Okay, I've got a fresh install of RSTS/E 9.2-10 on my SCSI disk, along with
DECnet/E and DECmail-11.
#1, what do I have to do to set up the PDP-11 to work with the router? I
know nothing about DECnet at all, and this is to be my "initiation" so to
speak.
#2, I wget'd and extracted the bridge program from Johnny's site to my Sun
box. What options do I need to set in bridge.conf to make my system work?
Here's my network setup:
PDP11(BIGBOA)
[SLU 2 of KDF11-BA]
^
|
v
[SLU 2 of Sun]
Sun Netra T1 200(192.168.1.2) <-> *INTERNET*
TIA
Julian
>
>Subject: Re: VAX 9000 (was: Re: Sun 386i available)
> From: "Witchy" <witchy at binarydinosaurs.co.uk>
> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:29:15 +0000 (GMT)
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>
>
>On Fri, December 16, 2005 12:55 am, Allison said:
>> didn't like the idea or could not support water for the system. NY some
>> of the older buildings took near a year to get adaquate power for smaller
>> machines. Water, forget about that.
>
>The naiive side of me decided that companies based in older buildings
>wouldn't need the power of a VAX 9000, but I've only been a tourist in NYC
>so I'm fully prepared to be scoffed at :)
As you should be. A lot of those builtings in NYC are older than dirt and
there nothing like getting high power up to the 14th floor of a building
that originally had gaslight.
>> It was a good machine that held up well in use. The bulk of them
>> succumed when installed (phase rotation had the blowers backward!)
>> and the usual field circus tricks.
>
>My contact had their uptime at 24 days max, but perhaps that was a UK bad
>machine!
Sounds unusual or maybe buggy software factors. Most I'd heard of were
running months at a time if not longer.
>> a mill. Field service offered them all sorts of inducements during
>> the 80s to replace it. I believe they system cost over a half million
>> to replace with software and stuff tossed in. It was just too costly
>> to fix the PDP1 if it broke.
>
>I'd love to know if that's still in use, they'd be surely in line for some
>sort of award!
I think FS won out by the late 80s, one of the few people that knew anything
about it retured and a few others were not up for trips to Yellowknife in
the cold season.
Allison
Someone posted a question this past week about a Toshiba T3100. I may be
able to answer--I've discovered that I have the Technical Reference Manual
for the thing (and I can't remember how I came by it).
Cheers,
Chuck
It looks like you can copy a ROM into RAM to run the program if it is an
essential step.
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#117
? 117. Limitations on exclusive rights: Computer programs
(a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy. -
Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement for
the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of
another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided:
(1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in
the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and
that it is used in no other manner, or
(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and that
all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of
the computer program should cease to be rightful.
Michael Holley
Hello,
I was looking at the same to purchase and saw what you were asking about
yours. How did you make out with it? Is it a good investment. Did you
find the docs for it? I am considering buying a used epp-80 too but
would like to know more about it first. Any help would be great &
Thanx........Rick.
What DEC OS's support DecNet? I do not have the ability to
run RSX-11. I am still trying to get a full install of BSD 2.11
onto my pdp-11/84. Will BSD support DecNet? My problem at this
point is getting the rest of the install over to the system.
I have the root install done, but have the 3 large tar files
with no easy way to get them to the host. I have used VTServer
but it does not support files over 32M and this image is much
larger than that. There is a Windows version of VTServer that
is supposed to fix this but it does not work right for me.
I even tried porting it to Linux, but had issues compiling it
and once I got it it still would not work as well as the version
I have before I tried that. I'd like to get my 11 up and running
fully and first see if I could connect it to my home network.
This DecNet thing sounds interesting too. Kind of like what
I had with a BBS and connected to neighbor nodes for e-mail and
such.
Tim Radde
--- On Thu 12/15, Robert Armstrong < bob at jfcl.com > wrote:
From: Robert Armstrong [mailto: bob at jfcl.com]
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org, hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:00:49 -0800
Subject: Hobbyist DECnet Network - Update
The hobbyist DECnet is actually working - we have now five distinctlocations connected and six or seven machines online 24x7 with a coupledozen more that are turned on occasionally. Here's a SHOW NETWORK -OpenVMS Network status for local node 2.1 LEGATO on 15-DEC-2005 18:40:09.95 Area Cost Hops Next Hop to Area 1 4 1 SVA-0 -> 1.13 MIM 2 0 0 (Local) -> 2.1 LEGATO 11 4 1 SVA-0 -> 11.1023 A11RTR 60 10 1 TCP-0-0 -> 60.664 PDXVAX Node Links Cost Hops Next Hop to Node 2.7 CODA 0 4 1 SVA-0 -> 2.7 CODA 2.100 PETEY 0 10 1 TCP-0-1 -> 2.100 PETEY Total of 2 nodes. You can see a full list of the nodes and descriptions here http://www.jfcl.com/Computers/dcn.pdfWe've been using Johnny's HECnet mailing list to communicate
http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/hecnet.htmlIf you'd like to hook up we'd love to have more nodes!Bob Armstrong-----Original Message----->from: Robert Armstrong [mailto:bob at jfcl.com] >I'm interested in setting up a network of hobbyist DEC machines linked >together in a DECnet phase IV network. Why? I suppose there's no >really good reason, but it seems like it would be fun to be able to do >"SHOW NET" or "NCP SHOW ACTIVE NODES" and see a whole long list of >machines that aren't mine :-) Besides, it would be a good way to share>access to real, non-simulated, VMS/RSX/RSTS and even, maybe, TOPS-10 >or 20, machines.>> Does anyone else agree? Is anyone else interested in participating?>> I know I'm not the first to think of this; in particular, I've had a >few email discussions recently with Johnny Billquist about HECnet,>> http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/hecnet.html>>At some point I'd like to link up with HECnet, but right now Johnny is >having ISP problems and it sounds like
HECnet is down to one or two >nodes.>> Are there any other hobbyist DECnet associations that are going > strong?>> As for technology, it seems like the best thing would be to use the >Internet as our communications medium. Nobody wants to pay for >point-to-point leased lines anymore, after all. Multinet, TCPware, and>even DECNet Phase V all have the ability to send DECnet traffic over IP. >Right now I'm leaning towards Multinet - they have a free hobbyist >license program, and Multinet can create point-to-point virtual DECnet >circuits using UDP packets that can be routed over the Internet. >They're simple to set up and administer.>> I have a fair amount of Internet bandwidth available at my location, >and I can set aside a VS4000 VLC or model 90 to serve as a dedicated PhaseIV >routing node.>>Bob Armstrong
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Now what fun would that be.? I'd like to make use of my real pdp-11 hardware. --- On Sat 12/17, Robert Armstrong < bob at jfcl.com > wrote:From: Robert Armstrong [mailto: bob at jfcl.com]To: cctalk at classiccmp.orgDate: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:48:38 -0800Subject: RE: Hobbyist DECnet Network - Update> Any options for software I can legally use? Run an emulated PDP or VAX on your Linux PC.Bob
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--- On Sat 12/17, Robert Armstrong < bob at jfcl.com > wrote:
From: Robert Armstrong [mailto: bob at jfcl.com]
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:31:59 -0800
Subject: RE: Hobbyist DECnet Network - Update
> What DEC OS's support DecNet? Pretty much all of them, although some better than others. VMS, RSX,TOPS-10, TOPS-20, RSTS/E all had DECnet, and even RT-11 had some limitedsupport. There was an experimental DECnet for OS/8 (really for RTS/8) but Idon't think it was ever finished.>Will BSD support DecNet? BSD is not a DEC OS. Sorry :-) Ultrix-32 had DECnet, but I don't know ifUltrix-11 ever did. Maybe somebody else knows? Linux even has DECnet, but of course that won't run on your -11. You can always get a VAX or Alpha workstation - many of them are prettycheap these days.
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I have too many systems here as it is. I don't plan on adding
any more. :) I have a Linux box, but I would prefer to run something
like this on a real 11. Any options for software I can legally use?
Tim
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Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:20:19 +0000 (GMT)
From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell)
Subject: Re: Archiving Software
<snip>
>> ImageDisk seems like a definite step in the right direction - it's certainly
>> done a brilliant job when I've tried it.
>It's a pity the source code hasn't been released. I really don't like
>using programs that I've not read through...
Ahh, there's just no pleasing some people... ;-)
>> Getting the data off (and knowing you've captured it all) and onto modern
>> media is probably more important than what tools someone may use in the
>> future to interpret the data. Providing it's all captured of course!
>I would think that any archive format that is complete enough to allow a
>working version of the disk to be recreated for the original machine
>would also allow individual files to be extracted given the right tools
>(if only because recreating the a disk for the original machine, then
>using it on that machine would allow you to do just that).
>-tony
Well, that kind of misses the point of my original question. For a system-specific
bootable disk, imaging is probably the only answer since if you can't boot your
system you can't load the image into it (although Dave Dunfield has even done
this for several systems by loading the bootstrap & system file via the monitor
and console port). In the case of systems that can have both 5" and/or 8" FDDs,
it probably makes sense to image the 5" version since it's probably easier to
temporarily add a 5" drive to an 8" system than adding an 8" drive to the PC.
What I was looking for were answers to the following problems:
1 - I have some hard-sectored disks for my Vector MZ; how do I archive those?
2 - Assuming I do, how do I or you recreate them?
3 - I have a SSSD 8" CP/M Visicalc distribution disk; how do I send it to you in a
way that you can re-create a 5" disk for your SystemX (especially if you only
have one serial port)?
4 - I have a version of Cromix+ for Cromemco on DSDD 8" disks, consisting
of one bootable disk and a tar file spanning three more disks; again,
what do I put on my site or email you so that you can install it on your
System 1 with only a 5" FDD?
5 - And just to round out the list, I have a copy of Unix for the Cromemco, which
is on one bootable 5" disk and a tar file on a DC600 tape. What do I do
with that (serious replies only pls :)?
mike
I think I sent this originally from the wrong email address, and
it's disappeared into a black hole (or is just held up for
moderation.. My apologies if it turns up twice..)
OK, I've finally decided I'm never going to get a chance to play with this,
so it's looking for a new home where it can receive the love and
attention it deserves.
It's one of those black stacking motorola machines - just pile up
discs on top ... (and connect the scsi and control and power cables
on the back..)
Main unit. P/N 01-W2522D01A. Second bay P/N 01-W2519D01A.
Boards are labled MVME 187 and I/O. Latter has the scsi and control
on it, 4xserial and 10baseT and AUI ports.
And it's got a tape drive in it. No floppy.
My understanding is that this machine was only in service for a
matter of months, maybe even weeks, then the user reverted back to
their previous (accounts) system and this ended up under a desk for
the next several years, before I rescued it. It's therefore not been
powered up for about ten years ... I assume it's still loaded up with
whatever it ran (Possibly UNIX, SVR4 from memory, plus applications).
It comes with no cables, no documentation, no passwords... I believe
you can run NetBSD on it..
Free to loving home, for collection only from Salford, (near Manchester), UK.
Also available at the same time (take them, please!!!) two or three
Wyse dumb terminals (Wy-120 and Wy-30), at least one of another make,
multiple pentium-1 and 486 PCs in various conditions, couple of early
portable PCs (one compaq missing a keyboard, I think), some printers,
monitors, etc.
Interested parties please email me on robert at irrelevant dot com.
Rob.
