A reminder to the list that the TCF 2003 is coming up
TRENTON COMPUTER FESTIVAL(TM)
May 3-4, 2003
NJ Convention Center
in the Raritan Center
Info here: http://www.pcshow.com/
While no longer held in Trenton (now in Edison NJ),
it's a worthwhile show for the fleamarket where lots
of classic computers and other hardware (I.C.s, and
other cool things) can often be found cheap!
If you are in traveling distance to Edison NJ, you
might want to make the trip.
While the flea has been getting smaller and smaller,
AND is mostly dominated by recent PC stuff...
There are still classic bargains to be had.
Last year there were several complete Apple II systems
(monitor, drives, CPU, joysticks, software) for $5.00
PowerMac 6100's for $10.00 (A pallet of them).
A dealer was selling DEC Alpha Motherboards.
LaserJet IIIp's for $40.00 (I bought one), and Lexmark
Laser Printers (a small WinPrinter) for $50.00.
Amigas of all stripes were there, lots of older
systems I didn't know much about. I'm sure some of the
"Big Iron" a lot of you here are talking about.
S-100 boards here and there...
Software, and other things...
I'll report anything cool I see.
I'm hoping to pick up a TRS-80 Model I or III (or my
holy grail... an LNW-80), and maybe another Amiga.
I passed up a late model white C-64 for $5.00 last
year. This year, I won't.
I also saw an SX-64 being sold. But didn't want to pay
$100.00 for it. Since it didn't look like it was
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If you have a complete 386 DX 66 or higher (box), I might be interested. --
actually, my wife would be more interested. She misses WordStar and the Dr.
Brain series. She'd be in 7th heaven...
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From: John Rollins [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: 286 Computers (and an Apollo note)
>*But* you can play Castle Wolfenstein 3D on them! ;)
Why keep a 286 around when it does fine on my Mac? I don't play it
much anymore, I bought the new Return to Castle Wolfenstein, someone
told me it's based on the Quake 3 engine. Very nice, but needs a lot
of memory. The Belkin Nostromo game controller really helps, too.
But what am I supposed to do with the old PC's? I'm keeping the more
interesting stuff like my PC and XT. And my personal favorite, the HP
Vectra. But the typical beige box junk is cluttering up my basement.
Everything from 286/386 parts to Pentium MMX systems, what can be
done with them besides recycling the chassis and hoping you'll need
the other parts eventually? I don't imagine many people need or want
that old stuff, even on eBay.
Speaking of eBay, I have some Apollo parts I'm going to put up just
to see what happens. Odd stuff like WD7000 cards and memory cards and
such. Once I gather up most of the other stuff I'll be offering it
here on the list, but if you're interested in getting an old Apollo
chassis and various parts and bits, let me know. I could probably
ship the small stuff, but the big stuff is pretty heavy so I'd prefer
to give it to someone local. I'll post a note here when I get it all
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> > a much preferred model for me. It is where the sale is extended by a
> minute or two
> > when each bid comes in at the end of the auction.
This hurts the seller and should make no difference to the bidder.
NO ONE should ever bid more than they are willing to pay. But with
sniping, people often bid a little higher just to protect their bid. If
there is an extention bids will still not rise higher than anyone is
willing to bid.
I have seen auctions go for $400 on items that normally wouldn't sell for
$300. One bidder contacted me because two people bid that $400 and he
said, "I guess I got stuck. I was just trying to protect my bid." He
paid the auction but clearly bid more than he ever expected or wanted to
The people that whine the most about sniping, NEVER win auctions, unless
they are the first to see a "low" buy-it-now, on popular items. They just
NEVER bid high enough and would lose anyway.
> > eBay prices may be inflated, from a professional dealer's or an
> > hobbyist's perspective.
Actually, they are not inflated at all. Before ebay, prices were
depressed because of the lack of exposure to the item. Supply and demand
was still at work but the demand side is very much increased by ebay.
On items were there is a fixed supply, like antiques and collectibles, the
only side of the equation that can increase is demand. Therefore, the
price rises to the fair and correct value. Simple!
Of course, those that are whining about not being able to find bargains,
don't believe that. :-)
I have an early 64k 5150 PC, with an internal 10mb hard drive, and
external power supply for the hd, and a Davong controller card.
I figured I'd never get this thing running, but I lucked out and found
another Davong ps and card, plus the original (July 1982) documentation
and installation diskette!!!! $5 plus $20 shipping....a bargain for ebay!
I finally got around to seeing if I could get it working. The drive in
my machine is labelled 10 mg formatted. The docs and installation
software mention 6mb and 12mb formatted drives...not 10mb.
To install it, I followed the instructions in the manual...first, make a
blank formatted bootable dos 1.10 floppy. Then copy the files from the
Davong diskette to the new floppy. Now run the installation program,
which configures and formats the hard drive. At first, I told it that
the drive was 12mb, and it crashed during the installation. I changed to
6mb, and it worked fine.
Now I have a system that boots from the floppy I made, and comes up in
the A: drive...but that is the hard drive! B: is another partition on
the hard drive (volume, actually), and C: is the floppy drive. Wierd to
get used to. But PC DOS 1.x on a hard drive is a rather rare thing. I
have a copy of PC DOS 1.00 also, and the Davong software has support for
it also. That might be my next experiment.
This drive identification scheme is just like on my Kaypro 10, which
runs CP/M on it's hard drive (but the Kayrpo boots from the hard drive,
unlike the PC) The Kaypro has user areas, which act a bit like the
directories on DOS 2.x +
Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum!
Wrong side of the pond is right, I was thinking the same thing (another
working AT board with CPU would be great to fix a machine who's board ate
itself). Toth, where are ya? I've got my Token Ring which has sat here on
the back burner pile since I've been dealing with other things. DB9 to
Vampire connector cables (8ft), an IBM 8228, a 3Com LinkBuilder FMS TR 12,
a Bay Networks BayStack Token Ring Hub 504 series 24port with MDA Fiber
card and Network Management Module, an old AT case, some not-really working
AT 386/486/Pentium boards, an ISA Cirrus Logic video card (worked as of 3
months ago when I last used it), etc. I even have a couple EISA Adaptec
1742 (?) cards floating about. Note: The Token Ring NICs are all PCI and
are IBM and Madge, save one: an ISA Ring Adapter card that has BOTH ISA and
MCA edges (just flip a daughtercard/backplate). Nothing to spare on NICs or
PCI/ISA SCSI though, since they are used in my other boxes. Yours for
shipping and maybe some LED's/kits? can never go wrong with blinky lights
and loud fans, heh. All in all told, probably 2 boxes of stuff, weighing in
at about 30-40 pounds. UPS ground/USPS last I checked to most lower 48
states locations is under $35. Talk more off-list and I can give you a
john at boff-net dot dhs dot org
At 03:50 AM 4/27/2003, you wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Rob O'Donnell wrote:
> > Hi, am trying to do a clear-out, and have a hefty box containing the
> > following available FOC to anybody who wants to collect it, from
> > Salford, UK, else it goes in the bin... There is nothing particularly
> > noteworthy here, btw, but it might interest someone.
>Darn, on the wrong side of the pond :/
> > 10 x 486 motherboards, some with processors, at least one with RAM. AT
> > form factor.
> > 6 x Pentium 1 motherboards, AT form factor
> > 1 x Socket 7 motherboard, ATX form factor. works sometimes..
>I've been talking about this off-list for awhile now, but I might as well
>mention something here too. I've been playing with the idea of building a
>Mosix or similar distributed CPU project from old (obsolete? whats that?
>:) 386/486/Pentium boards. I drew up a CAD design for a rack that can hold
>12 such boards on edge. The design uses right angle ISA adapters to allow
>NICs to be plugged into the motherboards.
> > I know there are processors and RAM of similar vintage, not to mention
> > SCSI cards, network and video, etc, I can add to it.
>Recycled text from an older email:
>(Maybe I should put up a better list on web page?)
>I am looking for certain bits of odd, or in some cases very common PC
>hardware if you happen to come across much in the way of used PC stuff. I
>use such boards for driver development/testing for Linux, BSD, etc for
>older hardware when time permits. Since I don't make money from working
>with free drivers, I can't afford to spend much on the hardware, but I am
>happy to cover shipping costs. [Of course, there is a limit to what I can
>afford, so if lots of people contact me, I may have to ask about putting
>some things on hold...]
>The kinds of boards I'm always looking for are:
> S3 chipset based video boards, ISA, EISA, VLB, PCI
> Other older ISA, EISA, VLB, PCI video boards (*except* most 'trident'
> Promise Technology caching controllers, ISA, EISA, VLB, etc
> Promise Technology (other boards)
> BusTek, BusLogic, Mylex [all the same company] SCSI controllers
> Adaptec SCSI controllers (practically any type)
> Madge Token Ring cards
> Token Ring cards (3Com, IBM, etc)
> SMC Arcnet and Ethernet cards (some originally made by Western Digital)
>The more "unusual" cards are also often helpful, including boards with
>EISA or MCA interfaces. Some old motherboards and such are also quite
>helpful, such as old multi-processor types.
>In addition to the kind of hardware above that I can use for driver
>development and testing, 3Com Etherlink III cards of most any type are
>always helpful. I tend to give lots of those away to local schools and
>such, as they are very reliable and were (are?) extremely popular cards.
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Hi, am trying to do a clear-out, and have a hefty box containing the
following available FOC to anybody who wants to collect it, from Salford,
UK, else it goes in the bin... There is nothing particularly noteworthy
here, btw, but it might interest someone.
10 x 486 motherboards, some with processors, at least one with RAM. AT form
6 x Pentium 1 motherboards, AT form factor
1 x Socket 7 motherboard, ATX form factor. works sometimes..
4 x ISA internal modems
1 x PCI internal modem
1 x ISA game port card.
All are from stipped down PCs, so may or may not work (though apart from
the ATX board, I'd be pretty confident of them.)
Also have a mountain of Floppy and IDE (ata33) cables whomever can pick
through. I'll also probably be adding to this pile as I work my way
through the boxes. I know there are processors and RAM of similar vintage,
mention SCSI cards, network and video, etc, I can add to it. I have cases
and some (working but 'need adjustment') monitors too I can throw in.
If anybody is interested, drop me an email on robert at irrelevant dot com
or ring on 07801 809928. I don't want to get into mailing individual bits out
I am afraid, this is mainly an effort to make some space so I can work on
a new bedroom! :-)
I found some new toys out at Purdue Surplus this week...
2xIBM RS/6000 model 220 -- POWER single chip 33MHz
2xIBM RS/6000 model 250 -- PowerPC 601, 66MHz
The one I opened had both memory and a hard disk, and all but one of them
still had their keys.
These things are nice pizza-box sized things, I'm tempted to try and use
them as X-Terminals, since they do have framebuffers. Has anyone tried
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Research Computing and Storage
Tonight I posted to my Web site the latest release of the Altair32 Emulator
for Windows. Through the hard, and much appreciated work of my closest
project teammates, over the last few months we've made a few bug fixes and
several enhancements that improve the functionality of the Emulator. The
release notes include the complete detail, but the most significant changes
* "Revision 0" front panel graphics.
* Disk drive dialog replaced with bitmap graphics of real disk drive
enhanced with disk sounds.
* Full VT100 terminal support within the Windows Console terminal option.
Now, you can add
color to your BASIC programs by using CHR$ codes.
* Added the option of using a real terminal as the console through the
host's serial port.
* Updated unified configuration dialogs.
* Added the ability to create blank disk files on the fly.
* Revised documentation.
Enjoy the emulator. For the next release we're working on bitmapped
graphics for the paper tape reader and possibly a Z80 CPU "plug-in". If you
have any questions or comments, feel free to drop me a line.
Collector of classic computers
Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project
Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/
Altair32 page: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/Altair32.htm