December 2011 - test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

tools for reverse engineering schematics from boards?

by legalize＠xmission.com

I've got a bunch of Nuclear Data peripheral circuit boards that I need to reverse engineer. They are simple circuit boards with all the tracings visible (i.e. no internal layers) and the parts are all 7400 series logic in standard DIP packaging. If I were to do this manually, I would take high resolution photographs of both sides of the board. From the photographs, I would try to recreate engineering drawings: part placement and circuit topology. I'm wondering what kind of tools are out there that would assist in this. Could I process the photos to extract the topology of the printed circuit traces? Can I correlate this with image recognition of the part packages and combine them to product a netlist? I'd appreciate hearing any experiences from others that have reverse engineered circuitry. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 version available for download <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com/the-direct3d-graphics-pipeline/> Legalize Adulthood! <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>

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Word Perfect 5.1 Documents?

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

I make the bulk of my living converting documents in WordPerfect 5 and up, IBM DCF and Bookmaster, and Interleaf to current formats. Is anyone interested in hearing a bit about the problems using current word processors to import the old formats? It's sort of on-topic, as these are vintage products, even if still in use, but I won't bother the list if it's not of interest. Brian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _| _| _| Brian Knittel _| _| _| Quarterbyte Systems, Inc. _| _| _| Tel: 1-510-559-7930 _| _| _| http://www.quarterbyte.com

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Computer Graphics Museum sprawl 2

by legalize＠xmission.com

Here are photos updated with the state of things as of tonight: <http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/cgm/sprawl2/index.html> Progress made: - SGI PIs loaded into shelving - SGI Indigo^2s loaded into shelving - Remaining HP equipment shelved - Beehive terminals shelved -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 version available for download <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com/the-direct3d-graphics-pipeline/> Legalize Adulthood! <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>

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Word Perfect 5.1 Documents?

by a50mhzham＠gmail.com

At 05:57 PM 12/6/2011, you wrote: >from something I dug up > >"OpenOffice Writer can read WordPerfect 5.1 documents, as can Microsoft >Word" My OpenOffice 3.3.0 doesn't explicitly say it will, but I think I've done it in the past, so I take your comment as confirming what I seem to recall. >see > >http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/reading-wordsatar-… >On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote: > > > Out of curiosity, what is there in the way of modern software that can > > read Word Perfect 5.1 (probably some 5.2 as well) for DOS documents? The > > good news is that I retrieved all these files at some point in the past > > from the 3.5" floppy they were on. :-) 764 . [Stupidity] Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. --Albert Einstein NEW: a50mhzham at gmail.com ? N9QQB (amateur radio) "HEY YOU" (loud shouting) ? Second Tops (Set Dancing) ? FIND ME ON FACEBOOK 43? 7' 17.2" N by 88? 6' 28.9" W ? Elevation 815' ? Grid Square EN53wc LAN/Telecom Analyst ? Open-source Dude ? Musician ? Registered Linux User 385531

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Velleman PCS64i O-scope Software?

by mbbrutman-cctalk＠brutman.com

I'm going to plunge into the world of slightly more advanced electronics, and one of my teaching tools is a Velleman PCS64i that I just inherited. It's an o-scope front end that interfaces to a PC to provide the display. I'm looking for the DOS software - it is not available on Velleman's web site any more. I found the Windows software, but I'd rather keep it simple for now. If you have the DOS software please let me know .. Thanks, Mike

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wanted: raised flooring for cheap

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

Bus and tag cables are huge.

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wanted: raised flooring for cheap

by vintagecoder＠aol.com

The setups I have seen require a lot of square footage. You have printers, tape drives, and big DASD farms connecting to controllers and communications controllers and finally the mainframe which may itself be a complex consisting of more than one physical box. I have not seen a machine room that wasn't all raised floor. I don't know that a small setup exists with the bus and tag technology but that was years ago. The new stuff is smaller and also doesn't need raised floor. Seems like it's probably an either or situation. When you need raised floor you need a lot. When you don't, you don't. ------Original Message------ From: ben Sender: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org To: cctalk at classiccmp.org ReplyTo: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: wanted: raised flooring for cheap Sent: 7 Dec 2011 18:26 On 12/7/2011 11:10 AM, Vintage Coder wrote: > Bus and tag cables are huge. The other problem with raised flooring is who's floor are you on? With a small system, could a raised island be built, with the computing equipment raised say a foot or so, with just false floor between the equipment. Ben.

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Word Perfect 5.1 Documents?

by maurice.smulders＠gmail.com

http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/wptoword.html Lots of options it looks like... OpenOffice / LibreOffice is an opensource way of doing it... Maurice On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote: > Out of curiosity, what is there in the way of modern software that can > read Word Perfect 5.1 (probably some 5.2 as well) for DOS documents? The > good news is that I retrieved all these files at some point in the past > from the 3.5" floppy they were on. :-) > > Zane-- >

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Word Perfect 5.1 Documents?

by mokuba＠gmail.com

Well, i'll check into that once i get done rebuilding my router! :) I'll image them and throw them online (my router, coincidentally, is the only machine with a 3.5" floppy drive :> ) On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote: > At 11:42 PM -0500 12/6/11, Gary Sparkes wrote: >> >> Heck, I have a copy of WP 5.1 for dos sitting unused in a box. Perhaps >> a copy of that will be easy to use for conversion? :) > > > If the disks are readable, I have WP 4.2, 5.1, and 5.2 for DOS. I should > also have a copy of WP for Windows 6.0, and WP for Mac around here. I used > to be big into WP before I moved to the Mac and moved to Word (hated WP for > Mac). The trick will be reviving a system, hopefully one with a version on > the HD still runs. Wasn't expecting 4.2 data, or it to be such a pain. :-( > > > Zane > > > > -- > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > | | Photographer | > +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | My flickr Photostream | > | http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/ | -- Gary G. Sparkes Jr. KB3HAG

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how to: automatically combine images into a larger mosaic

by legalize＠xmission.com

I finally found a tutorial and software to combine smaller scans of large documents into a single mosaic of the larger sheet. <http://hugin.sourceforge.net/tutorials/scans/en.shtml> gives a nice tutorial of how to run hugin panorama tools to generate the mosaic. You must change some parameters from the default and this tutorial explains which of the many parameters you must change. Here are some results I got from using this technique: <http://user.xmission.com/~legalize/tmp/calcomp-schematic.png> <http://user.xmission.com/~legalize/tmp/aesthedes-keyboard.png> -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 version available for download <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com/the-direct3d-graphics-pipeline/> Legalize Adulthood! <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>

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House of the Rising, erhm ... TI-99/4A

by doug＠blinkenlights.com

Not mine, but I had to post it.... http://youtu.be/w68qZ8JvBds instruments a. HP Scanjet 3P, Adaptec SCSI card and a computer powered by Ubuntu v9.10 OS as the Vocals. (hey, the scanner is old) b. Atari 800XL with an EiCO Oscilloscope as the Organ c. Texas instrument Ti-99/4A with a Tektronix Oscilloscope as the Guitar d. Hard-drive powered by a PiC16F84A microcontroller as the bass drum and cymbal

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Old Apple price lists

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

Where can I find an archive of old Apple price lists, particularly from the 70s and 80s? -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

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Word Perfect 5.1 Documents?

by halarewich＠gmail.com

>from something I dug up "OpenOffice Writer can read WordPerfect 5.1 documents, as can Microsoft Word" see http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/reading-wordsatar-… On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote: > Out of curiosity, what is there in the way of modern software that can > read Word Perfect 5.1 (probably some 5.2 as well) for DOS documents? The > good news is that I retrieved all these files at some point in the past > from the 3.5" floppy they were on. :-) > > Zane > > > > -- > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > | | Photographer | > +-----------------------------**-----+------------------------**----+ > | My flickr Photostream | > | http://www.flickr.com/photos/**33848088 at N03/<http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/> | >

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The Strange Birth and Long Life of Unix

by a50mhzham＠gmail.com

Interesting article about the 40th anniversary of the progenitor of many modern operating systems. It even mentions our very own Al Kossow, "One holy grail that eluded us for a long time was the first edition of Unix in any form, electronic or otherwise. Then, in 2006, Al Kossow >from the <http://www.computerhistory.org/>Computer History Museum, in Mountain View, Calif., unearthed a printed study of Unix dated 1972, which not only covered the internal workings of Unix but also included a complete assembly listing of the kernel, the main component of this operating system. This was an amazing find?like discovering an old Ford Model T collecting dust in a corner of a barn. But we didn't just want to admire the chrome work from afar. We wanted to see the thing run again." http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/the-strange-birth-and-long-life… I love the picture of the very first man page. 601 . [Science] All science is either physics or stamp collecting. --Ernest (1st Baron) Rutherford (1871-1937) NEW: a50mhzham at gmail.com ? N9QQB (amateur radio) "HEY YOU" (loud shouting) ? Second Tops (Set Dancing) ? FIND ME ON FACEBOOK 43? 7' 17.2" N by 88? 6' 28.9" W ? Elevation 815' ? Grid Square EN53wc LAN/Telecom Analyst ? Open-source Dude ? Musician ? Registered Linux User 385531

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Tandata TD1100 printer port

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

As I mnentioend the other night, I've added the parallel printer port to that TD1100 viewdata terminal. The output is a DA15 socket, and in fact the hardest part of adding the port was cutting the back panel of the unit ot allow the conenctor to come through. I had to remove the back panel entirely from the PCB, which invovled desoldering the line wires and the mains wiring.... Anyway. I then had to make a cable from the DA15 to a 36 pin Microribbon conenctor to conenct ot a Cnetronics-interfaced printer. As I mentioend, I'd gueessed as to what the signals were, so I sued those guesses for the initial wiring. Connected the unit to an old Epson FX80+ and pressed the 'print' key on the terminal. It printed. Some garbage, some readable text. I then rememebred the pritner setup screen (type 'P#' at the dialer screen) and found it was set to 'teletext compatible' -- i.e. it would handle the various teletxt/viewdata controll codes and graphics. I reset it to 'ASCII text' and tried again. This time it printed correctly -- almsot. It was double-spacign the lines. I then realsied that the pritner had previously been used with a BBC micro, a machine that, by default, sends only a <CR> as a newline. There's a DIP swithc in most old Epsons to cater for this, it foces the AutoFeedXT line on the inteface conenctor low. Only problem was, I didn't haev the printer manaul. Oh well, I just took it apart and traced the conenctions from the AutoFeedXT pin through the filter resistor to a DRIP swithc. Turnrf it off (so it no longer asserted the AutoFeedXT signal) and put the pritner together. This time it worked fine. My gueses on the printer port signals had probed to be correct. In case anyoen else wants to do it, here's the wirelist (and colours) of the cable I made : 1 o----D3------Or----o 5 2 o----D6------Bu----o 8 3 o----D7------Pu----o 9 4 o----D0------Bk----o 2 5 o----D4------Y-----o 6 6 o----D5------Gn----o 7 7 o----Err/----R/Bu--o 32 8 o----Gnd-----Gy----o 19 9 o----Gnd-----W-----o 30 10 o----D1------Be----o 3 11 o----D2------R-----o 4 12 o----Init/---Tq----o 31 13 o----Stb/----Pk----o 1 14 o----Ack/----R/Y---o 10 15 o----Busy----R/Gn--o 11 DA15P 36 pin Microribbon -tony

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Wanted -- cheap GPIB / HPIB / IEEE488 cables!

by classiccmp＠philpem.me.uk

Hi guys, Does anyone here have a surplus of GPIB, HPIB or IEEE488 cables (they're all the same thing) with metric threads? (the thumbscrews will probably be black -- the silver ones are AIUI usually some SAE thread type or other). I'm after a couple of the short 1-2ft "instrument to instrument" cables, a 1-metre (to replace a nasty little knockoff cable which has excessively long thumbscrews) and a 2-metre (to replace a buggered up Belden cable). These seem to be commanding utterly insane prices on Greed-Bay, and are basically unavailable elsewhere... Thanks, -- Phil. classiccmp at philpem.me.uk http://www.philpem.me.uk/

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Multiple IBM System/34 systems available in Albany, Georgia

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

Some good looking, vintage systems, located in Georgia. Contact KAY below if interested: See photos here: http://oldcomputers.net/temp/ibm_system34.jpg http://oldcomputers.net/temp/5291_monitor.jpg http://oldcomputers.net/temp/5251_monitor.jpg http://oldcomputers.net/temp/5225_printer.jpg Kay writes: I have *four* IBM System/34 minicomputers from the late 1970s. I also have *three* 5225 Printers, monitors, instruction books. Also 8" floppy disks to complete the sets. Interested in selling or donating to a good cause. Thank you, Kay Ragan kgragan at bellsouth.net Flint Beverage Co., Inc. Albany, GA

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Paging Vince Briel

by sellam＠vintagetech.com

Does anyone know how to get in touch with Vince Briel these days? I've tried e-mail to no avail and his website is a closed loop. If you are in contact with him please pass along that I'd like to speak with him. Thanks! -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

13 years, 7 months

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Computer Graphics Museum sprawl

by legalize＠xmission.com

I've moved the collection of the Computer Graphics Museum to its new home in Salt Lake City and now I'm organizing the collection. Here are some pics of everything sprawled out over the floor during the initial move: <http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/cgm/index.html> -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 version available for download <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com/the-direct3d-graphics-pipeline/> Legalize Adulthood! <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>

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Idioms (was: Re: Mac/Mac Programming/Cocoa...)

by mtapley＠swri.edu

At 7:29 -0600 12/6/11, <cctalk-request at classiccmp.org> wrote: >On Tue, 6 Dec 2011, Liam Proven wrote: > > > As I write I am on my easy hinge from an excellent early Yule party. Mine >> Joys of predictive text entry on a keyboardless smartphone. Er, when >> drunk. That was /meant/ to say "I am on my way home..." 8?) > >Damn. > >I thought that it was a nice colorful idiomatic expression. LOL. I have always wondered where all the nice colorful British idiomatic expressions come from. At last I know! -- - Mark 210-379-4635 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Large Asteroids headed toward planets inhabited by beings that don't have technology adequate to stop them: Think of it as Evolution in Fast-Forward.

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institutional amnesia

by toby＠telegraphics.com.au

I am sure many on the list will painfully recognise this scenario: http://wrttn.in/04af1a "I had naively hoped digitization would solve our problems forever. My manager was reading a dense book about it that I picked up out of curiosity. It had seemed persuasive. But, the old-fashioned phone and email tree worked a bit better. The old research division is still mostly intact, and their physical library exists. ... The paper documents tauntingly sport IDs announcing that they had been digitized by Big Digitization Corp at some point in the past. Who knows what happened to that archive." --Toby

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Archiving ST-506 drives

by legalize＠xmission.com

What's the best way to do this? I believe I have vintage PCs with ISA slots and ST-506 hard drive controllers, so that may be an option. However, the drives I want to archive are not from a PC system, but have the ST-506 electrical interface. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 version available for download <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com/the-direct3d-graphics-pipeline/> Legalize Adulthood! <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>

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Tandata (Tantel) Viewdata terminal configuration

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

I've got a small Viewdate (PRestel) terminal on the bench at the momnet, a Tandata TD1100. I've made a few modifications, in particular I've removed the RF modualtor (which I find to be a pain), added the RGB oupt ucomponents, and fitted a 3 pin DIN socket in place of the redundant RF output socket with the pins wired to the audio signal, compostie video and ground. So I can now use it with compoite or RGB monitors. I've also added the printer port components. [For reference, the RGB output components are the ones hidden by the modulator can. The IC is a 74LS364, there are 4 resistors, all 220 Ohm, 5 picofuses to protect the telephone line agians a breakdown i nthe monitor wihci puts a high voltage on the input pins, 8 5.6V zener diodes and the 5 pin DIN socket. Fit the link F-D to get TTL sync. For the compopstie output, fit 10uF or 47uF capacitors in the 2 spaces hiddle by the modulator. Reduse the seires reissotr in the compostie signal (I think it's R9 on the PCB) from 1k to 220 Ohms. Fit a DIN socket in place of the RF output socket (the fibreglass insualtor of the latter can be drileld ot take a single-hole mountign DIN socket) and wire the pins to ground, the right hand hole of R5 (audio) and hole E (video). For the pritner prot, the 3 missign chips are 74LS374, a 74LS365 and a 74LS74. Since these have different numebrs of pins, it's obvious which goes where. The outptu conenctor is a DA15, you have yo cut a regtasnlge out of the back panel.] anyway, it does seem to work. I've conencted it to another modem[1] -- neither needs any DC line 'battery' so just connecting them together was enough. I've discovered that from the 'dialer' screen, presing '#' energises the line relay and conencts the lien audio to the audio output. If it then detecs a carrier from the remote modem, it goes into on-line mode, it then disables audio fro mthe line to the audio output and turns on tis transmit carrier. Obviosuly trasmit ias at 75 buard, receive is at 1200 baud, it's 7 bits, even parity (and it cares about the parity). [1] An old Miracle WS2000, the black box with 3 knovbs on the front that weas commonly used with the BBC micor. It's an AM7910 and not much else, I like it because it can be controlled from the front paenl rotary swiches, and I Know exactly waht it's going to do. Since I only use it on a private system (my line simulator), I've eneabled the Bell modes by remove the pin from the rotary switch. I'd love to find the autodial and answer boards for it, but no chance... So far, so good. But one thing I can''t figure out on this TD1100 is the dialer. The dialer scrren shows 6 telehone numbers which I beleive are stored in battery-backed RAM inside the unit. at this screen, typing in 1 to 6 followed by a '#' dials that number foem the list and then goes itn othe on-line mode. As I said, a plain '# gopes into that mode iwthout dialing. Most other keys give a 'Please Try Again' error message. A 'P' (must be upper case, and note that caps lock is cleaered whenever you get to this screen) goes ota printer setup page (3 options). What I can't do is figure out hoe to set the numbers and/or dial an arbitrary number entered from the keyboard (ad since the battery in my unit is long dead and I've removed it, all the numbers on the lsit are strigns of zeros, not that useful!). I really don't want ot have to disassemble the firmware. Another thing that would be useful, but I probably can figure this out, is the ppinout of the DA15 pritnr conenctor. It's clearly TTL level parallel. There are 2 opuptu ports, oen 8 bits (data I assume), one 2 bits (I guess one of thsoe is strobe, what the other is I don't know) and 3 inputs (one is conencted to a pusle-stretcher, adn is prsumably Ack/, one of the others is probably Busy). Any ideas? -tony

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Harvard v. von Neumann

by ploopster＠gmail.com

According to what I've read, the Burroughs B5000 and Manchester Atlas were both Harvard architecture and the GE-645 was von Neumann. Am I correct in my understanding? Peace... Sridhar

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manx mirror archive restored

by legalize＠xmission.com

There were a bunch of documents that used to be mirrored on vt100.net. Someone sent me a tarball with a partial backup and I found another place on the net that had a backup copy of the mirrored documents. I've transferred them over to manx.classiccmp.org and you can browse them here: <http://manx.classiccmp.org/mirror/> I've also grabbed some stuff from vt100.net in case that content disappears again. At some point the manx database will have its URLs updated, but that is a lower priority item at the moment. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 version available for download <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com/the-direct3d-graphics-pipeline/> Legalize Adulthood! <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>

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Official DEC card mechanical specs

by fraveydank＠gmail.com

I've been more seriously contemplating my QBUS multi-purpose card idea now that one of my other major projects is nearly done. I've been unable to find any official or even quasi-official mechanical specs for DEC cards (QBUS, UNIBUS, etc). I'm obviously looking in the wrong places, since there's a wide degree of uniformity; I'm looking for things like board outlines, edge bevels, component clearances and the like. The electrical specs are in quite a few places, so I'm not worried about that. Interestingly enough, my Douglas CAD software for my old Mac has DEC card outline templates pre-stored. However, I'm not even entirely sure Douglas makes PCBs anymore, and I imagine they can't beat my preferred board house on price (I'd love to be wrong). - Dave

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Computer Graphics Museum sprawl

by jlobocki＠gmail.com

Those SGIs seem to have taken quite a beating. the bigger question is, how many of the lightbars still work in the octanes? Ive got mine modded with "incandescent white" LEDs. On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote: > At 5:31 PM -0700 12/2/11, Richard wrote: > >> I've moved the collection of the Computer Graphics Museum to its new >> home in Salt Lake City and now I'm organizing the collection. Here >> are some pics of everything sprawled out over the floor during the >> initial move: <http://manx.classiccmp.org/**collections/cgm/index.html<http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/cgm/index.html> >> > >> > > Good Heavens! And I thought I had storage problems! :-) > > What really stands out is some very serious SGI Hardware. I'm envious of > those Octanes. I only have a pair of o2's. > > Zane > > > > -- > | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | > | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | > | | Photographer | > +-----------------------------**-----+------------------------**----+ > | My flickr Photostream | > | http://www.flickr.com/photos/**33848088 at N03/<http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/> | >

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"The Complete Historically Brewed" book

by david＠classiccomputing.com

Almost 100 copies were pre-sold through Kickstarter, but you can still buy a copy of this First Edition / Special Kickstarter Edition - with very limited supplies. Please email me directly if you're interested. Thanks! http://www.classiccomputing.com/CC/HB_Book.html Best, David Greelish, Computer Historian President, Atlanta Historical Computing Society Classic Computing The Home of Computer History Nostalgia http://www.classiccomputing.com Classic Computing Blog Retro Computing Roundtable podcast "Stan Veit's History of the Personal Computer" audiobook podcast Classic Computing Show video podcast

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Big iron for sale in Milwaukee - S.E.L. 810A

by tosteve＠yahoo.com

Vintage "Systems Engineering Laboratories" S.E.L. 810A computer from approx. 1967 is for sale. That's all I know. Contact Sonia for more information: Sonia Perich itsusperich2 at gmail.com Upload your pictures once you buy it. Thanks- Steve.

13 years, 7 months

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Microsoft OS/2 1.1 on eBay

by dave＠mitton.com

On 11/30/2011 01:00 PM, cctech-request at classiccmp.org wrote: >Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:27:07 -0500 >From: Jim Scheef <scheefj at netscape.net> >To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >Subject: Microsoft OS/2 1.1 on eBay > >Did anyone on the list win the Microsoft OS/2 1.1 auction that closed a >few weeks ago? I would dearly like to get images of those disks... > >Jim I rummaged around some more and found 7 3.5" 2MB floppies of IBM OS/2 V1.10 (c) 1988 (IBM and Microsoft) 1- Installation Diskette 4- Operating System 2 -Patches (Corrective Service XR03020) Does someone want these? (for postage) I have a ton of "vintage" DOS and Windows ware. I haven't figured out where/how to dispose of. Dave.

13 years, 7 months

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DEC 728 pwr sup and 844 pwr controller

by useddec＠gmail.com

That's right, no "H" before the number, and that means OLD. Can't remember what they came out of, and havn't had time to check, but I found a few of each while digging today. If anyone is interested, please contact me off- list. I also have several hundred Q- bus boards I would like to find a new home for. Thanks, Paul

13 years, 7 months

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Alpha, VAX available in Sweden

by pontus＠update.uu.se

Hi If you live close to Gothenburg and can act within a few days I know of some medium sized alpha and small vax machines available for pickup. VT100 and VT520 terminals also. Contact me offlist. Regards, Pontus.

13 years, 7 months

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Need A Wyse WY-50?

by ohh＠panix.com

There's a Wyse WY-50 terminal which has been sitting in a box in a warehouse for nobody-really-knows-how-long which has recently come into my hands. I haven't tried powering it up - it probably wants a good checking-out first - but it looks to be in very good cosmetic condition, and the people who gave it to me say it was working when it was stowed. Keyboard, power cord and manual are all with it. It's in Seattle. Free if you can pick it up (Seattle Center, Opera House, we can arrange a time), or UPS shipping costs if you want it shipped. Slight preference to anyone who's willing to pick it up. :) E-mail ohh at panix.com if interested. -O.-

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VT100, PDT 11/150

by jgessling＠yahoo.com

Looking through some pictures my sister in law had brought over.? Everyone was ooing and ahhing about the cute kids, except me.? I noticed in the background of one my old DEC PDT 11/150 and a VT100.? Circa 1982 those were the latest and with a modem allowed me to log in to the VAX at work.? Good stuff!? Also a Heathkit H19 terminal that I had built from a kit. The PDT 11/150 was an LSI-11 single board computer stacked on top of 2 8in floppies.? That thing really clattered when I ran it.? I had bought a UCSD P-system for it from a UCSD spin off that supported that box.? The PASCAL was compatible with the Apple II so it was actually useful.? I wrote a 2D gravity modeling program for it that my boss ran on his Apple II to his hearts content without any mainframe charges.?? I can even remember how much it all cost.? The PASCAL system was $500, the H19 $500.? The VT100 and modem were loaners from work, the PDT 11 was free, DEC was giving them away to good customers, I suppose because they couldn't sell them.? Good times. Regards, Jim

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Mac/Mac Programming/Cocoa/HyperTalk Books free - Melbourne Australia

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 12:27 PM 12/3/2011, Liam Proven wrote: >On 3 December 2011 03:36, Toby Thain <toby at telegraphics.com.au> wrote: >> >> Right -- you should be able to find it in used bookstores where you are. >> >> ...they still exist, right? :/ > >Yeah, London has a fair few. Oddly, though, the specialists are >getting quite expensive now. Charity shops are the only place for >cheap books, but they almost exclusively deal in trashy fiction, >celebrity books and coffee-table picture books. Does Hay-on-Wye, (Y Gelli Gandryll), the famous Wales book town, have a shop dedicated to tech or classic computing? I've had dinner with King Richard Booth once or twice. He had the idea to buy up all those shipping containers of old books otherwise destined for the pulper, and sorting them by topic and creating used book shops throughout that city. I have a similar pile of old Mac Think C era books and Mac developer program newsletters. And then there's all the MSDN CDs and C compiler stuffs from various PC compilers. Not quite sure what to do with it all. - John

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SCSI replacements (was Re: Data General computer)

by lynchaj＠yahoo.com

>SCSI replacements (was Re: Data General computer) >Jim Brain brain at jbrain.com >Thu Dec 1 22:36:45 CST 2011 > >Previous message: SCSI replacements (was Re: Data General computer) >Next message: SCSI replacements (was Re: Data General computer) >Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Reading the vcforum thread mentioned earlier, Andrew noted there was a >previous cctalk SCSI->SD discussion here, but that it died out. What >happened there? > >JIm > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi Jim! Thanks! Although the SCSI to IDE/SD project is going slowly I did get about 20 PCBs earlier this year. So far we've gotten some builds underway and at least one builder has gotten the board to run Zapple as a debug monitor as a "proof of life". The project is quite a ways and is nearly complete. All it needs is some community involvement to push it to completion. In particular, it needs verification of the IDE, SD, and SCSI interfaces. Then it will need some firmware to handle the conversion. The main advantage of the project is that it is completely open and free. If there is sufficient interest, I will order another batch of PCBs or try to get those builders with incomplete PCBs to swap them out. In my opinion, this project is nearly complete and the shortest path to a working SCSI to IDE/SD converter. All it needs is some TLC and push from the community. As per the usual N8VEM guidelines this board uses all commonly available parts and is designed to be simple to assemble using basic tools. Please help finish this project. I sincerely think it will be valuable for years to come and it would be nice to discuss an actual converter during this frequent topic on CCTALK. Thanks and have a nice day! Andrew Lynch PS, I recognise the microcontroller/FPGA/CPLD approach is valid but they never seem to get off the drawing board. http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?22906-SCSI-1-to-from… http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?25989-Another-round-… http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder&param=MINI%20SCSI%20…

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russian PDP-11 like K1801BM2 CPU Startup reading w/o address?

by holm＠freibergnet.de

I want to play with a russian K1801BM2 CPU (K1801VM2). My russian from the school is very very rusty and so I have problems to understand what's going on with this CPU while startup. There is some "besadresnoe tschtanie", a read from the bus w/o sending out an address before w/o active SYNC. It is right, that this read is building the upper 8 bits from the start address in the rom area with Systemu Mode (Halt Mode) = 1? Can anyone please confirm this? BTW: how is this external register to be done in HW? Does anyone know if there are schematics of SBCs existing w/o special support ICs like The K1801VP1-55 or so? Kind Regards and thanks in advance, Holm -- Technik Service u. Handel Tiffe, www.tsht.de, Holm Tiffe, Freiberger Stra?e 42, 09600 Obersch?na, USt-Id: DE253710583 www.tsht.de, info at tsht.de, Fax +49 3731 74200, Mobil: 0172 8790 741

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S-100 8086 CPU boards available

by lynchaj＠yahoo.com

Hi! The S-100 8086 CPU boards are available for a limited time. Most of the boards are already committed to builders but there are some extras. They are $20 each plus $3 shipping in the US and $6 elsewhere. Please send a PayPal to LYNCHAJ at YAHOO.COM and I will send your boards right away. Thanks and have a nice day! Andrew Lynch http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder&param=S-100%208086%2… http://s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/8086%20Board/8086%20CPU%20Boar…

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SCSI hard drives of large form factors

by michael.99.thompson＠gmail.com

>Here's something I was thinking about the other day. I *know* for a fact that SCSI interface hard drives existed with 8" platters. I've never seen one, however. Does anyone know of any specific model numbers, or have any product information or pictures of such devices? I just looked in my collection of 8" drives. I have two 8" Imprimis/CDC 97201-12G PA8P1A ST81236N Sabre drives with the original style SCSI connectors on the back. There are manuals for the drive on Bitsavers at: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/cdc/discs/sabre/83325700N_PA8xx_736-1230mb_Par…, and http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/cdc/discs/sabre/83325720F_PA8xx_736-1230mb_Mai…. The manuals say that the drives are 1.2G, 512 byte/sector drives with an HP SCSI differential interface. I can post pictures if you are interested. -- Michael Thompson

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Looking for Vaxstation 3100 model 30 RAM expansion

by derschjo＠mail.msu.edu

I know I kind of touched on this in my earlier diagnostic query, but I thought I'd send out a more obvious request: Anyone have a memory expansion for a Vaxstation 3100 (model 30) they're willing to part with? Something 8MB or larger would be wonderful. I have a wide variety of DEC (and other) hardware to trade. Thanks as always, Josh

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Donner 3500 Manuals Posted

by billdeg＠degnanco.com

I have received a few requests for the Donner 3500 instruction manual, which I have posted on my site, with related docs http://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread_record.cfm?id=421&tid=9 It appears a few of these are popping out of the woodwork lately. There are now at least 8 now known to exist, maybe more. Bill Degnan

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Steve Jobs

by evan＠snarc.net

Tonight I finished reading Walter Isaacson's book about Jobs. It is very good, and I highly recommend it. I urge cctalk'ers to read it and constantly keep in mind * the big picture * instead of being your usual nit-picky selves about tech details.

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Christmas cleanup!

by bdwheele＠indiana.edu

Hey everyone! I need to raise some money for gifts this year so I'm cleaning out some of the systems I don't play with any more. Terms: * I'm in Bloomington, IN (47408) * Everything works as of the last time I turned them on * Things that are shipped: Payment via paypal + actual costs for shipping * Things that aren't shipped: Cash only, and I can meet within a 50 mile radius or so. That means the south side of Indy, Terre Haute, etc. * If it seems too high, make me an offer. Of course, if it seems to low you can offer too :) * Sun Ultra 5 ($40, will ship) 333 MHz UltraSPARC IIi, 256M RAM, CDROM, Floppy, Needs ATA HD * IBM RS/6000 43p 7248 ($20, will ship) 133 MHz PPC 604, 96M RAM, 2.2G SCSI Disk, CDROM * DEC VT-420 ($25) Amber, Keyboard, 2 MMJ Ports * DEC VT-220 ($25) Green, Keyboard, DB25 Port * DECserver 200/MC ($25, will ship) 8 db25 ports * AUI 10BaseT Tranceivers ($1 each, will ship) 10 available, 12" cable * 21" NeXT MegaPixel Color ($25) Model N4005A, 13w3 connector * Kaypro 4/84 ($150) a: 5.25", b: 3.5", original disks for: cp/m 2.2g, basic-80, microplan, c-basic, datastar, reportstar, calcstar, wordstar, mailmerge, s-basic, suprterm,dbase ii; looks like a pretty full set of manuals. I have the 2nd 5.25" drive if you want it as well. Broken right hand keyboard latch. * Amiga 1000 System ($350) In original box with manuals. 256K expansion, 1M side expansion, kickstart/workbench 1.1, 1.2, and 1.3 (originals and copies, some disks fail due to age, but I could boot 1.1 and 1.3). Zenith color composite monitor, and misc software. * Apple IIgs System ($100) 3.5" and 5.25" drives. System 5.0.4 software plus lots of educational stuff. 12" color monitor. Owner's reference and getting started guide. * 22 8" floppies ($10, will ship) If they weren't so big they'd make great stocking stuffers. Maybe they can be hung outside the stocking?

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Storing cables

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

I suspect many of use have this sort of problem, and I'd be interested in hearing any solutions to it. Moat classic computers have various little bits that go with them, in particular cables and connector adaptors. In some cases these are specific to one particular type of machine (e.g. the user prot adaptor for the Acor Cabridge Workstation), others are rather more generic (the same cassette lead fits all TRS-80 M1, M3, M4 and M100 machins, along with the IBM 5150), and still others are totally generic (HPIB cables, 'kettle leads', etc). I find storing thes parts, partircularly the 'somewhat generic' ones is a problem, and I can never find what I need. You cna't categorise them by machine (becase, for example, a TRS-80 M1 RS232 cable is specific to that machine (it plugs into an esdge conenctor on the EI), the pritner cable also fits the M3 and M4 machines, the cassette lead also fits the IBM PC), you vcan;'t realy do it by function (a DBd25-DB25 lead could be used for several purposes, not only RS232), and so on. Any ideas? I am getting fed up with having to re-make a cable which I know I made a couple years earlier, but for a different machine, and which I now can't find. -tony

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Data General computer

by a50mhzham＠gmail.com

I believe they have multiple (6? More?) Pentium or Pentium Pro processors. At 07:20 PM 11/30/2011, you wrote: >Do you know if these are Intel AViiON computers or Motorola 88k based >machines? > >-Matt > >On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Tom <a50mhzham at gmail.com> wrote: > > > I might be soon coming into possession of some Data General stuff. Maybe > > an Aviion 66. There's a second one, maybe a model 37? I'm not sure. No > > drives. I'm going to see what's there and post the inventory in the next > > few weeks. I've never heard of any demand for these; anyone know if there > > would be any interest? I realize my question is based on pretty sketchy > > information so far, but that's all I know. > > > > -T > > > > > > > > > > > > 434 . [Humor] My school colors were clear. --Steven Wright > > NEW: a50mhzham at gmail.com ? N9QQB (amateur radio) > > "HEY YOU" (loud shouting) ? Second Tops (Set Dancing) ? FIND ME ON FACEBOOK > > 43? 7' 17.2" N by 88? 6' 28.9" W ? Elevation 815' ? Grid Square EN53wc > > LAN/Telecom Analyst ? Open-source Dude ? Musician ? Registered Linux User > > 385531 > > 140 . [Philosophy] Faith means not _wanting_ to know the truth. --Nietzsche NEW: a50mhzham at gmail.com ? N9QQB (amateur radio) "HEY YOU" (loud shouting) ? Second Tops (Set Dancing) ? FIND ME ON FACEBOOK 43? 7' 17.2" N by 88? 6' 28.9" W ? Elevation 815' ? Grid Square EN53wc LAN/Telecom Analyst ? Open-source Dude ? Musician ? Registered Linux User 385531

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Data General computer

by a50mhzham＠gmail.com

I might be soon coming into possession of some Data General stuff. Maybe an Aviion 66. There's a second one, maybe a model 37? I'm not sure. No drives. I'm going to see what's there and post the inventory in the next few weeks. I've never heard of any demand for these; anyone know if there would be any interest? I realize my question is based on pretty sketchy information so far, but that's all I know. -T 434 . [Humor] My school colors were clear. --Steven Wright NEW: a50mhzham at gmail.com ? N9QQB (amateur radio) "HEY YOU" (loud shouting) ? Second Tops (Set Dancing) ? FIND ME ON FACEBOOK 43? 7' 17.2" N by 88? 6' 28.9" W ? Elevation 815' ? Grid Square EN53wc LAN/Telecom Analyst ? Open-source Dude ? Musician ? Registered Linux User 385531

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Archiving Xebec S1410 / S1410A controlled ST-506 drives

by glen.slick＠gmail.com

As a follow up to Richard's question, does anyone have any experience archiving an Xebec S1410 / S1410A SASI controlled drive from a relatively modern system? If the SASI controller doesn't support the standard SCSI Inquiry and Read Capacity commands I wouldn't expect that you could simply connect it to a SCSI host controller on a Linux box and "dd" the drive contents to a disk image file. -Glen

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