test-drb July 2003

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 23, 13:56, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > I need something for Pentium II and higher. Anything that was written > pre-Pentium, such as Landmark which I used quite extensively, would give > meaningless results on anything beyond a Pentium. Well, that depends on what you're measuring, really. But most of the benchmarks mentioned only measure processor speed (mostly, as modified by memory/cache speed) and if you want to know how something will perform as web server, that's not very useful. You want a benchmark that will take into account I/O bandwidth, or more specifically, disk access. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

21 years, 5 months

Token ring (UK)

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

>>Nosiree. Any PC, any RS/6000, really, any machine with PCI can do token >>ring. > >Token ring didn't require PCI bus, I have some ISA Token ring cards around >here somewhere Yep, Madge and IBM (obviously) made ISA boards. I believe they both made PCMCIA cards too (IBM certainly did, I still have one somewhere). My old company were exclusively 16Mbit token-ring up until about three years ago (and crying out for leads on spare parts back then). Support for anything other than a Windows/DOS PC was pretty much non-existant though and as we started using more and more Unix hardware (and the odd Mac, and Linux on x86) on projects I ended up throwing a bit of Ethernet into the pot, and things gradually started going that way by the time I left. cheers Jules ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/

21 years, 5 months

Dec RA60 Drives and HSC40 Controller... worth rescuing?

by CordaAJ＠NSWC.NAVY.MIL

Hey guys, I just ran across a couple of DEC RA60 (removable pack) drives and a HSC40 controller at a local dealer. They know _nothing_ about this stuff, save that it's _heavy_. I was able to find some docs on the controller, but nothing on the drives. As I recently acquired a VAX6630, I am considering latching onto the HSC40, but am vacillating on the drives... they _are_ heavy, and the dealer has no disk packs unless, god forbid, they are still in the drives 8-( ... I need to go back sometime this week and open 'em up for a look-see. Not being familiar with the RA60, and being unable to find any docs on-line, I have no idea how to open these up... does anyone have any experience with these critters? Can they be opened without power (i.e. is the top door locked with a solenoid?) I found a usenet post that indicated how to lock the heads, but I would be greatful for any info/insights on how to open the drives, things to watch out for when moving 'em, what to look for to indicate damage, etc... BTW how susceptable are they to damage if moved with the packs in them? (I _would not_ do this myself, but I know that they were not handled gently by the folks who sold them to the dealer... probably dropped off the back of a U-haul or something equally gentle. They apparently came from an unclamed storage lockup) Also, in the overall scheme of things, are these even worth saving? I have no idea where to get disk packs for them (I do have some 5-platter packs from CDC, model 9877, 877 and 877-51... would these possibly work? was there some sort of disk-pack standard?) Normally, I would not hesitate, but my collection is starting to get out of hand, and I have to start limiting myself...eventually ;-) -al- -acorda(a)1bigred.com

21 years, 5 months

Dec RA60 Drives and HSC40 Controller... worth rescuing?

by rogersda＠cox.net

> > The HSC would need its bootable media, probably CRONIC on 5.25" floppies. > > CRONIC for sure. On a HSC40 or 50 the boot media would be a DEC tape, TU58

21 years, 5 months

dos 1.0

by karlpaul36＠hotmail.com

Joe, Not so. The DOS 1.0 manual has no reference to Microsoft. The first page of the manual of DOS 1.1 states Disk Operation System, by Microsoft. The DOS 1.0 just states Disk Operation System. The part number is not the same either. Karl Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:00:22 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: dos 1.0 Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org If you have a DOS 1.1 manual then you have a DOS 1.0 manual. I've had and seen several DOS 1.0 and 1.1 packages and the only difference between the manuals was that the DOS 1.1 manuals had a paper sticker on them that said "DOS 1.1". Even the part number on them was the same. Joe At 01:31 PM 7/22/03 -0500, you wrote: >I have DOS 1.1, in fact I have ALL of the IBM/PC DOS versions but for a >complete 1.0. > >Karl _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

21 years, 5 months

computer automation...

by aek＠spies.com

> new to the dialog here but was just wondering if there were any interest in the computer automation stuff??? -- I'm interested in getting copies of any software and documentation that you might still have.

21 years, 5 months

help! shugart 801

by aek＠spies.com

> For other drive I have prints but not for the Siemens. www.spies.com/aek/pdf/siemens/

21 years, 5 months

Token ring (UK)

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

At 10:24 PM 7/22/03 -0400, you wrote: >Nosiree. Any PC, any RS/6000, really, any machine with PCI can do token >ring. Token ring didn't require PCI bus, I have some ISA Token ring cards around here somewhere

21 years, 5 months

IBM system 3 Re:PDP-12 on eBay (IBM 650) on ebay)

by roll＠stupi.se

"Mysterious PDP-10's in Stockholm". There is lot's of stuff in the wharehouse... KA10 2 (110V, complete, unknown condition gift from SC-group) BBN Pager 1 Sails's KA pager KI10 4 Three complete, Simon, UCI, Medecindata, Aarhus KL10A 1 "MIT-MC" complete with T300 disks on PDP11 KL10B (1090) 2 Oden (QZ Stockholm) (complete) KL10B (1091) 1 Tempest (Foa studielabb) (complete) KL10B (2065) 1 Vera (KTH) KS10 3 SC-group, TSL-data Clones; SC30 3 One in working condition (gift from SC-Group) TOAD-1 1 Working With the exception of A PDP-6 (have only one card Pulsed BUS Transceiver 1665D) the Foonley's and the Minnow and a SC40, I beleive there is a complete collection of PDP-10's. Lot's of stuff, like a SA-10 IBM chanel adapter, cards, manuals, spares, perpherials: TU77, TU78, TU45, RP07, RP20, RP06, TU70, TU71, DN87, DN200, TU55, TU56, RH10, DF10, DC10 DS10, RM05. And enough IO-bus, Memory-Bus, Massbus etyc cables to put it together. There is other related stuff like one of the original CADR's, PDP8/E, PDP9, PDP12/LINC12.. I don't remember what hapened to "Katia", when the Stacken management decided to destroy the PDP10's, some equipment and tools (like my 2020- extender-card, 7-trk ITS distribution, Rp06 aligment pack) was lost. Pices of Katia might be in the warehouse. Idea was to attach the BBN-pager to a working KA. As for proof, here are some pictures, as you can se it's packed, and unless someone provides a very compelling argument, it will stay packed. http://www.stupi.se/Bilder/pdp-10/index.html -Peter Ps: I'm not a member of the mailinglist, so please send me questions direct.

21 years, 5 months

Looking for an S-100 system

by mhstein＠canada.com

Well, I imagine you'll get quite a few offers, but FWIW I do happen to have a few S-100 systems, to wit, a number of Cromemcos and a couple of Vector MZs. I do also have all the documentation for them, system manuals and manuals for all the individual cards, as well as the system software (CDOS and CROMIX, CP/M and Unix wannabes) and some applications, also with manuals. Mind you, being multi-user systems, they're not quite as simple in design as most of the S-100/CP/M systems out there. I don't think I have the original cards for the Vectors, as I also populated them with Cromemco cards, but I could look; in any case no docs. The problem as always is the shipping; I'm located in Toronto, and S-100 systems tend to have rather heavy linear power supplies. A couple of other list members in my part of the world have expressed interest and of course they will have priority as soon as I find the time to sort it all out, and I'm assuming that shipping will probably make it impractical for you, but if not and you don't get any better offers, let me know and we'll see what we can work out. Good luck, mike -----------------------------Original message-------------------------- From: "Ernest" <ernestls(a)comcast.net> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Looking for an S-100 system Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:23:07 -0700 Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org I am interested in acquiring an S-100 CP/M system and I'm hoping that someone here might have one that they might sell or trade to me. I've never had an S100 type computer but I've always passively wanted one to tinker with. I don't have a particular make or model in mind but I have a general idea of what I'm looking for. Basically, I'm looking for one that I won't be afraid to work on, like an Altair or some other very rare or valuable old computer. An example that I was thinking of was a Northstar Horizon, since it's not rare, has floppy drives, and it follows the standard s100 bus architecture (I think.) The Vector Graphic Vector 1 is another system that seems to be fairly simple in design but I'm not sure how rare/expensive they are. I don't want to spend a fortune, and I'm not looking for anything highly collectable -just something simple and ordinary that I can work on and play with, and repair if something breaks. Thanks, E

21 years, 5 months

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test-drb July 2003