test-drb October 2016

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Windows 1.0 For DEC Rainbow (mirror of Latrobe ftp anybody ?)

by shadoooo＠gmail.com

Hello, since the messages in May about the MS Windows 1.0 version for DEC Rainbow, I did some research to see if a version is effectively available. It seems that copies of this software are really difficult to find, but a complete copy was available on the latrobe ftp DEC Rainbow archive... which disappeared with all valuable data... Anybody has a copy of the content before the deletion? Anyway, I found a file-by-file copy of it, on this site: https://winworldpc.com/download/62DF4D23-B974-11E4-AC5A-5404A6F17893 For preservation reasons, it would be really better to have an original disk image. Any news about dumping the disks or an ftp archive where they are present? Thanks Andrea

6 years, 11 months

HP 9000/382 Questions

by pete＠petelancashire.com

Hello from a newbie to the list I've just acquired 2 HP 382's with expanders. Have not had the time to look inside them yet. End goal is to set one up as an instrument controller i.e. using the built in GPIB and potentially a 2nd GPIB card. One thing I do not have is a display, keyboard and mouse. A few question Is there a PS/2 or USB (yea long shot) adapter for the HPIL interface ? Does someone have a keyboard/mouse they a not beholding to, or know where there maybe one ? Once I get the opened up and take an inventory, anything I should look out for be trying to power one of them up ? Can one boot to a terminal on the RS-232 port. Until I find a kbd/mouse ? What would be optimum version of HP-UX to run on them ? -pete

7 years, 1 month

Logic Analyser Advice

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

I finally managed to pick up a logic analyser for a price I could justify. It is a HP1630G and it comes with a number of pods. However the pods do not seem to have the actual wires/probes. Is there a separate part number for these that I should look for. There seem to be quite a few items like this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291753390848, are these likely to be suitable alternatives? Thanks Rob

7 years, 1 month

FW: Y Combinator is restoring one of Alan Kay's Xerox Alto machines

by curiousmarc3＠gmail.com

Video of session 6 is up: https://youtu.be/b7yVhMT7tr4 Found our first bad IC. Probably not our last one. On 9/3/16 11:08 PM, curiousmarc3 at gmail.com wrote: Episode 5, still does not boot, but we are starting to follow long why: https://youtu.be/Wr7vDZpniNIr Marc On Jul 31, 2016, at 6:12 PM, CuriousMarc <mailto:curiousmarc3 at gmail.com> <curiousmarc3 at gmail.com> wrote: Next Episode: https://youtu.be/EDw8U1a6s78 http://www.righto.com/2016/07/restoring-y-combinators-xerox-alto-day_31.html Marc From: Curious Marc [mailto:curiousmarc3 at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 2:01 AM To: Curious Marc; cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Y Combinator is restoring one of Alan Kay's Xerox Alto machines Ken's in-depth blog post to go with the previous video http://www.righto.com/2016/07/restoring-y-combinators-xerox-alto-day_11.html On Jul 5, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Curious Marc <mailto:curiousmarc3 at gmail.com> <curiousmarc3 at gmail.com> wrote: Video from yesterday?s work on the Diablo cartridge disc: https://youtu.be/PR5LkQugBE0 Should be up in a few minutes. We were tickled pink to have official representation from PARC (former Xerox Parc) at the session. Marc Ken?s new post on the monitor repair to go with my previous video. http://www.righto.com/2016/07/restoring-y-combinators-xerox-alto-day.html Al Kossow got us a new CRT tube, so we are probably going to try that this week-end. Marc Latest entry from Ken Shirriff, trying out BCPL (ancestor of C). On the emulator, not yet on the real machine: http://www.righto.com/2016/06/hello-world-in-bcpl-language-on-xerox.html Marc There are only two entries right now: http://www.righto.com/2016/06/y-combinators-xerox-alto-restoring.html http://www.righto.com/2016/06/restoring-y-combinators-xerox-alto-day.html Marc

7 years, 1 month

Wanted: AT&T 3B2 systems & software

by lists＠loomcom.com

(n.b.: Sorry for the "wanted" spam from me. I think this is the last one for a while!) I have access to a friend's AT&T 3B2 Model 400 for exploratory and reverse-engineering work, but I would really like to get a system of my own. To that end, if you have an AT&T 3B2 you'd like to part with, please drop me a line. Happy to pay fair market prices, or consider some trades if you prefer that (I have a lot of DEC Qbus stuff) I'm also still looking for more documentation. I especially wish I had schematics, and any docs related to writing drivers. Anything that would be useful in documenting the 3B2 internals would be lovely. Thanks! -Seth

7 years, 2 months

Does anyone have docs for a Ventel brand MD212-plus modem?

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

Hi, All, A friend of mine just returned a modem he got from me decades ago, a Ventel MD212-plus. It's an early-1980s non-AT-command-set autodialling modem. The settings are adjusted via a pair of 10-pin DIP switches accessible from the back. I've checked the web and bitsavers. So far, all I've found is some old Usenet articles and a couple of pictures, but no manual or jumper guide. One "feature" is that it lacks a modular jack to plug into the phone system. Fortunately, my friend kept the proprietary DA15 cable. I've never seen that choice of connectors on any other modem. Does anyone have any Ventel docs? Thanks, -ethan

7 years, 2 months

Flex Disc options for the HP 9825

by curiousmarc3＠gmail.com

Probably a question for Tony's encyclopedic knowledge. I just scored two HP 9825, one a later "T" option and one "B" version with all the fixings (i.e ROM packs). They both seem to work save the usual tape drive which I have not gotten to yet. Both have the flexible disc ROM. What kind of discs can I hook up? I think the HP 9895 8" floppy would work. What about the HP 82901 5.25" floppy drive? How do I read/write program files from the disc interface? Marc Sent from my iPad

7 years, 4 months

UNIBUS/QBUS interface chips Was: Re: MEM11 update

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Pete Lancashire > Do you or someone have a list of all the Unibus bus chips ? I have seen the following bus interface chips used on DEC UNIBUS boards: Drivers: 8881 - Sprague, Signetics - Quad NAND Receivers: 380 - Signetics - Quad NOR 314 - Signetics - 7-input NOR 8815 - Signetics - 4-input NOR 8837 - National Semi - Hex receiver (aka Signetics N8T37) 8640 - National Semi - Quad NOR Transceivers: 8641 - National Semi - Quad transceiver The actal complete part number can vary depending on the manufacturer; e.g. the 8641's are usually DS8641N, from NatSemi, and the 380's are usually SP380A's or SP380N's. Where the basic number is not included (as with the 8T37 for the 8837) I have given it. The following chips have been used by DEC to interface to the QBUS, and I have seen many of the above chips (e.g. 8641's) used there too, so I think chips seen on one bus could be used on the other: Drivers: 7439 - Various - Quad NAND Transceivers: 2908 - AMD - Quad latching transceiver with tri-state output I _believe_ the following chips are also usable as UNIBUS/QBUS interface chips, but I'm not sure if I've seen one used there: Transceivers: 8836 - National Semi - Quad NOR 8838 - National Semi - Quad transceiver (aka Signetics N8T38) Quite a zoo! Noel

7 years, 4 months

Magnetic media FTGH!

by mouse＠Rodents-Montreal.ORG

I've just dug out and inventoried two boxes of magnetic media. A little of it is not mine; a little more is stuff I'd like copies of if I can make it happen. But most of it is just going to leave soon, one way or another. I'd rather see it go to someone who can actually use it, but it is not worth the costs of keeping it around to me. I do not currently have any system on which I can check the contents of any of these (while it's possible I might get one or more set up, I can't count on it, and it's unlikely to happen soon). So, while the labeling might be accurate, it also might not. There are a bunch of TK50s (or something similar; I know there are other, similar, tapes, some similar enough to fool a quick inspection; I didn't look in detail to be sure every one is a TK50). They have labels, some printed, some scribbled, some carefully handwritten. Here, \ indicates a line break. SW/gnu \ Nov 28/91 /usr/local \ 91/10/26 6.0 + 797493 ULTRIX V4.2 \ SUPPORTED SUBSETS \ VOL. 1 ULTRIX V4.2 \ SUPPORTED SUBSETS \ VOL. 2 Sunclock \ 91/11/21 AQ-PE1F0-01 C01 \ DEC FORT ULTRIX V3.2 BIN \ TK50 AQ-PE1F0-01 \ DEC FORT ULTRIX V3.2 BIN \ TK50 ULTRIX V4.2 \ MANDATORY UPGRADE Kermit5A \ 91/11/21 DEC FORTRAN \ V3.0 (crossed out and "obsolete" written in) K2 /usr/local \ 1991/03/14 LOTUS 1-2-3 \ 91/11/19 /usr/users \ 91/10/20 swTeX.tar.Z \ 91/11/02 ULTRIX V4.2 \ UNSUPPORTED SUBSETS There are numerous quarter-inch cartridge tapes (the DC600 formfactor; many are DC600s or DC600As, but some are other sizes/lengths/formats). Some have no label. Three of these have absolutely no label, not even a manufacturer/brand label. Nine more have a brand label but no indication of their contents. One has a printed label which has been ripped off enough that all I'm sure of is that it had the usual boilerplate text for US Government users. Two others have ripped-off labels; on one, all that remains legible is "tix" at the end of a word; the other, I can see enough of a logo to be fairly sure it was an Accelr8 label. Four more have labels that are short and simple enough to fit on a single line: 89/02/22(F) ISC0D0S0 TO BE CHECKED 89/02/17 ISC0D0S0 /files! execlude ./digests & ./misc 90/10/08 cd /files Twenty-six tapes are labeled with just their sizes. These are written in my hand, so I feel fairly sure they are the result of me capcity-testing the tapes: SIZE: 30605 ?512 SIZE: 30643 ?512 SIZE: 30611 ?512 SIZE: 30730 ?512 SIZE: 30730 ?512 SIZE: 114081 ?512 SIZE: 115168 ?512 SIZE: 116769 ?512 SIZE: 118878 ?512 SIZE: 119721 ?512 SIZE: 119870 ?512 SIZE: 119891 ?512 SIZE: 120345 ?512 SIZE: 120352 ?512 SIZE: 120412 ?512 SIZE: 120586 ?512 SIZE: 120741 ?512 SIZE: 120756 ?512 SIZE: 121719 ?512 SIZE: 121722 ?512 SIZE: 121917 ?512 SIZE: 122116 ?512 SIZE: 122343 ?512 SIZE: 122608 ?512 SIZE: 122664 ?512 201796?512 Five more have sticky-notes (one on the box, one on the tape) and a size sticker. I _think_ the 3.5 here refers to version 3.5 or something (SunOS is a likely candidate). -- sticky-note: 3.5 sticky-note: Tape 1 sticker: SIZE: 121372 ?512 -- sticky-note: 3.5 sticky-note: Tape 2 sticker: SIZE: 118586 ?512 -- sticky-note: 3.5 sticky-note: Tape 3 sticker: SIZE: 119293 ?512 -- sticky-note: 3.5 sticky-note: Tape 4 sticker: SIZE: 122624 ?512 -- sticky-note: 3.5 sticky-note: Tape 5 sticker: SIZE: 120216 ?512 -- The rest are a grab-bag: -- NESTAR SYSTEMS INCORPORATED S.O. # INT4406 PLAN 5000 (tm) Boot Utility Tape QIC24 SERIAL # 6050221 SYSTEM RELEASE 5.2 (C) 1982-1986 NESTAR SYSTEMS, INC. -- NESTAR SYSTEMS INCORPORATED S.O. # INT4406 PLAN 000 (tm) PLANPAK # 712 IA BACKUP TAPE QIC SERIAL # 6060238 SYSTEM RELEASE 5 (C) 1982-1986 NESTAR SYSTEMS, INC. -- Nestar Systems, Inc. Subsidiary of DSC Communications Corporation PLAN Series (tm) Boot Uility Tape QIC-24 FS# UPGRADE Star Plus FS Release 1.10 160-12676-002 (c)1982-1988 DSC Nestar Inc -- various indistinct writing; legible bits include: 90/2/19 /FICRSI 90/04/10 DIGEST NeXT, SUN-SPOTS, SUN-386i 92/12/19 -- /HOME/ICH 10/10/90 , 11/17/90, 16/15/90 1/30/91 2/1/91 22.4.91 -- 3/15, 5/8, 7/26 (various further dates and words crossed out) SUG89 (INTERESTING STUFF ONLY) 90/12/16 -- IFUJ1 IFUJ1 90/03/19 TAR HOME/ICH 92/12/10 89/3/8 MPAQUETT 90/04/30 89/5/1 MPAQUETT 90/05/25 (indistinct) / 92/12/08 -- LAB B YEAR END 2/2 -- LAB J A3 MAY 7/93 -- LAB F YEAR END 1/2 -- LAB F YEAR END 1/2 -- LAB F YEAR END 1/2 -- LAB F YEAR END 1/2 -- LAB B YEAR END 1/2b -- LAB B 4 OF 4 LAB B 4 4 HP JAN 15 1993 n/u -- (crossed-out text omitted) ABBOTT INCR DUMP OCT-1-87 4 MAY 87 (1of2) -- NESTAR SYSTEMS INCORPORATED PLAN 1000 (tm) Print Server Version 1.1 IA BACKUP TAPE QIC- 11 P/N 160-12170-002 (C) 1981,1982,1983,1984,1985,1986,1987 NESTAR SYSTEMS, INC. Licensed Program -- SUPERSKETCH REL 6 ? A. PENTLAND 1985,1986,1987 -- LAB B 3 4 HP JAN 15 1993 -- Fall- 8AT LAB B 1 (unclear) End of Semester backup -- Accelr8 DESCRIPTION DCL8 (2,0) EDT8 (2,0) PART NUMBER 8-812-001, 002 RELEASE #: TAPE 1 OF 1 . NUMBER OF FILES BPI SN: 000646 -- (SUN 3.2 SUNBIN EXPORT 68020 logo) 1.4" Tape (boot format), 2 of 4 Part Number: 700-1256-02 Rev. A -- box: KEE 3.1 Genera 7.1 tape: 3.5 EXPORT SUNBIN 68020 1.4" Tape (boot format), 3 of 5 Part Number: 700-1600-02 Rev. A -- 13/3/89 Relax 1of2 LFRL system and saved results -- 13/3/89 Relax 2of2 -- LAB J A2 MAY 7/93 -- LAB F YEAR END 2/2 -- LAB B 2/4 -- LAB J A1 MAY 7/93 -- There are also a bunch of 5?" floppies. 34 of them are unlabeled, possibly completely unused: 9x Sony branded, DSDD 48tpi 6x Sony branded, "MD-2HD" 6x 3M branded, DS, DD, RH, MARK Q 9x BASF branded, 2S/2D 48tpi 4x Unbranded The BASF floppies from the above list are marked as being for sale to government and educational institutions only, not for resale; I don't know whether that has any bearing. Of the remaining floppies, some have labels short enough to be reasonably represented on a single line: QuickBasic 1of3 QuickBasic 2of3 QuickBasic 3of3 FW Macros d|i|g|i|t|a|l branded, unlabeled BACKUP MICROVMS 4.1M 28/28 85/10/28 (scratched out) BACKUP MICROVMS 4.1M 27/28 85/10/28 (scratched out) BACKUP MICROVMS 4.1M 26/28 85/10/28 (scratched out) BACKUP MICROVMS 4.1M 25/28 86/10/28 (scratched out) ?ACKUP ????OVMS 4.1M 6/28 85/10/28 (partially ripped off) BACKUP MICROVMS 4.1M 5/28 85/10/28 BACKUP MICROVMS 4.1M 4/28 85/10/28 BACKUP MICROVMS 4.1M 3/28 85/10/28 BACKUP MICROVMS 4.1M 2/28 85/10/28 BACKUP MICROVMS 4.1M 1/28 85/10/28 BACKUP MICROVMS 4.1M 9/28 85/10/28 BACKUP MICROVMS 4.1M 8/28 85/10/28 BACKUP MICROVMS 4.1M 7/28 85/10/28 MS-DOS boot AG2012 Maxell branded, label ripped off, all that's legible is "FEB85" QuickBasic 1 QuickBasic 2 QuickBasic 3 Network Boot DOS 3.1 There is also a set of original Borland Turbo C diskettes: INSTALL/HELP A2B0427471 INTEGRATED DEVELOPMENT ENVIRONMENT COMMAND LINE/UTILITIES LIBRARIES HEADER FILES/LIBRARIES EXAMPLES/BGI/MISC and two sets of six which appear to be working copies of the above. There are three Microsoft-branded floppies: Microsoft Mouse Setup/Mouse Menus 1 Microsoft Paintbrush Program/Mouse Menus 2 Microsoft Paintbrush Utilities Disk and two that don't fit any of the above: -- label partially ripped off: remaining text is BL-N639C-BH P/OS HARD DIS DISPATCH VOLUME LABEL "PROD 1983 ? Digital Equipmen -- BitFax for Windows V2.08A (01/25/93) BitCom Deluxe with MNP5 v5.1 (06/20/91) -- This is all in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. In general, I suck at getting things shipped; local pickup, either in person or by proxy, is much preferred. I can try to find the round tuits to ship, but it's usually a losing proposition (I have at least two boxes of stuff that have been awaiting shipment for months at this point). /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse at rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B

7 years, 4 months

tumble under BSD

by aek＠bitsavers.org

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever gotten Eric Smith's tumble pdf creation program running under any version of BSD? I ran into a problem porting it to OS X, in the way it used rewind() and was wondering if anyone else ran into that on other BSDs

7 years, 5 months

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