test-drb October 2006

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by Gary＠realtimecomp.com

Hey, If you view his other auctions, he has a string drive, and 25 carts with no bids. Closes 10/14/06 > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] > On Behalf Of Chris M > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:15 PM > To: Gary > Subject: Re: WANG micro? found > > there were a couple of big Wangs back in the day. Is > anyone out there knowledgeable of the different early > Wangs machines. Details of such have eluded me to > date. There is something on Ebay right now (closing > fast), but this isn't as old as anything here that's > being talked about, but still of interest. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Wang-Office-Assistant-WOA-40-Computer_ > W0QQitemZ290034430165QQihZ019QQcategoryZ4193QQssPageNameZWD > VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > >

17 years, 7 months

=== IBM s/36 model 5363 ===

by ceby2＠csc.com

Frederic -- The little 'x' basically says 'bad input'. The console won't take any further input until you hit the reset key. It doesn't not like the data you're giving it either because the data is corrupt, or because it's inappropriate. Sorry if this amounts to telling you how to suck eggs. Data corruption can result from using the wrong type of keyboard -- when you say you have three keyboards, what keyboard are we talking about. Most 3197 terminals used an AT style keyboard connector. I'm not sure whether they are really compatible with all AT style keyboards, and I'm pretty sure they don't support PS/2 style with the adapter. I'm sure someone on this list can confirm or deny that. But you best bet is the 122 key 5250 style keyboard. Again, sorry if this is telling you how to suck eggs. Of course you could also have a faulty cable or the workstation controller may have a bad port. Anything's possible on a system this age. I have a tester somewhere in transit. If it comes down to it, I may be able to arrange the loan of that. I'd like to be more help, but my 5363 along with the rest of the S/36 gear is sitting on the quay-side in Thamesport (I've been moving house). I'm definitely stuck when it comes to helping you with the media. I have the 8" variety, but that wouldn't be compatible even if I could find a way of transferring it to 5.25". If you find a source of th 5.25", I have would certainly be interested in procuring a copy, too. I've wanted to rebuild both my 5363 and 5364 for sometime, but lacked the media to get on with the job. Good luck, Colin Eby -- ceby2 at csc.com CSC - EMEA Northern Region - C&SI -Technology Architect --------------------------- **This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose.** ---------------------------

17 years, 7 months

WANG micro? found

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Surplus dealer saved an odd looking box for me. It's a WANG, slightly larger than a typical PC with monitor and keyboard. Comes with a case of floppy disks, most of which are original WANG labels. I couldn't make out much from them other than some of it was some productivity type software. The front dimensions were square (Width = Height) and the depth was unusually deep (maybe 2.5 to 3 feet). In the front was a power switch, 5.25 floppy drive, and visibly the front of some small hard drive (looked like the old IBM PC drives). The thing that piqued my interest is that it supposedly had 10 terminals hanging off the back of it before it was brought in. I'm going back tomorrow to pull it out and get more info about it. Jay

17 years, 7 months

information about the PDP-11/68 (also for PDP-11 FAQ: The Never 11's)

by henk.gooijen＠oce.com

Hi all, last week I had 2 visitors from HP Storage Systems in my museum. They both started with DIGITAL back in 1981, and love the old systems. They have visited me before :-) While in my little museum they saw the H960 rack with the console of the PDP-11/60 on a 10.5" filler panel, and said something about a 'nice mock-up'. Ahh, I said, that is *not* a mock-up, but a real operational 11/60, but I did not have the space for the low-boy corporate cabinet, so I built the complete 11/60 in this H960 rack. To prove it, I switched on the system :-) You can read the story of the 11/60 on my website (PDP-11/60 folder, "11/60 in H960 rack"). Anyway, one tech told me that there was also a PDP-11/68 (no typo)! The 11/68 was just like the famous 11/74, he told. DIGITAL delivered four 11/74 to customers, but called those machines back. 3 Customers obeyed, but one (AT&T) said "forget it", and never returned the 11/74 to DIGITAL. The tech also told that the 11/68 was cancelled because it would out-perform the other new introduced machine (VAX-11/780, et al). I found a very small bit of information in the PDP-11 FAQ, in the section "The Never 11's" ... Don North added the following *first hand* information: <quote> My recollection of the 11/68 was that it was a follow on to the 11/60, intended to remedy the shortcomings (18b vs 22b mode) and increase performance to beyond 11/70 level (ie, be an 11/70 replacement). It was staffed by mostly the key designers from the 11/60 project. IIRC technology was to be the same gatearrays (400 cell TI ISTL?) that were ultimately used in the VAX Comet aka 11/750. At this time I had moved from 11/60 diagnostics to 11/74 CISP microcode. Most of the 11/68 (then known as 11/6X) development was in the next aisle over in the facility in Tewksbury MA. Anyway, I don't think the 11/68 project was all the widely known. It never got past the paper design stage before it was canceled. Most of the design team ended up leaving DEC shortly after to join Three Rivers (aka PERQ) in establishing a design center in Massachusetts (Three Rivers was located in Pittsburgh near CMU and they had trouble attracting people to come there). I even went there for an interview but declined the job offer. Good thing; the Mass design center lasted about 9mos or so before folding. Seems the CTO/Founder of Three Rivers just could not 'let go' of the desire/need to make EVERY technical decision for the company. Having a remote design center of course was then impossible. All the ex-DEC/PERQ guys then went on to form a startup (Mosaic Technologies) which built a graphical workstation using the newly announced National NS32032 VAX-like CPU. They had a booth at SIGGRAPH 80 or 81 IIRC but then shortly ran out of money, and later folded. </quote> Perhaps, this is info to be added to "The Never 11's" section ? - Henk, PA8PDP. This message and attachment(s) are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or agent thereof responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone and with a "reply" message. Thank you for your cooperation.

17 years, 7 months

WANG micro? found

by dm561＠torfree.net

--------------Original Message: Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 09:57:50 -0400 From: Curt - Atari Museum <curt at atarimuseum.com> Subject: Re: WANG micro? found Why is it that Wang equipment is not seen available very often? I just find it interesting that you rarely see many people on the list discussing Wang mini's or Wang workstations. I had the opportunity back in 1991 to install a Novell NACS (Async Comm Server) to a Wang mini so that the company that had it could replace the Wang terminals with PC's running the remote connectivity client and still continue connecting to the Wang mini. Curt ---------------Reply: Why indeed... Reading from an early '80's VS brochure: "From individual specialized systems design (1951-1964), to the first desktop programmable calculators (1964-1972), to the Company's state-of-the-art family of data processing and word processing office systems, Wang has been a pioneer in the high technology electronics industries." and "As the leading supplier of CRT-based word processing systems, and the number two supplier of small business computing systems, Wang Laboratories carries its reputation proudly into the 1980's" Maybe the name causes problems with porn filters... mike

17 years, 7 months

naval jelly

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I've always had incredibly good success using naval jelly on spot rust. I haven't used it in quite a few years though. Anyone else use this a lot and have a good (cheap) source lined up that they'd care to share the contact info for? Maybe if enough folks are interested we could split a case or something. Jay West

17 years, 7 months

=== IBM s/36 model 5363 ===

by f5inl＠wanadoo.fr

Hi guys ! Who could help me with that machine? Here is my problem : I've been given an IBM 5363 with an IBM 3197 terminal (twinax). The machine boots well (or seems to do so !), and after few minutes, I can obtain on my display the IPL configuration screen, asking me for my user ID and password. The problem is that whatever I type on the keyboard, NOTHING APPEARS ON THE SCREEN !!!!!! I can only ear the disk drive of the 5363 that is running. As I own three keyboards, I tried to change them, but the problem is always the same... I didn't know what to do , so I simply entered the "E" function on the front pannel of the computer, that made him stop. And I switched it off. Could anyone tell me why the characters don't appear on the screen ? When I strike a key, I just obtain a little blinking cross "X" , that is written on the last line, located at the bottom-left side of the CRT. I'm also looking for images of the IPL and diagnostic disks. Hoping to read from you soon, Fred BOSSU

17 years, 7 months

Come to the swap meet!!!!!!

by evan＠snarc.net

Hi all... We're having fun down here in Delaware but we could really use more of a crowd. All kinds of good stuff for sale and swap. PLEASE come check it out to support the club. Tell all your techie friends to come too. For details see www.marchclub.org - Evan Koblentz

17 years, 7 months

Making large numeric displays

by sdc695＠yahoo.com

I wanted to make this with Lumlines (incandencent lamps that are 1 inch diameter and 1 foot long). The problem is that while you can (you need to look REAL HARD) get the light bulbs, the sockets aren't made any more. The cost would be a bit steep as well, since the light bulbs are over $10/ea, and just for 2 digits it would cost $140. A full digital clock (assuming a 24hour display) would cost over $280 just for the tubes. It would be impressive (a nice large display) for the "war room" clock display. The incandecent lights would be easier to control and be a nice to control. The nice thing about Lumlines is that the connectors for the lights are VERY compact and close to the tube. It would make a cool clock. Now if I can get Leviton (http://www.levitonproducts.com) to make the sockets again, I'd be set! Lobbying welcome, but I suspect I'll need to wait. (*SIGH*) -- Tom Watson tsw at johana.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

17 years, 7 months

Free desktop alpha in eastern US

by vax9000＠gmail.com

If you want it, you pay actual shipping only. I listed it on ebay but it was not sold. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280023101826

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test-drb October 2006