I have acquired a KSR 43 and am looking for a manual. I've looked in the usual online archives (and printed-manual resellers too) Can anyone help?
Also I'm looking for a tape punch and the complete top cover assembly for an ASR 33.
thanks
Charles
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>Subject: Funny TTL pinouts (was Deck of IBM PLAYING CARDS)
> From: shoppa_classiccmp at trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa)
> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:06:47 -0500
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
>
>
>"Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
>> On 12/17/2005 at 10:37 PM woodelf wrote:
>> >I downloaded some motorola application notes from bitsavers.
>> >Wow they sure had a lot of different types of TTL. I wonder how only
>> >the 74xx became the only TTL used today?
>>
>> I think the short answer is "second sources"--you had at least 4 big
>> players, TI, National, Moto and Fairchild all producing 7400-series logic.
>> Some of the earlier TTL (Moto 400/500-series) had mid-line (pins 4 and10)
>> power supplies, which turned out to be not as convienient for PCB layout.
>> And, although it's largely forgotten, 7400 TTL shares a fair number of
>> pinouts with the older DTL circuits.
>>
>> By the time LSTTL was out, everyone had pretty much standardized on the
>> 74xx line.
>
>Don't forget, some of the "standard" 74xx line are actually National or
>Fairchild or Motorola parts that were not originally given
>74xx numbers (because they weren't TI parts) but they were eventually
>second-sourced by TI and given 74xx numbers. "Imitation is the
>truest form of flattery."
>
>The ones that come to my mind most immediately are the Fairchild
>9310 and 9316, later known as 74160 and 74161, all massively used
>synchronous counters. I also seem to recall part numbers like 40160
>as Motorola tried to back-incorporate them into their TTL lineup. (Am
>I confused as usual?)
>
>I think the funny Vcc/Gnd pinouts (often 4 and 10) were actually thought
>to be good for some reason in some specialized PCB designs - I think
>I see these show up on some early MSI quad latches (7475) and counters
>(7490, actually pins 5 and 10). I don't know if these were cross-incoprorated
>from parts that started out at Motorola or Fairchild or National or what.
The mid chip Vcc and ground went all the way back to the Moto and Fairchild
RTL (in dip) or opposing pins in the 8/10/12 leaded TO5 (can) varient.
However when it came to part numbers Moto is infamous for a plethora of
"house numbers" where the number is not EIA or ISO or anthing else and
was special for a project or customer. Most of the other vendors did
that as well but Motorola was wild. HeathKit was a common consumer of
house numberd parts from many vendors.
Allison
Hmmm, I thought that the need for an external utility to set up the CMOS
went away with the 286. IIRC, Cntl/Alt/Ins was used on the/some Phoenix
BIOS chipset(s) to gain access to the CMOS setup routines. There were
several other such keystroke sequences but the only other one that comes
to mind was Cntl/Alt/S. Also, I *think* that the IBM Diagnostics will
also work and might be enough to take away the boot error (excepting
that it doesn't support the 47 HD types used in most of the later
BIOSs.)
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>
> It's a Vobis LCD-386:
>
> http://www.hknebel.org/Museum/Museum/Tragbare_PCs/Nicht_IBM_PCs/Vobis_LCD38…
>
> There was one on eBay early this month, too. Item # 8730903874
>
> Now I just need to find some docs on the board. There are several
> jumper sets on the motherboard, and none of them labeled, so I don't
> know how to zap the BIOS yet.
>
> And yes, I can even boot from hard disk. The generic Phoenix BIOS
> setup.com from the old www.firmware.com site lets me set floppy, HDD,
> and date settings, it's just not stopping the boottime error.
>
>
> Doc
>I think rcp is part of the root install. It was for 4.3 on the vax
>anyway. I could swear I did this for 2.11 also but I have used scsi.
I will check.
>Basically all you need to do is bring up the interface with
>ifconfig and then rcp the tar file
Where am I rcp'ing it from? The 11 is not connected to a network
at least not yet. The linux box is standalone too.
>Slightly more detail- make sure the ethernet is at a 'standard' >address; if it is the kernel will find it when it probes at boot >time- ifconfig the interface (i.e. ifconfig qe0 192.168.0.1).
I believe it is set for the standard addresses.
>Create the file system on the partition you want and mount it(this >may take a little study. Presuably you've got "/" created and >loaded.
Yes, I have "/". I believe "/usr" exists too, but is mostly empty or
is completely empty.
>Rcp the tar file to the mounted partition. This might take a little >linux goofying around, as you'll be root on the 11. So in /root on >the linux box you'll have to create a .rhosts.
I will look into this. Thanks.
Tim R
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Bryan,
Nice work, does your board clearly state in layer traces or in silkscreen (Apple-1 Recreation) so that as years go by, if the system is passed onto to new owners, they don't mistake yours for an actual original?
I'm all for have near exact stuff done, so long as any product clearly states on it that its not an original so as not to create confusion.
May I ask, what kind of keyboard are you using???
Curt
-----Original message-----
From: "Bryan K. Blackburn" oldcomp at cox.net
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:36:28 -0500
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Apple 1 on eBay - shameless self promotion
> I interrupt this list with a short commercial message...
>
> I just listed a working Apple 1 Computer on eBay, item #8739750233 at:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8739750233
>
> This is a faithful recreation, nearly an exact replica, not an original.
> Really cool, just the same.
>
> -Bryan
>
>
>Subject: open source crap was Re: Archiving Software
> From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com>
> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:45:09 -0800 (PST)
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
My small waste of BW and all.
I write a lot of code. None for the most part appears in the public realm.
There are several reasons for this. One being my favorite language is solder.
Others include must of the code is crap, one off and quickies while useful
are not worth much. HOWEVER...
Once I went to great lenghts to put out a subsection of CP/M bios using
765 for general interest and no particular use. The result, one moaned
about the assembler used (plain ASM), another was disappointed I didn't
use Z80 instructions and Opcodes, A two tried to tell me it can't work
(it was from the system that used/assembled it!). My response was and
is still FREE IMPLIES: YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Caps inteneded.. Often
rather than getting mad accept it for what it is.
Allison
If you can ethernet you can rcp the files. I've done that with bsd on a vax. Basically I mount a big partitionon the disk, rcp the file overand then untar it. I suspect you don't have a qbus ethernet card. Is that the case?
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I do not have an QBus ethernet card, just a Unibus one. I doubt
I can access RCP as it's probably not part of the root install. But
I could be wrong. Why would it matter if I had a Qbus Ethernet card
or not?
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>Subject: Re: Funny TTL pinouts (was Deck of IBM PLAYING CARDS)
> From: "Roy J. Tellason" <rtellason at blazenet.net>
> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:54:40 -0500
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>
>On Sunday 18 December 2005 10:21 am, Allison wrote:
>
>> However when it came to part numbers Moto is infamous for a plethora of
>> "house numbers" where the number is not EIA or ISO or anthing else and
>> was special for a project or customer. Most of the other vendors did
>> that as well but Motorola was wild. HeathKit was a common consumer of
>> house numberd parts from many vendors.
>
>Know of any good references for crossing some of this stuff?
>
None really as some dont cross "exist". TO cross most I use a NTE or other
parts sub manaul to find out what it is then work backward to a usuable number.
tedious but near the only way to get from a M9313 RF transistor to a 2N or
MRFxxxx part number.
Allison
On Dec 18 2005, 14:25, William Donzelli wrote:
> > Didn't National at one time (I'm too lazy to go riffling through my
data
> > books) have a IC family they called "Damn Fast"?
>
> They were actualyl LH series analog buffer amps - two grades of
"Fast" and
> "Damn Fast". These were marketted for several years before some
do-gooder
> religious type complained, and the National Semi people took it out.
Bob
> Pease has a story about it.
>
> The 'Damn Fast" datasheets exist - I have several editions in my
databook
> library.
>
> And for the time, those buffers were truely DAMN FAST.
Yes, they were. I have the "Damn Fast" datasheets, and at least one
databook which includes them. I have some of the parts too -- I once
built a scope probe out of them. I think it was one of the application
notes.
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