Please pardon the self serving post, but I thought that it would be of interest to this group. I've decided to sell my PDP8/e. I just don't have the time to devote to restoring it. The eBay listing is here: DEC PDP8/e Minicomputer
If anybody has any questions about it, let me know.
Thanks,
-Mardy
I'm trying to get my Multia (did you know that's pronounced
"Mull-tea-uh"?*) to netboot.
Unfortunately, this means I have to update my SRM firmware. Unfortunately,
this means I need my floppy. Unfortunately, my floppy makes a nasty noise.
This is an unconventionally thin drive with a very thin ribbon cable. Does
anyone have a spare they'd like to dispose of in my direction?
* So says the audio_test routine in the SRM.
Jerome H. Fine <jhfinedp3k at compsys.to> wrote:
> Please be aware that most (maybe now almost all) RD53
> drives have failed with the head stuck problem. (...)
> I would agree to use an RD53 as a scratch drive for
> temporary storage, but not for saving files after the
> drive is powered down.
Which conveniently also is an application for which their
capacity is reasonable. One could however hope for the
best and use one e.g. as a boot drive, provided I have
the contents backed up elsewhere just in case it decides
to croak.
> I have a number of Micropolis ESDI and Hitachi ESDI
> drives which seem to be quite reliable.
> (...) since I doubt that using
> the internal power supply from the BA123 is helpful.
Hmm, as the enclosure supports no less than four full
height 5,25" devices, shouldn't the PSU be able to
power them as well, or is the 11/83 setup stretching
the limits on its own already?
> >3x 5MB 14" RL01,
> >1x 10MB 14" RL02,
>
> VERY reasonable for a small RT-11 system
And PERIOD at least.
> but prone
> to hardware problems (especially filters) in the long run.
A thorough cleanup and check-out will of course be performed
before power is applied.
> >(2x 80MB 14" SMD) (I just have a lead on those yet)
> >
> The ESDI drives are more reliable and faster. ESDI controllers
> were also less expensive and more available.
Not a problem, I do have a (DILOG IIRC) QBUS SMD controller
(but not a SCSI one yet). And I _want_ to run rackmount drives,
not microcomputer stuff, with a rackmount system.
Not to mention that the CMD Phoenix drives have one removable
platter (16MB) in a cartridge, so unlimited offline storage
(in case I can manage to get more of those landmines).
allison <ajp166 at verizon.net> wrote:
> On 04/10/2013 02:25 AM, Arno Kletzander wrote:
> > ok, then TU58 emulation is, as I had hoped, going to float the
> > boat for me, at least until either more machines or media to
> > be read crop up here.
> The novelty weill wear off fast as a drive is only 256K, and
> its serial line speed and hence sloowwwwwwww...
Nevertheless it's a start; it's not like I'm running a
production system. I can still upgrade once my patience
has been exhausted.
> >> Thats plenty of space for PDP-11 OSs.
> > Unfortunately I have no sound way to (mechanically)
> > _mount_ and power those tiny little 5,25" disks in
> > the '11 rack, that's why they're staying in the BA123.
> I got a rack shelf and gutted a few PCs for the disk cage.
Perhaps not pretty, but a pragmatic solution anyway...
I do even have a general purpose rackmount case and PSU
for two full-height 5,25" devices after all. (I had not
considered it as such, as it is currently occupied by
a drive bay mountable SCSI RAID controller and I had
originally not realized that they were separate parts.)
So this is basically an option to use the RD53s with my
RQDX3 on 11/23 as well.
How about the STxxx (unshielded) ribbon cables going from
one rack drawer to the other, won't those be a problem in
terms of length/signal quality)?
> >> Likely the bad one has the stuck head problem
> >> (...)
> > I'd not want to try my luck, I'll work on that one
> > once I've got an aquarium type glove box set up.
> Suit yourself. I've done them on the kitchen table.
> I must ahve done at least 8 of them.
> The only failures were not media related (controller
> dies on write and blows the track servo).
>
> Keep in mind they have a filter and the spin-up is
> to clear the platters and the dust that lands into
> the filter.
Good to know they're not that fragile, but every head
crash is one too many in my book. They don't make 'em
any more, after all.
[large drives]
> Anything I can lift with one hand is small.
> > 1(2)x RD53 5,25" MFM
> > 1x 300MB 5,25" ESDI,
> Physical large drive: any that want a lift or
> two people to install in the rack.
> > 3x 5MB 14" RL01,
> > 1x 10MB 14" RL02,
> > (2x 80MB 14" SMD) (just a lead on those yet)
> RL02 was far more reliable and more common.
Despite the higher track density in an otherwise
pretty much unchanged design? (I got the (common)
user's guide with the drives.)
What's the story about the "brush cycle" that was
later on removed by an ECO anyway? At least one
of my drives still has the brush arm installed.
> > ?? BBU?? Unless you mean BBS7 (Io tends to use that).
> > Battery backup. Feeding it from an alternate 5V source
> > to keep RAM content intact when mains power is off.
>
> Oh, It's been a while, I never use it. No need. If I
> need the data preserved I have it on disk and the system
> on UPS.
Nowadays, of course. Back then UPS usually meant a large
noisy expensive MG set with a heavy flywheel accompanied
by an air-started diesel genset in the basement (and you
probably had chosen a MINIcomputer to avoid all that), so
BBU was the next best thing to core to have, when power
was not as reliable as your service needed to be.
[heat issues]
> > A hard "CPU dead" damage without any warning?
> (...)
> Mine ran usually for months at a time, if the building
> AC hadn't failed the cpu baord would still be in there
> (it is actually and repaired returned to my spares box).
So out of interest, what component(s) actually got fried
in the incident?
[old-time networking]
> PDP-11s were networked before NICs using DDCMP and sync
> lines. (...) Of course Unix had UUCP via serial lines
> and modems.
> After NICS Ether pipe. RT11 does little with it and
> its mostly useless for that RSTS and RSX in the later
> versions were full fledged nodes (DECnet Phase III).
So my idea of it was pretty much correct, by and large.
>> (2x 80MB 14" SMD) (I just have a lead on those yet)
>>
>>
> The ESDI drives are more reliable and faster. ESDI controllers
> were also less expensive and more available.
>
[TK50 tape subsystem]
> I just can't say enough nice things about TK50.
> (set user/mode:sarcasm=off)
>
> But they were the common transfer media and big for its time.
> that and I have a small bin full of Compact Tape I media with
> stuff on it. Tk70 was the one to have.
jkunz and I had a bunch of (negative) fun with CompacTapes last
VCFe, when we tried reading some on a VAXstation IIRC.
We had a bunch in which the binder had degraded; they started
shedding oxide and/or sticking to the heads, sometimes in a way
that even broke the tape.
> There is also TLZ04 tape.
DAT, usually regarded as a "Write once/read never" medium if
I'm not mistaken?
David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com> wrote:
> If you manage to find a QBUS SCSI card (...) you can use a Zip drive
> for removable storage (...) It's not exactly "classic",
> but they are plentiful and cheap and fairly reliable if you stick
> with the 100 MB versions. They're also BIG (in storage size) compared
> to an RL02, and they're much better about being dropped. :-)
Three problems:
1. no free QBUS SCSI cards (as opposed to MFM, ESDI, RL0x and SMD),
2. bad personal track record with ZIP drives (click of death),
3. going more for a period system than for ease of use.
> You could always run your -11 from the BA123. It's a bit of
> overkill, but you can fit all the disks you want in there and
> pretty much never worry about running out of slots for boards.
>
> Of course, if you're actively using the MVII, don't do that.
(shakes head) Totally wrong approach, I'm basically building
the 11/23 "just" to populate an empty BA-11S shell that has
that designation on it...
The VSII is a very nice system all by itself which I got in
a period configuration (CPU, 16MB RAM, VCB02 board set, RQDX3)
and rounded out accordingly (8-port SLU, DELQA), and as it
fits all together so nicely and works (even has the correct
"VAXstation II/GPX" case sign too), I'm not changing that.
(Neither of those systems is going to see much use anytime
soon, much to my own regret...)
[system monitoring board]
> That's a fun idea. When I'm running my 11/23 in an open backplane,
> I make sure I have a decently powerful fan blowing through it and
> over the top. Those boards tend to dissipate between 10 and 20
> watts each, which is nothing to sneeze at, and the CPUs can get
> quite locally hot.
So I probably need two fan airflow sensors (I've seen that done with
components that look like glass case small signal diodes - these work
by dissipating a small amount of power and measuring the temperature
increase from that, so they should detect when either the air flow
fails or the ambient air is too hot to begin with, and a few stick-on
probes (NTC?) for neuralgic components. Adjustable levels for
forewarning and protective cutout; monitoring the DC rails for
overvoltage and excessive ripple could be added for completeness.
Just needs a breaker contact in line with the front panel switch.
> The QBUS LAN cards definitely have more of a "meant for VAX" feel
> to their documentation, IMO, but they do work fine in an -11.
>
> If you can, I'd recommend getting a DELQA instead of a DEQNA.
> The DELQA is backwards-compatible with the DEQNA and is a lot
> more reliable (mostly due to lower power dissipation). I'm
> given to understand it takes a lot of load off the CPU as well.
> The DELQA can use the DEQNA cable kit, so no need to worry
> about that.
Not standard for an '11, so not really of great interest for a
start.
Allison <ajp166 at verizon.net> wrote:
> The DEQNA has the mop boot for PDP11. seems that is a PDP11 thing.
> The DELQA deleted that.
>
> The CPU load this was added around V5.* VMS as they discovered
> a DEQNA bug that could corrupt packets in a uVAX system so the
> packet has a secondary CRC16 added and does the reverse on
> the other side to check the data and thats all in software (real pita).
So basically DEQNA (if anything) for an '11, DELQA for a (?)VAX.
> The CMD SCSI card is the way to go.
Nah...SCSI is for Microcomputers, ain't it? ;^)
> Get another... ;)
If anything, I'd go for the radiator style (BA23) microPDP now,
that's the package I don't have yet. Damn, you made me want
one...
Arno
I still have a S/360 load module card deck for the 6-foot "Moon" ASCII art picture. I saw it in my basement a few years ago. I have a gothic letters banner producer card deck too.
I have Hercules running, so the module could be resurrected. Anyone have a card reader? I have been looking for a CR11 or CM11 for over 10 years now.
Kevin
Message: 8
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 08:49:56 -0400
From: David Gesswein <djg at pdp8online.com>
To: cctech at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Computer ASCII Text Art from the 1970's
Message-ID: <20130412124956.GA22671 at hugin2.pdp8online.com>
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> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 8:52 AM, John Foust <jfoust at threedee.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd love to find the original data behind the Mona Lisa that
>> was produced by CDC that was exhibited at VCF 2.0.
>>
>> <http://www.threedee.com/jcm/aaa/images/monaCHC.jpg>
>> http://www.threedee.com/jcm/aaa/images/monaCHC.jpg
>>
I have a monalisa in these ascii art files. Its a two printout wide overstrike.
No idea if it is the same one.
To complement the thread "The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The
Register", we have
> http://www.chassis-plans.com/blog/2013/04/04/the-worst-computers-of-all-tim…
Any such list is necessarily very subjective, but I can think of lots of
machines that were worse than the ones indicated here. And not all of
them would be consumer computers either - just because you paid a lot
for something didn't mean it would be good.
Still, I liked the presentation.
-- Jecel
Would like so help identifying the serial number on the VAX 11/780 I just acquired.
The Model is 11780-FE not sure what the FE means.
The serial is FX03307. I am assuming the FX would mean Foxboro MA ?
0 would be 1980. 33 would be august and 07 would be the 7th one made that year?
Went with the logic tube manufacturers used to use.
Hey can anyone shed some light on this topic?
LCIII Recap - Apple design fault -47uF reversed!
http://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=20936
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:15:05 +0100 (BST)
> From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell)
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: 10 worst computers of all time
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>>> TI 99/4a. Cliff Click gave up in disgust trying to program this
>>> thing. nuf said.
>>
>> You do have a point. Interesting architecture & so on, but...
>> registers in external DRAM? Really?
>
> IIRC, the worst feature wa that (in the base configuration) there was
> almsot no RAM (if any at all) on the processor bus. Yor BASIC program ws
> stored in spare locations of the video RAM. This meant that (a) readign
> the BASIC program to execute it was ridiculously slow and (b) you
> couldn't program it in machine code (since the RAM was not on the
> processor bus). ARGH!
>
>
> I think I Would put the VAX 11/730 on the list of 'daftest hardware
> designs'. even though I like the machine overall. The processor microcode
> is stored in DRAM. No I am not joking. This means that the procesosr has
> to be haled every few ms while the control store RAM is refreshed. Every
> other machine I've see with a writeable control store (that is, the
> microcode is in RAM not ROM) has ued static RAM for this, for obvious
> reasons.
>
> -tony
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 23:04:47 +0100 (BST)
> From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell)
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: What is the correct material to use..
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>>
>> I'm in the process of restoring some original Macs (a 128 and 512) with a
>> friend and we have come across an issue with a floppy drive that is
>> strictly mechanical, and am wondering what others have done.
>>
>> On the original 400K floppies there is a pin on the side that moves up and
>> down as the floppy goes in, and is ejected which in some sense locks the
>> floppy in either position. On one of these drives, the pivot point where
>> this pin connects to the rest of the mechanism isn't as "free" as it should
>> be, and initially caused the drive to be either stuck in the open or closed
>> position. We've cleaned around the pin (Q-tips and isopropyl alcohol) and
>> then lubricated it with some WD-40 (using Q-tip as well) as a start. This
>
> N omatter waht is says o nthe can, Wanton Destruciton 40 is nto a
> usitable lubricant for small mechanisms. In fact this might be what is
> gummign things up
>
> On similar SOny drive,s I take them apart as far as possible and creally
> clean the parts with propan-2-ol. Keep on workign them back and forth to
> get the gunged-up grease out.
>
> Normally they will work properly with no lubricant at all. And wear on
> osemthing like an eject mechansim should be minimal.
>
> -tony
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 18:42:40 -0400
> From: allison <ajp166 at verizon.net>
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only <cctech at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: pdp-11/23 config
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> On 04/10/2013 11:42 AM, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
>>> Arno Kletzander wrote:
>>
>>> OK, seems we mixed up logically and physically large drives here.
>>> I have about none of the first, but several of the latter category
>>> amongst those in question for the machines we're discussing here:
>>> 1(2)x RD53 5,25" MFM
>>>
>>>
>> Please be aware that most (maybe now almost all) RD53
>> drives have failed with the head stuck problem. If you have
>> an RD53 which can still be read, it is strongly suggested that
>> you copy the contents to a more reliable drive. It is possible
>> to open and remove the sticky mess without a clean room,
>> but read the notes over the past 5 or 10 years which describe
>> how it should be done. I would agree to use an RD53 as a
>> scratch drive for temporary storage, but not for saving files
>> after the drive is powered down. If anyone has any MTBF
>> stats after the sticky mess has been removed in terms of
>> how many hours of actually using the drive, that would be
>> helpful.
>>
> I have one I did that on back in the late 80s and it still runs.
> I's gotten at least three years solid power on time in a PC
> and after retirement there Its in a current PDP11 and still
> runs at least 30 hours a year.
>
> I have a bunch I've done that to. A few have failed due to
> controller board issues (saved as media spares) and one
> the media is physically good but the controller borked
> and wrote all over the servo tracks. No reformat possible
> for the servo information.
>
> It was a very good drive save for the gummy rubber bumper
> in the head assembly.
>
>>> 1x 300MB 5,25" ESDI,
>>>
>>>
>> I have a number of Micropolis ESDI and Hitachi ESDI
>> drives which seem to be quite reliable. Most are the
>> Hitachi DK-515 ESDI 5 1/4" 600 MB drives. They
>> are used with a PDP-11/83 system with their own
>> PC type power supply and fan since I doubt that using
>> the internal power supply from the BA123 is helpful.
>>
> The Hitachi were among the best.
>
> The Quantum D540s were also near bullet proof.
>
>
>> Those Hitachi drives arrived 4 in a box with that PC
>> type power supply in the first place which emulated
>> one of the VAX type of drives which DEC supported.
>> Since the ESDI drives were exactly what I wanted for
>> the PDP-11/83 and the DEC reseller had no demand
>> for these drives from VAX users, the price and usage
>> was perfect for the PDP-11/83 with an MSCP EDSI
>> controller. Normally, I used 3 * 600 MB drives which
>> were usually all identical with drive 0 being the production
>> drive and drives 1 and 2 being backups.
>>
> Most of the VAXEN (qbus) wanted drive larger than 300mb
> as VMS V5 barely fits in 150mb and with users and added
> software even 300mb is getting thin.
>
>>> 3x 5MB 14" RL01,
>>> 1x 10MB 14" RL02,
>>>
>>>
>> VERY reasonable for a small RT-11 system, but prone
>> to hardware problems (especially filters) in the long run.
>>
> RL02 was far more reliable and more common. 10MB happens to
> be a handy size for PDP11.
>
>>> (2x 80MB 14" SMD) (I just have a lead on those yet)
>>>
>>>
>> The ESDI drives are more reliable and faster. ESDI controllers
>> were also less expensive and more available.
>>
>>> [TK50 tape subsystem]
>>>
>> From my point of view, one of the worst backups that
>> DEC ever produced. While making a simple copy of
>> a large file is reasonable, the lack of a reasonable
>> streaming capability makes use of small files or a verify
>> of a large file extremely difficult. On the other hand,
>> the TK70 is a good, fast, reliable drive which I used
>> for many years as my primary backup until I found
>> some Sony SMO S-501 magneto optical drives.
>>
> ;)
> I just can't say enough nice things about TK50.
> (set user/mode:sarcasm=off)
>
> But they were the common transfer media and big for its time.
> that and I have a small bin full of Compact Tape I media with
> stuff on it. Tk70 was the one to have.
>
> There is also TLZ04 tape.
>
>
> Allison
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 18:51:46 -0400
> From: Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
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> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
>>> What kind of warped pervert wants to have sex with a computer?
>
> Tasha Yar and Data?
>
> -ethan
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 18:09:27 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Tothwolf <tothwolf at concentric.net>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: What is the correct material to use..
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> On Wed, 10 Apr 2013, Geoffrey Oltmans wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Geoffrey Oltmans <oltmansg at gmail.com>wrote:
>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Tothwolf <tothwolf at concentric.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As others have pointed out, WD40 isn't a replacement for grease or
>>>> oil. It works great as a water displacement, such as for driving the
>>>> water out of parts that have been rinsed in water after cleaning with
>>>> a detergent based degreaser. A large percentage of WD40's ingredients
>>>> is a light solvent, and the small amount of oil it contains tend to
>>>> gum up later if not removed/supplemented by a better oil. OTOH, I do
>>>> not recommend the use of "3-in-1" oil for anything other than possibly
>>>> a door hinge. Because it is vegetable based and not petroleum based,
>>>> it too will gum up later.
>>>
>>> Ah, good to know on the 3-in-1 stuff. Like I said before, I tend to use
>>> that or the lithium grease depending on which is more readily available
>>> at the moment.
>>
>> Wait... I take that back... according to the MSDS, 3-in-1 is petroleum
>> based.
>>
>> http://www.lakeland.edu/AboutUs/MSDS/PDFs/445/3-in-1%20Oil%20%28Doyle%20Mid…
>
> Interesting. I wonder if they've changed the formula over the years? I was
> taught that it was vegetable based, however the high percentage of Heavy
> Naphthenic Oil /does/ help explain why it tends to gum up, since the
> lighter hydrocarbons are going to evaporate, leaving the heavier stuff
> (paraffin) behind.
>
> I think I'll stick with something like Boeshield T-9 if I need something
> with a high paraffin content though.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:35:01 -0600
> From: ben <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
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>
> On 4/10/2013 4:51 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
>>>> What kind of warped pervert wants to have sex with a computer?
>>
>> Tasha Yar and Data?
>>
>> -ethan
>>
>>
>
> Give Data a break, Tasha Yar was the most computer like one.
> Ben.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 23:36:33 -0000
> From: "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
> Message-ID: <5165F781.8090203 at gewt.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>
> On 04/10/2013 06:51 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
>>>> What kind of warped pervert wants to have sex with a computer?
>>
>> Tasha Yar and Data?
>>
>> -ethan
>>
>
> Well...at least it's not the Borg queen...
>
> --
> Cory Smelosky
> http://gewt.net Personal stuff
> http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 19:37:07 -0400
> From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
> Message-ID: <5165F7A3.90401 at neurotica.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 04/10/2013 06:51 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>>>> What kind of warped pervert wants to have sex with a computer?
>>
>> Tasha Yar and Data?
>
> [cue 1970s porn music]
>
> "...programmed in multiple techniques..."
>
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 23:52:50 -0000
> From: "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
> Message-ID: <5165FB52.3090805 at gewt.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>
> On 04/10/2013 07:35 PM, ben wrote:
>>
>> On 4/10/2013 4:51 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
>>>>> What kind of warped pervert wants to have sex with a computer?
>>>
>>> Tasha Yar and Data?
>>>
>>> -ethan
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Give Data a break, Tasha Yar was the most computer like one.
>
> She was even more computer like than actual computers!
>
>> Ben.
>>
>
>
> --
> Cory Smelosky
> http://gewt.net Personal stuff
> http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:21:32 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Mouse <mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: H780 power supply
> Message-ID: <201304110021.UAA22211 at Sparkle.Rodents-Montreal.ORG>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>> Probably not that particualr PSU, but I know that some of the smaller
>> DEC pSUs used on Qbus systems do not work correctly unloaded.
>
> It wasn't a DEC PSU, but I once fried a PSU by running it with too
> little load. (It was a Sun SPARCstation SLC or ELC, I forget which,
> and I was using the PSU without the monitor load it was designed to
> always drive - http://www.sunhelp.org/~mouse is a page I wrote up for
> sunhelp.org which, among other things, mentions the experience.)
>
> /~\ The ASCII Mouse
> \ / Ribbon Campaign
> X Against HTML mouse at rodents-montreal.org
> / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:21:49 -0400
> From: David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Huge Lot of Vintage Computers- Local Pick up preferred in
> Flushing Michigan
> Message-ID: <C2FDB6FE-EDC8-49E6-8163-1A3E9F5C4F90 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> On Apr 10, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Matthew D Stock <stock at csgeeks.org> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Beware of this guy - he scammed me out of some money recently when I offered to buy some stuff from him and he didn't ship. His ex-girlfriend (it's her paypal account, it wasn't hacked) ended up refunding me the money out of her pocket.
>>
>> But don't believe me, just do a web search and you'll see has has quite a history on the Apple mailing lists going back years. If you still choose to buy from him, do it in person and know what you're buying.
>
> How recently was that? List members have reported recent transactions
> with him that went just fine, and he's offering local, in-person
> pickup (preferred, even). As always, caveat emptor, but people can
> change.
>
>
> - Dave
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:35:44 +0000
> From: Ian King <IanK at vulcan.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>, "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only"
> <cctech at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
> Message-ID:
> <2F25BE3D5F64F342B56139F31854C9B998D8E71B at 505MBX2.corp.vnw.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On 4/9/13 6:33 PM, "Andrew Hoerter" <amh at POBOX.COM> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Honestly, I'm really surprised by the list. I was surprised first by
>>> the
>>> C-128, and even more surprised by the time I got to #10. I didn't take
>>> time
>>> to see if they listed criteria for the choices, but I find the machines
>>> selected to be odd. I for one would have put a BeBox in the list (and
>>> I've
>>> never even seen one). I'd have likely also included the G5 PowerMac
>>> (and
>>> current Mac Pro's) for their case.
>>
>> Surely the Connection Machine warrants a spot on that list, as well.
>>
>> -Andy
>>
>>
>
> Yes, the Connection Machine just stirs the primal geek instincts - which
> journalists do not have. I really see no rationale to their choices.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:37:06 +0000
> From: Ian King <IanK at vulcan.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
> Message-ID:
> <2F25BE3D5F64F342B56139F31854C9B998D8E737 at 505MBX2.corp.vnw.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On 4/9/13 8:14 PM, "mc68010" <mc68010 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/9/2013 6:04 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
>>> On 10 April 2013 01:33, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
>>>> Other than the obvious triteness of the the question---
>>>>
>>>> What kind of warped pervert wants to have sex with a computer?
>>> Joke, N entirely SFW:
>>> http://www.welookdoyou.com/fufme/
>>>
>>> Real:
>>> http://www.gizmag.com/lovepalz-iphone-teledildonics-app/24254/
>>>
>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/12/sxsw_teledildonics/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> There is of course always this too http://public.enemy.org/zt_pdp11.jpg
>>
>>
>
> A photo too far....
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:40:27 +0000
> From: Ian King <IanK at vulcan.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
> Message-ID:
> <2F25BE3D5F64F342B56139F31854C9B998D8E767 at 505MBX2.corp.vnw.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On 4/10/13 4:35 PM, "ben" <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 4/10/2013 4:51 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
>>>>> What kind of warped pervert wants to have sex with a computer?
>>>
>>> Tasha Yar and Data?
>>>
>>> -ethan
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Give Data a break, Tasha Yar was the most computer like one.
>> Ben.
>>
>>
>>
>
> You're being unkind to every computer that was ever built. Every one. No
> insult to the actress, she was just following the thread of execution.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:44:25 +0000
> From: Ian King <IanK at vulcan.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
> Message-ID:
> <2F25BE3D5F64F342B56139F31854C9B998D8E78C at 505MBX2.corp.vnw.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On 4/10/13 4:37 PM, "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
>
>> On 04/10/2013 06:51 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>>>>> What kind of warped pervert wants to have sex with a computer?
>>>
>>> Tasha Yar and Data?
>>
>> [cue 1970s porn music]
>>
>> "...programmed in multiple techniques..."
>>
>> --
>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>> New Kensington, PA
>>
>>
>
> I always wondered: who would create a *synthetic* life form and programs
> it to engage in what is arguably the most fundamentally biological of
> interactions? What could be the motivation... eww, I wish I hadn't gone
> there.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:00:05 -0400
> From: Matthew D Stock <stock at csgeeks.org>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Huge Lot of Vintage Computers- Local Pick up preferred in
> Flushing Michigan
> Message-ID: <51660B15.1070009 at csgeeks.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 4/10/2013 8:21 PM, David Riley wrote:
>> How recently was that? List members have reported recent transactions
>> with him that went just fine, and he's offering local, in-person
>> pickup (preferred, even). As always, caveat emptor, but people can
>> change. - Dave
>
> As of last month. Fast correspondence arranging the payment, and USPS
> ship code almost immediately. Said he'd drop off the package the next
> day. Follow up the following week, said that he missed the shipping
> window, and he'd be sending something in a couple of days. Another week
> and a half and another followup, and he says he can't ship the
> equipment, and then I'll get a refund in the next day or so. Another
> few days and another followup, and he says he doesn't have the money in
> paypal and will pay me as soon as he sells some other stuff.
>
> I give the guy up until the limit of the paypal dispute window to
> resolve the issue, repeated contacts, and nothing. If others want to
> roll the dice with him that's their business, but it looks like he's got
> a history of being hit and miss.
> -Matt
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 01:02:07 -0000
> From: "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
> Message-ID: <51660B8F.9060603 at gewt.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>
> On 04/10/2013 08:44 PM, Ian King wrote:
>>
>> On 4/10/13 4:37 PM, "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/10/2013 06:51 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>>>>>> What kind of warped pervert wants to have sex with a computer?
>>>>
>>>> Tasha Yar and Data?
>>>
>>> [cue 1970s porn music]
>>>
>>> "...programmed in multiple techniques..."
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>>> New Kensington, PA
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I always wondered: who would create a *synthetic* life form and programs
>> it to engage in what is arguably the most fundamentally biological of
>> interactions? What could be the motivation... eww, I wish I hadn't gone
>> there.
>
> Either to make things...easier, or to prove a point. ;)
>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Cory Smelosky
> http://gewt.net Personal stuff
> http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:27:20 -0400
> From: David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: H780 power supply
> Message-ID: <C69A01F3-C67A-4854-8E32-DD288CE6A246 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> On Apr 10, 2013, at 8:21 PM, Mouse <mouse at rodents-montreal.org> wrote:
>
>>> Probably not that particualr PSU, but I know that some of the smaller
>>> DEC pSUs used on Qbus systems do not work correctly unloaded.
>>
>> It wasn't a DEC PSU, but I once fried a PSU by running it with too
>> little load. (It was a Sun SPARCstation SLC or ELC, I forget which,
>> and I was using the PSU without the monitor load it was designed to
>> always drive - http://www.sunhelp.org/~mouse is a page I wrote up for
>> sunhelp.org which, among other things, mentions the experience.)
>
> Yeah, if you run some of the less intelligent ones with two low a
> load, the duty cycle on the switcher shrinks to near zero, which
> means lots of sharp pulses up/down next to each other on an
> inductor. The end result is not nice. The smarter systems will
> just hold off for a period if they detect an insufficient load;
> the even smarter ones will switch in a dummy load automatically.
>
>
> - Dave
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:34:58 -0400
> From: Toby Thain <toby at telegraphics.com.au>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Huge Lot of Vintage Computers- Local Pick up preferred in
> Flushing Michigan
> Message-ID: <51662152.7040304 at telegraphics.com.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 10/04/13 8:21 PM, David Riley wrote:
>> On Apr 10, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Matthew D Stock<stock at csgeeks.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Beware of this guy - he scammed me out of some money recently when I offered to buy some stuff from him and he didn't ship. His ex-girlfriend (it's her paypal account, it wasn't hacked) ended up refunding me the money out of her pocket.
>>>
>>> But don't believe me, just do a web search and you'll see has has quite a history on the Apple mailing lists going back years. If you still choose to buy from him, do it in person and know what you're buying.
>>
>> How recently was that? List members have reported recent transactions
>
> I've bought from Steve before with no issues and I would buy from him again.
>
>
>
>> with him that went just fine, and he's offering local, in-person
>> pickup (preferred, even).
>
> Exactly. About as straight a deal as it gets.
>
> --Toby
>
>> As always, caveat emptor, but people can
>> change.
>>
>>
>> - Dave
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 04:15:02 +0100
> From: Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
> Message-ID:
> <CAMTenCEapoDsiPpPfemPOpOG35svtq2HxE9c=ANjjbCU6Tx-pQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> On 10 April 2013 23:26, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
>>> What kind of warped pervert wants to have sex with a computer?
>>
>> Barbarella and the Excessive machine?
>
> Barbarella and Diktor:
>
> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jCh6DqlHTB4/Rkk4QFPvwXI/AAAAAAAAALA/eF7psh7vO14/s…
>
> --
> Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile
> Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven
> MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven
> Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:03:39 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Griffith <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
> Message-ID:
> <alpine.DEB.2.00.1304102203100.24199 at sleipnir.cs.csubak.edu>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
>> Other than the obvious triteness of the the question---
>>
>> What kind of warped pervert wants to have sex with a computer?
>
> This guy:
>
> http://www.schlabonski.de/zwiebeltuete.html
> ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/people/m/pix/comp
>
> --
> David Griffith
> dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu
>
> A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:04:43 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Tom Sparks <tom_a_sparks at yahoo.com.au>
> To: "cctalk at classiccmp.org" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: looking for Daisy Wheel Printer
> Message-ID:
> <1365656683.98307.YahooMailNeo at web142503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>
>
>>>> ? I am looking for a daisy wheel printer to buy
>>>>
>>>> An odd thing to desire....
>>> not really,
>>
>> Wel, OK, I regater old computer periphearls as being interesting, but far
>> too many people think that the CPU is the only bit worth colelcting.
>>
>>> I already have two pen plotters (Desktop and cutter)
>>> I've ordered a dot-matrix printer
>>
>> s an? aside, I regard injet and laser printers as being dot-matrix...
>>
> yea, but they are not impact based
>
> One of those 4-colour pritner/ploters using the Alps mechanism. Everybody
>> and his dog sold them at some poitn -- Tandy CGP115, Commodore 1520,
>> there was an Atari oen, a Sharp one, theOric printer, etc.
>>
> my Roland plotter has 8 pens slots (DXY-1300)
> the other plotter is a papercraft cutter
>
>
> -tony
>> tom
> PS:? I am using them for art projects
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 05:10:18 -0000
> From: "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
> Message-ID: <B4DC6C45-CD43-4FA5-BE39-2E9B7A59FFC4 at gewt.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
>
>
> On 11 Apr 2013, at 01:03, "David Griffith" <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>>
>>> Other than the obvious triteness of the the question---
>>>
>>> What kind of warped pervert wants to have sex with a computer?
>>
>> This guy:
>>
>> http://www.schlabonski.de/zwiebeltuete.html
>> ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/people/m/pix/comp
>
> ?Do I WANT to click any of those? I highly doubt I do.
>
>>
>> --
>> David Griffith
>> dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu
>>
>> A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>> A: Top-posting.
>> Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:43:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Griffith <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
> Message-ID:
> <alpine.DEB.2.00.1304102243180.21085 at sleipnir.cs.csubak.edu>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote:
>
>> On 11 Apr 2013, at 01:03, "David Griffith" <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>>>
>>>> Other than the obvious triteness of the the question---
>>>> What kind of warped pervert wants to have sex with a computer?
>>>
>>> This guy:
>>>
>>> http://www.schlabonski.de/zwiebeltuete.html
>>> ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/people/m/pix/comp
>>
>> ?Do I WANT to click any of those? I highly doubt I do.
>
> That depends... Are you a heterosexual female or a homosexual male?
>
> --
> David Griffith
> dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu
>
> A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 05:50:56 -0000
> From: "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register
> Message-ID: <471357C8-8BF8-4F71-AE4D-9982EA63F352 at gewt.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>
> On 11 Apr 2013, at 01:43, "David Griffith" <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote:
>>
>>> On 11 Apr 2013, at 01:03, "David Griffith" <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Other than the obvious triteness of the the question---
>>>>> What kind of warped pervert wants to have sex with a computer?
>>>>
>>>> This guy:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.schlabonski.de/zwiebeltuete.html
>>>> ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/people/m/pix/comp
>>>
>>> ?Do I WANT to click any of those? I highly doubt I do.
>>
>> That depends... Are you a heterosexual female or a homosexual male?
>
> Neither. So i'll take that as a no.
>
>>
>> --
>> David Griffith
>> dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu
>>
>> A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>> A: Top-posting.
>> Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:04:19 -0500
> From: John Foust <jfoust at threedee.com>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Re: Tech is the biggest problem facing archiving
> Message-ID: <201304111311.r3BDBlCO048989 at mx1.ezwind.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> At 07:58 PM 4/7/2013, Mouse wrote:
>>>> By providing virtualisation, VMware is doing for Intel platforms
>>>> what VM/370 did onmainframes in the 1970?s.
>>
>> Is it? How easy is it to run VM-in-VM with VMware? (That's a serious
>> question; I have never even looked at it myself. Work has never
>> required it, and, like all closed-source software, it's simply not
>> under consideration for my home use. Someday I want to learn enough of
>> the x86 hypervisor hardware facilities to build a hypervisor of my own,
>> but so far opportunity and inclination have not coincided for that.)
>
>
> Yes, you can run VMware within VMware within VMware. People do it
> for lab testing to see how a network of VMware hosts will interact
> with each other. There's a performance hit, of course, but it works.
>
> Don't forget to add the complication (a.k.a. feature) that each of
> those VMware can have their own virtual networks and virtual switches
> within. And what you do within the virtual machines within each layer
> is your own business; run whatever emulators within emulators that
> you like.
>
> Also keep in mind that Windows 7 Pro gives you a free downloadable
> Virtual PC and a license to a Windows XP Mode, and Windows 8 Pro gives
> you Hyper-V. Virtualization is at the fingertips of desktop users.
> Functionality that once required a complicated install on its own
> PC is now distributed as a several-gig virtual machine that includes
> its own operating system.
>
> To me, this is the way that emulators should be distributed for
> learning purposes. I've seen so many emulators that need all sorts
> of hand-tweaking of the emulator's configuration that requires
> foreknowledge of the typical configurations of the emulated system
> in question. The newbie doesn't know two layers of that. Give 'em
> a ready-to-go typical experience in an easy download that drops into
> VMware Player or Hyper-V.
>
> ... Now back to your regularly scheduled programming of the latest episode
> of "Those Who Do Not Wish To Learn Because They Know It All, Not Being
> Taught By Those Who Do Not Wish To Learn How to Teach The Unteachable."
>
> - John
>
>
>
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> Message: 27
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:32:10 -0500
> From: Geoffrey Oltmans <oltmansg at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: What is the correct material to use..
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> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Tothwolf <tothwolf at concentric.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Interesting. I wonder if they've changed the formula over the years? I was
>> taught that it was vegetable based, however the high percentage of Heavy
>> Naphthenic Oil /does/ help explain why it tends to gum up, since the
>> lighter hydrocarbons are going to evaporate, leaving the heavier stuff
>> (paraffin) behind.
>>
>> I think I'll stick with something like Boeshield T-9 if I need something
>> with a high paraffin content though.
>>
>
> I guess we should bear in mind that the lithium grease that they used on
> the drives originally dries out and/or gets contaminated with dust, etc.
> and gets gummy over time anyway. :)
>
> Just so people don't have the wrong impression: I was NOT advocating the
> use of WD-40 as a replacement lubricant, but rather an aid in cleaning the
> drive. Also as Tony just said, the drives eject mechs will work fine
> without it since they will see little wear and most of the greased parts
> are just guides rather than bearing surfaces (although they serve that
> purpose to a minor degree).
>
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> Message: 28
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:52:02 -0500
> From: John Foust <jfoust at threedee.com>
> To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Computer ASCII Text Art from the 1970's
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> At 01:24 PM 4/7/2013, craig at solomonson.net wrote:
>> I ran across some old computer art from the 1970's while sorting through
>> some old boxes in storage. It seems like nearly every computer lab and room
>> had a few posters hanging on the wall.
>
>
> I'd love to find the original data behind the Mona Lisa that
> was produced by CDC that was exhibited at VCF 2.0.
>
> <http://www.threedee.com/jcm/aaa/images/monaCHC.jpg>http://www.threedee.com/jcm/aaa/images/monaCHC.jpg
>
> - John
>
>
>
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On 4/12/2013 11:49 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
>
> also offlist..
>
> He's flaked on Jim Stephens, who was storing a bunch of SDS computer
> equipment for him in Kansas City as well.
>
> That reminds me, I should ask to take them off of the list of groups
> we forward unwanted donation offers to.
I would put in a word on John. He came and got his stuff, at my request
because I was possibly going to have to move out of space I was storing
his and my stuff in. He is obviously one who is heavy on assets and
very short on planning and sustainability. Just a hoarder like me
probably with somewhat less in income, since I had to help him with a
big Storage Tech pile he got to.
He did flake in that we never got access to tapes we wished to digitize
before they went down the rabbithole, and he is extremely hard to get in
touch with from time to time.
However I think he means well.
Again my main problem was that I was in a situation where I stored
someone elses stuff and if I got run out of the space didn't want to
have to move things (about 50 sq ft and heavy) that I didn't own.
I do have phone numbers from a year ago and if you persist you may be
able to contact him. But I don't have evidence there is a real museum,
but rather more likely a bunch of storage units.
thanks
Jim
I picked up a 5505 a while ago, and as I've been going through the docs from San Diego
there were a few Dynabyte manuals, which I'm currently uploading to bitsavers. The one
thing I haven't found is any media. These seem to be difficult to find, and the 5" ones
are going to be tough to image since they are 100tpi. Anyone have any Dynabyte media
left?
I'm in the process of restoring some original Macs (a 128 and 512) with a
friend and we have come across an issue with a floppy drive that is
strictly mechanical, and am wondering what others have done.
On the original 400K floppies there is a pin on the side that moves up and
down as the floppy goes in, and is ejected which in some sense locks the
floppy in either position. On one of these drives, the pivot point where
this pin connects to the rest of the mechanism isn't as "free" as it should
be, and initially caused the drive to be either stuck in the open or closed
position. We've cleaned around the pin (Q-tips and isopropyl alcohol) and
then lubricated it with some WD-40 (using Q-tip as well) as a start. This
approach did free it up enough that it moves from "open" without the
floppy, but when the motor goes to eject it, the mechanism is still a bit
slow to move (which prevents the disk from ejecting by motor alone). Using
the good ol' paper-clip shows that that mechanism works fine, though is
just a little slow... which tells us that it's still not as free as it
should be.
We're trying to figure what type of lubricant would have been on this
before (or what would be the proper modern replacement)
Any thoughts?
Thanks.
Earl
