31 May
2013
31 May
'13
7:22 a.m.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:DEC_hardware
If I send this entire list to the recyclers to watch out for, which items on
this list of 73 things are NOT wanted?
Cindy Croxton
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31 May
31 May
8:13 a.m.
At 9:22 AM -0500 5/31/13, Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:DEC_hardware
If I send this entire list to the recyclers to watch out for, which items on
this list of 73 things are NOT wanted?
Interesting question. I know that I personally said no to a DEC 3000
AXP boat anchor. Some of these items take a considerable amount of
space, power, and cooling. I suspect that almost any workstatsion
sized VAX or Alpha would be highly desirable, with the possible
exception of the DEC 3000 AXP's. Even a really low-end VAXstation
3100 can be fun.
I'm no longer collecting, and have zero budget for such things, but
there are a couple VAX systems that even I'd be interested in.
Zane
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8:06 a.m.
Not that there's anything wrong with a DEC 3000 AXP...
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On Fri, 31 May 2013, Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 9:22 AM -0500 5/31/13, Cindy Croxton Electronics
Plus wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:DEC_hardware
If I send this entire list to the recyclers to watch out for, which items
on
this list of 73 things are NOT wanted?
Interesting question. I know that I personally said no to a DEC 3000 AXP
boat anchor. Some of these items take a considerable amount of space, power,
and cooling. I suspect that almost any workstatsion sized VAX or Alpha would
be highly desirable, with the possible exception of the DEC 3000 AXP's. Even
a really low-end VAXstation 3100 can be fun.
I'm no longer collecting, and have zero budget for such things, but there are
a couple VAX systems that even I'd be interested in.
Zane
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| healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Photographer |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| My flickr Photostream |
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8:56 a.m.
New subject: Small collectible VAXes - Re: DEC collectors--input needed
On 31/05/13 11:13 AM, Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 9:22 AM -0500 5/31/13, Cindy Croxton Electronics
Plus wrote:
+1 VAXstation 3100 is a really nice small VAX for collectors.
--Toby
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:DEC_hardware
If I send this entire list to the recyclers to watch out for, which
items on
this list of 73 things are NOT wanted?
Interesting question. I know that I personally said no to a DEC 3000 AXP
boat anchor. Some of these items take a considerable amount of space,
power, and cooling. I suspect that almost any workstatsion sized VAX or
Alpha would be highly desirable, with the possible exception of the DEC
3000 AXP's. Even a really low-end VAXstation 3100 can be fun.
I'm no longer collecting, and have zero budget for such things, but
there are a couple VAX systems that even I'd be interested in.
Zane
10:53 a.m.
Hi Cindy:
Not on the list are the RP01, RP02 and/or RPR02 disk drives made by Memorex
for DEC.
Tom
-----Original Message-----
At 9:22 AM -0500 5/31/13, Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:DEC_hardware
If I send this entire list to the recyclers to watch out for, which items
on
>this list of 73 things are NOT wanted?
4:31 p.m.
There is a pretty good photo of four RP02s at
http://www.gsbrown.org/compuserve/photos/four-disk-pack-drives-1970.html
The RP01 was a little lower but looked the same.
The RPR02 was an off-rent refurbished Memorex 3660 and looked the same
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Gardner [mailto:tom94022 at comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 10:53 AM
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: DEC collectors--input needed
Hi Cindy:
Not on the list are the RP01, RP02 and/or RPR02 disk drives made by
Memorex
for DEC.
Tom
-----Original Message-----
At 9:22 AM -0500 5/31/13, Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus wrote:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:DEC_hardware
>
>
>
>If I send this entire list to the recyclers to watch out for, which
items
on
>this list of 73 things are NOT wanted?
1 Jun
1 Jun
11:38 a.m.
Am 31.05.2013 19:53, schrieb Tom Gardner:
Not on the list are the RP01, RP02 and/or RPR02 disk
drives made by Memorex
for DEC.
Oh: Does anybody have some cartridges for my RP02 and RP03 drives?!?
Regards,
Philipp
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2 Jun
2 Jun
10:25 a.m.
Am 31.05.2013 19:53, schrieb Tom Gardner:
Is that a CDC type 883-91 or BASF 1263 disk pack?
Ed
Not on the list are the RP01, RP02 and/or RPR02
disk drives made by
Memorex
for DEC.
Oh: Does anybody have some cartridges for my RP02 and RP03 drives?!?
Regards,
Philipp --
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4:44 p.m.
Am 02.06.2013 19:25, schrieb E. Groenenberg:
No idea :-( I have just the drives. It has between 9
and 11 disks. The RP02 has
20MByte afaik and the RP03 can store 40MByte. Media could be the same. Don't
know the sectoring if any needed for a PDP11. If you have such cartridges, I'll
find out if they're the right ones.
Kind regards
Philipp
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Oh: Does
anybody have some cartridges for my RP02 and RP03 drives?!?
Is that a CDC type
883-91 or BASF 1263 disk pack? 
5:14 p.m.
On 6/2/13 4:44 PM, Philipp Hachtmann wrote:
9876 for packs
Am 02.06.2013 19:25, schrieb E. Groenenberg:
No idea :-( I have just the drives.
The description of the packs is in DEC-11-HRPCA-C-D_RP11-C_Maint_Aug74
for the PDP-11 controller. They are 20 sector 2316 style, 100 tpi for
the RP02, 200 tpi for the RP03. The same packs are used on the RP-10
DEC-10-HRPC-D_RP10-C_Disk_Pack_Synchronizer_Maint_Oct73
IBM 2316 packs appear to have variable length "sectors" (no sector notches).
A26-3599-4_2314_Sep69
cdc 844-2 drive uses 871 packs
cdc/discs/844-2.pdf
later catalog shows 9849/9876
CDC_OEM_Products_Catalog_Nov75.pdf
Oh: Does
anybody have some cartridges for my RP02 and RP03 drives?!?
Is that a CDC type
883-91 or BASF 1263 disk pack? 
31 May
31 May
8:43 a.m.
On May 31, 2013, at 10:22 AM, "Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus" <sales at
elecplus.com> wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:DEC_hardware
If I send this entire list to the recyclers to watch out for, which items on
this list of 73 things are NOT wanted?
It would be hard to say any of them are NOT wanted universally, but if
you're looking to prioritize things:
- Anything with a PDP is a good priority, possibly slightly less so
for PDP-11s since they're still so thick on the ground (but also
not hard to convince people to take). Unibus PDP-11s (the ones
with switches and lights on the front panel) are a lot harder to
find, so they can be pretty desirable.
- Early VAXen (anything starting with VAX-11) are pretty rare and
worth saving. Later large VAX models (like the 7000/10000) are
similarly rare, but you might have a harder time convincing
someone to take them because of the size and power and a slightly
lower "awesome" factor.
- Alphas are somewhat less desirable, but they still see a lot of
action on eBay because they're still in a lot of existing
installations.
- Terminals are always nice to save, but most people I know have a
pile of them that's already too big. I wouldn't mind having one
more, and there are certainly museums and other organizations that
can make use of them for displays. The graphics monitors (VRxxx)
are hard to find these days, and it's always nice if they come
with a graphics terminal (like a VS240, which says VT240 on the
front). Here's an example of the latter, which is nice to save:
http://www.recycledgoods.com/product/41606_digital_vs240-b_dec-vt240-termin…
Those are my 2 cents, and they do reflect my personal biases. Other
folks have their own criteria.
- Dave
3 Jun
3 Jun
10:01 a.m.
* On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:43:10AM -0400, David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com>
wrote:
- Anything with a PDP is a good priority, possibly
slightly less so
for PDP-11s since they're still so thick on the ground
[...]
- Terminals are always nice to save, but most people I
know have a
pile of them that's already too big.
I've got a different perspective on this due to my long collecting
hiatus.
Back in the 90s, I collected DEC gear pretty actively. I took whatever I
could get my hands on. Usually it came to me free ("just haul it away"),
and I was happy to give it a good home. I had a lot of fun.
I was young, in my 20s, unmarried, and moved around a lot, so the
collection quickly grew to the point where it was more trouble than it
was worth. With deep regret, I gave it all away. Every bit went to other
collectors, I'm glad to say. Nothing was scrapped (at least not by me)
Fast forward to 2011, and the itch came back. I'm more stable both
financially and in housing (though, there's still never enough room!)
and I wanted to start to rebuild a smaller DEC collection. Just the
things I really wanted to have.
It was a very different ballgame. I did end up with one great "score", a
very, very badly damaged PDP-11/35 that needed about 100 hours of
restoration just to power on (it still doesn't actually work, but at
least it's not rusting in a barn any more), but that was the only free
gear I could find.
I put feelers to all the normal places, and found nothing else.
Eventually I was able to buy a nice PDP-11/73 setup (11/73, 2 RL02s,
SCSI), but I had to pay $800 for it -- that was a "friend price",
definitely less than retail. I found another 11/23+ (no storage) for
$200, and considered it a pretty good deal. Eventually I found a VT101
terminal (without a keyboard) for $80, and snapped it up.
I've seen a lot of stuff come and go on eBay since then, all for more
than I wanted to pay. It's just a different world now. The stuff is
EXPENSIVE (compared to "free" or "scrap value", anyway!) and very,
very
rare. I've seen maybe 2 other complete VT100 terminals in total since I
started looking again, and both were well over $100 (or "local pickup
only" and on the other side of the country. Suck!)
The best bet seems to be to find broken, non-working stuff and fix it.
That's likely the only way to really start collecting '80s and earlier
vintage DEC gear, now. That, or have a whole lot of money! :)
-Seth
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