On Fri, 25 May 2007 22:20:56 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:
>Probably it didn't trup the first time you put the back in, when you
>re-iserted it, and re-cloxsed the cover, it worked. You might want to
>look at this, tweak the adjustments, etc.
>
>-tony
Naturally, I jinxed it by bragging about my success :(
The next day, the system wouldn't boot and I could see the FAULT
light flicker as the system halted at address 10107. I initially
thought disk drive problems again, or the pack got clobbered
during swap-out for some reason.
However, a little investigating quickly showed that even the most
basic ten-word TTY check program would not deposit or run. In
fact, when depositing or examining sequential locations I found
the address display would increment from 0200 to 0001. 0577 would
increment to 0400, etc. So something is wrong with address bit 4.
I pulled all the boards from the backplane except the CPU set and
it still does it. Now I've got to fix the hardware! Sigh.
Meanwhile I have been SIMH-building a new OS/8 image from scratch
for two drives. After much struggle I have the RL20 handler
installed (which has logical drives R20A,B,C,D; the RL21 handler
with R21A-D, and I had to omit the last 20% (the "E" drives on
RL2E) because OS/8 can only allow fifteen handlers and space is
needed for (at least) the R2SY system handler, TTY, SYS and DSK
also... reminds me of Gates' "640K should be enough for anyone".
-Charles
On 26 May, 2007, at 17:13, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote:
>
> A while back, Someone here was looking for punch card file cabnets
> and there was several
> metos'.
That was me, I asked for ones in the UK. What's a meto?
> I have located 3 Standard 4 foot, 10highx2wide file cabinets. 2
> Gray and one Orange/Red.
> They are here in Columbus Ohio. I will be looking into shipping
> options next week for those
> who are interested.
> I have seen the packing and shipping subject raised here numerious
> times in the past, and
> am open to current comments and suggestions.
>
> I will take my portable scale over next week and get their
> measurements and a weight.
Well, I'd like to know how much, but I expect shipping will be
uneconomic. Please don't use too much of your time. I remember the
cabinets as about 2 metres high, though maybe that was two 1 metre
cabinets on top of each other. I suppose if I didn't stack them I
could use the top as a worktop.
Hi
There seems to be some differing views as to how the boards would be
arranged in an 11/94 to use 11/84 CPU Board and memory.
I'll describe the 11/94 box I have.
The box has label saying 11/94-EF
The first three slots in the first nine slot backplan have four edge
connectors.
In the space where the other two edge connectors would have been are IDC
connectors for ribbon cables going to the front panel.
The rest of the slots (6) in first nine slot backplane have six edge
connectors.
The second nine slot backplane has nine slots with six edge connectors
in each.
The forth slot has the M8191 Unibus controller in it.
The main discussion seems to be which comes first the cpu or the memory.
There is also an issue around, are the first three slots a Q-Bus or not?
Currently my understanding is any M8190 CPU and any M8637 memory
So Slot one:
M8190
Or
M8190-AB 15Mhz
Or
M8190-AE 18Mhz
Slot two/three
MSV11-JD (1Mb) x 2
or
MSV11-JE (2Mb) x 2
So can we get to a consensus as to which boards in what order are known
to work?
Rod Smallwood
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Sent: 20 May 2007 20:14
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: The Last of The Line
Pete Turnbull <pete at dunnington.plus.com> skrev:
On 20/05/2007 03:22, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
>> > I have also read that the MSV11-JD and MSV11-JE boards should
NEVER >> > be used together. Can anyone else confirm or deny this?
>
> No reason not to, except that you'd end up with an unusual amount of
> memory (3Mbytes). It certainly won't hurt anything, though of course
> you would need to set the start address of the lower board to the >
correct value. It's settable to any 16KB (8KW) boundary.
What do you mean "unusual amount"? I've been running one 11/83 like that
for the last two years until today actually, when I upgraded to 4 megs.
:-)
I used to run my 11/84 like that as well. Currently it's shut down.
Haven't had time to organize my computer room after I moved, so it just
sits there...
>> > I suspect that 3 * MSV11-JD boards may be used in a BA123 box with
4 >> > ABCD slots, but since I don't have any MSV11-JD boards, let
alone 3 >> > of them, I can't verify this.
>
> I don't recall ever trying *that*, but it too would work, so long as
you > set the start address of each board correctly, and again you'd
end up > with 3Mbytes, which is an unusual amount. The manual just
says you can > use "one or more MSV11-J memory modules", without
mentioning size or > maximum number.
3 megs "unusual"? Hah! ;-)
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
The standard floppy controller can drive up to four floppies, two
internal and two external. And the motherboards of these machines
have dip switches that allow you to tell them how many drives are
connected. But those switches are just a simple count of drives, not
which chain the drives are connected to.
Normally I see these machines with two internal floppies, and nothing
else. On the 5160 I have here in the office I am about to add an
external floppy using the external connector on the floppy controller;
the machine has a single drive installed internally now. How does the
BIOS handle this situation? If I tell it that there are 2 drives will
it try to figure out that one is internal and one is external? Do I
need device driver help, or is this something the BIOS tries to
handle? Is there something on the controller card I am supposed to do
to tell it how the drives are connected/organized?
Mike
I've got a VCR repair problem. (I thought it was just a broken drive
belt, but apparently not.) Since this isn't really very on-topic (I
doubt it's even ten years old), I'd prefer not to discuss it on-list.
If anyone would be willing to lend a hand by email, could you write me
off-list? I've set a reply-to pointing to two of my addresses, which
between them give about as good a chance as is available that mail will
actually reach me; in case the list mangles the reply-to, this means
mouse at netbsd.org as well as mouse at rodents.montreal.qc.ca.
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/ \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B
I thought these were all gone...but found 2 more.
Sierra InterAction magazines
- Spring 1997
- Summer 1997
http://tinyurl.com/ypju9e
Excellent condition, have owned since new. Auction ends Sunday 5/27.
Thanks for looking, Jeff
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> Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 11:37:51 -0600
> From: "Michael B. Brutman" <mbbrutman-cctalk at brutman.com>
> Subject: Re: Floppy configurations on IBM PC 5150/5160
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>
> I understand that the nickname is 'Grumpy Old Fred', but it
> is necessary
> to YELL because I got the existence/non-existence of the twist in the
> cable backwards?
>
> If I had said that the cause of the drive ID weirdness was because I
> have my US electrical socket installed with the grounding pin facing
> downward then I could understand the caps lock for emphasis,
> but in the
> grand scheme of things that was really a minor nit.
>
>
>
> Fred Cisin wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 May 2007, Michael B. Brutman wrote:
> >> For some strange reason, the IBM 4865 external drive unit
> that I am
> >> using showed up as drive number 3, not 2. (Counting from zero, of
> >> course.) I wonder if there is a twist in the internal cabling, or
> >> the drive select jumper is non-standard on this one. No
> problem it
> >> works just fine.
> >
> > a LACK OF A TWIST will do that
> >
> >
> >
yeah - happy holidays (stateside)
Jack
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>From: "Ensor" <classiccmp at memory-alpha.org.uk>
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>
>I'd like to think that if the 68k had been chosen we'd have had far more
>advanced PCs far quicker (I'm thinking back to the many 68k implementations
>of UNIX amongst other things). But I do take your point about the
>availability of software, let's face it, the *ONLY* reason I switched from
>my Atari ST to the PC was software.
>
>Although....if we'd had 68k/UNIX based boxes on our desktops instead of
>8086/DOS who's to say that there wouldn't have been a similar explosion of
>software?
Hi
I think most software people would agree but that hard fact is that
main memory is way behind processor speeds. This means that the
more compact the instruction stream is, the faster the processor can
run. We are quickly reaching the limits of clever caching, even for
CISC processors like the X86 machines.
I'm not saying that RISC machines are dead, just the opposite. Every
X86 machine today has a RISC engine inside.
I expect that the next generation processor will be even more
CISC like and less RISC like to the external software.
Memory bandwidth will dominate choices.
Just my thoughts
Dwight
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Not 10 years old, but definitely counts as unusual hardware... I
bought a Dolch A320T ruggedized laptop at Dayton from a friend who was
in from NJ and selling a few rows away from Dan Cohoe, but part of the
reason it was so in expensive was that it didn't have an AC adapter.
The laptop came with a hand-fashioned bit of cut PCB with leads, meant
to plug into a lab-top bench supply (19V @ ~3A), but I'd like to at
least get a "real" plug for it. The problem is that while it looks
like an "ordinary" 2.5mm co-ax DC power connector, the center pin is
mighty fat. My question is, how does one describe these sorts of
connectors in enough detail to get the right part when ordering one?
A standard, modern Dell PA-12-type brick pumps out 19.5V @ 3.33A, so
that's not so much of an issue, just locating a mating connector is.
Thanks for any help determining how to describe this.
-ethan
