I would not want the group to lose focus either, but I consider my IBM XT just as useful as my H88, my Northstar Horizon, and my Intel MDS-225. I also was proposing a 15 to 20 year period rather than just ten.
best regards, Steve Thatcher
-----Original Message-----
From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwight.elvey(a)amd.com>
Sent: Jun 16, 2004 12:28 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: age limits for classic computers
>From: "Steve Thatcher" <melamy(a)earthlink.net>
>
>set an age limit only (make it 15 or 20 years). It is quite fair to have
someone email in and say they are trying to get old hardware running. There is
no reason (other than personal) to restrict the list to topics as long as they
do not include windows, PCs, DOS, or LINUX. It can be quite a challenge to get
an old pc running as is ANY S100 based system. I have done both and I am quite
willing to help anyone try and resolve issues on any machine I have experience
with.
>
Hi
It is just that it would be a shame to turn this into a
"Fix My PC" group. There was an active news group that that
happened to. They changed the name of the group but it
never recovered. All the people the new how to fix PC left
and now just about all one sees are single letters asking
for help in the old group.
I think that rather than a 10 year limit, we might consider
a specific date. For those that want to deal with newer machines,
they can spawn a new side group. Similar to the tech group.
I don't want to shut out the newer stuff but then, I also don't
want to see this group loose its focus.
Dwight
>From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com>
>
>On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 charlesb(a)otcgaming.net wrote:
>
>> is it me, or are we still getting double posts ??
>
>I always get double, sometimes triple or quadruple sets of the same
>messages. They come in spurts. I have never been able to figure out why.
>Well, I've never really tried. I asked Jay about it and he says it's not
>on his side. I'm taking his word for it and assuming my e-mail server is
>screwed, which is a distinct possibility. I've been meaning to install a
>new server but have not had time to do so. I'm assuming a brand new
>server with new everything will fix this problem, but I'd be curious to
>know if other people are experiencing the same thing. It started doing
>this one day last year.
>
>This only happens with CC list traffic (it's the only list I'm on).
>
>
Hi
I suspect it is someone out there with a virus. I'd guess
the virus thinks it is sending infected messages but isn't.
This is just my guess.
Dwight
In a message dated 6/16/04 10:05:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
dvcorbin(a)optonline.net writes:
Same issue here. I *should* be just getting messages once as they are
posted, however 2-3 times per day, I get a complete burst of multiple
messages
Interesting, I don't see any of this behavior in the posts I receive on AOL.
Did get some rare double echoes days later the other day but that is all I
have seen.
Paxton
Astoria, OR
(Where they are making The Ring II right now. Fun with moviemakers in town
again!)
>From: "Steve Thatcher" <melamy(a)earthlink.net>
>
>set an age limit only (make it 15 or 20 years). It is quite fair to have
someone email in and say they are trying to get old hardware running. There is
no reason (other than personal) to restrict the list to topics as long as they
do not include windows, PCs, DOS, or LINUX. It can be quite a challenge to get
an old pc running as is ANY S100 based system. I have done both and I am quite
willing to help anyone try and resolve issues on any machine I have experience
with.
>
Hi
It is just that it would be a shame to turn this into a
"Fix My PC" group. There was an active news group that that
happened to. They changed the name of the group but it
never recovered. All the people the new how to fix PC left
and now just about all one sees are single letters asking
for help in the old group.
I think that rather than a 10 year limit, we might consider
a specific date. For those that want to deal with newer machines,
they can spawn a new side group. Similar to the tech group.
I don't want to shut out the newer stuff but then, I also don't
want to see this group loose its focus.
Dwight
Hi.
I am looking for the EISA Config Utility (ECU) floppies for the folowing
machines:
AlspaServer 2100 5/250
AlspaServer 1000A 5/400
AlspaServer 1000A 4/266
AlphaStation 600 5/266
If someone wants to by the AlspaServer 1000A 5/400 drop me a note.
It is located in Kaiserslautern / Germany. I can deliver to Karlsruhe
(LinuxTag) next week.
Also for sell: DEC HSD30 SCSI to DSSI RAID with two empty BA350 Storage
works shelfes and PCI DSSI adapter.
--
tsch??,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
>From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
---snip---
>I don't like the current over-bloated version-of-the-day MicroSoft products
>either but it doesn't mean that the early PCs are uninteresting and not
>worth collecting.
>
> Joe
>
Hi
I have Joe address so just ask me and I'll give
it to you to send your old junk computers, hardware
and software.
Dwight
PS just kidding. Your right Joe, it is all information
that is being lost. The problem is for the most part,
we still have to pick and choose. Not many people
want a 1951 chevy either. Now, a 1957 Nomad, I'd consider
that.
akb+lists.cctech(a)imap1.mirror.to (Andrew K. Bressen) wrote:
> [incredible wealth of great useful info]
Andrew, thank you very much for such a detailed answer packed with
actual information!
Earlier today, though, I sent someone a check for an HP LaserJet 4Si,
so in all likelihood I'll be using that as my printer. I worked with those
before and I love its engine and the way it's built, it's a great
printer, and it can be equipped with a duplexer, which is extremely
important for me. Since I'm a ClassicCmp'er, my printing consists mostly
of specs, manuals and datasheets, and I need duplex for that.
Though 4Si has only a parallel port on the base unit and is usually
equipped with a JetDirect Ethernet MIO card, I have found that there
exists an MIO parallel/serial card and an HP printer parts dealer is
willing to sell me one. If I equip my 4Si with that card and with the
PostScript SIMM, I could use it as a pure serial PostScript printer and
pretend that it's a DEC LN03R. (I would also want to disable PCL and make
it PS-only. HP doesn't really want you to be able to do it, but it can
be set to PostScript personality in the menu. It doesn't disable PJL
commands and those can still throw it back into PCL, but blocking the
ESC character in the UNIX daemon/filter driving it will stop it.)
Oh well, at least I'm glad I've found the MIO card for it with a serial
port, so I won't have to connect it to Ethernet (in fact I'll remove the
JetDirect card and put it in the closet out of my sight as soon as I get
it). It's just awful, a protocol kitchen sink.
But I may still some day get to play with an LPS, so I have saved your
information-packed message for that day. Thanks again!
MS
Hi everyone,
In my search for what would be the best laser printer for me, I'm
currently thinking about DEC LPS17, aka Digital PrintServer 17.
A DEC dealer close to me is willing to sell me one for a reasonable
price, and it seems like a really cool printer: just like the
LPS40/20/32 monsters, but fits on a tabletop.
Like all Digital PrintServers, it has a built-in VAX CPU running the
PostScript interpreter. However, the firmware image for this VAX,
containing the PS interpreter and everything else, does not reside in
ROM but is instead down-line loaded on powerup over Ethernet, I presume
via MOP. So it needs a MOP server on the network serving its firmware
image. I can set up a MOP server, but I don't have the LPS firmware
image.
So here comes my first question to the list: does anyone have an LPS
firmware image or is one publicly available on some archive site?
DEC docs seem to imply that the firmware is the same for all LPS'es, is
this true or not? I need an image that can run on LPS17 as that's the
only LPS I can get.
Second question. It is my understanding that once an LPS has booted its
firmware, it becomes an independent node on the network accepting print
jobs from anywhere on the network. Is this true or not? The protocols
it speaks are DECnet and TCP/IP, right? If so, how does it obtain its
DECnet and IP addresses? And if I want only one of the two, how do I
configure it? Does it down-line load a configuration file from the MOP
server along with the firmware image specifying DECnet and IP addresses?
What is the format of this file?
Third question. It is my understanding that the protocol spoken over TCP/IP
is extremely simple: no LPR/LPD or anything like that, just a simple TCP
port, you connect to it and everything sent to that TCP port goes to the
PostScript interpreter's %stdin, and this port is 170. Is my understanding
correct? If so, that's perfect, that's exactly what I want, I don't want
it to do any spooling or other lpd-level intelligence, I want my 4.3BSD
server to do all that, with a raw PostScript over Ethernet connection to
the LPS.
Fourth question. Is this PostScript-over-Ethernet connection on TCP port
170 binary clean, or is 0x04 (^D) interpreted as end of one PS job and
beginning of the next? In other words, does my lpd on the 4.3BSD host
driving it need to send a 0x04 between print jobs or should it close the
TCP connection and reopen it instead?
Fifth question. Is there any access control mechanism by which LPS firmware
can be configured to accept connections only from certain sources, or will
it always accept connections (and print jobs) from the entire Universe?
TIA for any help,
MS
Hello Jim,
I've just bought a HP1652B logic analyser on eBay. Now I'm searching
for the 10391b Inverse Assembler toolkit.
I've found your posting from 2002 on classiccmp.org.
The files don't seem to be downloadable from Agilent's FTP server anymore.
So may I kindly ask you if you could please send me the files for the
toolkit and Agilent's IAs by e-mail ?
Thank you for your help !
Greetings from Germany
Michael
--
Michael Reimann . Hardware Development
batalpha Bobach GmbH . Germany . www.batalpha.com
In the late 80's early 90's I wrote a viewdata BBS for the Acorn BBC. Due
to the fact that my beeb is currently broken I have no means of sorting all
my disks. When I find the time to fix it I'll probably find this program.
Cheers,
Eelco
>>> Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk(a)yahoo.co.uk> 06/15 11:31 >>>
On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 01:53, Pete Turnbull wrote:
> There were quite a few other viewdata services besides Prestel. Some
> large businesses used viewdata, a few bulletin boards did, the Open
> University, some banks, and it was widely used by travel agents --
> there was a special system run by a consortium for clearing holiday
> bookings. Derivatives included the French Minitel service, Germany's
> Bildschirmtext, and Canada had something too. The last commercial
> viewdata system I know of (Bank of Scotland HOBS service) finally
> closed last month (though it may still be running for special
> purposes).
I'd love to see the server-side of things running somewhere again
though.
It'd be nice to have a Prestel server at Bletchley with some assorted
80's machines hooked up to it (bodging the phone network inbetween :)
but chances are that nobody's got a copy of the necessary server
software any more :-(
Even if they did have the server software, I can't see them having a
snapshot of live data from the 80's which is what would make it really
interesting. I don't really fancy writing a few hundred fake pages :-)
I've heard mention of some sort of viewdata server system there (not
Prestel), although I haven't personally stumbled across it in storage
yet (no room currently to have it on display!). PDP hardware IIRC. I'll
have to find some more details and then see how viable it is to get
running again...
> It would seem that there is little point in finishing off the rough
> edges on my X-Windows Prestel terminal software ;-)
See above :-)
cheers
Jules
