test-drb January 2005

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Importing binary files without removable storage nor non-bundled software (was: TKermitFTP

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com> > >On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Dwight K. Elvey wrote: > >> >And the programmers were not smart enough to figure a way around this >> >because...why? >> >> It would have been trivial for them to adopt a simple >> block transfer for serial binary at the begining. I suspect >> that the reason they didn't do this was that they didn't >> wan't people to transfer programs from machine to machine. >> Can you imaging. 1 million people with computers and they >> only sold one OS. > >Hi Dwight. > >Your theory would make sense in an alternate universe where the floppy >disk was never invented ;) > Ok, then they had no excuse. Dwight

21 years, 1 month

Importing binary files without removable storage nor non-bundled software (was: TKermitFTP

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com> > >On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Patrick Finnegan wrote: > >> Vintage Computer Festival declared on Wednesday 05 January 2005 11:19 pm: >> > On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Pete Turnbull wrote: >> > > Dunno, I don't have quite such old versions :-) My old copy of "The >> > > MS-DOS Bible" says "every version" -- it means 3.30 and older -- >> > > disallows binary reads from devices. The same message is at 5254 in >> > > MS-DOS 3.30 (ditto in PC-DOS 3.30), at 4CA0 in 3.21, and 4CCC in >> > > IBM-DOS 4.01 (from a Compaq). I can't read my MS-DOS 2.10 and 2.11 >> > > disks on the hardware I have here. "Binary reads from a device are >> > > not allowed" is the message at 8753 in DR-DOS 3.41. >> > >> > The question I haven't seen answered yet is, "Well, why the hell >> > not???" >> >> Well, my guess would be that it has no way to determine the EOF coming >> over the line, as it can't just "check the file length", unless there's >> a ^Z there to indicate it. Thus, ASCII mode is needed. > >And the programmers were not smart enough to figure a way around this >because...why? Hi It would have been trivial for them to adopt a simple block transfer for serial binary at the begining. I suspect that the reason they didn't do this was that they didn't wan't people to transfer programs from machine to machine. Can you imaging. 1 million people with computers and they only sold one OS. Dwight

21 years, 1 month

Kinetic's FastPath 4's

by aek＠spies.com

here is the installation manual www.bitsavers.org/pdf/kinetics/4200094-00_FP4_inst_Jul88.pdf

21 years, 1 month

IPI terminators

by james＠jdfogg.com

I'm in need of an IPI terminator. I am trying to make a Sun 690MP usefull and this is the last component in my way. I'm told this is *not* the same as the d-shell 3-pin-row SCSI terminators.

21 years, 1 month

Who Made/Makes the World Smallest Harddrive

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

IS it IBM? I need one for a museum display we are putting together. Thanks

21 years, 1 month

TKermitFTP

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi I'm almost sure I'd done this in the past to get something like laplink running on a remote machine. I suspect that the code specifically had no ^Z until the end of the file and it was just a minimum bootstrap program to load the rest. One could always edit the file by changing any ^Z to something else. Once on the new machine, just change them back. I do remember that the name of the file couldn't be .COM or .EXE. I think the copy from COM1: didn't work for those files names. Dwight >From: "Pete Turnbull" <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> > >On Jan 3 2005, 13:01, John Foust wrote: >> At 12:41 PM 1/3/2005, you wrote: >> > It seems like I remember doing something >> >like "copy COM1: FileName" or something. >> > It seems like I remember there being an issue >> >with the file name extention. >> >> And perhaps something else about setting the mode of the COM1: >> port for bits and binary? > >You can't, in MS-DOS. COPY uses ASCII transfers for COM ports and >complains if you try to force binary, because it needs to see a ctrl-Z >to know where the end-of-file is. > >-- >Pete Peter Turnbull > Network Manager > University of York >

21 years, 1 month

VAXstation 200 memory board

by aw288＠osfn.org

I have a VS2000 memory board (the 2 meg upgrade, I think) doing nothing here, and it needs to go. Anyone want it for a buck and shipping? William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

21 years, 1 month

780 simulator project

by bob.supnik＠sicortex.com

I've finished, and am debugging, a VAX-11/780 simulator, with the goal of running VMS V1, early BSD releases, and other 'first VAX' code. There are a couple of critical missing pieces. In particular, I need 1) 780 PROM bootstrap contents. This was the 4KB of PROM located in the MS780 memory controllers. A binary dump would be sufficient, the simulator can dissassemble VAX code. 2) LSI11 console PROM contents. The LSI11 console ran out of a boot PROM. This is less critical but would help with understanding the fine details of the console-CPU interaction. Again, a binary dump suffices. 3) VMS V1 floppy kit. While early tape distributions have been found, the console floppies have not. The most critical ones are the tape restore program and the system bootstrap (VMB). Getting a 780 online required - booting the console from its PROM - loading the standalone tape restore program into the 780 from the console - running the standalone tape restore program to copy VMS from the distribution tape to a hard disk - loading VMB into the 780 from the console - using VMB to boot VMS Any help would be appreciated. The 780 simulator, in its current incomplete state, is included in the SIMH source distribution, http://simh.trailing-edge.com. -- Bob Supnik bob.supnik(a)sicortex.com VP Engineering Tel: 978.897.0214 x202 SiCortex Fax: 978.461.2444 One Clocktower Place Cell: 508.344.0398 Suite 100 Maynard, Ma 01754

21 years, 1 month

Data General equipment

by ICS＠Core.com

Anyone know of any Data Gereral equipment, such as the Nova 3 or 4, model 6045/50 Hard Drive or Dasher D1 (model 6052) Terminal?

21 years, 2 months

Importing binary files without removable storage nor non-bundled software (was: TKermitFTP

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 5 2005, 15:55, Tom Jennings wrote: > Hmm. It's clearly obvious that when personal memory, and 30+ lbs. > of documentation disagree, the printed manuals are all in error. Absolutely! They change them, you know, when you're not looking. It's often happened to me :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

21 years, 2 months

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test-drb January 2005