test-drb June 2004

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by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Anyone know what these are? Just been offered a couple of processor boxes with cache streamers, front-loading reel tape drives with vacuum load, and some sort of disk units ("platters the size of dinner plates" I was quoted) + terminals, printers, cabling etc. I'm awaiting photos, thought I'd ask in the meantime though. I assumed at first (from the mention of the size of things and the age) that it was "just" rebranded DEC stuff, but I could be wrong. Google didn't seem to have anything useful to say on 'ROCC' though, other than a modern systems company who could well have been around in the 70's selling rebadged equipment I suppose... Sounds like stuff that should be saved anyway, so reserve space in those garages now :-) cheers, Jules

20 years, 6 months

A case for downgrading to PCs (was: WARNING: RANTING COMPUTER NUT...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 16, 15:48, David V. Corbin wrote: > I have also seen a good number of "Y" vs. "Delta" screwups [although none > that ever directly effected computer equipment]. The worst was in the late > 1970's when a company was being moved to a new part of the power grid [the > area was rapdily developing and expanding]. "Someone" did not realize that > about half the building was wired in a "non-standard" fashion. "Fortunately" > the wiring acted pretty much as fuses and aside from a small fire, the > damage was minimal. I can't think of a specific incident like that, but I do know that our University uses a non-standard order of phases, and that all the electrical contractors who come on site get a lecture about it, for obvious reasons! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

20 years, 6 months

DOS application in WinXP

by bobcaar＠softhome.net

Don't forget bochs (http://bochs.sourceforge.net/). T.H.x. Devon -----------------Original Message-------------------------- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:17:13 -0400 From: chris <cb(a)mythtech.net> Subject: DOS application in WinXP To: "Classic Computer" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <S.0000344787(a)mythtech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I have an old legacy DOS application that I need to run on new Win XP hardware for the next few months. The problem is, I've been told it won't run under XP's DOS Shell. I'm curious what others have used as solutions to run non NT kernel friendly DOS applications in such an environment. I'm thinking about something like Virtual PC to run a regular DOS 6.2.2 install inside it, but I have no idea if that will actually work. Plus I need to do this on up to 5 machines and buying 5 copies of VPC at the new Microsoft pricing may break the bank (Connectix used to have an OS free version for something like $50... MS now charges $130 for the base price). It looks like VMWare is going to be the same problem with pricing. So does anyone have any other recommended solutions? I'd like this to be as transparent to the users as possible (they currently run the software in a DOS session under Win95, so the closest I can come to that functionality, the better). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

20 years, 6 months

Incoming Msg

by dwight.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Joe Remember what I said about there most likely being someone that has a virus. This would explain both the duplicates that many are seeing ( including me ) and the worm that you are seeing. Dwight >From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > >Hi All, > > I just got the message below from my ISP (Road Runner). It appears that >a message from the CC List contained Zafi.B worm. I've just spent TWO+ >days installing a new hard drive and reloading all my software after >getting some DoS piece of crap that I couldn't remove from the old HD. > > Joe > > > > >>Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:32:44 +0800 >>From: Classiccmp <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >>Subject: RE: Incoming Msg >>To: Rigdonj <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >>X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine >>X-Virus-Scan-Result: Repaired 33994 W32.Beagle.X@mm >>Original-recipient: rfc822;rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com >> >> ALERT!!! >>Road Runner is currently dropping all .com, .exe and .pif files due to the >>negative affect on our network from the Zafi.B/W32.Erkez.B@mm virus. If >>you need to send or receive one of these files types, please make sure that >>the file is sent as a .zip or .gzip compressed file. Road Runner will >>resume accepting these file extensions as soon as possible, once the >>negative affect on our network is resolved. >> >>The following attachments were infected and have been repaired: >>No attachments are in this category. >> >>The following attachments were deleted due to an inability to clean them: >>1. Half_Live.scr: W32.Beagle.X@mm >> >>The Following attachments were not delivered due to inbound mail policy >>violations: >>No attachments are in this category. >> >> >>Road Runner does not contact the sender of the infected attachment(s). >> >>For more information on Road Runner's virus filtering initiative, visit our >>Help > >

20 years, 6 months

age limits for classic computers

by melamy＠earthlink.net

set an age limit only (make it 15 or 20 years). It is quite fair to have someone email in and say they are trying to get old hardware running. There is no reason (other than personal) to restrict the list to topics as long as they do not include windows, PCs, DOS, or LINUX. It can be quite a challenge to get an old pc running as is ANY S100 based system. I have done both and I am quite willing to help anyone try and resolve issues on any machine I have experience with. If you see a mesage that you can help on, then great. If you don't, then file it away or delete it. I really don't recall seeing any messages on here that were inappropriate for a vintage forum. If someone outside finds the list and emails a question that is for something newer, then delete it or respond with COURTESY directing them someplace else. The discussion here over the topic has wasted substantialy more bandwidth then the few emails that come here that don't need to. best regards, Steve Thatcher

20 years, 6 months

OT: EBay UK search hanging

by bobcaar＠softhome.net

I believe there's an option in Opera's Preferences > Network...Synchronous DNS. Disabling this should allow other sessions to continue to function. I'd also check the privacy tab and remove any cookie restrictions. I've had a similar problem on a University network with flaky DNS servers. Seems the servers would be unreachable at the moment Opera tried to connect and it choked. DNS was usually reachable again by the time I ran nslookup. My solution was to set up a local caching DNS server. This was with Opera 6.05, and it didn't happen that often, but happened on any site. I've also seen no responce from ebay when attempting to "View sellers other items" and assumed it was their problem. Never had the problems with Opera 5.12, but, it wasn't used on that network for very long. T.H.x. Devon -----------------Original Message-------------------------- Message: 35 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:08:18 +0000 From: Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk(a)yahoo.co.uk> Subject: OT: EBay UK search hanging To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <1087488498.29729.127.camel(a)weka.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Knowing that there's a few EBay users on the list who also know how to fix modern software... :-) On the rare occasions that I do actually bother to search EBay for anything classic computer related I quite often find that hitting the search submit button just hangs, with the browser (Opera under Linux in my case) sitting there saying "Waiting for DNS confirmation of cookie domain(s)". If I open another browser window at this point and then try and go to any other site it'll just sit there with the same message. If I close the browser and come back later it's fine. Very frustrating. Anyone else see this or know what causes it? I've *only* seen it happen trying to do an Ebay search, never with any other website - but it's been this way for months. Whilst it's hung like this in the browser I can do DNS lookups from the shell fine, so it's not a DNS problem or a local configuration problem. I assume Opera happens to use shared DNS lookup code and for some reason something to do with EBay's search *sometimes* makes it hang. Presumably others might be able to shed some light on this, or at least confim / deny that they've seen similar problems with EBay UK from different platforms and browsers... cheers Jules

20 years, 6 months

O(ff)T? or O(n)T? 22DISK on a PC

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 17, 16:29, Joe R. wrote: > At 09:22 PM 6/16/04 +0100, you wrote: > >My specific requirement is to put together a PC to run 22DISK, my > >DOS-only PAL/PROM programmer software, and the like. It will run DOS > >6.22 in a FAT16 partition (and probably WinXP in another partition > In that case, you might want to give this a try. > <http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/Articles/BootItNG/>. Looks interesting. Once I get as far as fully-working drives and feel like installing something on the hard drive, I'll try it. Thanks! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

20 years, 6 months

TRS80 Model 1 Level II ROMs

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 17, 19:25, Witchy wrote: > I've borrowed a universal device reader/programmer (MQP Pinmaster 48) and > I'm trying to dump the ROMs from my dead TRS80. It claims to be able to read > anything because of its completely configurable design (with an appropriate > adapter for non-DIP style packaging) and I've already dumped some EEPROMS. Sounds a bit like the MicroPross at CompSci, where I used to work. Very cool machine. > However, it doesn't like either of the TRS80 chips (NEC 4K marked as 2332 > and 2364) nor the ROMs on my Tangerine Microtan 65 TUGBOARD (4K roms again I > think). > > This thing knows about over 6500 different *ROMs so maybe there's an > equivalent name I can feed it to see if I can read these ROMs? 2332 is a standard mask-programmed ROM; lots of companies made them. uPD2332 is the equivalent of Intel 2332, Motorola MCM68A332, Mostek MK3200, Texas TMS4732, Signetics 2663, etc. However, one the options is how the outputs are enabled, controlled by pins 20 and 21. Each can separately be specified before manufacture as active high or active low. Some vendors also allowed a choice on pin 20, either a chip select or a power-down/output-enable (different timing, different effect on power consumption). Also, a 2364 is an 8K ROM, but I expect you worked that out. Check what the TRS80 expects the active level to be on each of those pins (I'd guess active low), and that the programmer is doing the same. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

20 years, 6 months

Incoming Msg

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 17, 15:49, Joe R. wrote: > I just got the message below from my ISP (Road Runner). It appears that > a message from the CC List contained Zafi.B worm. That doesn't seem very likely, Joe. First of all, the mailing list won't send attachments, yet the report you got says the worm was in an attachment which was therefore removed. Secondly, they say the mail came "From: Classiccmp <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>" The mailing list never sends a header like that. The mail currently comes with an envelope "From" (no colon) of "cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org" which contains no other name, and always claims to be "From:" (header "From:", with a colon) the original poster. What your ISP has reported on apeears to have had headers forged by the sender, and didn't come from the list. It may have come from some listmember's own machine, or at least an infected machine with "classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org" in an addressbook, but not the list. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

20 years, 6 months

Incoming Msg

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Hi All, I just got the message below from my ISP (Road Runner). It appears that a message from the CC List contained Zafi.B worm. I've just spent TWO+ days installing a new hard drive and reloading all my software after getting some DoS piece of crap that I couldn't remove from the old HD. Joe >Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:32:44 +0800 >From: Classiccmp <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Subject: RE: Incoming Msg >To: Rigdonj <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine >X-Virus-Scan-Result: Repaired 33994 W32.Beagle.X@mm >Original-recipient: rfc822;rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com > > ALERT!!! >Road Runner is currently dropping all .com, .exe and .pif files due to the >negative affect on our network from the Zafi.B/W32.Erkez.B@mm virus. If >you need to send or receive one of these files types, please make sure that >the file is sent as a .zip or .gzip compressed file. Road Runner will >resume accepting these file extensions as soon as possible, once the >negative affect on our network is resolved. > >The following attachments were infected and have been repaired: >No attachments are in this category. > >The following attachments were deleted due to an inability to clean them: >1. Half_Live.scr: W32.Beagle.X@mm > >The Following attachments were not delivered due to inbound mail policy >violations: >No attachments are in this category. > > >Road Runner does not contact the sender of the infected attachment(s). > >For more information on Road Runner's virus filtering initiative, visit our >Help

20 years, 6 months

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test-drb June 2004