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Another original Apple I sells for an insane amount

by tothwolf＠concentric.net

Vintage Apple-1 Sells for Record $671,400 http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/25/vintage-apple-1-sells-for-record-6… Whoever bought the thing from Mr. Hatfield earlier this year really should be ashamed of himself. I for one hope someone out there could at least send Mr. Hatfield one of the Apple I replicas.

11 years, 1 month

My Epson TF-20 booting (but not on YouTube)

by fjkraan＠xs4all.nl

On 2013-05-31 20:50, ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote: > > Have you looked at the hardware and the system tracks on the disk? This > thing, for all it claims to be the disk drive for the HX20, etc, is > actually a full Z80-based computer running something very close to CP/M > (!). I often wonder how hard it would be to use it as such (there's a > second serial poot too, if you need it). Yes. fasinating. I am trying to disassemble it, but started with the boot ROM. The TFDOS as it is called, will be next. As it has everything; enough RAM, disk controller, serial port, there should be no reason why it should not work. I might try it, maybe even before retirement ;-). With the information in "The Programmer's CP/M Handbook" it should be no problem. > > -tony > Fred Jan

11 years, 1 month

DEC collectors--input needed

by sales＠elecplus.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:DEC_hardware If I send this entire list to the recyclers to watch out for, which items on this list of 73 things are NOT wanted? Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 (830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax AOL IM elcpls _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6369 - Release Date: 05/30/13

11 years, 1 month

HP C8000 HP-UX

by mnusa2＠hotmail.com

Hello to all HP-UX fans. I got one HP C8000 but my 2003 HP-UX 11i.v1 CD fails to install. Can anybody inform me where to get the proper version? HP workstations are licensed to run HP-UX so that should not be an issue as far as I know. Download of image would be all that is needed. BR, Matti > From: cctalk-request at classiccmp.org > Subject: cctalk Digest, Vol 118, Issue 2 > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 06:28:54 -0500 > > Send cctalk mailing list submissions to > cctalk at classiccmp.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cctalk-request at classiccmp.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cctalk-owner at classiccmp.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of cctalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: OT: rubber drive belts (Jules Richardson) > 2. Re: MSBBC - Re: Next box with 1991 web page(s) password > protected (Liam Proven) > 3. Re: UK, Scotalnd, and Ireland reyclers (Sander Reiche) > 4. Re: DEC collectors--input needed (Sander Reiche) > 5. Re: [cctalk] Re: DEC collectors--input needed (Dave McGuire) > 6. Re: DEC collectors--input needed (Philipp Hachtmann) > 7. Re: Atari Dump to be excavated? (Martin Goldberg) > 8. Re: Still looking for a home - RA81 parts (Alan Perry) > 9. Re: Atari Dump to be excavated? (Liam Proven) > 10. Re: Atari Dump to be excavated? (mc68010) > 11. Casetek 1018 rails wanted (TeoZ) > 12. Re: [cctalk] Re: pdp11/93 mod (Jules Richardson) > 13. Re: Spec of Motorola 7339 Transistor (Tony Duell) > 14. Re: OT: rubber drive belts (Tony Duell) > 15. Re: My Epson TF-20 booting (but not on YouTube) (Tony Duell) > 16. Re: My Epson TF-20 booting (but not on YouTube) (Fred Jan Kraan) > 17. RE: Spec of Motorola 7339 Transistor (Robert Jarratt) > 18. Re: OT: rubber drive belts (Chuck Guzis) > 19. Re: [cctalk] Old UNIX Systems (Tothwolf) > 20. Re: [cctalk] Old UNIX Systems (Jochen Kunz) > 21. Re: [cctalk] Old UNIX Systems (Mouse) > 22. Re: [cctalk] Old UNIX Systems (Cory Smelosky) > 23. Re: Another original Apple I sells for an insane amount > (randy at randy.kindig.name) > 24. HP-85A/B display and power supply schematics? (Craig Ruff) > 25. Re: [cctalk] Old UNIX Systems (Tothwolf) > 26. Re: [cctalk] Old UNIX Systems (Mouse) > 27. Re: pdp11/93 mod (Holm Tiffe) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 11:12:12 -0500 > From: Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: OT: rubber drive belts > Message-ID: <51AA1D5C.70908 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed > > On 05/31/2013 10:29 AM, Rich Cini wrote: > > I get my belts at turntableneedles.com. They have a wide selection of belts and a good cross reference. > > > > Oh, and they carry turntable needles too. > > :-) Thanks, they look useful. This is an old Admiral unit (good ol' 70's > styling, and dreadful internal build quality!) and things are hampered by > the fact that they seemed to re-use the model number for a later turntable, > making searches difficult. > > Because the drive pulley is crowned I can't use their string method, but > I'll be able to get calipers on the pulleys and work out the belt length > using their diameters and distance between them. > > cheers > > J. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 18:14:22 +0100 > From: Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: MSBBC - Re: Next box with 1991 web page(s) password > protected > Message-ID: > <CAMTenCEQ8NLotH1MAhzHYmVx=LBTYdzZp0N8piMOv4m_rUYP9Q at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > On 25 May 2013 02:48, Toby Thain <toby at telegraphics.com.au> wrote: > > On 24/05/13 9:18 PM, Liam Proven wrote: > >> > >> On 25 May 2013 02:09, Toby Thain<toby at telegraphics.com.au> wrote: > >>> > >>> The BBC has been thoroughly infiltrated by ex-Microsoft executives, in a > >>> very quiet takeover that few Britons have apparently noticed. > >> > >> > >> > >> I heard - today, actually - that the ex-'Softie boss just got fired. > >> There's some hope. > >> > > > > There isn't just one, but that's a start. :) > > True enough, but as you say... :?) > > "BBC abandons ?100m digital project" > "John Linwood, the BBC's chief technology officer, has been suspended." > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22651126 > > Also see: > http://www.cio.co.uk/news/cio-career/bbc-cto-john-linwood-suspended-over-10… > > -- > Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile > Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven > MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven > Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 20:21:16 +0200 > From: Sander Reiche <sander.reiche at gmail.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: UK, Scotalnd, and Ireland reyclers > Message-ID: > <CACStewYDiS1GPpgKbr+z-zzj4bWHT3s+X1fGqatQmp3G=4tbVg at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Do you know of any companies like this in the Netherlands that might be > persuaded as well? > > Kind regards, > > Sander Reiche > the Netherlands > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus < > sales at elecplus.com> wrote: > > > For those of you looking for recyclers in the UK where you might be able to > > scrounge, or ask them to save interesting bits, please take a look at this > > company. They caught my interest because they exclusively employ > > disabled/disadvantaged workers. Nice to see a company that helps others > > out! > > > > About Haven Recycle > > Haven Recycle is a social enterprise based in Glasgow which runs a Waste > > Electrical & Electronic Equipment (WEEE) recycling and asset recovery > > operation. We are part of the Rehab Recycle group, servicing a number of > > large public and private sector organisations including Dell, Microsoft and > > the NHS. > > > > The services we offer include removal and disposal of all waste electrical > > equipment, secure data destruction both on and off site, office clearouts, > > asset recovery and re-marketing. We will seek to achieve maximum value from > > your waste material, with the absolute minimum going to landfill. The aim > > being wherever possible to reuse, and recycle all Waste Electrical and > > Electronic Equipment. All work undertaken is fully compliant with all > > relevant legislation, and carried out to the highest possible standards > > demanded by the market. > > > > While operating as a business, Haven Recycle is also a social enterprise; > > our unique attribute being that the majority of our highly skilled and > > comprehensively trained workforce comprises of disabled and disadvantaged > > adults. We carry out ongoing programmes of training and integration to > > ensure that all our work is carried out to the highest possible standards > > demanded by the market, and our impressive client list is a testament to > > this. As such our customers can contribute significantly to their Corporate > > Social Responsibility (CSR) simply by engaging Haven Recycle as a supplier. > > Specialties > > WEEE Recycling, Asset Recovery, Information Security Management, Corporate > > Social Responsibility, Data Destruction - on & off site, CESG Approved Data > > Erasure - on & off site, ISO 9001 accredited, ISO 14001 accredited, SEPA > > Waste Management License: WML/L/1099035 > > . Headquarters 6 - 8 Watt Road Hillington Park Glasgow, G52 4RY > > United Kingdom > > . Website http://www.havenrecycle.co.uk > > . Industry Renewables & Environment > > . Type Nonprofit > > . Company Size 11-50 employees > > . 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Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote: > > > a really low-end VAXstation 3100 > > > Hey, watch it, buddy! ;) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 14:35:17 -0400 > From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: [cctalk] Re: DEC collectors--input needed > Message-ID: <51AA3EE5.9010808 at neurotica.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 06/01/2013 02:28 PM, Sander Reiche wrote: > >> a really low-end VAXstation 3100 > > > > > > Hey, watch it, buddy! ;) > > Them's FIGHTIN' WORDS! > > -- > Dave McGuire, AK4HZ > New Kensington, PA > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 20:38:03 +0200 > From: Philipp Hachtmann <hachti at hachti.de> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: DEC collectors--input needed > Message-ID: <51AA3F8B.5080505 at hachti.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Am 31.05.2013 19:53, schrieb Tom Gardner: > > > Not on the list are the RP01, RP02 and/or RPR02 disk drives made by Memorex > > for DEC. > > Oh: Does anybody have some cartridges for my RP02 and RP03 drives?!? > > Regards, > > Philipp > > > > > -- > > > Dipl.-Inf. (FH) Philipp Hachtmann > Buchdruck, Bleisatz, Spezialit?ten > > Alemannstr. 21, D-30165 Hannover > Tel. 0511/3522222, Mobil 0171/2632239 > Fax. 0511/3500439 > hachti at hachti.de > www.tiegeldruck.de > > UStdID DE 202668329 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 07:18:41 -0500 > From: Martin Goldberg <wgungfu at gmail.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Atari Dump to be excavated? > Message-ID: > <CAE5DTME_YvSkyP4_Qr2LU-q1eB28bXXX+0KkJaZ-z1FV==pWdQ at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > This is a non-issue publicity stunt. We already cleared that up in our > book "Atari Inc. - Business Is Fun" released last fall, going by > direct interviews and actual internal documents. > > There were never thousands of ET games buried in Alamorgodo, that's a > myth that sprung up later and was also never once mentioned by the > actual press articles of the time. The dump there was simply a > clearing out of Atari's Texas manufacturing plant as it transitioned > to automated production methods and a focus on personal computer > manufacturing. It had previously been one of the main plants for > manufacturing of game cartridges and other hardware, and game > manufacturing was being moved overseas to China. > > As part of the transition the unused cartridge stock of a group of > titles (not just E.T.), console parts and computer parts were all > dumped there in New Mexico. It was covered in detail by the Alamogordo > press at the time as well, and is just such a non-mystery that I'm > surprised by all this. > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:46 PM, John Foust <jfoust at threedee.com> wrote: > > > > "This week, Canada-based game developer Fuel Industries got approval > > from the city of Alamogordo, New Mexico, to excavate the site of the > > so-called Atari Dump -- a desert landfill where the famous video > > game manufacturer Atari buried hundreds of tons of broken and > > outdated merchandise in 1983." > > > > <http://westerndigs.blogspot.com/2013/05/new-mexicos-atari-dump-midden-of-vi…>http://westerndigs.blogspot.com/2013/05/new-mexicos-atari-dump-midden-of-vi… > > > > - John > > > > > > -- > Marty > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 09:05:11 -0700 > From: Alan Perry <aperry at snowmoose.com> > To: cctech at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Still looking for a home - RA81 parts > Message-ID: <51AA1BB7.8080503 at snowmoose.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 5/31/13 6:21 AM, Michael Thompson wrote: > > Is the optical sensor still on the bottom of the HDA? > > The RICM has a bunch of RA81 drives that don't generate the pulses from the > > spindle sensor. > No, the HDA was stripped bare. > > I do have the spindle. > > I also have 3 RA82s and another RA81 (that goes to Dave McGuire once we > figure out how to get it there without hurting it (within his budget)). > > alan > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 20:37:32 +0100 > From: Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Atari Dump to be excavated? > Message-ID: > <CAMTenCEM3O8feL260CWpJyG1AcVjC4QwPJeKE9p+poXgm4J5+w at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > On 1 June 2013 13:18, Martin Goldberg <wgungfu at gmail.com> wrote: > > This is a non-issue publicity stunt. We already cleared that up in our > > book "Atari Inc. - Business Is Fun" released last fall, going by > > direct interviews and actual internal documents. > > > > There were never thousands of ET games buried in Alamorgodo, that's a > > myth that sprung up later and was also never once mentioned by the > > actual press articles of the time. The dump there was simply a > > clearing out of Atari's Texas manufacturing plant as it transitioned > > to automated production methods and a focus on personal computer > > manufacturing. It had previously been one of the main plants for > > manufacturing of game cartridges and other hardware, and game > > manufacturing was being moved overseas to China. > > > > As part of the transition the unused cartridge stock of a group of > > titles (not just E.T.), console parts and computer parts were all > > dumped there in New Mexico. It was covered in detail by the Alamogordo > > press at the time as well, and is just such a non-mystery that I'm > > surprised by all this. > > > Please bottom-quote. It's dead easy in Gmail, even in "new compose" - > just press Ctrl-A to "select all" then trim & reply beneath. > > Anyway, reading between the lines, it seems clear where all those ETs > went, anyway. > > Area 51. > > > -- > Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile > Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven > MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven > Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 12:43:06 -0700 > From: mc68010 <mc68010 at gmail.com> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Atari Dump to be excavated? > Message-ID: <51AA4ECA.4050909 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 6/1/2013 5:18 AM, Martin Goldberg wrote: > > This is a non-issue publicity stunt. We already cleared that up in our > > book "Atari Inc. - Business Is Fun" released last fall, going by > > direct interviews and actual internal documents. > > > > There were never thousands of ET games buried in Alamorgodo, > <snip> > > > > As part of the transition the unused cartridge stock of a group of > > titles (not just E.T.), console parts and computer parts were all > > dumped there in New Mexico. > > > So, there were or there weren't ET cartridges and such dumped there ? > Are you only arguing the number of ET cartridges ? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 15:44:20 -0400 > From: "TeoZ" <teoz at neo.rr.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Casetek 1018 rails wanted > Message-ID: <68B744A8C55A499AA0E3D73A550A938D at TeoPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Anybody in the US happen to have spare drive rails for a Casetek 1018 case? The 3.5? ones are model 1018205 and the 5.25? ones are 1018202. If so let me know what you have an how much you want for them. > > Thanks > > TZ. > > P.S. I hate custom mounting rails in cases. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 14:50:50 -0500 > From: Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: [cctalk] Re: pdp11/93 mod > Message-ID: <51AA509A.7070307 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed > > On 05/30/2013 01:25 PM, Sridhar Ayengar wrote: > >> An F11 chipset clocked at 16GHz...it'd turn into a fireball. ;) > > > > Nah. Just cool it with superfluid helium. > > Run it in a bath of whale oil. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 20:24:40 +0100 (BST) > From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Spec of Motorola 7339 Transistor > Message-ID: <m1UirPy-000J4ZC at p850ug1> > Content-Type: text/plain > > > Don't worry, I wouldn't be so rash as to short the fuses. I know Farnell > > have them but I don't currently have enough to warrant an order from them, > > for one of the fuses Farnell only had US stock. I could pop into RS in the > > I am suprised about that. I thought the fuses in a Model 33 were all common > types that you coudl get almost anywhere. What is this difficult-to-get one? > > > morning to save on shipping (can't remember if they open Saturday morning, > > can't check now because their web site seems to be down for maintenance). I > > did look at Maplin as well but they did not have what I need. I'll take a > > look at Cricklewood too > > ricklewood are useful to me becuase they're near enough for me to go > there and pick u pthe bits I need. Very useful when I've run out of > 74LS00s or something. I am not sure I;d use them for mail orde -- not > that I don't trunt them, I certainly do, but if I am going to go to the > toruble of making and order nad waiting for it to come I might as well go > to Farnell. > > -tony > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 20:57:36 +0100 (BST) > From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: OT: rubber drive belts > Message-ID: <m1Uirvq-000J4eC at p850ug1> > Content-Type: text/plain > > > Because the drive pulley is crowned I can't use their string method, but > > I'll be able to get calipers on the pulleys and work out the belt length > > using their diameters and distance between them. > > Reminds me of soemthing I wrote i nthe HPCC magazine when I described how > to repair the HP9810/HP9820 internal card reader. The belt on that is a > simpe O-rign running on grooved pulleys > > Toe find the size of the O-ring, I said that a practical person would run > a bit of string round the pulleys, mark it and measure it. A calculator > hacker would measure the diameter of the pulleys and the spacing between > the spinles and use the belt length program in the HP67 or HP41 > Mechancial Engnieering Pac. As I then went on to say, I am both, so I > did both. Fortuantely the answeres agreed to within the accuracy of the > measurements. Even more fortuately that size of O-ring works in the reader. > > -tony > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 20:31:36 +0100 (BST) > From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) > To: fjkraan at xs4all.nl (Fred Jan Kraan) > Cc: cctech at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: My Epson TF-20 booting (but not on YouTube) > Message-ID: <m1UirWg-000J4cC at p850ug1> > Content-Type: text/plain > > > > > On 2013-05-31 20:50, ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote: > > > > > > > > Have you looked at the hardware and the system tracks on the disk? This > > > thing, for all it claims to be the disk drive for the HX20, etc, is > > > actually a full Z80-based computer running something very close to CP/M > > > (!). I often wonder how hard it would be to use it as such (there's a > > > second serial port too, if you need it). > > > > Yes. fasinating. I am trying to disassemble it, but started with the > > boot ROM. The TFDOS as it is called, will be next. > > I asusme you have a dump of the boot ROM? If not I think I can find it. > > > As it has everything; enough RAM, disk controller, serial port, there > > should be no reason why it should not work. I might try it, maybe even > > before retirement ;-). With the information in "The Programmer's CP/M > > Handbook" it should be no problem. > > It should eb fairly easy. There's absolutely nothign custum on there. All > standard chips, easy to get data sheets for them. A schematic exists, so > figurign ot uthe addresses of the I/O devices is not hard either. > > I have never looked, there is that second serial port at TTL levels (th > TXDB and RSDB piads on the serial daughterboard). Does anything ever come > out of there in normal operation? > > -tony > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 23:12:25 +0200 > From: Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan at xs4all.nl> > To: Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > Cc: cctech at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: My Epson TF-20 booting (but not on YouTube) > Message-ID: <51AA63B9.40203 at xs4all.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 2013-06-01 21:31, Tony Duell wrote: > > >> > >> Yes. fasinating. I am trying to disassemble it, but started with the > >> boot ROM. The TFDOS as it is called, will be next. > > > > I asusme you have a dump of the boot ROM? If not I think I can find it. > > Yes, I have it: > http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/comp/tf20/TFX.zip > > > > > It should eb fairly easy. There's absolutely nothign custum on there. All > > standard chips, easy to get data sheets for them. A schematic exists, so > > figurign ot uthe addresses of the I/O devices is not hard either. > > > > I have never looked, there is that second serial port at TTL levels (th > > TXDB and RSDB piads on the serial daughterboard). Does anything ever come > > out of there in normal operation? > > Only this evening I realized, based on your remark on the extra serial > port, that channel A is used for both host (HX-20) and 2nd TF-20 and > channel B is not used. So connecting my TTL-to-USB to the TXDB and RXDB > and boot the TF-20: alas no output or any reaction to Enter, Esc or Ctrl-C. > By now I know the boot ROM does initialize channel B, but does not write > to it. Apparantly TFDos doesn't either. > > > > -tony > > > > Fred Jan > > P.S. The boot ROM disassembly so far: > http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/comp/tf20/TFX.asm > > P.P.S.S. The movie I made of the SD-321 voice coil on the exerciser: > http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/comp/tf20/sd-321_stepping.mpeg > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 22:28:17 +0100 > From: "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> > To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: RE: Spec of Motorola 7339 Transistor > Message-ID: <00d001ce5f0e$f0418650$d0c492f0$(a)ntlworld.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk- > > bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tony Duell > > Sent: 01 June 2013 20:25 > > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > > Subject: Re: Spec of Motorola 7339 Transistor > > > > > Don't worry, I wouldn't be so rash as to short the fuses. I know > > > Farnell have them but I don't currently have enough to warrant an > > > order from them, for one of the fuses Farnell only had US stock. I > > > could pop into RS in the > > > > I am suprised about that. I thought the fuses in a Model 33 were all > common > > types that you coudl get almost anywhere. What is this difficult-to-get > one? > > I just realised that perhaps Maplin do have some of what I want, it is that > they aren't listed as 32mm, but as 1.1/4. But they don't have the 375mA one > (although my machine actually had a 315ma one, but Maplin don't have that > either), the nearest is 250mA. > > Regards > > Rob > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 17:35:32 -0700 > From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: OT: rubber drive belts > Message-ID: <51AA9354.8080407 at sydex.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > If you're looking for small quantities of replacement belts, check out > the eBay seller "isellprojectorbelts". He's got quite an inventory. > > If it's a "price is no object" affair, try > > http://www.bpbincorporated.com/about.htm > > Their minimum order is about $125, but they can make belts to order. > > --Chuck > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 22:27:09 -0500 (CDT) > From: Tothwolf <tothwolf at concentric.net> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: [cctalk] Old UNIX Systems > Message-ID: > <alpine.DEB.2.00.1306012207170.2493 at brioche.invalid.domain> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Sat, 1 Jun 2013, Liam Proven wrote: > > On 30 May 2013 21:19, Tothwolf <tothwolf at concentric.net> wrote: > > > >> Memory wise, the kernel isn't /too/ bad, but userspace stuff, both > >> memory and disk wise, modern Linux distributions are /terrible/. > > > > Not *all* of them. Have you tried TinyCore? > > > > http://www.tinycorelinux.net/ > > > > The base system is about 12MB: > > http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=tinycore > > > > There's a text-only 8MB version: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Core_Linux > > It isn't quite what I'm looking for. I've yet to find a currently > maintained Linux distribution that does what I need and isn't bloated in > userspace. I'm looking more for what a Linux distribution once was in the > late 1990s, with full (advanced) networking support, plus normal network > services, and still have a small userspace footprint (and low memory > usage). A GUI is non-essential and for both space and security reasons > (note all the recent X and X-libraries security bulletins) and I'd prefer > to be able to leave it out completely in many applications. > > Are there /any/ currently maintained Linux distributions out there these > days that are geared towards embedded use where they don't blindly assume > multiple GB of memory and drive space? Surely I'm not the only one looking > for something like this? > > The lack of i386 support with TC isn't very encouraging, either (they > state i486 as a minimum, which is the same as modern Debian, et al.) I > have boxes upon boxes of i386 stuff and I'd hate to at some point have to > create a separately maintained fork of the Linux kernel just to keep them > supported (everything from Intel 80386SX-16 to AMD 386DX-40, with and > without FPUs). The idea of using either an obsolete (and likely > unmaintained) Linux kernel or MS-DOS on them isn't terribly appealing. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 09:28:00 +0200 > From: Jochen Kunz <jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: [cctalk] Old UNIX Systems > Message-ID: > <20130602092800.442600524b1bb31be2b5584f at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Sat, 1 Jun 2013 22:27:09 -0500 (CDT) > Tothwolf <tothwolf at concentric.net> wrote: > > > I'm looking more for what a Linux distribution once was in the > > late 1990s, with full (advanced) networking support, plus normal network > > services, and still have a small userspace footprint (and low memory > > usage). A GUI is non-essential and for both space and security reasons > > (note all the recent X and X-libraries security bulletins) and I'd prefer > > to be able to leave it out completely in many applications. > What you are looking for is NetBSD. > \begin{troll} > NetBSD is the reference implementation of The Unix Paradigm. > > Linux used to be a free Unix for Unix enthusiasts. > Today it is a bad Windows (MacOS X) surrugate for point and drool lusers. > \end{troll} > ;-) > -- > > > \end{Jochen} > > \ref{http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/} > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 03:59:48 -0400 (EDT) > From: Mouse <mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG> > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: [cctalk] Old UNIX Systems > Message-ID: <201306020759.DAA12793 at Chip.Rodents-Montreal.ORG> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >> I'm looking more for what a Linux distribution once was in the late > >> 1990s, [...] > > > What you are looking for is NetBSD. > > Maybe. In particular, if you want 386 support, you'll be stuck with > older versions. (Mind you, I personally don't see anything wrong with > that; I run 1.4T on those of my machines which don't need something > newer for hardware-support reasons.) > > > \begin{troll} > > NetBSD is the reference implementation of The Unix Paradigm. > > Troll indeed. :-) > > I'd say it _once was_ the reference etc. It's been headed downhill for > a long time, though; I now see it as trying to take on Linux at its own > game (desktop market share), and, of course, losing - and, in the > process, alienating the user base its former strengths attracted. > > /~\ The ASCII Mouse > \ / Ribbon Campaign > X Against HTML mouse at rodents-montreal.org > / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 08:04:00 -0000 > From: "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> > To: Mouse <mouse at rodents-montreal.org> > Cc: cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: [cctalk] Old UNIX Systems > Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1306020403470.3310 at maelona> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > On Sun, 2 Jun 2013, Mouse wrote: > > > > >>> I'm looking more for what a Linux distribution once was in the late > >>> 1990s, [...] > > > >> What you are looking for is NetBSD. > > > > Maybe. In particular, if you want 386 support, you'll be stuck with > > older versions. (Mind you, I personally don't see anything wrong with > > that; I run 1.4T on those of my machines which don't need something > > newer for hardware-support reasons.) > > > >> \begin{troll} > >> NetBSD is the reference implementation of The Unix Paradigm. > > > > Troll indeed. :-) > > > > I'd say it _once was_ the reference etc. It's been headed downhill for > > a long time, though; I now see it as trying to take on Linux at its own > > game (desktop market share), and, of course, losing - and, in the > > process, alienating the user base its former strengths attracted. > > Yup...it's very unfortunate. :( > > > > > /~\ The ASCII Mouse > > \ / Ribbon Campaign > > X Against HTML mouse at rodents-montreal.org > > / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B > > > > -- > Cory Smelosky > http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff > http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 17:37:05 -0400 > From: randy at randy.kindig.name > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> > Cc: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Another original Apple I sells for an insane amount > Message-ID: > <d9aa1ab1717005f12ad09c9c3e411e20.squirrel at mail.randy.kindig.name> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > Unsubscribe please > > > ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Another original Apple I sells for an insane amount > > From: "Brent Hilpert" <hilpert at cs.ubc.ca> > > Date: Sun, May 26, 2013 1:26 pm > > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > More interesting than the Apple I IMO is the SCELBI-8H listed on the > > > same site: > > > > > > http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/17377290_scelbi-8h-mini- > > > computer-1973 > > > > > > Looks like it was sold on the same auction day. If anybody sees what > > > it went for it would be interesting to hear. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 24 > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 16:34:14 -0600 > From: Craig Ruff <cruff at ruffspot.net> > To: cctech at classiccmp.org > Subject: HP-85A/B display and power supply schematics? > Message-ID: <1ACF2BED-CFA5-443C-BC71-A0EC342FC599 at ruffspot.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Has anyone managed to create schematics for the display and power supply for the HP-85A/B? I don't know yet if Tony's schematics for the 87 are applicable or possibly close enough for these boards. > > I have both an 85A and 85B with identical display issues, which I expect are due to old capacitors causing poor voltage regulation and/or ripple. The pincushion test looks pretty good, except for a bit of vertical displacement (think low amplitude waves) on the horizontal lines. The second issue is when a lot of white is being displayed (i.e. reverse video), there is a distinct narrowing in the scan line width in the top inch or so, with the narrowest at the first scan line. Then there is a gradual widening towards the bottom, with the lowest scan lines ending up off the sides of the phosphor. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 25 > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 04:55:23 -0500 (CDT) > From: Tothwolf <tothwolf at concentric.net> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: [cctalk] Old UNIX Systems > Message-ID: > <alpine.DEB.2.00.1306020425590.2493 at brioche.invalid.domain> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Sun, 2 Jun 2013, Jochen Kunz wrote: > > On Sat, 1 Jun 2013 22:27:09 -0500 (CDT) > > Tothwolf <tothwolf at concentric.net> wrote: > > > >> I'm looking more for what a Linux distribution once was in the late > >> 1990s, with full (advanced) networking support, plus normal network > >> services, and still have a small userspace footprint (and low memory > >> usage). A GUI is non-essential and for both space and security reasons > >> (note all the recent X and X-libraries security bulletins) and I'd > >> prefer to be able to leave it out completely in many applications. > > > > What you are looking for is NetBSD. > > \begin{troll} > > NetBSD is the reference implementation of The Unix Paradigm. > > > > Linux used to be a free Unix for Unix enthusiasts. > > Today it is a bad Windows (MacOS X) surrugate for point and drool lusers. > > \end{troll} > > ;-) > > Meh, I think not. I'm trying to cut down on the number of different > platforms I have to maintain, not add another. ippool also wouldn't really > be a suitable replacement for the way I use ipset, and the idea of trying > to use pf in place of ebtables and iptables for bridge-mode firewalling is > very unappealing. In fact, if I had to switch to something else, I'd > probably go with OpenBSD (which I already use for other stuff) over NetBSD > given OpenBSD's hardware support. > > I plan to stick with Linux for most embedded applications, but the > widespread assumption by many userspace "developers" that everyone has 4GB > or 8GB of ram and a 2TB hard drive isn't helping anyone except help > hardware companies sell newer gear year after year. > > Right now there seems to be a gap in the market for a Linux distribution > tailored for small/embedded systems which is also easy to maintain/update > with a halfway decent package management system. I have nothing against > pkgsrc, Ports, etc, but when you are dealing with lots of different > systems, and especially those with limited CPU/memory/storage, compiling > everything from scratch (as with Gentoo) just isn't a viable solution. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 26 > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 06:40:47 -0400 (EDT) > From: Mouse <mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG> > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: [cctalk] Old UNIX Systems > Message-ID: <201306021040.GAA10348 at Chip.Rodents-Montreal.ORG> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > [W]hen you are dealing with lots of different systems, and especially > > those with limited CPU/memory/storage, compiling everything from > > scratch (as with Gentoo) just isn't a viable solution. > > I don't see why not; it's how I set up my own machines. > > ...well, I don't know how limited your "limited" is. I have a few > machines too small to self-host; those, I simply don't run a > full-fledged OS on. Perhaps this stance simply reflects a gap in my > computer collection, the sort of thing for which 256K or 512K of RAM is > a reasonable memory load - I don't really have anything between the > really tiny machines with the likes of 256 bytes of RAM and 8K of flash > and full-blown machines with 16 or 32 megs of RAM and at least a few > gigs of disk. > > /~\ The ASCII Mouse > \ / Ribbon Campaign > X Against HTML mouse at rodents-montreal.org > / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 27 > Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 12:42:47 +0200 > From: Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: pdp11/93 mod > Message-ID: <20130602104246.GA51212 at beast.freibergnet.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > allison wrote: > > > On 05/30/2013 03:09 AM, Holm Tiffe wrote: > > >Roe Peterson wrote: > > > > > >>Does anyone have information regarding modifying a pdp11/93 cpu to run > > >>at 20Mhz? It's been mentioned on a couple of web pages, but I can't > > >>seem to find details. > > >> > > >>Thanks! > > >> > > >> > > >>-- > > >There isn't much of detail to tell, simply replace the 18Mhz Xtal > > >against a 20Mhz one, but be warned, the CPU isn't the only limiting > > >factor for the speed, the Gate Arrays and the FPU are also involved. > > >Maybe you toast them while overclocking.. > > > > > >I've changed th 15Mhz Xtal from an 11/73 CPU to 18Mhz to get a 11/83.. > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > >Holm > > The biggest thing with that kind of speedup is first its a trivial > > amount and > > the other is if you go too far system reliability will be poor and show > > up as > > unexpected crashes with known solid software (data errors). > > > > That said I've pushed the clock on 11/23 board once too see and the 13mhz > > clock was wound up to 25mhz using a external source. I started seeing > > errors above 18mhz but they were random, seems bus timing and memory > > timing all had to be happy and I was pushing the margins. I eventually > > put in a clock module for 15.8mhz as I had one. For that it was a modest > > speed up as the 11/23 is slower to start with. > > > > Generally overclocking is problematic because the system timing is based > > on it > > and there may be items other than the CPU that have lower limits. > > > > Allison > > Yes. In my case I've changed the older J11 to one of the last available > revisions (-09?) to be at least sure that it meets the specifications. > I don't had another FPU Chip so the FPU and the Gate Arrays are the 15Mhz > Versions. Tested the entire Machine with all available Test Programms on > xxdp to be sore the entire system works as expected...no error so far.. > > Regards, > > Holm > > -- > Technik Service u. Handel Tiffe, www.tsht.de, Holm Tiffe, > Freiberger Stra?e 42, 09600 Obersch?na, USt-Id: DE253710583 > www.tsht.de, info at tsht.de, Fax +49 3731 74200, Mobil: 0172 8790 741 > > > > End of cctalk Digest, Vol 118, Issue 2 > **************************************

11 years, 1 month

9895A motor belt?

by cruff＠ruffspot.net

I have just got around to testing my 9895A with two drives. One drive works fine, the second fails to spin the floppy when the heads load. My guess is that the belt is stretched, and I don't yet know if there is sufficient adjustment available to take up the slack. Does anyone know the specs of these belts and where one might obtain a replacement? A search on the HP part number does not turn up much.

11 years, 1 month

Spec of Motorola 7339 Transistor

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

I am trying to find out some information about this transistor from my ASR33 Teletype. Ideally a datasheet to tell me what kind of transistor it is, and even better any information on whether it has a modern equivalent. This page: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/parts/167680-vintage-transistors-6.html suggests it might be a 2N176, but I am not sure. Anyone have any information, old datasheets or anything else that may help? Thanks Rob

11 years, 1 month

HP-85A/B display and power supply schematics?

by cruff＠ruffspot.net

Has anyone managed to create schematics for the display and power supply for the HP-85A/B? I don't know yet if Tony's schematics for the 87 are applicable or possibly close enough for these boards. I have both an 85A and 85B with identical display issues, which I expect are due to old capacitors causing poor voltage regulation and/or ripple. The pincushion test looks pretty good, except for a bit of vertical displacement (think low amplitude waves) on the horizontal lines. The second issue is when a lot of white is being displayed (i.e. reverse video), there is a distinct narrowing in the scan line width in the top inch or so, with the narrowest at the first scan line. Then there is a gradual widening towards the bottom, with the lowest scan lines ending up off the sides of the phosphor.

11 years, 1 month

Timex TS1000 for shipping

by doc＠vaxen.net

Hi, I'm doing a bunch of spring cleaning and will be offering stuff up as I go. Free & cheap will get pimped on ClassicCmp. Some of the things I think are valuable will go straight to Ebay. Anyhow, I have a TS1000 and a bunch of program cassettes, but no way to test them. The doorstop itself ran the last time I plugged it in. I'd say less than $10 shipping in the lower 48 from Austin Texas. Of course if you come get it, you go to the head of the class. Doc Shipley

11 years, 1 month

pdp11/93 mod

by roe＠liveblockauctions.com

Does anyone have information regarding modifying a pdp11/93 cpu to run at 20Mhz? It's been mentioned on a couple of web pages, but I can't seem to find details. Thanks! -- <http://www.liveblockauctions.com> Roe Peterson / Director of Research & Development O. 306.523.4005 / C. 306.501.6802 *Help Desk: 1.877.694.6100 / 306.694.6100* <http://www.liveblockauctions.com/index.php?p=FAQs>

11 years, 1 month

OT: rubber drive belts

by jules.richardson99＠gmail.com

I seem to collect more bits of vintage hi-fi equipment than I do computers these days (they're much easier to find around here)... Anyway, I've got an early-'70s receiver with a built-in 8-track deck where its drive belt has turned to black goo in the same way that QIC drive pinch rollers often seem to do (and oh how that stuff gets everywhere). Exact part replacements by manufacturer / model are unsurprisingly unavailable - but I expect that the belt material is the same composition as that used for e.g. floppy drive spindle belts (or at the very least, floppy drive belt material would work nicely). So... I could measure the pulley diameters and spacing, but does anyone know of somewhere that sells such belts by length/width rather than "this is a belt for xyz"? (and, if such a place even exists, do I need to correct for belt stretch, or is that factored into the sizing already?) cheers Jules

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