30 Nov
2011
30 Nov
'11
9:24 p.m.
Tonight I finished reading Walter Isaacson's book about Jobs. It is very good, and I
highly recommend it.
I urge cctalk'ers to read it and constantly keep in mind * the big picture * instead
of being your usual nit-picky selves about tech details.
30 Nov
30 Nov
9:32 p.m.
Interesting ? I personally found it disappointing on many levels. Instead
of enumerating them all here, I strongly encourage to listen to the
fantastic episode of the *Hypercritical* podcast, which splendidly
enumerates the many flaws on the book (most of which I agree with):
http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/42
If you haven?t had enough, the next episode tells even more:
http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/43
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Evan Koblentz <evan at snarc.net> wrote:
Tonight I finished reading Walter Isaacson's book
about Jobs. It is very
good, and I highly recommend it.
I urge cctalk'ers to read it and constantly keep in mind * the big picture
* instead of being your usual nit-picky selves about tech details.
1 Dec
1 Dec
6:03 a.m.
On 1 December 2011 05:32, Marcin Wichary <mwichary at gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting ? I personally found it disappointing on
many levels. Instead
of enumerating them all here, I strongly encourage to listen to the
fantastic episode of the *Hypercritical* podcast, which splendidly
enumerates the many flaws on the book (most of which I agree with):
http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/42
If you haven?t had enough, the next episode tells even more:
http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/43
Are there transcripts available, at all? Life is too short for
listening to podcasts...
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7:23 a.m.
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On 1 December 2011 05:32, Marcin Wichary <mwichary
at gmail.com> wrote:
No different then listening to the radio while you work on something.
Interesting ? I personally found it disappointing
on many levels. Instead
of enumerating them all here, I strongly encourage to listen to the
fantastic episode of the *Hypercritical* podcast, which splendidly
enumerates the many flaws on the book (most of which I agree with):
http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/42
If you haven?t had enough, the next episode tells even more:
http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/43
Are there transcripts available, at all? Life is too short for
listening to podcasts...
7:41 a.m.
On Dec 1, 2011, at 10:23 AM, TeoZ wrote:
I can't do that for the most part, actually. Not with talk radio or anything I
actually want to listen closely to (music I already know makes for fine background noise).
When I'm programming or reading, I end up getting distracted and missing whatever was
on the show, so I can pretty much only do it when soldering things or driving.
My theory is that with reading and programming, the language centers of my brain are
already occupied and do a rather poor job of timesharing. I can't listen
to/participate in a conversation and program at the same time (though I can occasionally
fake it with my wife :-)).
- Dave
Are there
transcripts available, at all? Life is too short for
listening to podcasts...
No different then listening to the radio while you work on something. 
10:42 a.m.
On 1 December 2011 15:41, David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 1, 2011, at 10:23 AM, TeoZ wrote:
I can't do that for the most part, actually. ?Not with talk radio or anything I
actually want to listen closely to (music I already know makes for fine background noise).
?When I'm programming or reading, I end up getting distracted and missing whatever was
on the show, so I can pretty much only do it when soldering things or driving.
My theory is that with reading and programming, the language centers of my brain are
already occupied and do a rather poor job of timesharing. ?I can't listen
to/participate in a conversation and program at the same time (though I can occasionally
fake it with my wife :-)).
That's pretty much exactly what I was going to say. And the driving
part doesn't feature for me, as I don't have a car and never have had
since I got a drivers' licence at age 37. Nor, come to that, does the
wife part...
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Are there
transcripts available, at all? Life is too short for
listening to podcasts...
No different then listening to the radio while you work on something. 
11:03 a.m.
In article <517EA5DC-9173-43F4-9AC1-831E388B53F0 at gmail.com>,
David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com> writes:
My theory is that with reading and programming, the
language centers of
my brain are already occupied and do a rather poor job of timesharing.
Seconded
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11:29 a.m.
On 1 December 2011 05:32, Marcin Wichary <mwichary at gmail.com> wrote:
Or for those of us with the facilities to read test but not listen to
podcasts...
-tony
Interesting =96 I personally found it
disappointing on many levels. Ins=
tead
of enumerating them all here, I strongly
encourage to listen to the
fantastic episode of the *Hypercritical* podcast, which splendidly
enumerates the many flaws on the book (most of which I agree with):
http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/42
If you haven=92t had enough, the next episode tells even more:
http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/43
Are there transcripts available, at all? Life is too short for
listening to podcasts... 
7:30 a.m.
On 11/30/11 9:32 PM, Marcin Wichary wrote:
Interesting ? I personally found it disappointing on
many levels.
He drank the Jobs Cool Aid. The main takeaway was he even more of an
asshole than I already knew.
It appears he never spoke to anyone at Apple below vice president
and even then I doubt he talked to Rubenstein very much. It did
explain why I hated working there after he came back, along with
what he did to Apple's corporate culture.
The whole "Apple University" thing, training young managers in the "ways
of Steve" really bothers me.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/06/business/la-fi-apple-university-201…
8:14 a.m.
It appears he never spoke to anyone at Apple below
vice president
and even then I doubt he talked to Rubenstein very much. It did
explain why I hated working there after he came back, along with
what he did to Apple's corporate culture.
Al, I think of you every time I pull up OpenFirmware. :D
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12:04 p.m.
On 11/30/11 9:32 PM, Marcin Wichary wrote:
my god, do AUDIO EDITING before you put these out.
1:42 minutes with maybe 30 minutes worth listening to.
2:20 p.m.
On Thu, 1 Dec 2011, Al Kossow wrote:
On 11/30/11 9:32 PM, Marcin Wichary wrote:
my god, do AUDIO EDITING before you put these out.
1:42 minutes with maybe 30 minutes worth listening to.
I'm pretty sure they're doing it on purpose, considering how much time
they spend pausing unnaturally or talking about the show itself. I have no
idea how this benefits them though... they're not squeezing in more
messages from their sponsors or anything like that.
Alexey
3:13 p.m.
On 12/1/11 2:20 PM, Alexey Toptygin wrote:
To save others 1:42 of their time, there were only two interesting
things:
- he doesn't like Iverson as a biographer, he thought it should have
been done by Robert Caro
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_Broker
lots of niddling points that Iverson didn't ask hard questions, didn't
do enough original research, and the feeing that it was rushed to
get it out before it was properly edited.
- there was a long discussion at the end about Jobs ignoring his kids
with the justification that he was doing the world more good by spending
the time creating 'great' products.
1:42 minutes
with maybe 30 minutes worth listening to.
I'm pretty sure they're doing it on purpose
3:37 p.m.
There were more interesting points, I thought ? for example understanding
the industry being key to understanding Jobs, or ?Steve Jobs The Enemy Of
Success? ? so YMMV. The biographer?s name is Isaacson, not Iverson. It?s
true that the podcast rambles and goes back to earlier episodes in the
beginning with follow-ups, which I should?ve warned about. But the idea is
also that it?s a fun, enjoyable conversation, not an information-dense
get-to-the-point thing.
Siracusa mentioned Michael Malone?s *The Infinite Loop* which is also my
personal favourite take on Apple ? not just reporting facts, but trying to
understand the personalities of Apple?s creators, and just so much more
interesting to read as a piece of literature.
Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
On 12/1/11 2:20 PM, Alexey Toptygin wrote:
http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/**43 <http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/43>
1:42 minutes with maybe 30 minutes worth
listening to.
I'm pretty sure they're doing it on purpose
To save others 1:42 of their time, there were only two interesting
things:
- he doesn't like Iverson as a biographer, he thought it should have
been done by Robert Caro
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**The_Power_Broker<http://en.wikipedia.org/…
lots of niddling points that Iverson didn't ask hard questions, didn't
do enough original research, and the feeing that it was rushed to
get it out before it was properly edited.
- there was a long discussion at the end about Jobs ignoring his kids
with the justification that he was doing the world more good by spending
the time creating 'great' products.
4:39 p.m.
On 12/1/11 3:37 PM, Marcin Wichary wrote:
But the idea is
also that it?s a fun, enjoyable conversation
I do radio interviews. These guys are amateurs
that are WAY too enamored with themselves.
The biographer?s name is Isaacson, not Iverson.
I thought so little of the biography that I've already
forgotten who the author was.
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