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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:48:21 -0700
From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for a ST419
On 30 Oct 2008 at 10:45, Chris Elmquist wrote:
> I realize that the operating system had individual sector write-ability
> but was that accomplished by read-modify-write of that individual sector
> in a controller buffer and then the entire track rewritten? or did the
> controller sync to the beginning of the specific sector and write it
> in place?
Just that way--like a floppy--there are address marks and sector
headers that mark the beginning of each sector. At least that's the
way most controllers work. Of course, since the data stream from an
ST412 interface is just a raw bunch of pulses, one could record
anything on a track that one wanted, within the electrical limits of
the drive.
Cheers,
Chuck
----------------Reply:
The Cromemco STDC ST506-type controllers are an example of a controller
that *did* format/read/write entire 10K tracks (no physical sectors), with a
four-track cache.
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-- "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
On 30 Oct 2008 at 7:44, Jules Richardson wrote:
>Reminds me of the old Drivetec floppies--formatted with an embedded
>servo, so you didn't dare pick up used ones--they could be erased or
>have errors that would render them useless. I've still got some of
>the old Drivetec/Kodak drives and some media, but I'm not aware of
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Whoa, hold the phone here. Okay, I'm trying to solve a twenty-year-
old mystery. So, you say the media for these drives were made
by Kodak? Did they, per chance, have *triangular* notches in place
of the traditional rectangular ones?
I'm asking, because in 1985 or '86 I was at an electronics scrap
yard in L.A., and saw a *very* large heap of these kinda strange
looking floppy drives. I don't remember too much about them, but
I just remember they looked *weird*. The media was made by Kodak
(something I had never seen before), and the notch on the edge of
the floppy disk was *triangular*. I figured it was some special
media for bio-medical equipment, or for some bizarre photographic
process, or something.
Anyways, I never saw drives (or floppies) like that ever again,
and always wondered about it. They looked brand-new, and the
whole incident sticks out in my mind because I remember the
owner was mad as hell-- apparently he spent a small fortune
on these things, but nobody wanted them because they weren't
'standard'.
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I have ten (yes ten) boxes of FrameMaker v5 for SunOS. Includes
manuals, CDROM, I think even license keys. I only opened one box,
but I assume they're all the same.
If anyone wants all of them, they are free for the cost of
shipping, probably $40 or so. Let me know soon or they hit the
trash. I'm not really interested in breaking them up.
Contact me off-list if interested.
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Port Charlotte, FL
I'm hoping someone can shed light on this. For the past week, I've been
battling to get my Sun Ultra-60 video switchable through a Belkin 8-port
KVM switch. The monitor is a Samsung 214T 20" LCD.
- Connect monitor directly to workstation with a 13W3 Sync-On-Green
adapter (no passthrough of sync signals): Works fine.
- Connect monitor directly to workstation with a 13W3 adapter that brings
out H+V sync: Works fine.
- Connect either of the above to a port on the KVM switch: Switch does
not recognize that anything is connected and refuses to pull in the relay
(I can hear an audible click from any channel with recognized video). The
status LED on the KVM keeps flashing to say "no one there!". Obviously no
video.
- Purchase Belkin Sun adapter box from eBay and connect it between the U60
and the KVM: KVM recognizes that video is there and pulls in the relay.
The monitor _seems_ to believe that something is there, as the blinking
green "nothing attached to me" LED goes solid on. However, nothing ever
appears on the screen. I tried all DIP switch settings on the adapter
(connected to Sun monitor sense lines).
- In desperation, connect monitor directly to HD15 port on the Belkin
adapter: Same thing. Solid green LED, no display.
The same machine worked perfectly through an older 4-port Belkin unit
(that I've outgrown, thus the 8-port).
What on earth am I missing here? I don't even see a common denominator,
but am hoping that someone more familiar with the details of Sun video can
give me a nudge in the right direction.
On the subject of the Belkin KVM: Is it possible that their "detection"
is simply looking for a grounded pin or a pair of pins looped back by
virtue of the computer being connected? Maybe expecting a voltage? If I
could trick it into activating the port, I could just feed through from
the 13W3 adapter and be done with it. Naturally Belkin's site has no
information at this low level of detail...
Steve
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or
ftp bickleywest.com
User: anonymous
Password: your email address
cd ws
Here's the info on the WS bid sale:
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Note that you can FAX you bids to WS. The webpage doesn't say it - but
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I ;-)
Cheers,
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I'm seeking the manual for a Farallon Ether10-T Starlet/16 hub (circa
1994-1995). I'm willing to pay $50 for it. If you have one, please
contact me directly (and immediately).
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Hi folks,
It seems to me that self-hosting 16-bit compilers for old minicomputers
are very thin on the ground. Yet from my viewpoint they are interesting
and worth preserving, because they are a good demonstration of what
could be achieved using fairly limited hardware.
Recently, I've been looking at the Data General RDOS Fortran IV compiler
manual. It seems a very comprehensive version of the language, and it's
actually Fortran '66 with some extensions, and looks very practical.
However, the standard RDOS images for SIMH don't come with the Fortran
compiler, only assembler.
Here are the only two references I've found on the net for the Fortran
IV tapes:
http://www.chookfest.net/nova3/paper-tapes.htmlhttp://www.ludd.luth.se/~ragge/nova/swdocs.html
How easy would it be to get these tapes transcribed; dumped onto an RDOS
disk and made available for SIMH?
-cheers from julz @P
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I am in the market for a known working ST419 MFM disk
System software forces me to the 306 Cyl / 6 Heads format (@ 32 256-byte sectors )
Location : Switzerland .
Jos Dreesen
I will trade off my AlphaServer 8400 for a VAX-11/750.
This is the AlphaServer 8400 current configuration:
8 CPUs = 4*Dual-CPU 300 MHz E2056-DA
4GB Memory = 2*2GB MS7CC-FA
2 KFTIA I/O Modules (4*SCSI / 2*Network) E2054-AA
1 Bus-Terminator E2034-AA
3 48V DC Power Supplies 303379602
3 BA356 StorageWorks SCSI-Boxes
12 DEC SCSI-Drives (RZs)
1 AlphaServer 8400 PCI Box
There are some AlphaServer 8400 spares that will go together with the
computer:
1 48V DC Power Supply 303379602
2 CPUs = 1*Dual-CPU 300 MHz E2056-DA
2GB Memory = 1*2GB MS7CC-FA
1 Bus-Terminator E2034-AA
1 Box BA655-AA
The AlphaServer 8400 is in working condition, but without software and
licenses.
The only known deficiency is that the console CDROM drive (RRD45) does
not open properly, but is nevertheless usable. The condition of the
spares is unknown.
The AlphaServer 8400 system is located in Northern Germany.
What do I expect in return:
- A VAX-11/750 in working order
- 1MB VAX-11/750 memory
- A working VAX-11/750 disk subsystem (controller & drive, any model)
- A DEUNA or DELUA UNIBUS ethernet adapter
All items are negotiable.
The VAX-11/750 will become part of my private collection of VAX
computers and will be used to run VMS version 2, 3 & 4, ULTRIX-32 and
some old UNIX versions.
Regards,
Ulli
(The VAXorcist)
**On /Wed Oct 29 20:33:08 CST 2008/ Glen Slick wrote:
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>On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Jonathan Gevaryahu <jzg22 at drexel.edu <http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk>> wrote:
>>/ Secondly, I cannot source one of those ?locking? Shugart DC power plugs to
/>>/ fit into the connector, the connector which looks like (paste in notepad):
/>>/ _________
/>>/ | |
/>>/ | 0 0 0 |
/>>/ |__ ____|
/>>/ __| |____
/>>/ | |
/>>/ | 0 0 0 |
/>>/ |_________|
/>>/
/>
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>
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>Contact: 60619-1
Thanks! I was looking in the completely wrong place for this part, and I had NO idea what it was called.
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