test-drb July 2003

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by cvendel＠att.net

Is there an adapter or converter to connect an RMxx drive to a Vax 4000's Qbus??? I can only find references to the Massbus controller and it was meant for the 700 series unibus. I really don't have the room to add yet another device (like an 11/780!!!), especially with an RM05 washing machine being added, so I would much rather utilize my trusty Vax 4000 that I already have several other devices hooked into. Thanks. Curt > Send cctech mailing list submissions to > cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cctech-request(a)classiccmp.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cctech-admin(a)classiccmp.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of cctech digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: iUP-201 PC software (Dave Mabry) > 2. Re: Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory (Zane H. Healy) > 3. RE: Teh over priced Mark-8/IBM 5100 is back (Kane, David (DPRS)) > 4. Re: Replacement CFX-200 Buttons (Fred Cisin) > 5. Looking for Digital Channel Server II (DESNB) (Eric Dittman) > 6. Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory (Roger Merchberger) > 7. Re: M220B (PDP-8/I) schematics available (Ethan Dicks) > 8. Re: M220B (PDP-8/I) schematics available (Jim Davis) > 9. RE: Older wordprocessing software (Evan R. Pauley) > 10. Re: Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory (Doc) > 11. RE: rare TRS-80 model 3 ?? (Witchy) > 12. Re: Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory (Jochen Kunz) > 13. Re: Older wordprocessing software (Jochen Kunz) > 14. re: Older wordprocessing software (Eric F.) > 15. Re: iUP-201 PC software (Joe) > 16. TI 990 Page and simulator (James B. DiGriz) > 17. re: Older wordprocessing software (Gene Ehrich) > 18. Commodore CBM/PET in Terminator 3 (Frank Palazzolo) > 19. Re: Commodore CBM/PET in Terminator 3 (Mark Firestone) > 20. Re: Older wordprocessing software (Bryan Pope) > 21. RE: Older wordprocessing software (Feldman, Robert) > 22. Re: Older wordprocessing software (Gene Ehrich) > 23. Re: Older wordprocessing software (Jay West) > 24. Re: M220B (PDP-8/I) schematics available (Ethan Dicks) > 25. Wanted: RL02 Working... (cvendel(a)att.net) > 26. Re: Older wordprocessing software (Fred Cisin) > 27. Items available (Bradley, Joel E -Syntegra US) > 28. American Automation EZ-Pro development system (Arlen Michaels) > 29. Kontron LA 32A hard drive? (Tom Owad) > 30. Re: American Automation EZ-Pro development system (Douglas Wood) > 31. RE: rare TRS-80 model 3 ?? (Hans Franke) > 32. RE: Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory (Antonio Carlini) > 33. SCSI bit-banging (emanuel stiebler) > 34. Re: M220B (PDP-8/I) schematics available (Bob Shannon) > 35. Re: American Automation EZ-Pro development system (Arlen Michaels) > 36. New Finds: SWTPC :-) (Joe) > 37. /35 /40/ 45 ? (Rod Young) > 38. Re: Looking for new maintainer for DECVAX.ORG and PDP11.ORG (Mark Tapley) > 39. Re: /35 /40/ 45 ? (Zane H. Healy) > 40. Re: /35 /40/ 45 ? (Jay West) > 41. Re: Commodore CBM/PET in Terminator 3 (Cameron Kaiser) > 42. Re: /35 /40/ 45 ? (Rod Young) > 43. Re: Older wordprocessing software (XyWrite) (Eric F.) > 44. PC-7221 (Paul Brodie) > 45. Up for bid - More 'classic' goodies (Bruce Lane) > 46. hp 5036A Lab (roy.harbert(a)adelphia.net) > 47. Re: Older wordprocessing software (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jules=20Richardson?=) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 20:52:17 -0400 > From: Dave Mabry <dmabry(a)mich.com> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: iUP-201 PC software > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > There was an ISIS-based program from Intel for the iUP 201. In fact, > that's what Intel supported it first under. The MS-DOS version came > much later. The program is called IPPS. I can e-mail the ISIS version > to whoever wants it. I have to look around for the DOS version, but I > should have it, too. > > Joe wrote: > > > Hey Dwight, > > > > If you write something, I'd like to get a copy too. I finally got a > > working iuP 201. BTW I've been thinking of making a PC interface for the > > UPP 103. I've finally got some docs on it and found out that it only uses > > about six commands; three writes, two reads and one read status. I don't > > know what they are but it should be too hard to grab the data with a logic > > analyzer. I'm not planning on doing it anytime soon, right now I'm busy > > re-building some MDSs. > > > > BTRW do you know if there was ever any software written for ISIS to > > operate the iUP 201? > > > > Joe > > > > -- > Dave Mabry dmabry(a)mich.com > Dossin Museum Underwater Research Team > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Subject: Re: Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:02:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > > I don't think this machine is *quite* 10 years old yet, but it's pretty > > close -- and it's 'different' enough that hopefully I won't get flamed... > > I'm not sure, but I think it's just over 10 years old, if not, as you say > it's pretty close. > > > I have a DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP which is currently sitting idle -- it has > > Tru64 Unix 5.0 on it currently, and 64Meg of RAM. I was thinking of putting > > Alpha VMS 7.1 instead, for to start learning VMS again (someday... :-O ) > > and I recall saying that Alpha VMS is much happier in more than 64M Ram, so > > I was thinking of upgrading it. > > You can run it in 64MB, but it isn't fun. > > > I do know that it uses 'standard' 72-pin Parity FPM Memory - but what I > > don't know is: how finicky is the machine? Will just any Parity memory > > work, or is it limited to certain manufacturers? I have a supplier that has > > used 32M Parity 72-pin FPM memory for $6/stick -- a decent price > > comparatively - I've seen it at $30+ per stick, which would make a memory > > upgrade cost more than the machine itself... > > You're sure that it uses 72-pin? I'm honestly not sure, I know that the > 3000/300LX does, but the 3000/x00 (can't remember the exact model) that a > friend has sitting in my Living room till she finds a drive for it, uses > proprietary RAM. Anyway, I've used various 72-pin FPM SIMMs in my Alpha's > and haven't had any problems that I can think of. Which isn't to say that > you won't have problems. The other question is, can it handle 32MB SIMMs, > and how many do you have to add at once? > > BTW, 128MB is probably more than enough to just play. > > > Should I take the chance and order the memory, or would it be foolhardy to > > do so? > > Do you deal with anyone that scraps PC's? I'm using some RAM out of Pentium > Pro's in a couple of my Alpha's. > > Zane > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Subject: RE: Teh over priced Mark-8/IBM 5100 is back > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:10:55 +1000 > From: "Kane, David (DPRS)" <David.Kane(a)aph.gov.au> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > I think we should give this guy his very own wet dream. I will bid one > MILLION dollars for it (left small finger in mouth), and someone else > can bid a few buck less. That should be a good laugh for him. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dwight K. Elvey [mailto:dwightk.elvey@amd.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 8 July 2003 9:06 AM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Teh over priced Mark-8/IBM 5100 is back > > "He's Back!" > > It looks like the same fellow with a new name. That'd > be my guess. Who was it that contacted eBay last time? > Maybe he should drop them another note. > As a side question, weren't most of the front panels > for the Mark-8's home made. In which case you couldn't > use someone else's photo. > Dwight > > > >From: chris <cb(a)mythtech.net> > > > >> The seller is the overpriced systems and swiped descriptions and > photos > >>is back. > >><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2544091022&categor > y=12> > >>Is this the same seller ID or a new one? > > > >I'm really curious what exactly he is selling. The listing doesn't say > >that ANYTHING is really for sale. Although whatever the nothing is, its > > >$50 for shipping, and $5,000 to insure it (wow, it costs more to insure > > >it than to buy it!) > > > >-chris > ><http://www.mythtech.net> > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 20:21:43 -0700 (PDT) > From: Fred Cisin <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Replacement CFX-200 Buttons > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > On Sun, 29 Jun 2003, Robbie Sanders wrote: > > The best way to replace the buttons on a CFX-200 is to buy a used CD-401. > > There is a CFX-20 on eBay: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=26447801… > > The 40 and 400 are interchangeable (and they have hex arithmetic) > > Are the 20 and 200 interchangeable? > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Subject: Looking for Digital Channel Server II (DESNB) > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:36:27 -0500 (CDT) > From: dittman(a)dittman.net (Eric Dittman) > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Does anyone have an old Digital Channel Server II (DESNB) sitting > around unused? If so, please let me know. I have someone that > needs one and is willing to pay if it works. > -- > Eric Dittman > dittman(a)dittman.net > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 00:42:06 -0400 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > From: Roger Merchberger <zmerch(a)30below.com> > Subject: Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > I don't think this machine is *quite* 10 years old yet, but it's pretty > close -- and it's 'different' enough that hopefully I won't get flamed... > > I have a DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP which is currently sitting idle -- it has > Tru64 Unix 5.0 on it currently, and 64Meg of RAM. I was thinking of putting > Alpha VMS 7.1 instead, for to start learning VMS again (someday... :-O ) > and I recall saying that Alpha VMS is much happier in more than 64M Ram, so > I was thinking of upgrading it. > > I do know that it uses 'standard' 72-pin Parity FPM Memory - but what I > don't know is: how finicky is the machine? Will just any Parity memory > work, or is it limited to certain manufacturers? I have a supplier that has > used 32M Parity 72-pin FPM memory for $6/stick -- a decent price > comparatively - I've seen it at $30+ per stick, which would make a memory > upgrade cost more than the machine itself... > > I have no idea what they have for manufacturers of the memory - these guys > prolly don't, either. It's a reputable company (I've ordered from them > before) but they don't get too deep with the specifics. (WRT another OT > thread: They have 3Com 905C-TX NICS for $10 each...) > > Should I take the chance and order the memory, or would it be foolhardy to > do so? > > Thanks, > Roger "Merch" Merchberger > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:26:39 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: M220B (PDP-8/I) schematics available > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > --- Robert Krten <root(a)parse.com> wrote: > > For those of you who missed the announcement in alt.sys.pdp8, > > I've now almost completed the M220 version B schematic. It's > > available at: > > > > http://www.parse.com/~pdp8/pdp8i/m220b.html > > Cool! Thanks! I have a few M220 cards that will eventually benefit > from your efforts (I borrowed them from a parts machine to keep the > main machines running). > > > The trials and tribulations of the PDP-8/I restoration can be > > found at: > > > > http://www.parse.com/~pdp8/pdp8i/restore.html > > > > Plenty-o-dead 7474's in that one :-) > > That's been my experience, too. I have replaced as many as 8 7474s > at a go to get an -8/L back on its feet. I don't recall replacing > any other chip, as a matter of fact. > > -ethan > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 23:14:14 -0700 > From: Jim Davis <jpdavis(a)gorge.net> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: M220B (PDP-8/I) schematics available > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Ethan Dicks wrote: > > >--- Robert Krten <root(a)parse.com> wrote: > > > > > >>For those of you who missed the announcement in alt.sys.pdp8, > >>I've now almost completed the M220 version B schematic. It's > >>available at: > >> > >>http://www.parse.com/~pdp8/pdp8i/m220b.html > >> > >> > > > >Cool! Thanks! I have a few M220 cards that will eventually benefit > >from your efforts (I borrowed them from a parts machine to keep the > >main machines running). > > > > > > > >>The trials and tribulations of the PDP-8/I restoration can be > >>found at: > >> > >>http://www.parse.com/~pdp8/pdp8i/restore.html > >> > >>Plenty-o-dead 7474's in that one :-) > >> > >> > > > >That's been my experience, too. I have replaced as many as 8 7474s > >at a go to get an -8/L back on its feet. I don't recall replacing > >any other chip, as a matter of fact. > > > >-ethan > > > > > > > 7474's Dead d flops? whats the story on that? > Jim > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > From: "Evan R. Pauley" <evan(a)flextech.net> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: RE: Older wordprocessing software > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 01:48:36 -0500 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Jules, > > I still have most of those old versions of WordPerfect 5.1 DOS, WordPerfect > 6.0 for both DOS and Windows (the file formats are identical, BTW), MS > Office 4.3 for Win3x, AmiPro/Samna, and even (gasp) MultiMate. I have > *several* copies of the WordPerfect 5.1 manuals, along with some old Lotus > 1-2-3 v2.3 and Harvard Graphics manuals (and the software for those also). > > Personally, I was a WordPerfect aficionado (because of the DOS/WIN file > format matching). Hated Word, and used AmiPro/Samna for legal documents > (best on the planet back then). > > Most are on 5-1/4", a few are on 3-1/2", and Office is on CD. Let me know > privately what you need and we'll work out a way to get it to you. > > Evan Pauley > > ---------- > You wrote: > Hi all, perhaps pusing the boundaries of off-topicness here a little, but... > > I'm taking suggestions for wordprocessing software to run on an older 486 > laptop (1994, so almost within the 10 year limit!) that's running Windows > 3.11 > ... > > I still use the machine for a bit of wordprocessing ocassionally (such as it > is > with Windows Write), and better software would be nice. The laptop's handy > for > taking stuff down on before formatting things 'properly' on a more modern > desktop. > > I remember Ami Pro being quite reasonable on a similar spec desktop machine, > but my copy went to tape years ago and around half of the old tapes of mine > that I found recently are no longer readable :-( > > Suggestions of alternative software welcome though... > > cheers > > Jules > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 02:21:13 -0500 > From: Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Roger Merchberger wrote: > > I do know that it uses 'standard' 72-pin Parity FPM Memory - but what I > > don't know is: how finicky is the machine? Will just any Parity memory > > work, or is it limited to certain manufacturers? I have a supplier that > > has used 32M Parity 72-pin FPM memory for $6/stick -- a decent price > > comparatively - I've seen it at $30+ per stick, which would make a > > memory upgrade cost more than the machine itself... > > There are a bunch of different 3000/300 models. The 3000/300X and > the 3000/300 both take commodity 36-bit parity SIMMs. My 3k/300X is > running RAM from a Mac, from a DEC "Jensen", and from Goodwill. > > The best thumbnail reference directory I've found are on the > DEC/Linux pages: > > http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~prescott/linux/alpha/dec3000-sysinfo.html > > > Doc > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > From: "Witchy" <witchy(a)binarydinosaurs.co.uk> > To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: RE: rare TRS-80 model 3 ?? > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:17:12 +0100 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cctech-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]On > > Behalf Of Mail List > > Sent: 07 July 2003 03:25 > > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > Subject: RE: rare TRS-80 model 3 ?? > > > > Might depend on what environment it was designed for. If for home > > or office > > 110v would be almost exclusively the norm. If it was designed for > > an industrial > > environment, 220v may have been used sometimes. Plus, so many pieces of > > equipment were designed to be switchable between 110v and 220v. > > It just seems odd that the machine itself was set for 110V whereas its > printer is exclusively 240V: > > http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk/dmp100.jpg > > Of course, I'm only assuming it belonged to the machine because everything > came from the same yard sale - Model 3 with plastic cover, DMP100 printer > with plastic cover, cassette deck and a box of paper..... > > cheers > > -- > adrian/witchy > www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the online computer museum > www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - monthly gothic shenanigans > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:14:03 +0200 > From: Jochen Kunz <jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > On 2003.07.08 06:42 Roger Merchberger wrote: > > > I do know that it uses 'standard' 72-pin Parity FPM Memory - but > > what I don't know is: how finicky is the machine? Will just any > > Parity memory work, or is it limited to certain manufacturers? > It should accept any FPM parity (36 bit) SIMMs. One bank consists of two > SIMMs. In fact, it uses long word parity, i.e 33 bit SIMMs like the > AS500. I think it can use only 8 MB and 32 MB SIMMs. > > > Should I take the chance and order the memory, or would it be > > foolhardy to do so? > Well. By two SIMMs, look if they work and by additional 6 if they do. I > have a 300X with 256 MB RAM, thats nice. > > In an other mail Zane isn't sure if it uses 72 pin SIMMs or proprietary > RAM. All models of DEC 3000-300 use 72 pin SIMMs. The DEC > 3000-[456789]00 models use very special 100 pin SIMMs and they need 8 > per bank. > -- > > > tschüß, > Jochen > > Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:41:32 +0200 > From: Jochen Kunz <jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Older wordprocessing software > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > On 2003.07.07 15:32 Jules Richardson wrote: > > > I'm taking suggestions for wordprocessing software to run on an older > > 486 laptop (1994, so almost within the 10 year limit!) that's running > > Windows 3.11 > 1. Replace Windows with an operating system. E.g. Linux or NetBSD. > (Especially the later runs very well on older hardware with non-GHz CPUs > and only a few MB RAM.) > You may skip this step if you are not willing to wrap your head around > Unix. > 2. LaTeX. Period. > I used several WYSIWYG text processing software at that time > (WordPerfect, AmiPro, StarWriter, ...) and they all sucked. Then I got > into Unix and LaTeX and stayed there since then. LaTeX is not that easy > to learn, but you get _very_ good results for your work. I think (La)TeX > is the most bug free software on this planet. IIRC the LaTeX > distribution for WinDOS and OS/2 of that time was called EMTEX. If you > are able to switch to Linux or NetBSD you can use the most recent teTeX. > > -- > > > tschüß, > Jochen > > Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 14 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 02:26:01 -0700 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > From: "Eric F." <elf(a)ucsd.edu> > Subject: re: Older wordprocessing software > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > On Mon, Jul 7, 08:36:00, 2003, Jules Richardson wrote: > > >I remember Ami Pro being quite reasonable on a similar spec desktop machine, > >but my copy went to tape years ago and around half of the old tapes of mine > >that I found recently are no longer readable :-( > > > >Suggestions of alternative software welcome though... > > XyWrite comes to mind: low resource requirements, yet oodles of formatting > options. > > It takes a bit of time and practice to build up some speedy chops, so it > may not be the panacea you're looking for. I do know, however, that > XyWrite's format can be successfully converted into (many of) today's > common word processing formats. > > > Regards, > Eric > > --__--__-- > > Message: 15 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 07:06:55 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > Subject: Re: iUP-201 PC software > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > I think I found an ISIS version of iPPS last night but I'd like to get > he MS-DOS version if you have it. Do you have the pinout for the cable? > > Joe > > > At 08:52 PM 7/7/03 -0400, you wrote: > >There was an ISIS-based program from Intel for the iUP 201. In fact, > >that's what Intel supported it first under. The MS-DOS version came > >much later. The program is called IPPS. I can e-mail the ISIS version > >to whoever wants it. I have to look around for the DOS version, but I > >should have it, too. > > > >Joe wrote: > > > >> Hey Dwight, > >> > >> If you write something, I'd like to get a copy too. I finally got a > >> working iuP 201. BTW I've been thinking of making a PC interface for the > >> UPP 103. I've finally got some docs on it and found out that it only uses > >> about six commands; three writes, two reads and one read status. I don't > >> know what they are but it should be too hard to grab the data with a logic > >> analyzer. I'm not planning on doing it anytime soon, right now I'm busy > >> re-building some MDSs. > >> > >> BTRW do you know if there was ever any software written for ISIS to > >> operate the iUP 201? > >> > >> Joe > >> > > > >-- > >Dave Mabry dmabry(a)mich.com > >Dossin Museum Underwater Research Team > > --__--__-- > > Message: 16 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 07:47:01 -0400 > From: "James B. DiGriz" <jbdigriz(a)dragonsweb.org> > Organization: DragonsWeb Labs > To: ti-990(a)yahoogroups.com, cctalk(a)classiccmp.org, swpb(a)yahoogroups.com, > ti99-4a(a)yahoogroups.com > Subject: TI 990 Page and simulator > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Dunno if everyone has seen this, but there is a fairly new 990 web page > up by David PItts, who has written a simulator and cross-development > tools for Linux and Windows. > > It might be interesting to take something like this, or M.E.S.S. or one > of the other simulators, and reimplement the DX10 4A dev tools. Maybe > somebody might even still have them around somewhere. Hmmm. > > http://www.cozx.com/~dpitts/ti990.html > > later, > jbdigriz > > --__--__-- > > Message: 17 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:20:50 -0400 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > From: Gene Ehrich <gehrich(a)tampabay.rr.com> > Subject: re: Older wordprocessing software > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > At 02:26 AM 7/8/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >XyWrite comes to mind: low resource requirements, yet oodles of formatting > >options. > > What ever happened to XyWrite, was it acquired by another company? > > --__--__-- > > Message: 18 > From: "Frank Palazzolo" <palazzol(a)comcast.net> > To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Commodore CBM/PET in Terminator 3 > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:45:34 -0400 > Organization: Knarfian Labs > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Anyone else spot that one near the end of the movie? It was one of the > 80-column models. > Not sure what any of the other "30-year old" computers were. > > -Frank > > --__--__-- > > Message: 19 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 14:03:09 +0100 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > From: Mark Firestone <nedry(a)mail.bedlambells.com> > Subject: Re: Commodore CBM/PET in Terminator 3 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > I haven't seen it yet, but Captain Kirk owns one! Check out Star Trek > II... in his apartment... > > At 08:45 08/07/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >Anyone else spot that one near the end of the movie? It was one of the > >80-column models. > >Not sure what any of the other "30-year old" computers were. > > > >-Frank > > [---------] > "Homer, we don't have to have sex." > "Yes we do, the cookie told me so." > "Deserts aren't always right Homer." > "But they're so delicious." > > Website: retrobbs.org > BBS: telnet bbs.retrobbs.org 2323 > Tradewars: telnet tradewars.retrobbs.org > [---------] > > --__--__-- > > Message: 20 > From: Bryan Pope <bpope(a)wordstock.com> > Subject: Re: Older wordprocessing software > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:08:15 -0400 (edt) > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > And thusly Joe spake: > > > > >What about DisplayWrite?? :) > > > > > >*ducking and sprinting for cover* > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Bryan > > > > > > > Geez, why not just use Edlin? :-/ > > > > Joe > > Hey I forgot about that wonderful creation! > > But then there is also: > > C:>copy < document.txt > > (I think it goes this way...) > > Cheers, > > Bryan > > --__--__-- > > Message: 21 > Subject: RE: Older wordprocessing software > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 07:21:55 -0600 > From: "Feldman, Robert" <Robert_Feldman(a)jdedwards.com> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > C>Copy con foo.txt<CR> > Foo bar baz<CR> > Testing^Z<CR> > C> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Pope [mailto:bpope@wordstock.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:08 AM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Older wordprocessing software > > > And thusly Joe spake: > > > > >What about DisplayWrite?? :) > > > > > >*ducking and sprinting for cover* > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Bryan > > > > > > > Geez, why not just use Edlin? :-/ > > > > Joe > > Hey I forgot about that wonderful creation! > > But then there is also: > > C:>copy < document.txt > > (I think it goes this way...) > > Cheers, > > Bryan > > --__--__-- > > Message: 22 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 10:32:05 -0400 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > From: Gene Ehrich <gehrich(a)tampabay.rr.com> > Subject: Re: Older wordprocessing software > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > At 09:08 AM 7/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > >What about DisplayWrite?? :) > > I used DWA (Display Write Assistant) for years and it was an outstanding > piece of software > > --__--__-- > > Message: 23 > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Older wordprocessing software > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:38:22 -0500 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > When I do have the need for word processing on my vintage boxes, I use SATURN > on RT-11. > > Jay West > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gene Ehrich > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:32 AM > Subject: Re: Older wordprocessing software > > > At 09:08 AM 7/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > >What about DisplayWrite?? :) > > I used DWA (Display Write Assistant) for years and it was an outstanding > piece of software > > --__--__-- > > Message: 24 > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 07:59:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: M220B (PDP-8/I) schematics available > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > --- Jim Davis <jpdavis(a)gorge.net> wrote: > > Ethan Dicks wrote: > > >That's been my experience, too. I have replaced as many as 8 7474s > > >at a go to get an -8/L back on its feet. I don't recall replacing > > >any other chip, as a matter of fact. > > > > > >-ethan > > > > > 7474's Dead d flops? whats the story on that? > > Jim > > Dunno. I can say categorically that they were failed chips. They > did not pass muster in a handheld TTL tester, and when replaced, > the PDP-8/L worked. > > There was a mention on the list of a batch of 7440s that failed in > another M-series machine (might or might not have been an -8/L) > with the same date code. > > Not sure why 7474s from the mid-to-late 1960s would be more fragile > than, say, 7400s. Perhaps the flipping and the flopping wears them > out faster than anding and oring? :-) > > -ethan > > --__--__-- > > Message: 25 > From: cvendel(a)att.net > To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Wanted: RL02 Working... > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 16:04:55 +0000 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Hi everyone, > > I found a place on the East Coast selling RL02's and RLV12's for $120, anyone > in the NJ/NY/CT/MA/RI area (basically anyone in like a 3hr driving radius of > me) have an RL02 they want to sell cheap??? I'd like to pick the unit up and > save myself the $100 shipping charge (plus the worries of it bouncing around in > the back of a UPS or Fedex Ground truck!) So I'd be willing to pay someone in > my area $100 for a drive and $20 for an RLV12 if you have them and they are > known working, please let me know, thanks!!! > > Also I'm still looking for an RM05 or CDC9976 300MB Disk Pak drive, if > someone in my area has one that I could take on loan for 1 week and return for > a $$$ Rental Fee, I'd be willing to work something out with them. > > Thanks, > Curt > > --__--__-- > > Message: 26 > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:23:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: Fred Cisin <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Older wordprocessing software > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Bryan Pope wrote: > > C:>copy < document.txt > > (I think it goes this way...) > > copy con: document.txt > > The colon is optional on most versions, but helps as a reminder that it is > a device, and avoids problems if one manages to creat a file named CON. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 27 > From: "Bradley, Joel E -Syntegra US" <Joel.E.Bradley(a)syntegra.com> > To: "'cctalk(a)classiccmp.org'" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Items available > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:50:33 -0500 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > I have the following items available. Please e-mail me directly at > joel.bradley(a)comcast.net if interested: > > Sony PIC-1000 Magic Link with software (PDA circa 1994) > > Control Data Corporation Cyber 960 Framed and Matted photograph (approx 24" > x 20") > > Control Data Corporation Cyber 960 Matted photograph, No Frame (approx 24" x > 20") > > Control Data Corporation 3 - Ring Binder (many available) > > Control Data Corporation White Coffee Mugs (individual or set available) > > Control Data Corporation Legal Pad portfolio, brown leather-like material. > NICE! > > Microsoft Excel 2.2 for Macintosh - MINT IN BOX, still shrinkwrapped! > > ------ > Joel > > --__--__-- > > Message: 28 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 15:22:11 -0400 > Subject: American Automation EZ-Pro development system > From: Arlen Michaels <arlen(a)acm.org> > To: classiccmp <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > This microprocessor development system dating from the early 80s includes a > hardware in-circuit emulator for the Motorola 68HC11. I'd like to get it > running but I have no documents or software. Can anyone help? > > The main box is model number AA-547 and I believe it hooks up by serial > cable to a host PC. Besides the external ICE hardware, there's also a small > prom programmer box hanging off the system. > > Thanks in advance, > Arlen Michaels > > --__--__-- > > Message: 29 > From: Tom Owad <owad(a)applefritter.com> > To: Classic Computer <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Kontron LA 32A hard drive? > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:11:32 -0400 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > I have Kontron LA 32A Logic Analyzer that complains about no boot disk on > startup. It has two drive bays, the first of which has a floppy drive > and the second of which is empty. > > Does anybody know what software I'd need to get this running or would be > willing to make copies? > > Thanks, > Tom > > Applefritter > www.applefritter.com > > --__--__-- > > Message: 30 > From: "Douglas Wood" <dbwood(a)kc.rr.com> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: American Automation EZ-Pro development system > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:27:56 -0500 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > An 'HC11 emulator from the "early '80s"? I'm going from solely from memory > here, but I don't think that the 'HC11 existed then. Do you possibly mean > the 6805 series of microcontroller, perhaps? > > Douglas Wood > Software Engineer > dbwood(a)kc.rr.com > ICQ#: 143841506 > > Home of the EPICIS Development System for the PIC > http://epicis.piclist.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arlen Michaels" <arlen(a)acm.org> > To: "classiccmp" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:22 PM > Subject: American Automation EZ-Pro development system > > > > This microprocessor development system dating from the early 80s includes > a > > hardware in-circuit emulator for the Motorola 68HC11. I'd like to get it > > running but I have no documents or software. Can anyone help? > > > > The main box is model number AA-547 and I believe it hooks up by serial > > cable to a host PC. Besides the external ICE hardware, there's also a > small > > prom programmer box hanging off the system. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Arlen Michaels > > --__--__-- > > Message: 31 > From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> > Organization: SIEMENS AG > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 22:29:38 +0200 > Subject: RE: rare TRS-80 model 3 ?? > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > > > > Another puzzle is why mine came with a 240V printer when it was a 110V US > > > > machine? How common is a 240V circuit over there, apart for the likes of > > > > washing machines? > > > > How common is equipment that runs on 240V besides large appliances sold in > > > the US? Not very much. > > > > Might depend on what environment it was designed for. If for home or office > > 110v would be almost exclusively the norm. If it was designed for an > industrial > > environment, 220v may have been used sometimes. Plus, so many pieces of > > equipment were designed to be switchable between 110v and 220v. > > Well, maybe keep in Mind that Witchy lives in Britain, and 240 is > there (as for most other parts of the world) the standard voltage. > High power (3 phases) is supposed to be 400 :) > > Now, for the question it's rather where did you buy the machine? > Since the Printer is 240 I assume in Europe. In the late 70s a lot > of machines got directly imported and the people used step down > transformers to operate them - Often dealers even managed to sell > these beasts to customers when the original PSU was switchable to > 220 and so maxing the profit :) > > Gruss > H. > > -- > VCF Europa 5.0 am 01./02. Mai 2004 in Muenchen > http://www.vcfe.org/ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 32 > From: "Antonio Carlini" <arcarlini(a)iee.org> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: RE: Kinda OT: DEC 3000 Model 300 AXP Memory > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 21:32:03 +0100 > Organization: me@home > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Manx ( http://vt100.net/manx ) has an upgrade manual listed for it > (try searching on "dec 3000"). If that doesn't help, I have > a service guide around somewhere, so yell. > > (And, yes, OpenVMS will feel much happier in 128MB). > > Antonio > > -- > > --------------- > Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org > > --__--__-- > > Message: 33 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 15:36:07 -0600 > From: emanuel stiebler <emu(a)ecubics.com> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: SCSI bit-banging > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Hi all, > I guess we all remember this boards attached to > ataris/commodores/apples, where we had a PIA/parallel port to attach > some of the nice SCSI disks. > > However, I don't find anything about this old bit-banging interfaces on > the net. > > Any links ? > > cheers > > --__--__-- > > Message: 34 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 17:44:32 -0400 > From: Bob Shannon <bshannon(a)tiac.net> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: M220B (PDP-8/I) schematics available > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Jim Davis wrote: > > <snip> > > >> > >> That's been my experience, too. I have replaced as many as 8 7474s > >> at a go to get an -8/L back on its feet. I don't recall replacing > >> any other chip, as a matter of fact. > >> > >> -ethan > >> > >> > >> > > 7474's Dead d flops? whats the story on that? > > Jim > > > Good question! I've also chased down several bad 7474's in my Imlac, > and I suspect some bad 7474's on a > few HP 1000 series I/O boards I have down in the shop. > > Is the 7474 a 'dog'? I've know a few TTL parts that were pretty bad, > mainly counters though. But a latch? > > --__--__-- > > Message: 35 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:15:42 -0400 > Subject: Re: American Automation EZ-Pro development system > From: Arlen Michaels <arlen(a)acm.org> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > on 8/7/03 4:27 PM, Douglas Wood at dbwood(a)kc.rr.com wrote: > > > An 'HC11 emulator from the "early '80s"? I'm going from solely from memory > > here, but I don't think that the 'HC11 existed then. Do you possibly mean > > the 6805 series of microcontroller, perhaps? > > Sorry, I should have said "late 80s". The firmware in the 68HC11 emulator > pod is dated 1-18-89. The design of the main box likely did originate > somewhat earlier because it appears to be based on the SS-50 bus (believe it > or not) and certainly AA produced emulators for other early Motorola cpu's. > > Arlen Michaels > > -- > Arlen Michaels > arlen(a)acm.org > > --__--__-- > > Message: 36 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 20:26:09 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > Subject: New Finds: SWTPC :-) > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > A friend of mine picked up about 30 boxs of electronics parts, data > books, evaluation kits, parts samples, etc at a local flea market last > week. Today I was helping him go through the stuff and I spotted some > familar looking boards. I picked one up and remarked that it looked like > something for the SWTPCs. Then THE very next board that I picked up was > marked "SWTPC" so I knew I was onto somehting good. I dug through the boxs > and got 6+ boxs of disks with software for the FLEX OS (used on the SWTPCs) > and found six circuit boards for the SWTPCs. Here's the list: (1) SWTPC > MP-09 - Replacement CPU board for the SWTPC computers, uses 6809 CPU. This > is a MP-09, not an A or B. (2) A Southeastern Micro Systems DDC-16 Floppy > Drive Controller. (3) A Tanner Computers SS-50 64k memory board, uses 2716 > EPROMs or 6116 S RAMs. This one has the S RAMS installed. (4) A SWTPC MP-R > 2716 EPROM burner card. (5) A SWTPC MP-T Interrupt Timer board. It's > implemented with a 5009 programmable counter/ divider and 6820 PIA ICs and > provides software selectable interrupts of 1 usec, 10 usec, 100 usec, 1 > msec, 10 msec, 20 msec, 100 msec, 1 sec, 10 sec, 100 sec, 1 min, 10 min or > 1 hour. (6) A Gimix 2 port Serial Interface board. Fits the SS-30 socket > and uses two MC68B50s. I found everything else described on Michal Holley's > SWTPC site but not this one. Does anyone have any details on it? > > Pretty good haul, specailly considering that I didn't have to go > anywhere and find it :-) > > Joe > > --__--__-- > > Message: 37 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:22:34 -0600 > From: Rod Young <rodyoung(a)shaw.ca> > Subject: /35 /40/ 45 ? > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Well, I'll take a chance and ask... just in case timing is right... > > I'm looking for a PDP 11/35, or /40 to add to the collection. I know I > know, who isn't looking for one! > > I have a few 11/23's and misc cards I might consider trading in case anyone > in Western Canada has a /35 or /40 they are looking to trade??? sell ??? > or just find a good home for... > > thx > rod > > --__--__-- > > Message: 38 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:52:21 -0500 > From: Mark Tapley <mtapley(a)bams.ccf.swri.edu> > Subject: Re: Looking for new maintainer for DECVAX.ORG and PDP11.ORG > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > mrbill wrote: > > >I've also got about a truck-full (maybe a station wagon load, maybe > >less) of old DEC documentation, handbooks, software on paper tape, a > >disc pack or two... Jeff Sharp has seen my garage. 8-) I can't ship any > >of it (unless you provide a FedEx or UPS account number to bill to), and > >would like to avoid throwing it in the trash. At least 3-4 "storage tubs" > >of manuals and documentation, a mixed VMS 4/5 "orange wall", and various > >other things. > > > >If you're interested, please contact me by email. I don't have time for > >DEC/PDP stuff anymore, and need the space in my garage back - but want > >it all to go to someone worthwhile. > > I don't have room to keep this, but if anyone is interested in this, > could likely help with a "rescue". Let me know when/if you want to > set something up. > > -- > - Mark > 210-522-6025, page 888-733-0967 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 39 > Subject: Re: /35 /40/ 45 ? > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:27:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > > I'm looking for a PDP 11/35, or /40 to add to the collection. I know I > > know, who isn't looking for one! > > I'm not. I don't have the room :^( > > Zane > > --__--__-- > > Message: 40 > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: /35 /40/ 45 ? > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 22:04:38 -0500 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Zane wrote.... > > I'm not. I don't have the room :^( > > I *DO* have the room, and I AM looking for a 35/40/45 *grin*. > > So of someone is getting a little tight on space..... > > Jay (dreaming) West > > --__--__-- > > Message: 41 > From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)floodgap.com> > Subject: Re: Commodore CBM/PET in Terminator 3 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:17:37 -0700 (PDT) > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > > Anyone else spot that one near the end of the movie? It was one of the > > 80-column models. > > Yeah, I noticed that. I'm wondering which computer John Connor knocked on > the ground, though. It looked like an early X-term of some vintage. > > -- > ---------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- > Cameron Kaiser, Floodgap Systems Ltd * So. Calif., USA * ckaiser(a)floodgap.com > -- High explosives are applicable where truth and logic fail. -- Marcello Corno > > --__--__-- > > Message: 42 > Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 21:40:01 -0600 > From: Rod Young <rodyoung(a)shaw.ca> > Subject: Re: /35 /40/ 45 ? > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > And... if someone wants to swap an 35/40/45 for my 11/23 ---SMILE... let me > know! > > rod (hoping) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:04 PM > Subject: Re: /35 /40/ 45 ? > > > > Zane wrote.... > > > I'm not. I don't have the room :^( > > > > I *DO* have the room, and I AM looking for a 35/40/45 *grin*. > > > > So of someone is getting a little tight on space..... > > > > Jay (dreaming) West > > --__--__-- > > Message: 43 > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 02:56:53 -0700 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > From: "Eric F." <elf(a)ucsd.edu> > Subject: Re: Older wordprocessing software (XyWrite) > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > On Tue, 08-Jul-2003, @ 08:20:50 -0400, Gene Ehrich wrote: > > >What ever happened to XyWrite, was it acquired by another company? > > > Yeah - something like that. XyWrite's history of commercial development > took a few odd turns, and suffered the consequences of some marketing mishaps. > > > A web page w/some decent info on XyWrite can be found @ > > http://www.escape.com/~yesss/_xywhat.htm > > (This is not my web site, BTW.) > > > Regards, > Eric > > --__--__-- > > Message: 44 > From: Paul Brodie <brodie(a)goulburn.net.au> > To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:04:22 +1000 > Subject: PC-7221 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Mike, > I also have a Sharp lunch box computer and > have tried to get a boot disk or config disk. Have > you had any luck ? > > Regards > > Brodie > > --__--__-- > > Message: 45 > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 07:46:25 -0700 > From: "Bruce Lane" <kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com> > To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Up for bid - More 'classic' goodies > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Shameless plug alert! > > I've got a few items in my latest crop of auctions that may be of > interest to those of you running MicroVAX, MicroPDP, or IBM PS/2 Model 70 or 80 > systems. > > First off, there's an IBM 'Blue Lightning' CPU upgrade kit, unused and > still in its original packaging. This takes a 386 PS/2 system up to IBM's > 486DLC. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=2740760908 > > Second is another Maxtor XT2190 drive, which I'm told is the same as a > DEC RD54. Don't know for sure what shape it's in, but I recall it was a pull > from an old PC (which got scrapped). > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=2740802251 > > Finally, there's a DEC RRD40 CD-ROM drive (the one with the psychotic > D-sub 15 connector on its case). > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=2740796077 > > There's other non-classic (and non-computer) stuff as well, if you're > curious. No reserve on anything, some stuff listed as 'buy-it-now.' > > Thanks for looking. > > > > Anyway, hit E-pay and do a seller search > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, > Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com > ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com > "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior > to what I have now..." (Taki Kogoma, aka Gym Z. Quirk) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 46 > From: <roy.harbert(a)adelphia.net> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: hp 5036A Lab > Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:04:18 -0400 > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > Do you still have loose bound copies of the manual? I would be glad to scan and > post them as I am in need of them myself. I just purchased a lab from eBay, but > it came with no manual or processor. > > Do you happen to know if there are any micro's floating around?? > > Thanks for your time, > Roy > > --__--__-- > > Message: 47 > Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 23:58:17 +0100 (BST) > From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jules=20Richardson?= > <julesrichardsonuk(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: Re: Older wordprocessing software > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > > > > Windows 3.11 > > 1. Replace Windows with an operating system. E.g. Linux or NetBSD. > > (Especially the later runs very well on older hardware with non-GHz CPUs > > and only a few MB RAM.) > > You may skip this step if you are not willing to wrap your head around > > Unix. > > Ahh, been there though. I did run Linux on this very same laptop for a while - > I believe it was AbiWord I used as a basic GUI-based wordprocessor for my > scribbles. > > At the time, one problem was the lack of CDROM drive on the machine for getting > any large software onto it. The only parallel-port drive I had access to was a > Microsolutions Backpack, and no matter what I tried it refused to work with > Linux. No problems there under DOS / Win311. > > Second problem was one of performance - the linux distributions that were > around a couple of years ago tended to be aimed at slightly faster hardware. I > do still have old distributions lying around back to around 1994 or so (I > remember the days of SLS on 50 or so floppies - it was always guaranteed *one* > of the disks would be dead, usually near the end of the pile :) but then I'd > have all sorts of compatibility problems with any modern software. Alternately > I could trim down a more modern version of Linux - but that's a lot of effort > for something that just gets used for casual note-taking now and then. > > Third problem is also performance-related, and down to the time it takes Linux > - or any modern MS operating system - to start up and shut down. If I just want > to spend a couple of minutes typing some notes, I don't want to be taking the > same length of time waiting for the machine to boot and then shut down again at > the end. With DOS / Win311 the startup and shutdown is extremely quick. > > Maybe there's a version of NetBSD that gets round the second problem, but I bet > it still takes a lot longer than DOS/Windows does to boot and shut down. > > > I used several WYSIWYG text processing software at that time > > (WordPerfect, AmiPro, StarWriter, ...) and they all sucked. > > Wordperfect 6.0 I assume, 5.1 not being particularly WYSIWYG as I recall :-) > And yes, from memory 6.0 did suck; all these posts have reminded me of all the > wordprocessing software I'd forgotten about. I used to use 5.1 a *lot* under > DOS until I started running Windows 3 on the PC I had back then. > > I have a horrible feeling the negative thing I vaguely recall about Ami Pro was > its stability, at least in the version I had :-( Maybe there were later > releases with the problems ironed out, or it was just some odd problem with the > machine I had back then. If I can trace a copy then I'll find out I suppose... > > Someone mentioned DisplayWrite too - arghh! That had totally faded from my > memory. My father's work made it their standard for a while; I should have > access to a copy in theory but I have no plans to try and track that one > down... :-) > > cheers > > Jules > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! > Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > End of cctech Digest

21 years

Old Word Processors

by techno＠videotron.ca

Hi guys.... I like that reference to edlin by Joe.... Now that was some pain in the ass WP.... 8*) How about Multimate for DOS.... I used it for years, it was great! I think I'm getting OLD 8*) Doug Taylor PS: Hey Joe I still got my MDS 825 in the basement 8*) -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ D E A D O N A R R I V A L B B S telnet://doabbs.dynip.com http://www.dsuper.net/~techno

21 years

Fun story, and 'How do you remove security anchors from cases?'

by florit＠unixville.com

ClassicCmp story: when I was at my university (Florida International University, Miami, FL), studying computer science, I managed to get in league with a professor (Dr. Milani) to let me take independent study with him, and use the computers in his lab; see, it was sort of the elite lab on campus, the only one outfitted with the then 'super cool' Silicon Graphics Indy and Indigo 2 machines. I'd always jonesed for having one of these, even though they're now outdated for any 'real' work besides terminal duties. I'd run across many on ebay (they're super cheap now), and even saw a prototype Indy at 'Weird Stuff' in but never got around to buying one. See, I'm the kind of classic cmp collector that lets the computer come to him, with the off exception (Timex Sinclair 2068 was ebay bought). Some of my cohorts (Miwa and Gouku) from my days at the University, decided to stay on there working as SysAdmins for the campus computers. They told me that every so often, as systems come to the end of their life, they usually get torn into, all the useful recyclables get extracted (memory and hard drives if they're of any usable size), and their now lifeless corpses get sent to 'surplus'. This is where a gentleman gets their university serial number, marks them as 'gone' from inventory, and they usually get bought out in lots at auctions held every so often. My guess is for metal scrap or some other ill end. These same cohorts go by the surplus building regularly and walk by the soon to be scrapped systems looking for gems to be rescued. At one point, they ran into an SGI system and mentioned it to me, knowing I was interested. However, because of delayed in communication, by the time we mobilized to acquire the system it was gone. Bummer! "Keep an eye out and grab'em when you see any SGI's." I told them, and they said "ok". About a year later, they message me on IRC and say 'Hey, guess what we got you.' I was happy beside myself. When we arrange for the 'drop' at the university campus parking garage: In the trunk of the car they had TWO SGI's for me: an Indigo 2 and an Indy! On the torn stickers affixed to their shells they had their names, Frontier and Pioneer. These were two of the systems from my lab! The lab had been dismantled a few years after a graduated for office space and the systems moved to another room/lab. With much glee I transferred them to my car and ran off as fast as I could before lighting would strike me, with so much luck on my side. I've got them at home; the Indigo 2 had a padlock on it, which I made short work of with a dremel. Opened it up, and it has all of its memory and harddrive- 32Megs and a 1G drive! The Indy had its drive, but no memory. I tried to boot the Indigo 2, but no luck; it would die trying to repair the boot drive. I had a spare scsi drive and a Indy compatible cdrom drive, and a copy of Irix 6.5. I tried to make the Indigo 2 boot with that, but there was no love- aparently the scsi card has some problems and the cdrom keeps on timing out and resetting the scsi bus. I had some spare ram that would work in the Indy, put a replacement drive in it, and after some false starts (didn't know the boot disk had to be SCSI Id 1 on Indys) managed to get most of Irix onto it. Its running quite nicely given its near 9 years of age. So onto the real question here: The outsides are in great shape, but it appears there were some fears of theft in the new lab and they put those aluminum anchors that you thread the cable through and padlock on one end so the equipment doesn't 'Walk away'. I'd like to try and remove this without damaging the case. Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions? There seems to be a rubber like material between the aluminum anchor and the computer itself, and I was thinking of poking at it with a razor blade or the like. Looking for better alternatives, though. Louis

21 years

NEC PC 8001-A, Commodore SX64, Mac Color Classic for Trade

by jared＠ethani.com

I know this is an old message, but did you get, or still have the SMORE cartridge? I've been looking for one for awhile. Thanks, Jared I picked up the following this morning: NEC PC 8001-A keyboard & base unit. Commodore SX64. Mac Color Classic 4/40 Left behind (like-new condition) Commodore 64 (no power brick) 1541 Floppy Drive Commodore Cassette Drive A cartridge labeled "SMORE". Comrex CR220 Serial Bus Printer None of these have any use or value to me, so if they do to YOU, please contact me off list for fair trade. Regards, Eliot

21 years

(Fwd) MINC-11 available (UK)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

This is just to remind anyone who saw my post a few days ago, and hasn't yet decided they need to rescue this MINC... > DEC MINC 11 > > This is a self contained mobile unit based on a PDP11. > > It has an ADC, Digital I/O and clock. VT05 VDU on top of it. Dual 8" > floppies. Era 1980. Quite heavy!! > > It's available up until 21st April - maybe a bit beyond if you really > want it. The deadline was extended until next week, but it is now a firm deadline -- the owner (not me) is in Edinburgh, and is moving office next week, to a new site. There's no way the MINC can go with him, and there's probably soe other stuff available as well. Surely someone can rescue this machine! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

21 years

TIL 308

by Borgwardt-Hamburg＠t-online.de

Dear Mr. Arnold, I found your name and adress by searching in google for the TIL-308 spare part. You published that you got a few of them for sale. If you even have a few of them now, I would be glad if you give me an offer. With kind regards Karlheinz Jentsch

21 years

wweng2.sys for decserver 700

by mrholmes＠email.com

Hello, I am hoping that you have an image file for decserver700 named wweng2.sys. I could really use a copy of this. Another thing that would help is Digital's ASL (Access Server Loader), the (windows) software for tftping above image to device. Any help would be greatly appreciated mrholmes(a)email.com -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers

21 years

dead PDP-8 TTL chips

by c.morris＠townsqr.com

>That's been my experience, too. I have replaced as many as 8 7474s >at a go to get an -8/L back on its feet. I don't recall replacing >any other chip, as a matter of fact. > >-ethan Remember earlier this winter when I was restoring my 8/L, I had one or two bad 7474's but EVERY 7440 with date code 7005 was bad! -Charles ps still looking for someone to help with my ASR33 tape reader error rate, so I can finish revising my DF32x4 NVRAM project.

21 years

rare TRS-80 model 3 ??

by archivesoftware＠celebritydirect.net

I have a unique TRS-80 model 3 that I am trying to find some information on. It has a catalog number of 26-1060, which I haven't been able to find any references to on the internet. The majority of the Model 3s are 26-1066 (48k 2-disk systems). It also has a serial # of 0000365! This is a 32k system, which no disk drives. Have any of you seen one of these before? Why aren't there any references to this catalog number out there? I have a feeling this computer was made as a terminal of some sort for the early "networking" that businesses, and particularly schools, used to do... but if that's the case, one would think it would be a lot more common. Just looking for any additional information you might have..... Sincerely, CORD G. COSLOR Archive Software www.archivesoftware.net ----- | Celebrity Direct Entertainment | PO Box 247 - Hutchinson, KS - 67504-0247 | (620) 665-8366 | www.CelebrityDirect.net * CDE(a)CelebrityDirect.net | AOL IM: CelebDirectEnt

21 years

WTB Outbound Laptop

by monkeypox2003＠msn.com

Looking to buy the class Outbound laptop Mac clone, the one with the IR keyboard. Please reply to me at: monkeypox2003(a)msn.com.

21 years

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