power supply or the video >system. > > The system boots fine, but once it has booted, the image on the screen >begins to jump or shimmer, and you can hear the fan on the rear of the machine >appear to change speeds, as if there was a power fluctuation. > > I would really like to find out what's wrong with this machine, and repair >it if possible, and am hesitant to run it the way it is. Any help would be >greatly appreciated. Thanks. > Jeff, I had (and still have to some extent) the same problem on my Executive. I managed to mitigate the problem somewhat by replacing the 12 volt muffin fan with a 117 volt fan in order to reduce the load on the power supply. The shimmering was reduced, but not eliminated. Gerald > Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > Collector of classic home computers: > > Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System, Commodore > C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive > Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, > TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and > 2600VCS game consoles. > > > > >

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by groberts＠mitre.org

those are magnetic strips storing programs. you would read the strip in, then insert it in a special holder below the row of function keys on the calculator. you could label the strip so you remember what each function key is programmed for. HP first introduced this with the HP67 (pocket version) and HP97 (desk version) and TI followed suit with their own equivalent. This was probably vintage late 70's or early 80's? - glenn At 02:00 AM 5/8/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi, I saw the post on the old calculator so here's mine: >A buddy of mine used to work at a Salvation Army so I got >a lot of stuff that they threw out. One was an old TI >calculator that had these strips you fed in one side and >a motor pulled them through (almost like a credit card reader) > >What is it? How old is it? > >Les > > > >

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Preserve the other stuff as well Was: Re: yo

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

At 06:57 PM 5/9/97 -0500, you wrote: >Yes, the incredible rate of obsolesence in computers lets us own >stuff that only a major company or a small government would've been >able to buy 10 years ago. For example, list price on the hardware >in my Personal vaxCluster would've been over half a million dollars >when new. But I've picked it all up at auctions for a couple hundred >dollars. I remember going into the local Radio Shack and drooling over the different TRS-80 models nearly constantly in the period between 1982 and 1987, seeing as those were the systems which I had easiest access too. I wanted a Model 4P quite badly at the time, but I didn't make enough with my job for them to even think about financing me on it. I entered the military in 1983 so didn't make too much. Also, the Model III was the first micro of any type I got to use, since it was what our computer lab in high school (circa 1981-2) used. >On microcomputer prices, here's some prices from the back of an >August 1982 BYTE that I just happen to have on my desk here: >Morrow designs 5 Mbyte hard disk S-100 subsystem $1975 If I remember correctly, didn't IBM originally charge close to $5000 for it's hard disk system for the original PC-XT's? >Tandon TM100-2 5.25" FH DSDD 360K floppy drive $ 325 The Indus-GT floppy for my Atari 800 was another 5-1/4" drive that was in the $300-400 price range. Nifty drive though, and I think I have close to a dozen different DOS's to boot it from. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Collector of Classic Computers: Amiga 1000, Amiga 3000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari MegaST-2, Commodore C-128, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer 3, TRS-80 Model IV Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles

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Origin of company names Apple & Atari - verify?

by marcw＠lightside.com

Howdy all, In our newspaper they have a little item called NO KIDDING. In it they list little trivia things. A few days ago there was one on "Now You Know" listing things that are different than history says (one was that Linbergh was actually the 67th person to fly solo across the Atlantic). Each daily listing also shows the reference in case no one believes. Anyhind in today's list they had "'Why' behind the names" The reason for certain names of companies/items. Apple - desire to be before "Atari" in the phone book. Atari - to look like a Japanese company Does anyone know if these reasons are true? Sounds funny but then we really don't know how/why certain names are chosen. Marc -- >> ANIME SENSHI << Marc D. Williams marcw(a)lightside.com marc.williams(a)mb.fidonet.org IRC Nick: Senshi Channel: #dos http://www.agate.net/~tvdog/internet.html -- DOS Internet Tools

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Origin of company names Apple & Atari - verify?

by josh＠netins.net

I have an origional Apple IIC owners guide, under the "Ask Apple" Section, there is a question that says: "How did Apple get it's name?" The answer: (Taken from the Apple IIC book, Apple Presents the Apple IIC, An Interactive Owner's Guide.) "The name Apple Computer was chosen late one afternoon as Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak, Apple's founders faced the deadline for filing a Fictitious Name Statement, part of the business licensing procedures. After volleying names back and forth with Wozniak for hours, Jobs looked at the apple he was eating and decided that, unless he or Woz arrived at something better by five o'clock, they would call the company Apple. Five o'clock came and went; Apple was the new company's name." This could be true, or not. Josh M. Nutzman +----------------------------------------------+ |"Life is like a river, you go with the flow...| | but in the end you usually end up dammed." | | -The Red Green Show | +----------------------------------------------+

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by mhop＠snip.net

> I don't think anyone can. I think it has to come from your account. Mail to > listserv(a)u.washington.edu Oops. It's listproc(a)u.washington.edu I think that is the first time I ever quoted my own message. :) mhop(a)snip.net

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by mhop＠snip.net

> can someone please unsubscribe me? I'm on holliday and can't take the daily > load of this list. > > Frank I don't think anyone can. I think it has to come from your account. Mail to listserv(a)u.washington.edu

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Origin of company names Apple & Atari - verify?

by marcw＠lightside.com

> > Anyhind in today's list they had "'Why' behind the names" > > The reason for certain names of companies/items. > > > > Apple - desire to be before "Atari" in the phone book. > <SNIP> > apple and eating it. (all this up until this point is true) Then > what I've heard is that Jobs wanted to name the company in memory of > Turing's apple, which would explain the bite out of the apple. > I like that one. Good explanation for the bite. > > > Atari - to look like a Japanese company > > Atari is in fact a Japanese word. I forget what it means, but it's the > equivalent of "checkmate" in the game of Go. Founder of Atari allegedly > really liked Japanese culture and Go. > Pulled out the Japanese dictionary and the definition is close. "a hit" or "on target". For awhile I guess they were. Marc -- >> ANIME SENSHI << Marc D. Williams marcw(a)lightside.com marc.williams(a)mb.fidonet.org IRC Nick: Senshi Channel: #dos http://www.agate.net/~tvdog/internet.html -- DOS Internet Tools

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TI 99 & a good weekend

by BigLouS＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-04-29 00:50:04 EDT, Charles P. Hobbs writes: << As for the TI without any chrome at all . . .did it look painted, or . . . >> I didn't take a really close look but it didn't appear to be painted. It also seemed to have a circle on the case above the keyboard. Lou

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Osbourne Executive help

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

I have an Osbourne Executive that is in fairly decent shape and for the most part works fine. There's no burn-in on the CRT and both floppies work great, but there seems to be a problem with the power supply or the video system. The system boots fine, but once it has booted, the image on the screen begins to jump or shimmer, and you can hear the fan on the rear of the machine appear to change speeds, as if there was a power fluctuation. I would really like to find out what's wrong with this machine, and repair it if possible, and am hesitant to run it the way it is. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System, Commodore C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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gonkulator

by josh＠netins.net

>Magnetic-card programming of calculators was certainly around before >then. My HP9100, for example, has a card reader/writer (though I've >never used it - anybody have any cards compatible with this nearly >3-decade-old classic?) > >Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca) I recently sold my HP9100b. It had several cards with it, and even a program library book! Hang on to your 9100 what ever you do! I got $750 for mine, I'm sure an origional 9100 would go for a few more! It was the first desktop calculator HP made, way back in 1967-69 (somewhere around there) Josh M. Nutzman +----------------------------------------------+ |"Life is like a river, you go with the flow...| | but in the end you usually end up dammed." | | -The Red Green Show | +----------------------------------------------+

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The List!

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Whilst in a self-induced trance, Steven J. Feinsmith happened to blather: >Susan M Johnson wrote: >> Currently, the H/Z-100 can run 8", 5 1/4" (40 & 96 tpi), and 3 1/2" (96 >> & 135 tpi) floppy disk drives; MFM hard drives (also RLL, although not >> common), tape drives, and SCSI drives. CD-ROM drives are also possible. > >During days of H/Z-110 and 120... there are only two floppy disk drives, >5.25" and 8". The 8" system was short lived. There was never using >3.5" >but some people successful attempted this way when H/Z-100 were no >longer >in market. They have to write a special software included BIOS to work >with 3.5" drive. SCSI system on H/Z-110 or 120 was very rarely. Those >days it was called SASI. There was never using tape drive or CD-ROM >drives >because H/Z-110 or 120 never use with IDE or EIDE. But it can use with >SCSI based interfaced. I have a few comments on what each of you said: Steven: Notice that Susan wrote "Currently," at the beginning of the sentance. That means that altho the 3.5" disk drives weren't available at the time of the machine's introduction, you can easily get any machine that uses the standard 34-pin floppy interface to use a 3.5" disk drive. I currently use 3.5" drives on both my Atari 800 and my Tandy Color Computer 3, neither of which had 3.5" drives available at the time of their introduction. Provided you were replacing an 80TkDSDD 5.25" (or lesser) drive with an 80TkDSDD 3.5" drive, you would not need a new BIOS, as the drives are electrically equivilant. Steven: Also, SASI and SCSI are *different*, SASI being the precursor of SCSI. Altho they are *somewhat* compatible IIRC, SCSI did have extra features that could not be used with a SASI interface. Susan: You're sentance above is slightly misleading, however, as there were no 96tpi 3.5" drives that I've ever heard of (and I own some *weird* ones!) Everything from the 200K SSSD Tandy Portable Disk Drive 2 (used for Tandy's *early* non-MSDOS laptops) right on up to the 2.88Meg ED drives are 135TPI. Hope this helps! Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* zmerch(a)northernway.net | be your first career choice.

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by MPritchard＠ensemble.net

> Hi, I saw the post on the old calculator so here's mine: > A buddy of mine used to work at a Salvation Army so I got > a lot of stuff that they threw out. One was an old TI > calculator that had these strips you fed in one side and > a motor pulled them through (almost like a credit card reader) > > What is it? How old is it? > > Probably a TI-59. I recall owning a TI-58c and TI-59 calculator back > in high school. In fact, I think I still have the TI-59, books and > cards for it buried somewhere. If anyone is interested, I don't have > any desire to collect calculators.

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by frankhil＠mediaport.org

can someone please unsubscribe me? I'm on holliday and can't take the daily load of this list. Frank

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movie computers (The List! )

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

In the movie _Sneakers_, Ben Kingsley plays an ex-hacker who is now the financial data processing administrator for the Mob. He has a large complex of systems including a very Cray-like central processor and all sorts of fancy accessories. He's extolling the virtues of mob money to Robert Redford's character, and to illustrate his point he turns on the Cray's terminal... lo and behold, the Cray runs Microsoft Excel! Since we were in a theater about 6 blocks from Microsoft corporate campus, that scene was the biggest laugh of the film. Kai > ---------- > From: Brian L. Stuart[SMTP:stuart@colossus.mathcs.rhodes.edu] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 1997 3:32 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: The List! > > Doug Spencer asks: > >Actually, the III was visible for a second or so in Tron, wasn't it? > > I don't remember seeing an Apple III, but there was a glimps of > a Cray 1. It wasn't in focus though )-: > > Brian L. Stuart > Math/CS Dept, Rhodes College, Memphis, TN > stuartb(a)acm.org > http://www.mathcs.rhodes.edu/~stuart/ >

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by zmerch＠northernway.net

Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Mr. Self Destruct said: >Hi, I saw the post on the old calculator so here's mine: >A buddy of mine used to work at a Salvation Army so I got >a lot of stuff that they threw out. One was an old TI >calculator that had these strips you fed in one side and >a motor pulled them through (almost like a credit card reader) > >What is it? How old is it? > >Les Sounds like you might be talking about the TI-59 (? did the TI-58 have this capability also? I've never seen a 58). I used one in high school... really neato once you got used to TI's programming practices. It also had a 32 or 40 column thermal printer that the calculator mounted to, and then the printer served as the base. The mag strip was mainly for data storage or user-created programs, as it also had the capability to use pre-programmed ROM cartridges. They even had a cartridge of games! ISTR a football game that printed out all the team stats on the printer. A very interesting piece of hardware. Hope this helps, "Merch" -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.

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CLASSICCMP digest

by classicjr＠juno.com

Bill, it looks like I will have to unsubscribe then re-subscribe again. I have not received any digest since May 1st. Can you please reply with instructions? Thanks! Jeff R.

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by HamiJohn＠aol.com

Hi Les, In a message dated 97-05-08 07:54:21 EDT, you write: << Hi, I saw the post on the old calculator so here's mine: A buddy of mine used to work at a Salvation Army so I got a lot of stuff that they threw out. One was an old TI calculator that had these strips you fed in one side and a motor pulled them through (almost like a credit card reader) What is it? How old is it? >> It was either a SR-52 (1975) or TI-59 (1977). The first had a 100 step memory, the latter a 960 step memory. You could store programs and data on those tiny magnetic strips (guess they were like tiny floppies - except you turned the card around to read the second track)! Really great "micro-micro" computers. A terrific way to learn the thought process of efficient programming (once wrote a Social Security retirement program on the TI-59). What one could do when the bytes were few! John Hamilton hamijohn(a)aol.com "Life would be much easier if I had the source code ..."

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by more＠camlaw.rutgers.edu

Hi, I saw the post on the old calculator so here's mine: A buddy of mine used to work at a Salvation Army so I got a lot of stuff that they threw out. One was an old TI calculator that had these strips you fed in one side and a motor pulled them through (almost like a credit card reader) What is it? How old is it? Les

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Help ID this card...

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Should be a simple one, but lets see... (and 'cause I can't get to that section of my archives!) Card from an Apple II, wondering if it might be the interface for a ProFile HD. Markings on card: Xebec (now you know why I suspect a HD ctrlr) FCC ID CF77KL103916APPLE Assy 103916-04 Rev H-04 S/N 9-0733 What says the council? -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Wanted: magazine?

by mhop＠snip.net

> What about Popular Computing? I have a note that I want to find #38, and I > don't even remember why. You mean vol 3, number 8? June of 84? (I have been cleaning up my apt and am find lots of old stuff) mhop(a)snip.net

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movie computers - Outland

by mhop＠snip.net

> I'm sorry but I can't recall a scene in any movie that resembles a real > use of a computer. Face it computers on film are boring. That's why > every movie computer has animated graphics and makes noises every time > you do something. What about the movie Outland? The Doc used a computer to analyze a dead man's blood for drugs, and the graphics were reasonably occilloscopic-like to seem realistic. Don't forget "Mother" in Alien. No graphics, just reporting the facts. mhop(a)snip.net

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Colmputers in Movies & T.V.

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Since I am a real fan of computers in movies and books let me try to clarify some of this stuff... Doug Spencer: >Actually, the (Apple) III was visible for a second or so in Tron, wasn't it? That's the machine in Flynn's place, he was hacking into the Encomm system with it. Later they show Flynn and Laura Sneaking through a data processing center on their way to to a terminal in Laser Bay 2. I don't know minis from mainframes, so I'll leave it at that. From: "Starling" <starling(a)umr.edu> > I recently found out that _Weird Science_ possibly has an Apple Lisa in > it and that some chick is named Lisa because she was designed on the > computer. Never seen the flick, but I think I might have to now... When the computer created girl asked for a name, Gary suggested Lisa, a girl he met in school who he had a crush on. They show what looks like an IBM clone (modular Franklin unit?) at Wyatt's house, (I like that RETURN key with the flashing lights, probably even if you had it and instructed the user to press it they still would press the wrong one.) Also shows a terminal and bank of large reel-to-reel tape units in the 'military center' they hacked into. From: "Scott Walde" <scott(a)saskatoon.com> > And wasn't there an IMSAI in War Games? (It's been a long time, though.) Yes, pretty blue and red switches, lights, with 8 inch drives. From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> > I thought it was simply amazing how that blind guy could figure out what > an electronic device did by simply rubbing his fingers over the > components. THAT'S INCREDIBLE! But I digress. First he ran his fingers over the box and then had the kid power it up and interface it to his braille reader, then he scanned the output through the reader. I thought that movie had good merit behind it's ideas... > I thought the most realistic computer scenes in terms of relevance to > reality were in War Games. I consider parts of it a documentary. Was a great boon for the BBS community. War dialing was well explained (and also given that name) in the film. From: "Mr. Self Destruct" <more(a)camlaw.rutgers.edu> > MST3k... that had a requisite mad scientist with his super > computer which consisted of a giant steel box with a rectangular hole in > the top of it from which peeked a VIC-20! Well at least someone knows a 'Super' Computer when they see one. *grin* From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> > This is almost the same as asking why the new alien species which they > just came into contact with speaks english. Ship's computer translates alien tongues via crew's communicators, Deep Space Nine and Voyager have been clearing that up in recent episodes. Sighting for you classic fans: Star Trek II - The Wrath of Khan: In Kirk's place, in front of the window, an original PET computer (BASIC startup screen showing) From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> >> I thought the most realistic computer scenes in terms of relevance to >> reality were in War Games. > A voice-activated IMSAI? The IMSAI wasn't voice activated, it had a voice sythesiser (must be a standard issue, even the 'crystal palace' had them), which at times failed to narrate all the text being displayed on the screen. > The horrible corruption of the term "hacker" > to mean "cracker", all due to the cluelessness of the screenplay > writers? War Games is/was an incredible insult to the true > switch-flipping hacker community. I don't think the term 'hacker' was used.. They just said 'someone' or 'that kid' broke into the WOPR. No, "Hackers" was the bad press film, yuck! From: "Charles P. Hobbs" <transit(a)primenet.com> > Speaking of computers in movies, anyone remember a late-1981(?) flick > called "Evilspeak" where the nerdy kid uses his computer to cast > Satanic spells (the commercial showed an Apple II with a pentagram on > the screen!) That Apple II was in the movie too. Coopersmith used it to translate the evil texts. From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> > Actually, one of the best (in terms of sillyness) was this movie called > DemonSeed where this super-computer becomes sentient, kills its creator, Nope, Proteus kills a technician who came by to see why the creator's soon to be ex-wife's home automation system was malfunctioning. > [Proteus] then creates a metallic penis (I am NOT making this up) that it uses to > impregnant the creator's wife, whom he is holding captive. Sorry, the egg is removed via robot (the hand on the wheelchair), altered and then replaced. > She has a 30 day (or so) gestation period and gives birth to the computer's child who > grows up to around age 8 or so in about 3 days. I forget what happens > after that. Proteus is shut down and the incubator starts to fail, the creator helps the then 'thing' out of it, (at that point the wife freaks, as she thinks she has been majorly used by Proteous and wants to kill the 'thing'), they discover there is a shell covering the child (who has the likeness of their recently deceased daughter) They wash and carress the child as their own. > I think the kid just babbles about some philosophical crap "I live!" she says in Proteus' voice. (philosophical alright) > and the movie ends. I recommend it. So do I. "Demon Seed" along with "Colossus: the Forbin Project" and "Tron", 3 movies about computers that aren't actaully as bad as they were portrayed. All of them had noble goals in mind but the reluctance of 'change for the betterment of all' and fear of their creators lead to their eventual downfall. If any of you are into reading books or watching movies where computers play a key role (or character) check out the list I'm compiling on my web site (address below.) Larry Anderson -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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realistic movie computers

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

(Patriot Games) | Hardly. I don't know of an operating system that yanks the file contents off | of your screen when someone else on the network deletes them. Windows? (Ferris Bueller) | Hardly. Unless he was using some sort of remote control software (like | PCAnywhere) or the principal was running a BBS, I don't know of a program | that shows someone editing database fields in realtime. Well, the bit about seeing the cursor move was dramatic license, but certainly there are numerous databases that will show dynamic updates in real time. | Actually I still think she's cute. I wish I had a cute chick | interested in me when I was a total teenage computer geek (yeah right). Well... there was the english professor's daughter, Becka... but she wasn't interested in my computer, she liked my... er... poetry. Kai

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Colmputers in Movies & T.V.

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| From: Larry Anderson & Diane Hare[SMTP:foxnhare@goldrush.com] | If any of you are into reading books or watching movies where | computers play a key role (or character) check out the list I'm | compiling on my web site (address below.) Try this: http://us.imdb.com/M/search_plots?for=computer Kai

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realistic movie computers

by groberts＠mitre.org

At 09:29 AM 5/7/97 -0700, Kai Kaltenbach wrote: >_Ferris Bueller's Day Off_ has Ferris breaking into his school's system >remotely and changing his grades ... while that sounds like something Ferris Bueller would do, i think you're thinking of the early part of War Games (before he started WW III) where he logs into the school computer (password: pencil). - glenn

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realistic movie computers

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| From: Greg Mast[SMTP:gmast@polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu] | I'm sorry but I can't recall a scene in any movie that resembles a real | use of a computer. There was a pretty good, rather realistic scene in _Patriot Games_ where Harrison Ford has logged his nemesis' account and is grabbing files full of evidence, while the other guy frantically tries to delete them. _Ferris Bueller's Day Off_ has Ferris breaking into his school's system remotely and changing his grades in a fairly realistic manner. In _Under Siege 2: Dark Territory_, the hero wires into a broken pay phone with a Newton and sends an emergency fax. I had a Newton at the time, and loved this bit. And _Wargames_ was actually pretty realistic; he had the IMSAI with voice synth (probably a CompuTalker) and a demon dialer program, all of which were acceptable realism for me. Plus, at the time, we all thought Ally Sheedy was pretty cute. Kai

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movie computers (The List! )

by MPritchard＠ensemble.net

> -spc (And Lazlo's computer in "Real Genius" looked like a Sun) > > if I recall right, in real genuis, they broke into the "military" > computer using a 1200 baud modem and the follwing sequence: > > ATDT 555-1234 > CONNECT > > login: SYSTEM > password: AAAAAA > ** Incorrect Password ** > > login: SYSTEM > password: AAAAAB > ** Incorrect Password ** > > login: SYSTEM > password: AAAAAC > ** Incorrect Password ** > *DISCONNECT* > > ATDT 555-1234 > CONNECT > > login: SYSTEM > password: AAAAAD > ** Incorrect Password ** > > and so on....

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Wanted: Co-Proponent for RFD rec.collecting.computers.classic

by ekman＠lysator.liu.se

Bill, You should write a message to NEW-LIST(a)LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU announcing the birth of CLASSICCMP. That way, you will reach most of the people who maintain mailing list databases etc. Bill wrote: > I've been reasearching the possibility of putting old magazine articles > up on the ClassicCmp web site. What about Popular Computing? I have a note that I want to find #38, and I don't even remember why. Anyway, the idea is great! /Fredrik

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Victor Computer anyone?

by ekman＠lysator.liu.se

Good choice of subject, Sam! If you had just used "yo" again, I might have missed this one. :-) > One of the things I saw at the last swap meet I was at was a Victor PC. If it said "Victor PC" and nothing else it was almost certainly a PC clone. Victor was originally an American company (later moved to Sweden) and started out making their own PCs (ie not IBM clones). Their most successful early model must have been the Victor 9000, one of the biggest wants for my collection. It was one of the first pure 16-bit PCs and featured very nice monochrome graphics. The keyboard layout is similar to a PC and it has 2 5.25" floppy drives, so this might have been what you saw. It could run both CP/M and a ported version of MS-DOS. The 9000 was marketed in Britain with the name Sirius ACT-1 or Apricot 1 or something like that. If I remember correctly the 9000 had a dark case and black keys. Later, Victor started making IBM clones, which they continued doing until AST bought them one or two years ago. Anyway, even if what you saw was a 9000 it was probably not worth $40. /Fredrik

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Australian computers...

by ekman＠lysator.liu.se

Kevan wrote: > I think the Microbee also originates from Australia. Correct. The Microbee is Australian. I'd love to have one of these. Is there anyone on this list who has one or used to have one? Or who knows if there are still any user groups or similar in Australia? /Fredrik

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Help me identify a component.

by kevan＠motiv.co.uk

Ok, I have an old Anita 1000 calculator which I think dates from around 1967. It is all discrete components mounted on a number of seperate boards. One board has a funny spidery type component on it and I don't know what it is. You can see a picture here: http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/card.jpg I have a second Anita that has three of these things on it so I really would like to know what they are. Thanks -- Kevan Old Computer Collector: http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/

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Xerox 860's available

by dcobley＠island.net

Forwarded from comp.os.cpm:- From: schach(a)garnet.berkeley.edu (Linda B) Subject: Xerox 860's -- anyone interested Date: 6 May 1997 17 : 59 : 43 GMT Organization: University of California at Berkeley Have several Xerox 860 8080 CP/M computers as well as Diablo 630 printers modified to work specifically with them. They are located in Berkeley, nyone interested in them? Linda B

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Victor Computer anyone?

by dastar＠crl.com

One of the things I saw at the last swap meet I was at was a Victor PC. I am pretty darn sure this is some PC clone because it had the requisite function keys and 2 5.25" floppy drives. The drives and monitor and CPU were all one unit (the monitor may have been detachable or just sitting on the CPU). It was labelled "Victor" and the "o" was like a multi-band colored sun (or something). Um, don't know what else to say about it. Does anyone know what this is? I was tempted to pick it up but it was priced at (I think) $40 and wasn't even going to bother haggling (this was the same guy trying to sell two VIC-20s at $25 a piece). Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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yo

by dastar＠crl.com

Well, here's this weekend's take: Among several computer's, I also brought in quite a few books. Here are the titles in case anyone's counting: PET Personal Computer Guide (1982) TRS-80 Color Computer and MC-10 Programs (1983) CP/M Handbook with MP/M (1980) How to Get Started with CP/M (1981) Mastering CP/M (1983) Using CP/M (1980) Color Computer Basic09 Programming Language Reference (with software) Osborne CP/M User's Guide [not Osbourne computer] (1981) The Elementary Commodore 64 (1983) Programming Techniques for Level II Basic (1980) Color Computer Playground (1983) Sams ToolKit Series VIC20 Edition (1984) Graphics Guide to the Commodore 64 (1984) TRS-80 Color Computer Programs (1982) I also got these manuals/software: TRS-80 Model II Operations Manual TRS-80 Scripsit Manual TRS-80 Videotex Commodore 64 Bonus Cassette Pack (this is 5 cassettes still in the original shrinkwrap of all things) I'm finding that I am more interested now in the accessories, like cables, manuals, modems, datasettes, etc. than in the computers I find now because I pretty much have all the common systems. What I really need to get a lot of my systems running are power supplies or, in most cases, the original video cable. A lot of these lame-o manufacturers of yester year (namely Commodore) used cables with ridiculous pin-outs for the video. Now onto the hardware...first some accessories: TRS-80 Modem I (very cool) (2) C64 1541 drives VIC 1541 drive Commodore 1531 Datasette And these systems: Commodore Plus4 Commodore 64 (for parts to fix my broken one) Atari 5200 (have 5 of these but none with the funky video/power adapter...this one had one so I bought it). Odyssey 3000 [!] (stand-alone unit with 4 built-in games...Pong-type games...by Magnavox) Laser 50 PC [!] (cool little "portable computer"...has a one-line 20 character LCD display with built-in BASIC...it is about half the width and thickness of a typical laptop...it is not a serious computer, more like a toy; manufactured by Vtech, which is the company that makes all those kids computer toys; circa 1985) Between the Odyssey 3000 and the Laser 50, I can't decide what I should choose as my catch of the weekend. Both are systems I had never even heard of or seen, so its always a nice surprise to pick up something like these out of the blue. Last but not least, I got this luggable that I need some help identifying. It is a portable that looks very much like an Osbourne (which is what I thought it was at first but realized it wasn't). It has a built in 7" screen and two 5.25" floppies. It has one knob on the front for contrast, and next to that is an RJ-14 (6-conductor) jack for the keyboard. There is no identifying mark on it anywhere. The front cover pops off revealing the screen/floppies and contains the keyboard. When it boots up, it just shows a flashing "K" with an underscore beneath it located at the upper left-hand corner of the screen. It doesn't do anything beyond that, which is making the identification process all the more difficult. The back has two DB25's, one male labelled SERIAL and the other female labelled PARALLEL. There are also some peripheral card openings. Cracking it opens reveals that it has what looks to be an XT bus with 4 slots. There are 2 cards and a hard drive inside. One card is labelled "Hyper CLOCK" and is obviously a clock card. The other is a Racal-Vadic modem. Then the 3rd & 4th slots are taken up by a hard-card (hard drive on a card) which plugs into one slot. It is manufactured by Tandon. The only chip of significance inside is a Motorola labelled MC6845P. I'm speculating that this is the CPU. There is a label on the motherboard (which is huge, measuring almost 2 feet square) which says "Corona Data Systems" and then "200290-512" which I am guessing means it has 512K. There are 4 rows of 16 each RAM chips...half are soldered in and half are plugged into sockets. Lastly, a label on the back of the outside say "Model M18P-2" and the keyboard is made by Keytronics. I didn't write it down but I believe I saw a date somewhere of 1981. Any help figuring this behemoth out would be appreciated. After figuring it wasn't an osbourne 1, I was going to pass on it but I offered $5 and for the hell of it and got it. Maybe it'll turn out be something cool. Oh yeah, total bill was $44.00. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Victor Computer anyone / Heath

by scott＠saskatoon.com

> Hi All, > > Right on. The Victor 9000 was quite a system. Monochrome hi res > video. Way ahead of its time IMHO. If I remember right, it was an > 8086 based PC that was designed by the same fellow who designed the > 6502 chip. Unfortunatly, his name escapes me. Chuck Peddle.

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movie computers (The List! )

by David_A._Vandenbroucke＠hud.gov

On Tue, 6 May 1997, Roger Merchberger wrote: > > And the 64,000 byte question: If Scotty had *never* seen a QWERTY keyboard > before in his life... how the *he!!* can he type so fast!?! > > Inquiring minds want to know! > Not to mention that he was able to quickly sketch out the formula for "transparent aluminum" using ghod knows what software. --Dav david_a._vandenbroucke(a)hud.gov

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Pournelle (The decline and fall of Byte)

by David_A._Vandenbroucke＠hud.gov

>I have read many letters here and I hope this is NOT what we are going >to continually hear - Microsoft reps patting themselves on the back >because they and the company can NEVER BE WRONG. Let's keep company >reps out if they only want to glorify the company (that basically has >the computer world in turmoil with poor quality non-innovative >software). I don't work for Microsoft, but I have had a similar run-in with Dr. Pournelle. I am a professional economist (a "Dr." too, as it happens), and in some discussion forum or other on GEnie I once quoted Milton Friedman's well-known (among economists) remark that "we're all Keynesians now." If you know the way that macroeconomic theory has converged over the past few decades, the remark makes perfect sense and doesn't detract from Friedman's status as the leader of the believers in the unfettered market. However, Pournelle was on me like a ton of bricks. He clearly _didn't_ understand what Keynesian theory was all about and thought that it just stood for government policies that he didn't like. He didn't care about references, because he "knew" that Friedman just _couldn't_ have said that, sort of like those guys who didn't bother to look into Galileo's telescope because they _knew_ the sun couldn't have spots. Eventually I just gave up on the conversation, and I suppose Pournelle thinks that he won the argument. --Dav david_a._vandenbroucke(a)hud.gov

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Victor Computer anyone?

by tomph＠ix3.ix.netcom.com

Hi Again, <snip> > I remember playing around with some Victors at the neighborhood computer > store in 1981 or so. . .did they run CP/M? The original lot we used ran CPM/86. As the IBM continued to grow in market share a version of MS/DOS modified specifically for the Victor was released. > I also remember reading that they had a wierd disk format, and Victor > wanted to control all of the software available for the machine. The wierd disk format came from the multi speed floppy drive and the zones. 600K on one side of a 5-1/4" disk. Not bad for it's time. > The > article said "You couldn't even get a copy of Dbase II unless you got it > through Victor". Any truth to that? Yep, due mainly to the disk format. Can't remember if there were problems with the video driver portion also. The system had a very high resolution. I once saw video being played on the screen. Looked every bit as good as a black and white TV except it was green and black. In any event, you just couldn't bring programs straight over. As far as applications went, they had Victor versions of Lotus, Supercalc, MultiPlan, Multimate, dBase II, Crosstalk, Wordstar and others. It even had a 3D spreadsheet called Victor Calc. There was talk of Victor releasing a disk drive that would read and write IBM format and an emulation board that would allow it to run IBM software. As I remember it, this board was giving them all kinds of headaches. Never really got it to work bug free or at least free enough so that users wouldn't complain. Shortly after this the company went belly up. Seems that they were will established over seas and had a good share of the market. In an attempt to migrate the system to this side of the pond they overextended themselves in the marketing department and opened up too many sales locations all over the country but the sales didn't materialze. I remember them shutting down location after location. That's about all I can remember. Hope that helps. Tom

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movie computers (The List! )

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

I'm sorry but I can't recall a scene in any movie that resembles a real use of a computer. Face it computers on film are boring. That's why every movie computer has animated graphics and makes noises every time you do something. I worked with a guy in 3-D modeling. He learned how to spin a shaded object on the screen. Every time a (computer clueless) manager came by he'd start spinning. They were really impressed! Then after they left, he'd ask me how to make it do something else. What I really enjoy is the blank screen where you type in "find Bob Smith" and it comes back with everything about the guy including pictures, tax returns, blueprints of his house, and always that little piece of information that ties him to the crime. Where can I get one of those? I remember trying out a little accessory for my mac that caused the thing to beep every time you hit a key. just like in the movies! Drove me crazy after about 30 seconds.

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Victor Computer anyone / Heath

by tomph＠ix6.ix.netcom.com

Hi All, I've been lurking for one day but had to reply to this one so I hope I'm not breaking any rules. <snip> > That was an ACT Victor 9000, aka Sirius 9000 in Europe. It's a brilliant > machine (by coincidence I saw a Sirius keyboard for sale last Sunday). > 8088-based, but not PC compatible. Will run the usual OSs and the usual > software. I can't remember specs of the top of my head. After the > Victor/Sirius, ACT went on to design the Apricot series, with which you may > be more familiar. If you need the full specs, I'll be happy to have a look > for you! Right on. The Victor 9000 was quite a system. Monochrome hi res video. Way ahead of its time IMHO. If I remember right, it was an 8086 based PC that was designed by the same fellow who designed the 6502 chip. Unfortunatly, his name escapes me. It was not IBM compatible in any way which is what really killed it. I had a classroom with 12 of those systems in it. Very reliable. Also had a variable speed 5-1/4 drive that stored more data on the outer tracks by slowing the drive down. Had about 5 different speed zones on the disk so it store 600k per disk. Quite a feat when IBM was still at the 360K density. On another note. The reason I'm here is that someone recommended I drop a line to let you all know I have a Heath Z150 PC that I built back in 1984. I also have all the manuals and schematics and two binders of Remark mag. I no longer have room for it and would like to find a good home for it. Aside from shipping charges, it's free for the taking. I'm located on Long Island in New York. Anyone interested. I'd hate to have to deep six it. Let me know Tom

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by scott＠saskatoon.com

> You can't forget about the PDP-8/E with DECTape drives that > appeared in "Three Days of the Condor". And wasn't there an IMSAI in War Games? (It's been a long time, though.) ttfn srw ------------------------------------------------------------ Walde Techonology http://scott.cprompt.sk.ca Box 7284 finger: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca Saskatoon, SK S7K 4J2 email: scott(a)saskatoon.com CANADA email: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s:+>: a- C++++$ UL++++$ !P L++ E- W+++$ N+ o? K? w$ O- M-- V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP->++ t+ 5 X+ !R tv- b+ DI++++ D+ G e* h r++ y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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by zmerch＠northernway.net

Two of my favorites: ISTR (tho I haven't seen it since it came out) that the original Terminator was programmed in: 1: Basic (Applesoft Basic, wasn't it?) 2: 8-bit Assembly (methinks 6800/6809, but it could have been 6502... memory fuzzy) 3: Get this: COBOL!!!!! ;-O There may have been others... but those are three I distinctly remember >from the movie. The other one (of course): Scotty talking to a mouse on an original Macintosh (which, of course) had the computational capabilities of a Cray it would seem... And the 64,000 byte question: If Scotty had *never* seen a QWERTY keyboard before in his life... how the *he!!* can he type so fast!?! Inquiring minds want to know! Prost, "Merch" -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* zmerch(a)northernway.net | be your first career choice.

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by scott＠saskatoon.com

> And the 64,000 byte question: If Scotty had *never* seen a QWERTY keyboard > before in his life... how the *he!!* can he type so fast!?! Shouldn't that actually be the 65,536 byte question? ttfn srw ------------------------------------------------------------ Walde Techonology http://scott.cprompt.sk.ca Box 7284 finger: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca Saskatoon, SK S7K 4J2 email: scott(a)saskatoon.com CANADA email: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s:+>: a- C++++$ UL++++$ !P L++ E- W+++$ N+ o? K? w$ O- M-- V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP->++ t+ 5 X+ !R tv- b+ DI++++ D+ G e* h r++ y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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by scott＠saskatoon.com

> Two of my favorites: > > ISTR (tho I haven't seen it since it came out) that the original Terminator > was programmed in: > > 1: Basic (Applesoft Basic, wasn't it?) > 2: 8-bit Assembly (methinks 6800/6809, but it could have been 6502... > memory fuzzy) That reminds me... was it Inner Space where the guys working on the computers were simply going through pages of monitor dumps on Apple ][+ or //es? ttfn srw ------------------------------------------------------------ Walde Techonology http://scott.cprompt.sk.ca Box 7284 finger: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca Saskatoon, SK S7K 4J2 email: scott(a)saskatoon.com CANADA email: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s:+>: a- C++++$ UL++++$ !P L++ E- W+++$ N+ o? K? w$ O- M-- V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP->++ t+ 5 X+ !R tv- b+ DI++++ D+ G e* h r++ y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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Pournelle (The decline and fall of Byte)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

About 9 years ago when I was in our end user support organization, I had occasion to speak to Jerry. He was threatening to give QuickBasic a scathing review because he couldn't get it to compile Mrs. Pournelle's Reading Program (what else?) under Windows 386. He called up our QuickBasic group manager and just about carved him a new orifice. I, as the Windows support lead, was asked to call him on this very urgent, sky-is-falling problem and help him out, since as you may have noticed >from years of columns, he never, ever calls support himself. The conversation went something like this: Me: "Hi Mr. Pournelle, this is Kai with Microsoft Product Support..." Jerry: "What the HELL are you DOING calling during my DINNER TIME?!?" Me: "I'm sorry sir, I understood you had a very urgent issue, and I had no way of knowing..." Jerry: "YOU PEOPLE are MORONS! <blah blah blah blah>" And things went downhill from there. Later on we finally got to the problem, which as I recall was related to a bizarre SCSI adapter in that silly Cheetah 386 he had, the one into which he would put any piece of hardware any manufacturer ever sent to him for free. Not a great experience. I spoke to him again a few months later on a different issue, and he was no more lucid or logical on that occasion. Kai > ---------- > From: Ward Griffiths and/or Lisa Rogers[SMTP:gram@cnct.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 1997 2:01 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: The decline and fall of Byte > > On Tue, 6 May 1997, Captain Napalm wrote: > > > My own collection of Byte starts with August of 85 (Amiga 1000 is > the > > cover story) and ends somewhere in late 89 or early 90. The library > at the > > university I attended had issues starting from Jan '77 (which I read > 8-). > > The dates given here are approximate, looking at a Byte from 1980, > then 1985 > > then 1990 will show almost three different magazines. > > > > -spc (It started sliding when Robert Tinney stopped doing magazine > covers, > > (~87) then it nose dived once Steve Ciarcia stopped writing > hardware > > articles, (~88 or 89) although there are some that think it > started > > way back in '77 when Pournelle started his column) > > Well, most of my older Byte magazines were destroyed by water several > moves ago, and I wouldn't mind acquiring most of them again. I had > mostly > given up on Byte in the mid-eighties, but in recent years I've wound > up > with a subscription (recently finally expired) due to McGraw-Hill > ceasing > publication of more useful magazines. Ciarcia's articles were always > excellent (and I know that most of them were released in book form > awhile > back), and his current magazine, "Circuit Cellar Ink" is pretty good, > especially if you're a serious hardware hacker as I no longer am. > Actually, nowadays, Pournelle's column is about the only thing I read > in > the magazine, and now that it's available on the web (with extra > text), I > really don't care to subscribe. Opinions vary concerning Jerry > Pournelle. > I've known him for over twenty years due to our mutual interest in > science > fiction and membership in the Los Angeles Science Fantasy Society (I'm > still a member despite living in New Jersey -- Death Shall Not Release > You!). Over the years we've had a lot of conversations and arguments, > about politics (he's in favor of having a government, I'm opposed), > about > space development (we're both in favor) and computers (I was a > Shacker, > and while I was living elsewhere on the continent he had bad > experiences > with a very early TRS-80 and the company rather hurt themselves by > being > uncooperative and ignorant of the power of the press -- which is why > after > I showed him one of the first Model 100s, he went out and got a NEC > equivalent). He's a man of strong opinions who's always trying to > learn > something new and so am I. Really, he should be a member of this > mailing > list -- he's experienced directly more of the history of computers > than > most of us who've worked and played with them. That plus having the > clout > to get information from the movers and shakers. > -- > Ward Griffiths > "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within > the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." --Claire Wolfe > >

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The List!

by scott＠saskatoon.com

> > Apple III 6502 128K SOS MICRO 83 > > The Apple III is definitely earlier than 1983. I have a booklet entitled > "Apple In Depth" from 1981 and it has the Apple III in it. Also, I found > a review of the III in the December, 1980 issue of Popular Science > (p.113). Strictly from my memory but, I'm _positive_ the A/// was released in fall of 1980. It actually beat the IBM PC to market, but had 100% hardware malfunction in the first run, and didn't have the bugs fixed until after the PC was out. (No longer strictly from memory. I just checked it out, It _Was_ Sept. 1980, and the ][+ was June 1979.) Apple has a great 'History' at: http://product.info.apple.com/pr/background/pr.background.timeline.html (Of course, it doesn't really mention any of the major failures.) ttfn srw ------------------------------------------------------------ Walde Techonology http://scott.cprompt.sk.ca Box 7284 finger: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca Saskatoon, SK S7K 4J2 email: scott(a)saskatoon.com CANADA email: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s:+>: a- C++++$ UL++++$ !P L++ E- W+++$ N+ o? K? w$ O- M-- V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP->++ t+ 5 X+ !R tv- b+ DI++++ D+ G e* h r++ y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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by ldickey＠west.cscwc.pima.edu

DATE SENT: 6-MAY-1997 16:59:36 > >I recently found out that _Weird Science_ possibly has an Apple Lisa in >it and that some chick is named Lisa because she was designed on the >computer. Never seen the flick, but I think I might have to now... > I think it may have been an Atari (1200xl?). It's been years since I last saw the movie, so I might be wrong. --- ####### "Hey...how'd I get in here?" | o o | Loren Dickey ( ^ ) ldickey(a)west.cscwc.pima.edu \ o / ldickey(a)aztec.asu.edu

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Wanted: Co-Proponent for RFD rec.collecting.computers.classic

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

I agree completely Bill. Here are some reasons I can think of off the top of my head for starting the newsgroup: - If we look at The List that has been circulating, only about 1% of those manufacturers have a comp.os.* group associated. - Someone who has a classic computer in their closet doesn't want to join a mailing list just to post a targeted for sale ad. - We don't want posts from commercial vendors of classic systems/software/parts filling up our mailboxes, but I'd like to encourage them to post to the newsgroup. - alt.folklore.computers is for discussions about folklore (did Gary Kildall really refuse to sign that IBM nondisclosure, thus dooming CP/M?) not buy/sell/trade activity. - A mailing list is an inappropriate place to hold an auction - Usenet is automatically archived and searchable via DejaNews Kai > ---------- > From: Bill Whitson[SMTP:bill@booster.bothell.washington.edu] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 1997 2:52 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Wanted: Co-Proponent for RFD > rec.collecting.computers.classic > > > Keeping it to ourselves is counter productive. The point is to > share the > > knowledge to get more people interested to preserve more computers. > The > > point is we do this because we have passion for the systems. Every > hobby > > is going to be prostituted some time or another. As long as your > passion > > remains, its all good. > > Let me clarify, just in case. Anyone with interest can join this > list. > If you guys wish to spread the word or post about it in appropriate > places be my guest. > > I don't stand one way or the other on the newsgroup idea but I think > it's agood idea to take a look at groups like comp.sys.ti where the > bulk of the info comes from the mailing list reposts and almost > everything else is spam. That is the reason why I decided to go with > a > mailing list rather than a newsgroup. It seems silly to argue about > the > group if the process has already been started - if it gets created it > will > either get used or not. If it passes I'll be one of the people > reading > it as I'm sure most of you will. > > Bill > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Bill Whitson - Classic Computers ListOp > bill(a)booster.u.washinton.edu or bcw(a)u.washington.edu > http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bcw > >

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Wanted: Co-Proponent for RFD rec.collecting.computers.c

by scott＠saskatoon.com

> Well how about a "Computer Journal" all our own? > > Just an idea... and it really wouldn't take that much effort! I like this idea. Maybe it could be a group collaborative effort. (Another mailling list?) Besides articles relating to collecting, I think it would be really cool to try to obtain the rights to reprint some classic magazine articles that some of us never got to see, or were to shortsighted at the time to keep. (Construction type articles. Maybe some reviews.) (Are we talking about 'ink and paper' here or electronic? I was thinking 'ink and paper', but [html,pdf,whatever] wouldn't be bad either.) > Les ttfn srw ------------------------------------------------------------ Walde Techonology http://scott.cprompt.sk.ca Box 7284 finger: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca Saskatoon, SK S7K 4J2 email: scott(a)saskatoon.com CANADA email: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s:+>: a- C++++$ UL++++$ !P L++ E- W+++$ N+ o? K? w$ O- M-- V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP->++ t+ 5 X+ !R tv- b+ DI++++ D+ G e* h r++ y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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Wanted: Co-Proponent for RFD rec.collecting.computers.classic

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Hi all, Due to the shocking absence of a computer collecting newsgroup (alt.folklore.computers is used a bit, but doesn't really apply), I'm submitting an RFD for rec.collecting.computers.classic. If anyone would like to be listed as a co-proponent, let me know. This may entail some work in assisting/monitoring the RFD process. The RFD will be cross-posted to classiccmp when complete. thanks Kai

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by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

From: hellige <jeffh(a)eleventh.com> To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Atari prob, etc. > One thing about Atari 8bit stuff is a lot of it tended to use it's own > power rating on the power supply, and not really interchangeable > between most of it, it seems. I'll check the ratings on the 1200 xl in the FAQ maybe that was the problem... :/ --------- From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> Subject: yo >First Annual Classic Computer Collector Conference >Why? BECAUSE! Does any hacker need a reason (well maybe the tried and true, "Because they say it's impossible.") > Next question... > Where? > Livermore, California (tentative...actual venue TBD) I could handle that. Hey that's were alot of the companies started. > When? > Late Summer 1997 (possibly August) > Who? > Organizer: Sam Ismail > Sponsors: Pending (targeted sponsors will be > Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories and > other computer manufacturers in the local area > and Silicon Valley). Apple could use a little more good P.R... (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) > What? > The Classic Computer Collector Convention is > slated to be the premier computer faire to > attend to meet with fellow classic computer > collector geeks, buy/sell/trade classic computer > stuff, exchange classic computer software and > classic computer hints and tips, attend > workshops on classic computer preservation and > restoration, and of course see classic > computers. > Some show features: > Classic Computer Spotlight - every year a > legendary system is chosen to be heralded as the > classic computer of the year (nominees for the > first show are Altair 8800; Apple ][; Commodore > PET; ???). Hey how about a demo contest too? Have you ever seen those european groups' parties, (search the web there are some good pages about them) looks pretty cool to me. Kinda like a hackerfest. > Classic Computer Pioneer - every year an > individual from the annals of computer lore will > be chosen as the Classic Computer Pioneer of the > year. This would be someone who had a lasting > legacy or made a historical impact on the > computer industry, but is not necessarily active > anymore (ie. this precludes Bill Gates from > qualifying). Nominees: Gary Kildall, creator of > CP/M; Steve Wozniak; ??? As I said Apple could use the P.R. (maybe get the Steves...) Unfortunately Gary Kildall (creator of CP/M) died a couple years back (but would be a kick to honor him), Chuck Peddle was the creator of the 6502 microprocessor and Commodore PET among other things. > Classic Computer Museum - A classic museum will > be set-up on-site to allow interested public to > see what classic computers are all about. > Attendees will be encouraged to submit their > favorite classics for display during the show. Better have tight security there if we bring our 'babies' to sow off. > The success of the show will depend on > attendance. Admission will be enough to cover > the costs of running the show (including lease > of the venue, advertising, etc). Although there > won't be much of a vending atmosphere (unless > people want to haul their stuff from all over > the country) space will be sold for such > purposes. That sounds reasonable. > More details as I come up with them. I would > really appreciate feedback from the patrons of > this discussion group. Any ideas, comments, > suggestions are welcome (please suggest a better > name!) The only computer show I attended was the World of Commodore in San Francisco in 1987, since then most of the shows have been feeding frenzies for developers and not at all interested in the computer classics. I would attend and I'm sure I could get others in the area interested. ---------- From: Doug Spence <ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca> Subject: Re: Old Computer Books (was Re: Pets & Silly Game) > ...But the only PET books this library has are things like > collections of type-in programs for the PET, and books on using the PET in > an educational environment. Nothing good and technical. The technical ones are some of the hardest to locate, some of mine came from a Commodore Group weeding out their library, I bought them via mail. The most PET books I've come across are old college and school textbooks (anyone see "Hands-On BASIC with the Commodore PET?" yuk.) --- Subject: BBSes on old hardware and SuperVIC > (re: VIC-20) I'd put at least 32K in it, with a memory > protection toggle on the RAM so that it could run images of cartridges > from disk. There is a file I think on funet.fi's FTP that describes and internal mod that does just that. :) --- Subject: PETs etc. > If only I could find such things. I suspect that if I took a trip to > Toronto I'd have much better luck in all of my searches for old computer > hardware, software, and books, but the chances of finding PET stuff in > particular would go up a hundred fold. (What with TPUG, the Toronto PET > Users Group, etc.) True, that was a very good Commodore region. > I have a feeling that computer ownership wasn't nearly as common in > Montreal in the early days as it was in most other major North American > cities... I would believe that, I think it depnds on what stores, groups were in the area as well as what computers were first brought in. (Keeping up with the Jones') > (re-piggybacking chips) > Uh... was he looking for data redundancy or something? ;) No he had some dead RAMS and got tired of swapping chips, and figured if he piggybacked two he would at least get one good one out of it. :/ > I intend to write the software on my own, but fast serial routines might > come in handy. I want to at least get 2400bps out of the thing. Most of the BASIC boards I have is up to 1200 baud, I know for 2400 you probably have to tweak the timing registers, cause the computer does not provide decent numbers. > I don't think that'll be a problem for the VIC-20, as it's faster at I/O than the > 64. I'll probably have to put in a lot of RAM, though, to act as buffers > for the slow disk drives. :) There have been a bunch of articles for adding 256k to 1 meg internally to the 64 and bank-switching, not sure if that's possible on the VIC though, they may be adaptable. > Do you mean the music teacher's programs, or the Cursor tapes? :) YES! YES! > I think I have copies of tapes #1 to #8, plus a couple of games from later tapes. > I wish I had the originals... but these were copies made from the high > school music teacher's subscription. :) Mine are also from High School and I can say I have programs from 13 to into the 20s I think. No originals here either *sniff* > Ouranos! is an awesome game, BTW. I had the PET print up the listing and I > intended to port it to the Amiga, but I never got around to it. I don't > think it'd be the same, though, on anything but another PET with glaring > white screen. Weather War II for the Commodore-64 is a re-write of Ouranos! nifty little character graphic castles, SID sound, sprites were used to add some foliage (just for looks) > What's the serial number on that machine? Gotta go to storage and read it... Not in the 'original documentation' envelope. > I have a feeling it's a lot older than this PET. Both of my PETs have quite > ordinary-looking ROMs. > (The one with the mini keyboard has the 1.0 BASIC ROMs, with the '*** > COMMODORE BASIC ***' message and the other one has upgrade ROMs.) My 'calculator keyboard' PET has 1.0 too. I have the schematics and diagnostics for it too... Has been modified with a reset switch has ability to use a skyles add-on keyboard (you have to load and run a program first), and of course, expandamem. > Um... hold it... how are the 4116's arranged? You probably said, but of > course I can't go back into my mailbox to read that while I'm replying to > this one (I knew there was a reason I should my system to do this > locally!). If they're 16K by 4, then that certainly WOULD be more than > 8K. :) I think those are only 8kx1. I did look at my expandamem board and the chips with the plates on them had (c)Mostek written. > (RE: Visible Memory Board deveoped for KIM-1 first.) > Wow, that's incredible. Not only did I not think that PETs that old could > do high-res graphics in any way, but to learn that one could do so on the > KIM-1! I'm flabberghasted. ;) > The KIM is something I'd really like to find somewhere. So would I. > I have this terrible fear, though, of coming across one in some electronic surplus > shop and not recognizing it. :) I had nightmares about coming across an incredible Commodore stash in some store and not having any money. *gasp!* > (re: MTU visible memory ad) > BTW, I'd love a copy of that ad. Send it to: > Doug Spence > 85 Devon Road > Baie d'Urfe, Que. > H9X 2X3 > CANADA Heck I'll toss in some disks full of other goodies too. But don't hold your breath I tend to froget doing things (like mailing stuff) for a spell. ---------- From: "Mr. Self Destruct" <more(a)camlaw.rutgers.edu> Subject: Re: weekend additions > The plus/4 could run *some* very simple basic programs from 64/vic-20 land > but even that was a chore if I remember correctly because of the different > ways the computers "tokenized" basic. I think the main difference was between the 128 and the Plus/4s extended BASIC, but was compatible with the 64. > There was also a "parallel" drive for this > computer (well I think there was) called an SFX-1??? something or other. The parallel one was the 1551; the SFX 1001 was a 1 meg floppy drive the the PET using an IEEE-488 interface (esentally an 8250 with only one disk drive.) ---------- From: "Mr. Self Destruct" <more(a)camlaw.rutgers.edu> Subject: Funky looking mouse and other TCF stuff... >1 CBM 8032 $5 > (this things got some kind of memory board that plugs into the CPU > socket and a parallel interface) Wait a minute here, are you sure it's not a RS-232 interface? It could be an 8032 upgraded to a SuperPET. If it is a SuperPET there would be a 6809 processor as well as the 6502 in there and you have 96k of RAM accessible (via bank switching). Keyboard my have some odd characters on it too (to support the languages it could run such as APL, Fortran, COBOL, etc.) Of course to run the languages you would need the disks and a drive. (I don't have them) Otherwise the daughterboard could be memory to bring it up to 96k (via bank switching) or as I mentioned a visible memory board - the indication for it is that the monitor will plug into the daughter board and then the daughterboard plugs into the motherboard's video output connector. - :) BTW REALLY GOOD PRICE! Larry Anderson P.S. I think I'm gonna start writing a FAQ about the Commodore PET. Will let you guys now when I get it on-line. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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by KFergason＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-04-29 11:22:24 EDT, you write: << Yes, I realized that. The PDP-8 and PDP-11 are definitely worthy of mention, but did they really make the impact and have significance equal to the Altair and the others? I'm sure you could argue to that effect. Care to? >> someone can correct me if necessary, but weren't the first PDP's pretty "important" in that respect? Suddenly, universities could have their own systems. or maybe I am dreaming, mixing stories from various books. Kelly

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by jeffh＠eleventh.com

On 29-Apr-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote: >I'll second his nomination, and with great trepidation add Jay Miner to >the list. :) I think Jay Miner is definately worthy of inclusion since he did much of the design of the Atari 8bit machines, such as the 400/800, and he is generally considered the father of the Amiga line. Out of curiosity, is anyone willing to nominate Jack Tremiel? <sp?> Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, and Mega-ST/2, Commodore C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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Wanted: Co-Proponent for RFD rec.collecting.computers.c

by idavis＠comland.com

>generate printed copies of the mag from it. PLus HTML is "free" wheras >printed copies would need a modest fee, means for collecting this, places >to print, etc. I agree with Les, start with an electronic form, then maybe move to print. I am on a limited computer budget to begin with, I would hate to reduce it any further, I might miss that big find I have been looking for. I would like to see some program listings for various machines and various languages included. I learned more from magazine program listings than I did from anywhere else. I still use program listings to divine tips and tricks. Besides, it is interesting to see program listings for other machines, and see if anything applies to a machine I am using. I am sure all of us have some programs for our machines that we could clean up and submit for inclusion, and no worries about copyright violations if we wrote them, not to mention just having some valuable information available for the taking. Plus as we add to our collections, finding program listings will give us a place to start with a new unknown machine. I actually tell people that we used to get programs in magazines, and typed them in sometimes for days at a time, and they laugh and me and think I am pulling their leg. Just be sure and include program listings. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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CLASSICCMP digest 39

by classicjr＠juno.com

Is this list still active? I haven't received any digests for several days. Please continue my subscription.

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Australian computers...

by kevan＠motiv.co.uk

Hi, In mid June I will be travelling to Australia and while I am there it would be nice to pick up some classic computers. So my question is, are there any home computers that were mainly found in Australia? I know of the System-80, which I know as a Video Genie (a TRS-80 clone), and I think the Microbee also originates from Australia. All information will be gratefully recieved. -- Kevan Old Computer Collector: http://staff.motiv.co.uk/~kevan/ PS. I may be able to squeeze in some small UK items to trade so let me know if you are interested and are in Brisbane or Sydney.

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Weekend Finds

by idavis＠comland.com

I went on a little shopping spree this weekend, and actually managed to find some stuff this weekend. It seems every garage sale in the north Austin area is nothing but junk, but I finally managed to find a little place with some of everything. I asked the guy if they had any atari stuff, joysticks or games, and he told me to follow him to the back. He had a box full of joysticks, and other assorted junk. I picked up the box and some other carts for my 2600 for $40. When I got home, I dug every thing out, and this is what I found. 1) Odessey2 with joysticks attached. But no power supply. Anyone know the voltage and polarity for this old thing? Of course no cartridges either, but maybe next time. 2) Mattel Aquarius with box, manual, and cassette cables and software. 3) About 20 atari 2600 carts, most of them were ones I had been looking for like air/sea battle. I don't really want to collect rare carts, just the ones I had when I was a kid. 4) Coleco Gemini Video Game System. It plays atari 2600 cartridges, and it turns on, but the screen stays black. No clue, and I don't really have the electronic equipment or knowledge to fix it. I might let my dad check it out. He's a radar technician with a lot of equipment. Maybe I should get him to teach me. 5) An 8-track tape - Spotlight the greatest hits of Gene Pitney, Del Shannon, and Tommy Roe. I'm debating whether or not to dig out the 8-track player. 6) Assorted pile of power supplies. They look like they are for assorted answering machines. 7) An Atari 1010 cassette recorder. 8) A piece of telephone testing equipment I think. Has a switch (tone, off, pulse), a telephone plug, and two wires with alligator clips. I think it's for tracing telephone wires. 9) A pile of Atari joysticks, a coleco joystick, and a couple of various cartridges for assorted systems, none of which I own. Maybe that's the incentive I need. "I've got a cartridge honey, I could really use this old obsolete computer to make sure it works. You don't want to see this cartridge go to waste do you dear??" All in all it was a decent haul for me. This place is only open for 6 hours on the first saturday of the month, so I was lucky to even get in the place. I saw a ti-99/4a, but already spending $40 was pushing it for me. Maybe next month I will get to the back again and dig for more treasure. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

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Battery Leakage... Solution?

by starling＠umr.edu

Well... after a bit of searching, I've found a solution on www.flippers.com, a pinball homepage. The guy there says to remove all corrosion and then neutralize the alkali with a 50/50 solution of white vinegar and distilled water, scrub with toothbrush, rinse in distilled water, and then dry with a hairbrush. This sound feasible or is it a bad idea? thanks!

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PCB Corrosion?

by starling＠umr.edu

Last weekend I aquired an Apple Lisa 2/5 (finally!!), however the NiCad batteries that backed up the system clock have corroded and leaked all over the IO board and the backplane/motherboard (system uses a nifty CPU-on-card design like the OLD computers). Does anyone have any magic solutions to removing the green gunk from the printed circuit boards and components? I'm wanting to remove the stuff and preserve the system from further corrosion. (and yes, I am taking out those damn things) The green gunk has messed up one of the card slots so the IO card doesn't go. I plan to clean that out using one of those Nintendo cartridge slot cleaners (little card/pad thingy that you put stuff on and insert into slot). That'll get her running again for a while... but I really need all the gunk off and the corrosion STOPPED. any ideas that help save my Lisa would be greatly appreciated! chris starling

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Weekend Finds

by COAKLEY＠AC.GRIN.EDU

> 1) Odessey2 with joysticks attached. But no power supply. Anyone know the > voltage and polarity for this old thing? Of course no cartridges either, > but maybe next time. There's an Odyssey^2 FAQ at http://www.zoomnet.net/~kcassidy/o2faq.html and a old-videogame-power-supply list at http://www.clark.net/pub/vgr/lists/l_power.html One of these ought to have it. HTH, -- Ben Coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley/classic for my classic game page!

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The List! (MORE additions/changes)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

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Apple IIC 3.5 Disk, Modem/printer cable wanted

by josh＠netins.net

I am looking for a 3.5 Disk & the odd DIN-5 modem or printer (Imagewriter I) cable for my newly aquired IIC. Would be willing to set up a trade...have an old tandy Portable Disk Drive 2. If anybody has those, or knows a place on the net' that doesn't charge +$50 for an old drive, please let me know! If there is a better place to post this, please let me know! Josh M. Nutzman +----------------------------------------------+ |"Life is like a river, you go with the flow...| | but in the end you usually end up dammed." | | -The Red Green Show | +----------------------------------------------+

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Apple IIC 3.5 Disk, Modem/printer cable wanted

by josh＠netins.net

>I think the DIN-5 cables for your modem and printer are the same ones still >used for the Mac. As for the floppy drive, I'd try looking at >comp.sys.apple2.marketplace. > >That failing, let me know and I'll dredge up the Altech address (it's not >www.alltech.com) - they sell refurbished a2 equipment Well, I have a mac and it uses a ? Mini-DIN 8? Thanks for the suggestion of Altech. I'll look them up! Josh M. Nutzman +----------------------------------------------+ |"Life is like a river, you go with the flow...| | but in the end you usually end up dammed." | | -The Red Green Show | +----------------------------------------------+

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CGL M5 tape

by nickc＠ladyland.demon.co.uk

Hi all... I picked up a CGL M5 and original rubber-keyed 48K Spectrum (complete with V23 modem!) a couple months back for a fiver. The M5 is in very good condition and complete with three cartridges and numerous original manuals all in perfect condition. It also came with a tape which i had a little play with today but i can't get anything but the first program (a screen colour test) to load :-( Looking at the tape it seems like its been through a dodgy tape deck at some stage as the tape itself has a couple of deep grooves in it. So, has anyone got a good tape they could copy for me? For information it's a grey cassette housing with a purple, green and white striped label marked "GAME" at the top and "Baseball, ZAC BANIC" at the bottom on both sides. I'm located in the UK and would happily send you a cheque to cover the cost of a blank tape and postage. TIA...Nick. -- Nick Challoner nickc(a)ladyland.demon.co.uk Aviation photographs at: http://www.ladyland.demon.co.uk "Bother" said Pooh, as he deleted his root directory.

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Another weekend haul, + collection list & wanted list

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

OK, here's what I came up with this weekend: - Atari 800 in *perfect* condition with AC adapter and RF modulator (the latter two in their original boxes), with a full complement of RAM & ROM cards installed, and the original BASIC cartridge. Got this on my first stop! After that it was all gravy. - Three (3) Mattel Aquarius machines (these are quite rare, at least around here--got 3 in one place!! Weird!) with captive power supplies - Timex-Sinclair ZX1000 with RAM expansion pack - Spectravideo SV-328 in original color display box, with data cassette drive, also in original box (I've never actually seen one of these "in the flesh" before) - TI 99/4A original black/silver version, mint, in original color display box, with PS, RF modulator, manuals, etc. replacing my existing TI 99/4A that was all banged up - TI 99/4A original black/silver version with 2 perfect joysticks, voice synthesizer, PS, RF modulator (didn't need the machine itself, obviously, but the whole box worth was only $6) - TI 99/4A *expansion bay* (another rare piece) with flex cable card, RS232 card, 32K RAM card, and disk controller card, with one 5 1/4" floppy drive. Geez, this sucker weighs as much as an S100 bus machine! - TRS-80 Color Computer 1 in mint condition, replacing my existing CoCo1 that had significant wear - Rare Donkey Kong and Moon Patrol Atarisoft carts for the TI 99/4A - Non computer related: Raiders of the Lost Ark on RCA Selectavision CED Videodisc, mint Nothing like another thrift store weekend in the obscure corners of the Seattle/Tacoma/Everett metroplex! Kai ------- Current collection ------- ("for trade" items are, of course, available for trade!) (Want List follows) Computers Altair 8800 with original Altair boards Altair 8800b with original Altair boards, dual 8" drives Altair 8800b (under restoration) Apple II+ with two floppy drives, monitor arch, MS Softcard Apple Macintosh 128 with manuals, carrying case, System 1 Apple Macintosh 512K in original box (for trade) Apple Macintosh 512K (for trade, needs floppy drive) Apple Macintosh Plus (for trade) Atari 800 Atari 800XL with 1010 tape drive and 1050 floppy drive (for trade) Atari 1200XL (for trade) Coleco ADAM with manuals, printer Coleco ADAM Upgrade for Colecovision ("exp unit 3") Commodore PET 2001, original 'chiclet' keyboard version Commodore PET 2001, full size 'graphics' keyboard (for trade) Commodore VIC-20 (original version) in original box Commodore VIC-20 (later version) in original box (for trade) Commodore 64 in original box with 1541 drive in original box Commodore 64 in original box (for trade) Commodore 64 in original box (for trade) Commodore 128 in original box (for trade) Compaq Compaq Cromemco System 3 (rack mount version) with dual 8" IMSAI 8080 with IMSAI CPU, 64K SRAM, CompuPro dual 8" Ithaca InterSystems DPS-1 Kaypro 10 with internal 10MB HD, CP/M, apps Kaypro II Kaypro II (for trade) Mattel Aquarius Mattel Aquarius (for trade) Mattel Aquarius (for trade) Osborne 1 Spectravideo SV-328 Tandy TRS-80 Model 100 w/floppy drive, printer, manuals, case Tandy TRS-80 Model 100 (for trade) Tandy TRS-80 Model 100 (under restoration, for trade) Tandy TRS-80 Color Computer I with floppy drive Tandy TRS-80 Color Computer I (for trade) Tandy TRS-80 Model I with exp interface, 2 floppy drives Tandy TRS-80 Model III with 2 floppy drives Texas Instruments 99/4A in original box, with expansion bay Texas Instruments 99/4A (for trade) Texas Instruments 99/4A (for trade) Timex Sinclair ZX1000 with 4K RAM Expansion Timex Sinclair ZX1000 (for trade) Game Systems Atari 2600 w/2 joysticks, 2 paddles, original manual Atari 5200 w/2 controllers, PS Atari 5200 w/2 controllers, PS (for trade) Atari 5200 w/2 controllers, PS (for trade) Atari Super Pong Coleco Telstar Classic in original box Coleco Telstar Colortron in original box Colecovision w/2 controllers, PS Colecovision w/2 controllers, PS (for trade) Colecovision w/2 controllers, PS (for trade) Fairchild Channel F in original box GCE/Milton Bradley Vectrex with Multicart GCE/Milton Bradley Vectrex (for trade) Mattel Intellivision with Intellivoice module Mattel Intellivision II with Intellivoice module Mattel Intellivision (for trade) Milton-Bradley Microvision Nintendo NES Magnavox Odyssey2 in original box with Multicart Magnavox Odyssey2 in original box (for trade) Magnavox Odyssey2 in original box (for trade) Radio Shack Color TV Scoreboard in original box ------- Want List ------- Apple I Apple II Apple /// Apple Lisa Commodore Amiga 1000 in original box Compucolor II or 8051 Exidy Sorcerer IBM 5100 Portable KIM-1 Processor Tech SOL RCA COSMAC (ELF/VIP) The following in original boxes only: Atari 7800 Colecovision Emerson Arcadia 2001 Magnavox Odyssey (not Odyssey2) Mattel Intellivision RCA Studio II Sega Master System

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by ekman＠lysator.liu.se

Please, Sam. Would you stop using the title "yo" for all your messages? It makes life very difficult for those of us who get the digest version and only read some selected messages. Put something nice and descriptive instead. On a similar note, when someone replies to a digest, don't use the name of the digest as the subject. /Fredrik

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Trade Sun for Atari ST?

by FAIAZMC＠hsd.utc.com

I do not have anything to trade, but are you willing to sell? Mike ---------- From: Paul E Coad To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Trade Sun for Atari ST? Date: Friday, May 02, 1997 9:25PM Someone in LA "Miscellaneous Lists" <lists(a)phx6.phxmedia.com> wanted to trade a Sun 3 for my Atari ST. I have sent a few emails, but have received no response. If you are still interested, contact me via email. If anyone else (in Northern/Central) California would like to trade old Sun/Unix/interesting machines/equipment/software for an Atari ST, let me know. I would prefer not to ship this stuff since it is pretty heavy and fills several cubic feet. --pec ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Here is the list of stuff: 1 Atari 1040STF 3 SH204 Harddisks 1 SF314 Floppy drive 1 SF854 Floppy drive 1 SC1224 Monitor (color) 2 STM1 Mouse 1 Marconi RB2 Trackball 1 Standard Atari joystick There are also a bunch of cables for connecting everything togther, 10 or so magazines, a BASIC manual, 10 or so floppy disks, and what I believe are schematics for the monitor.

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weekend acquisitions 2

by scott＠saskatoon.com

> Superexpander with 3K Ram cartridge ** > > ** This does not look any different from the 8K cartridge. I'm not > sure what the "Superexpander" part really means. It is not the expander > which allows multiple carts to be plugged in at the same time. This is a 3k ram expansion (obviously) plus a ROM with additional BASIC commands to make graphics and sound a bit easier. It also gives the ability to map commands to the function keys. I probably have the manual in a box downstairs. If you really want a photocopy I could get one to you. ttfn srw ------------------------------------------------------------ Walde Techonology http://scott.cprompt.sk.ca Box 7284 finger: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca Saskatoon, SK S7K 4J2 email: scott(a)saskatoon.com CANADA email: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s:+>: a- C++++$ UL++++$ !P L++ E- W+++$ N+ o? K? w$ O- M-- V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP->++ t+ 5 X+ !R tv- b+ DI++++ D+ G e* h r++ y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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The List!

by jeffh＠eleventh.com

>On Thu, 1 May 1997, Bill Whitson wrote: > ================================================================== > MANUFACTURER > MODELCPU RAM OSTYPEYR > ================================================================== > Sinclair Research, Ltd.------------------------------------------- > ZX81 Z80A 1K ?? MICRO 85 Actually, I believe the ZX-81 came out in 1981, as shown below. I bought my Timex-Sinclair in late 1982, if I remember correctly. Also, the documentation that was included with the ZX-81 I have has letters from Sinclair Research dated March 10, 1982, as well as a review of the ZX-81 in Englad dated August 1981. Two interesting things about this: 1) the ZX-81 I have was originally delivered in kit form and still has the assembly diagrams and such; 2) The magazine review, taken from "Personal Computer World" and re-published in "Creative Computing", November 1981, states that at the time, the ZX-81 was available in England but not yet in the U.S. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System, Commodore C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

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by jeffh＠eleventh.com

At 07:38 PM 5/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >> There is a label on the motherboard (which is huge, >> measuring almost 2 feet square) which says "Corona Data Systems" and then >> "200290-512" which I am guessing means it has 512K. > >Corona Data Systems was an early IBM-PC clone manufacturer from >1983 or so. I thought they went out of business when IBM sued >them big time for infringing IBM's BIOS copyright. Sam, Just in case you're interested, I do have the original Corona-specific versions of MS-DOS for their machines, both 1.25 and 2.11. I would think you'd be able to boot it with just about any 5-1/4" boot disk though, as I know of someone that got a new Pentium to boot with the Corona 2.11 disk, so there doesn't seem to be anything odd in the bios calls at boot up. There do appear to be some Corona-specific utilities on them though. Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Collector of Classic Computers: Amiga 1000, Amiga 3000, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari MegaST-2, Commodore C-128, Commodore Plus/4, Commodore VIC-20, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer 3, TRS-80 Model IV Plus Atari SuperPong and Atari 2600VCS game consoles

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by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Lemme see if I can do some work on the Commodore Portion: (I'll leave the updating to one of you folks -please?-) Commodore--------------------------------------------------------- 128C 8502 w/Z80 128K CBMOS MICRO 85 128D 8502 w/Z80 128K CBMOS MICRO 87 BASIC 2.0 & 7.0 64 6510 64K CBMOS MICRO 82 BASIC 2.0 655 Z80 64K CP/M MICRO 83 Never heard of it. Amiga 1000 68000 256K AMIGAOS MICRO 86 1.1, 1.2 Amiga 500 68000 512K AMIGAOS MICRO 86 1.2, 1.3 CBM 3008 6502 8K ?? MICRO ?? CBM 3016 6502 16K ?? MICRO ?? CBM 3032 6502 32K ?? MICRO ?? BASIC 2.0 CBM 4004 6502 4K ?? MICRO 79 I strongly doubt this one, a 4004??? CBM 4008 * 6502 8K ?? MICRO 79 BASIC 2.0 or 4.0 CBM 4016 * 6502 16K ?? MICRO 79 BASIC 2.0 or 4.0 CBM 4032 * 6502 32K ?? MICRO 79 BASIC 2.0 or 4.0 * Should have designation for small or large screen such as FF for Fat Forty (large screen models were alway BASIC 4.0, small screen could be 2.0 or 4.0) CBM 8008? 6502 8K ?? MICRO ?? 8k? I don't think there ever was one... I could be wrong. :/ CBM 8016 6502 16K ?? MICRO ?? CBM 8032 6502 32K ?? MICRO ?? CBM 8032 6502 32K ?? MICRO 79 CBM 8096 6502 96k ?? MICRO ?? CBM 8296 6502 96k ?? MICRO ?? BASIC 4.0 CBM B256-40 ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B500 ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B128-40 ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM P-500 6509/8086 opt. 128k BASIC 4.0 MICRO 82 Should be CBM P-500 Any 'real' ones have been P-500s. I have one. I never read of a B-128 40 or B-256 40. CBM B128-80HP ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B128-80LP ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B256-80HP ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? CBM B256-80LP ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? 6509/8086 opt. 128k BASIC 4.0 There is a 700 But not sure if it is a repeat. Executive 64 6510 64K CBMOS PORT. 83 BASIC 2.0 PET 2001 6502 ?? ?? MICRO 79 4k,8k BASIC1.0 or 2.0 PET 2001B 6502 ?? ?? MICRO 79 PET 2001N 6502 ?? ?? MICRO 79 8,16,32k BASIC 2.0 16 ---- 16K ?? MICRO 84 Plus 4 ---- 64K ?? MICRO 84 8501 BASIC 3.5 CBM SP9000 ?? ?? ?? MICRO ?? SuperPET 6502 & 6809 96K ?? MICRO 81 Same computer^^^^^^^^^^ BASIC 4.0 & MANY Others VIC-20 6502 5K ?? MICRO 81 BASIC 2.0 Additions: Ultimax 6510 4K BASIC 2.0 MICRO 82 Amiga 2000 68000 1,024k ADOS 1.3/2.0 MICRO 86 Amiga 2500 68020 ? ADOS 1.3/2.0 MICRO 8? Amiga 3000 Amiga 600 68000 1,024k ADOS 1.3/2.0 MICRO 8? Amiga 1200 68020 2,048k ADOS 2.0 3.? MICRO Amiga 4000 68030?40? ADOS 2.0 3.? Amiga 4000T 68030?40? ADOS 3.? Commodore PC-10, PC-20, Commodore Colt, etc. IBM clones, (who cares.) Larry Anderson -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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by scott＠saskatoon.com

> On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Sam Ismail wrote: > Altair, Imsai and SWTPC? (Especially the last -- I > prefer Motorola to Intel). OOPS! I have a Motorola-based Altair... (Altair 680) Maybe we can feature it? (Just kidding, but I thought I should point out your slight error.) ttfn srw ------------------------------------------------------------ Walde Techonology http://scott.cprompt.sk.ca Box 7284 finger: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca Saskatoon, SK S7K 4J2 email: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca CANADA email: walde(a)dlcwest.com -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s:+>: a- C++++$ UL++++$ !P L++ E- W+++$ N+ o? K? w$ O- M-- V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP->++ t+ 5 X+ !R tv- b+ DI++++ D+ G e* h r++ y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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by dlormand＠aztec.asu.edu

Some other comments: The Exormacs from Motorola never, as far as I knew, ever ran Unix. It predated the Unix bit. I don't know that the VME/10 ever ran Unix, either. The preferred OS on those machines was VERSAdos. I like VERSAdos, still use it occasionally. Powerful enough to be quite useful, and clunky enough to be interesting! Apparently, there is enough legacy in VERSAdos that a 3rd party has "inherited" the rights and still sells it as a Real-Time Operating System! The CPU in a CC-40 was not a 9900, but rather a TMS7000. Still an interesting processor from my favorite company, Texas Instruments! There were several makes to the 990 mini line, but I'm not familiar with it. Some used discrete logic, some used the 9900 processor chip for the CPU. The OS of choice was DX-10. -- ********************************************** * David Ormand *** Southwest 99ers * * dlormand(a)aztec.asu.edu *** Tucson, Arizona * **************************** TMS9900 Lives! *

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by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

| > - Add: Apple/Tempest TPI 863T milspec Macintosh, 68000, 1986 | Which company actually manufactured it? Apple shipped the internal components to Tempest, who put it in a milspec housing. | > - Add: Apple/Honeywell "Black Apple" custom manufactured Apple II+ | Same as the Bell&Howell black apple or different? Duh! Of course I meant Bell & Howell. | > - Change: Atari Mega machines were the Mega ST (with 1, 2 or 4MB, 1987) | > and the Mega STE (improved, 1991). I've never heard of a "Mega 1" or | > "Mega 2" | This info came from a 1989 Atari price list - as you can imagine I'm | now slightly confused... Did a quick bit of research - the numbers indicate amount of RAM only. The two Megas are the Mega ST and Mega STe (lower case e). | > - Add: Commodore Amiga 2000/3000/4000 (Too new?) | Yeah - I pretty much stick with the 10 years or older guideline. The A2000 was introduced in March 1987 along with the A500, so I guess they're under the wire :) | > - Add: Data General MicroNOVA series, and Data General portable | Probably going to need a little more data... The portable was called the Data General 1. The original MicroNOVA was the MN601 (by PDP-8 designer Edson DeCastro, who came to Data General from DEC). Trivia: Did you know that AViiON is NOVA spelled backwards with an "ii" (signifying 2) in the middle, as in NOVA II ? | > - Add: Intecolor CompuColor II, 8080A, ~1979 | Are you sure that this is not actually one of the listed model | numbers? The CompuColor II was only referred to as such in any ads I ever saw. It was a 13" color display system with a hard-sectored 5 1/4" drive to the right of the monitor, and a keyboard with multicolored keys. Trivia: CompuColor CP/M had no FORMAT, you had to buy formatted diskettes from Intecolor. | > - Change: "Kaypro Corp" should be Non-Linear Systems | I think you're right (as that's what my Kaypros say) but I've seen it also | listed as Kaypro Corp... was there a name change? Kaypro was founded in 1952 as Non-Linear Systems, the first manufacturer of digital voltmeters. Somewhere along the line they changed to Kaypro Corporation, but I don't think they did so until their Chapter 11 in ~1990. Certainly at the time of the Kaypro II, they were still known as Non-Linear Systems. Trivia: Arthur C. Clarke wrote 2010 on a Kaypro II. By the way, now that I think about it, the KIM-1 was by MOS Technologies, which hadn't yet changed their name to Commodore. I don't know how you want to handle that. | > - Add: NorthStar model with built-in monitor (forget the model, Tim | > Shoppa has one) | And I'm sure he'll be popping up sooner or later... North Star Advantage, as Bill kindly pointed out. There was also a similar IMSAI with built-in monitor, I have a catalog at home with the name. Kai

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by ronaldm＠mars.ark.com

> A ][+ running AppleWorks? You're a sadist. Seems to work reasonably well. Think it's probably the RAM card that saves it. > > What kind of voice recog. card do you have? I have one as well but I > can't recall off-hand who the manufacturer is. I'll check it out and get back to you. -Ron Mitchell

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by scott＠saskatoon.com

> By the way, now that I think about it, the KIM-1 was by MOS > Technologies, which hadn't yet changed their name to Commodore. I don't > know how you want to handle that. If I'm not mistaken, both names are on the board. I have a close-up picture of that somewhere... I'll try to dig it out tommorrow. ttfn srw ------------------------------------------------------------ Walde Techonology http://scott.cprompt.sk.ca Box 7284 finger: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca Saskatoon, SK S7K 4J2 email: scott(a)saskatoon.com CANADA email: scott(a)cprompt.sk.ca -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d- s:+>: a- C++++$ UL++++$ !P L++ E- W+++$ N+ o? K? w$ O- M-- V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP->++ t+ 5 X+ !R tv- b+ DI++++ D+ G e* h r++ y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

At 03:58 PM 5/1/97 -0700, you wrote: >Great list! Some additions & changes: ...and yet some more... >- Add: MITS Altair 680, 68000, 1976 Ummm... no. 6800 mpu (not 68000) >- Add: NorthStar model with built-in monitor (forget the model, Tim >Shoppa has one) The NorthStar "Advantage" (I have one too) >- Change: NorthStar Horizons primarily ran NSDOS Interesting... Many I worked with ran OASIS. B^} -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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by dastar＠crl.com

*** Preliminary Announcement *** First Annual Classic Computer Collector Conference Why? Next question... Where? Livermore, California (tentative...actual venue TBD) When? Late Summer 1997 (possibly August) Who? Organizer: Sam Ismail Sponsors: Pending (targeted sponsors will be Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories and other computer manufacturers in the local area and Silicon Valley). What? The Classic Computer Collector Convention is slated to be the premier computer faire to attend to meet with fellow classic computer collector geeks, buy/sell/trade classic computer stuff, exchange classic computer software and classic computer hints and tips, attend workshops on classic computer preservation and restoration, and of course see classic computers. Some show features: Classic Computer Spotlight - every year a legendary system is chosen to be heralded as the classic computer of the year (nominees for the first show are Altair 8800; Apple ][; Commodore PET; ???). Classic Computer Pioneer - every year an individual from the annals of computer lore will be chosen as the Classic Computer Pioneer of the year. This would be someone who had a lasting legacy or made a historical impact on the computer industry, but is not necessarily active anymore (ie. this precludes Bill Gates from qualifying). Nominees: Gary Kildall, creator of CP/M; Steve Wozniak; ??? Classic Computer Museum - A classic museum will be set-up on-site to allow interested public to see what classic computers are all about. Attendees will be encouraged to submit their favorite classics for display during the show. The success of the show will depend on attendance. Admission will be enough to cover the costs of running the show (including lease of the venue, advertising, etc). Although there won't be much of a vending atmosphere (unless people want to haul their stuff from all over the country) space will be sold for such purposes. More details as I come up with them. I would really appreciate feedback from the patrons of this discussion group. Any ideas, comments, suggestions are welcome (please suggest a better name!) IMPORTANT: Please keep this information within this discussion group until the details have been finalized and the show is a go. I don't want to announce to the general public until I am sure this event will take place. Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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