Hi
The abortive attempt to cluster the two Vaxes and copy data has left me
much further back than when I started.
The network and terminal server connections are gone because I can't
start TCPWARE up.
It complains about a license and and something called NETCU (What the
hell is that?) and aborts the loading of TCPWARE.
Lesson learned,= the boot from a cluster server idea is flawed and can
damage an existing setup.
Its probably one of those things everybody has heard about but never
actually done.
Back up did somebody say Back up.?
The whole reason I attempted doing it this way is because despite the
fact that both systems have TK 70 tape drives when attempting to do a
backup on the -200 it keeps telling me the tape is write protected which
it isn't.
I'll try to sort that one out to-morrow.
Rod
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:52:43 -0400
> From: Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com>
>
> Jim Leonard wrote:
>> Cameron Kaiser wrote:
>>> This is a fascinating, if somewhat qualitative, comparison of user
>>> interface and functionality of a Mac Plus and an AMD dual core.
>>> Presented without further commentary.
>>>
>>> http://hubpages.com/hub/
>>> _86_Mac_Plus_Vs_07_AMD_DualCore_You_Wont_Believe_Who_Wins
>>>
>>
>> A bit skewed, to say the least. The AMD would have won if it were
>> running a Mac Plus emulator, for example :-)
This is very interesting, and I'm sure true, but they're comparing
the modern system as a modern system to the older one. The article
makes a good point in regard to performing these basic office app tasks.
> I have a 2GHz AMD Athlon 64 X2 with 1GB RAM that gets booted into
> MS-DOS
> 7.1 at least twice a week. Anyone care to guess the boot time on
> that?
The only thing is, in DOS, it won't function as a true GUI with true
GUI apps, so the comparison is moot. How about GeoWorks Ensemble? How
about Windows XP on a system with no additional "stuff" loaded, like
anti-virus, etc. It's an interesting article, but just how optimized
was this system for just office apps. Obviously the Mac Plus didn't
go online, etc., but I get the point, it was a standard system then,
compared to a standard system now. Where's the productivity advantage?
Best, David
David Greelish
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Interested parties please respond to original poster:
The 935 is definitely on topic as is some of the other stuff.
Does anyone have an image of a HP2627A color console?
I had not heard of this beast.
From: Michael Gueterman <m_gueterman at editcorp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp.mpe
Subject: Office Cleanout!
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 08:00:48 -0700
Message-ID: <1180710048.105002.173340 at q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
Hello All!
It's certainly been a while since I've looked in on the list/
newsgroup. Hope things are going well
for everyone.
Anyway, it's been so long since I've done any real HP3000 work I've
decided to do some office
cleaning and get rid of some old equipment. Most of this stuff works
(or at least did when I shut
off the power to them years ago :) but it's probably not economical to
pack and ship. If you
want it, you'll need to pick it up or I find someone to come and haul
it away soon.
The big one! HP3000 935, 2 cabinets with 3-4 eagle drives (I think
one is dead if memory serves).
This thing must weigh in at 1500 lbs plus! It has a couple of HPIB
and one SCSI DAT drive. It
does not have the SCSI boot firmware (sorry). I got this used myself
several years ago and used
it in the developers program so I don't have the MPE license for it.
I'll also throw in the HP2627A
color (Star Trek) color console! This is a package deal so no cherry
picking (that's probably the
only way someone may make the effort to get it :) Oh, there's also a
HP9000 E55 in the same
cabinet (had to stick it somewhere).
Let's see, there's also a couple of A2094 monitors, a HP9000 712/60,
a 2345A DTS, some
comm equipment when we had our T1 line, and who knows what else is
buried in the back
(probably mostly trash). I also have some of the beige soft-bound
manuals sitting on a shelf.
I'm going to hang onto the 928 even though it's been powered off for
over two years for sentimental
reasons. I regret giving up my TRS-80 Level I system back in 1995 so
some old stuff I'll keep :)
I don't really expect that anyone will drive to mid-Missouri to get
any of this, but wanted to offer
it up before it finds it's way to an electronics recycler. It's just
not worth it to me to package/ship
anything so before someone says "Hey, I'll take blah blah blah if you
can ship it", the answer
is no.
So, how is the "open sourcing" or at least the "prying of the source
code from HP's hands" going
for MPE?
Regards,
Michael L Gueterman
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
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Hi,
I have a HP 1000 21MX that wont bring up the Power supply. Has AC to it
and the fans come on. It has a some what different battery backup connections
on the rear than a 2117F. I tried the resister jumper from a 2117F but no go.
There is no voltage output from the PS on any leg. Is there something different about
these or do I need to trouble shoot the Power Supply
Thanks, Jerry
Jerry Wright
JLC inc
g-wright at att.net
Anyone running Linaches on SGI boxen? I imagine I
could get tarred and feathered for stating such in
certain mixed company, but even support for the R10000
has materialized.
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>From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com>
>
>On Sat, 2 Jun 2007, dwight elvey wrote:
> > Hi Dave
> > I'd expect it to evaluate the left side of the equation first before
> > determining the address. A[2]=1. Any other order would not make
> > sense.
>
>It would to some compiler authors. (who sometimes have a different
>reality than you and I do)
Hi Fred
I'd expect the compile to do things in the needed order. Fetch the
value of N to do something with( do the first increment ), calculate
the address ( in doing so apply the second increment) and store the
value into the array.
>
---snip---
>
>Without meaning to offend you, I'm going to guess that you started with
>FORTH and then branched out. There does seem to be less potential for
>ambiguity in a RPN language that has one operation per instruction.
>(which is what makes machine language so fulfilling)
Actually not. My first language exposure, like most, was BASIC.
About the same time, I was doing 8080 machine code and 8048
code. I then did a lot of work with PLM/80 and more 8080.
I fiddle a little with SmallTalk.
It was about this time that I was exposed to a HP 35 calculator.
With the combination of machine coding and high level languages
so far, I could clearly see that RPN was concise and didn't need
special thinking.
About the same time period, I got my first taste of Forth. I was
already sold on RPN and just had to learn what to do with the stack.
I've since played with apl enough to know it doesn't make sense
to me. Still it does look interesting from the standpoint of minimum
entry. I've also written a few macros in LISP for AutoCad stuff
and once for emacs.
I current deal mostly with verilog both gate level and behavior.
Still, I find that I'm most productive in Forth. Execution typically
reads left to right as most would have expected the example to
have done. There is no ambiguity about what is done when.
I like that! Others don't seem to like that :( In some sense, Forth
seems like machine language to most but I find that my code
reads like sentenses. Especially as I abstract farther from the
Forth low level words. It isn't English but it is clearly sentenses
stating just what I want done and when. I've not seen any other
language that does that and still has well defined excution
order.
I find that I factor code better and have less errors writing in
other languages after having been exposed to Forth. I still
enjoy writing in Forth more but few pay for that.
Dwight
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>Subject: Re: Hazeltine 1400 info?
> From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com>
> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 08:27:23 -0700
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>
>On 31 May 2007 at 18:19, Allison wrote:
>
>> The 1400 series was after the 1500 series and was effectively a cost
>> reduced (cheaper to build and sell) terminal. The 1400 was circa
>> 1976-78 or so.
>
>Am I the only one who actually used one of these and hated it? I had
>one hooked to an MDS800 development system. For the time, they were
>inexpensive, but there were better terminals around--and the use of a
>displayable character (tilde) as the escape code leadin made things
>more trouble than the terminals were worth. I think I may even have
>the code for a full-screen editor written in PL/M somewhere.
I was working for Hazeltine terminals group at the time, one look at the
1400s and I left. There were a few things about it that suggested with
better firmware it could be nice but didn't happen.
My experience lead to buying a H19, a decent tube that I still have.
Allison
>
>Cheers,
>Chuck
On Jun 2, 2007, at 6:53 PM, Chris wrote:
>Anyone running Linaches on SGI boxen? I imagine I
>could get tarred and feathered for stating such in
>certain mixed company, but even support for the R10000
>has materialized.
Chris,
Nahhh...no tar and feathers...but maybe a wet noodle.
Yes, I know of people running older MIPS-compiled Red Hat 5.1 Linux
or Debian Linux (http://members.optusnet.com.au/clausen/sgi/LINUX-
IP27-HOWTO ) on SGI Indys or O2s being the most popular.
There is also a Linux on MIPS Wiki at http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/
Main_Page Or even SGI's own webpage http://www.linux.sgi.com/mips/
with downloadable Hard Hat (Red Hat Manhattan) 5.1 Linux http://
www.linux.sgi.com/mips/software.html
I've heard of people using Origin 200 and Octanes (R10K or R12K MIPS)
with Linux but that was after any playing I did with Linux on an Indy.
MIPS Technologies (after splitting off of SGI) developed many new
MIPS processors like the 24K, 34K, and 74K that are used with their
Malta board and Linux from a couple of partners (4K processor also
used by these partners). http://www.mips.com/products/softwaretools/
system_software/Linux.php
-Darin
I pulled out my "extra" Apple /// for a test run today in preparation
for selling it. It worked great but after a bit the power supply
started smoking. I pulled it to find that a cap has blown and shot
oil all over the place.
Rather than repair it I'm looking to replace it with another.
Does anyone have an Apple /// power supply they'd part with?
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