test-drb July 2003

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by cb＠mythtech.net

>Err, if it's worth scanning, then it must have value to someone, and >therefore it's worth preserving the original. Believe me, if I think there is anything that others might want, I'll offer them before throwing them out. And if I think it is something that has value, I'll be sure to check for takers before doing anything that will remove that value (such as cutting bindings to make sheet feeding easier). At the moment, all I have scanned is "test" items. Things that either were already offered and then thrown out when no one wanted them (such as the amplifier manuals I offered months ago that I was able to recover >from my growing pile of scrap paper), or items that have zero value outside of my direct work (old in-house instruction manuals for equipment or processes). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

20 years, 12 months

scanning booklets for archive

by cb＠mythtech.net

>So are these pdf's on a website or ftp site I can get at them? At the moment, no, none of mine are. But I've just started. Depending on how large of a collection I wind up with (and copyrights to the collection), I may either put them all on a site for download, or put some, or put a list of them with a way to request a copy. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

20 years, 12 months

scanning booklets for archive

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

> It worries me (a lot) that you'd throw anything out after scanning it, > considering that that paper version is easier to read and will last a > lot longer than any scanned version... He can always print it out once it's been scanned... ;-) <ducks> J. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/

20 years, 12 months

Data conversion (Commodore 64, 8250 Disk Drive, SuperBase)

by ls＠essential.com.au

I have 4 disks (5 1/4 floppies) full of data that I'm looking to import into an Access Database. The data was written on a Commodore 64 with an 8250 double disk drive. The custom software that was being used sat on top of a SuperBase database. If anyone has the means to convert this data or can offer some tips as to how I could go about doing this it would be much appreciated. Thanks, Lance.

20 years, 12 months

More Acorn finds + Numonics graphics tablet

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Hi all, I managed to pick over some more Acorn hardware that was awaiting disposal at a school yesterday and today. I only had about an hour to look over everything, and there were well over 100 machines piled into a room and cupboard, so as you can imagine it was a little frantic to sort out the good stuff. (case screws flying everywhere as I was pulling useful ROMs from stacks of dead machines :-) Came away with the following: Two Master Compacts, plus a third system unit for spares use. Two ICL-built BBC B's. (serial #'s 36xx and 38xx I think) Two standard Master 128's BBC B with a Watford DDB3 module plugged into socket for IC78 BBC B with a 3.5" floppy drive + bootable print server disk BBC B with Aries B20 / B12 boards installed Master 128 with a Cox 630B genlock card Two Master Turbo machines Music 5000 synthesizer unit Acorn A3010 Acorn A310 A310 "Computer Concepts Scanner Interface" board A310 Nexus interface board A310 video digitiser board (Watford) Around 30 spare Econet modules for Master / A3xx machines Econet kit (clock box etc) still boxed Aries B20 / B12 board Aries B32 / B12 board 6502 coprocessor board Four 486 DX4/100 processor boards on a small backplane (RiscPC?) Cub monitor (my only previous example caught fire!) Acorn RGB monitor w/SCART connection Numerous floppy drives, video leads, Econet connection boxes, spare keyboards, spare PSUs, ROMs etc. Various manuals - not dug into these yet. Numonics 2206 graphics tablet still in its box Questions: Three of the BBC B machines have an IC/module plugged into one of the ROM sockets with a label saying "RAM". The modules are twice the height of a normal IC and have a red and black wire coming out of them. The red wire is soldered to the system board; the black wire has an IC leg clip at the end of it. Any ideas what these are? What does that Watford DDB3 module do? Details on the A310 cards would be nice - specs of the video digitiser, what scanner plugs into the scanner card (it has an 8 pin min-DIN, a 20 pin connector, and what appears to be power output), and what the hell a Nexus card is / does... Information on the genlock card in the Master would be useful. ROMs / software / whatever for the Music 5000 unit could come in handy! I only have the unit itself. *Any* info on the Numonics tablet would be great. It appears to be complete (minus manuals - grr!) and supposedly works, but I don't even know what it plugs into and I don't have any driver software for it. (I'm not even sure how old it is :) Pretty much everything seems to be healthy; one of the ICL B's needs the chips reseating I think and the other one has a track / joint fault in the PSU but otherwise is OK. The Master with the genlock is dead so I'm hoping the genlock card has survived! Fills in a few gaps in the collection anyway. Quick pics of the room as found are at: www.moosenet.demon.co.uk/temp/bbc cheers Jules ===== Backward conditioning: putting saliva in a dog's mouth in an attempt to make a bell ring. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/

20 years, 12 months

scanning booklets for archive

by cb＠mythtech.net

>He could sell or give away the paper version once it's been >scanned (although slicing it to bits may make this harder and >not slicing it to bits means the scanning takes longer). I guess >selling it might be sufficient motive to take longer over the >scanning and not slice a manual. So far none of the stuff I have scanned I think has any selling value (some of it was already offered on this list and no one took it, I actually pulled it from the garbage to scan them). Anything that I think has value I will certainly either take the effort to scan without damaging it, or find out if there is value BEFORE I destroy it. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

20 years, 12 months

[Re: Breaking News] (Oops)

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Sellam was nice enough to let me know that the email to my son had ended up on the mailing list by mistake. Thank you Sellam. Having not read much of the list traffic since this war started, I probably would have not known for a long time until I go back and do some catching up. I checked and sure enough, I had sent it to the list instead. I am unsure how it happened. The list address and his address are miles apart in the address book. I'll try to blame it on a misbehaving mouse or something. For those that may want to know. My son is near Mosul. His unit is with the 101st. The unit operates a number of OH-58 Kiowa gunships. The news footage of Tuesday's fire fight showed a couple of Kiowa's overhead. I had asked him if they were from his unit and it appears they were. I am thankful that all he does is maintain the choppers and therefore his butt stays back at the unit's base most of the time. I'll ask the list to forgive this intrusion with stuff unrelated to classic computers. Mike Thompson

20 years, 12 months

Token ring (UK)

by ken＠seefried.com

>And microchannel; don't forget microchannel. The original "plug and play" >(except _it_ worked...) > >On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Geoff Reed wrote: > >> At 10:24 PM 7/22/03 -0400, you wrote: >> >> >Nosiree. Any PC, any RS/6000, really, any machine with PCI can do token >> >ring. >> >> Token ring didn't require PCI bus, I have some ISA Token ring cards around >> here somewhere > I've seen (at least) Multibus-I, Sun SBus & VMEBus token ring as well.

20 years, 12 months

Breaking News

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

Wednesday, July 23, 2003, 9:20 PM EST Re: Breaking News Hi Dwayne, > If this happened in Mosul then OH-58's would be ours. Had not heard about > their involvment. OK, I'll bite. How would you not know about their involvement? > Oh...and I am only 1/2 south of Mosul in a Quiet, Quaint, little Quandry > of a place. Did you mean "1/2 hour south". You are still at the abandoned airfield, right? Could you expand a little on "Quiet, Quaint, little Quandry"? > And I went to Mosul on Monday and Today (Wed) In one sense, I would have preferred not knowing that. Yeah, I know there are water runs, mail runs, etc. There have been quite a few news articles in the last 24-36 hours. I saved a lot of them until they got just too repetitive. I was going to say that I stand corrected with regards to the number of soldiers killed since May 1. I read one article iearlier today that reported numbers in the high 80's, low 90's (can't find the article at the moment) and then another article states 41 since May 1. I suspect I/we may be confusing combat versus combat/accident/illness. I am gonna close this out now and start another one. I have been feeling overwhelmed with all this recent news. My reaction is to break it down and deal with it in chunks. More soon, Dad

20 years, 12 months

8-inch disk drives

by melamy＠earthlink.net

actually, a point of history is that the 320K disks were still formatted for nine sectors. IBM, for some reason known only to them, filled the ninth sector with all "IBM" if I remember correctly. It has been 21 years since I did this, but I remembered wondering why in the heck they didn't bother to use the ninth sector they formatted. Maybe they were holding it close to them so they could release an "enhancement" that boosted the capacity to 360K. best regards, Steve Thatcher > >I am wonderign how on earth you can make a disk controller (note, not the >OS driver software, the physocal controller) that works correctly with a >9-sector-per-track format, but fails with the 8 sector-per-track version, >all other parameters being the same. Because that's the only difference >between the 320K and 360K MS-DOS formats.

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test-drb July 2003