test-drb April 2003

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Reminder - Trenton Computer Festival coming up...

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

A reminder to the list that the TCF 2003 is coming up this weekend... 28th Annual TRENTON COMPUTER FESTIVAL(TM) May 3-4, 2003 NJ Convention Center in the Raritan Center Edison, NJ Info here: http://www.pcshow.com/ While no longer held in Trenton (now in Edison NJ), it's a worthwhile show for the fleamarket where lots of classic computers and other hardware (I.C.s, and other cool things) can often be found cheap! If you are in traveling distance to Edison NJ, you might want to make the trip. While the flea has been getting smaller and smaller, AND is mostly dominated by recent PC stuff... There are still classic bargains to be had. Last year there were several complete Apple II systems (monitor, drives, CPU, joysticks, software) for $5.00 each. PowerMac 6100's for $10.00 (A pallet of them). A dealer was selling DEC Alpha Motherboards. LaserJet IIIp's for $40.00 (I bought one), and Lexmark Laser Printers (a small WinPrinter) for $50.00. Amigas of all stripes were there, lots of older systems I didn't know much about. I'm sure some of the "Big Iron" a lot of you here are talking about. S-100 boards here and there... Software, and other things... I'll report anything cool I see. I'm hoping to pick up a TRS-80 Model I or III (or my holy grail... an LNW-80), and maybe another Amiga. I passed up a late model white C-64 for $5.00 last year. This year, I won't. I also saw an SX-64 being sold. But didn't want to pay $100.00 for it. Since it didn't look like it was working. That's all! Regards, Al The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

21 years, 5 months

286 Computers (and an Apollo note)

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

If you have a complete 386 DX 66 or higher (box), I might be interested. -- actually, my wife would be more interested. She misses WordStar and the Dr. Brain series. She'd be in 7th heaven... Cheers... Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com> -----Original Message----- From: John Rollins [mailto:kd7bcy@teleport.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 11:36 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: 286 Computers (and an Apollo note) >*But* you can play Castle Wolfenstein 3D on them! ;) Why keep a 286 around when it does fine on my Mac? I don't play it much anymore, I bought the new Return to Castle Wolfenstein, someone told me it's based on the Quake 3 engine. Very nice, but needs a lot of memory. The Belkin Nostromo game controller really helps, too. But what am I supposed to do with the old PC's? I'm keeping the more interesting stuff like my PC and XT. And my personal favorite, the HP Vectra. But the typical beige box junk is cluttering up my basement. Everything from 286/386 parts to Pentium MMX systems, what can be done with them besides recycling the chassis and hoping you'll need the other parts eventually? I don't imagine many people need or want that old stuff, even on eBay. Speaking of eBay, I have some Apollo parts I'm going to put up just to see what happens. Odd stuff like WD7000 cards and memory cards and such. Once I gather up most of the other stuff I'll be offering it here on the list, but if you're interested in getting an old Apollo chassis and various parts and bits, let me know. I could probably ship the small stuff, but the big stuff is pretty heavy so I'd prefer to give it to someone local. I'll post a note here when I get it all together. -- /------------------------------------\ | http://jrollins.tripod.com/ | | KD7BCY kd7bcy(a)teleport.com | \------------------------------------/

21 years, 5 months

eBay sniping

by ipscone＠msdsite.com

> > a much preferred model for me. It is where the sale is extended by a > minute or two > > when each bid comes in at the end of the auction. > This hurts the seller and should make no difference to the bidder. NO ONE should ever bid more than they are willing to pay. But with sniping, people often bid a little higher just to protect their bid. If there is an extention bids will still not rise higher than anyone is willing to bid. I have seen auctions go for $400 on items that normally wouldn't sell for $300. One bidder contacted me because two people bid that $400 and he said, "I guess I got stuck. I was just trying to protect my bid." He paid the auction but clearly bid more than he ever expected or wanted to pay. The people that whine the most about sniping, NEVER win auctions, unless they are the first to see a "low" buy-it-now, on popular items. They just NEVER bid high enough and would lose anyway.

21 years, 5 months

Getting long; Was Re: eBay being sued over patent infringement

by ipscone＠msdsite.com

> > eBay prices may be inflated, from a professional dealer's or an > experienced > > hobbyist's perspective. > Actually, they are not inflated at all. Before ebay, prices were depressed because of the lack of exposure to the item. Supply and demand was still at work but the demand side is very much increased by ebay. On items were there is a fixed supply, like antiques and collectibles, the only side of the equation that can increase is demand. Therefore, the price rises to the fair and correct value. Simple! Of course, those that are whining about not being able to find bargains, don't believe that. :-)

21 years, 5 months

IBM PC DOS 1.10 on a Hard Drive

by jforbes2＠mindspring.com

I have an early 64k 5150 PC, with an internal 10mb hard drive, and external power supply for the hd, and a Davong controller card. I figured I'd never get this thing running, but I lucked out and found another Davong ps and card, plus the original (July 1982) documentation and installation diskette!!!! $5 plus $20 shipping....a bargain for ebay! I finally got around to seeing if I could get it working. The drive in my machine is labelled 10 mg formatted. The docs and installation software mention 6mb and 12mb formatted drives...not 10mb. To install it, I followed the instructions in the manual...first, make a blank formatted bootable dos 1.10 floppy. Then copy the files from the Davong diskette to the new floppy. Now run the installation program, which configures and formats the hard drive. At first, I told it that the drive was 12mb, and it crashed during the installation. I changed to 6mb, and it worked fine. Now I have a system that boots from the floppy I made, and comes up in the A: drive...but that is the hard drive! B: is another partition on the hard drive (volume, actually), and C: is the floppy drive. Wierd to get used to. But PC DOS 1.x on a hard drive is a rather rare thing. I have a copy of PC DOS 1.00 also, and the Davong software has support for it also. That might be my next experiment. This drive identification scheme is just like on my Kaypro 10, which runs CP/M on it's hard drive (but the Kayrpo boots from the hard drive, unlike the PC) The Kaypro has user areas, which act a bit like the directories on DOS 2.x + -- Jim Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum! http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2

21 years, 5 months

Wanted: PC parts (was: Re: free pc stuff (Salford, UK))

by john_boffemmyer_iv＠boff-net.dhs.org

Wrong side of the pond is right, I was thinking the same thing (another working AT board with CPU would be great to fix a machine who's board ate itself). Toth, where are ya? I've got my Token Ring which has sat here on the back burner pile since I've been dealing with other things. DB9 to Vampire connector cables (8ft), an IBM 8228, a 3Com LinkBuilder FMS TR 12, a Bay Networks BayStack Token Ring Hub 504 series 24port with MDA Fiber card and Network Management Module, an old AT case, some not-really working AT 386/486/Pentium boards, an ISA Cirrus Logic video card (worked as of 3 months ago when I last used it), etc. I even have a couple EISA Adaptec 1742 (?) cards floating about. Note: The Token Ring NICs are all PCI and are IBM and Madge, save one: an ISA Ring Adapter card that has BOTH ISA and MCA edges (just flip a daughtercard/backplate). Nothing to spare on NICs or PCI/ISA SCSI though, since they are used in my other boxes. Yours for shipping and maybe some LED's/kits? can never go wrong with blinky lights and loud fans, heh. All in all told, probably 2 boxes of stuff, weighing in at about 30-40 pounds. UPS ground/USPS last I checked to most lower 48 states locations is under $35. Talk more off-list and I can give you a better number. -John john at boff-net dot dhs dot org --------------------------------- At 03:50 AM 4/27/2003, you wrote: >On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, Rob O'Donnell wrote: > > > Hi, am trying to do a clear-out, and have a hefty box containing the > > following available FOC to anybody who wants to collect it, from > > Salford, UK, else it goes in the bin... There is nothing particularly > > noteworthy here, btw, but it might interest someone. > >Darn, on the wrong side of the pond :/ > > > 10 x 486 motherboards, some with processors, at least one with RAM. AT > > form factor. > > 6 x Pentium 1 motherboards, AT form factor > > 1 x Socket 7 motherboard, ATX form factor. works sometimes.. > >I've been talking about this off-list for awhile now, but I might as well >mention something here too. I've been playing with the idea of building a >Mosix or similar distributed CPU project from old (obsolete? whats that? >:) 386/486/Pentium boards. I drew up a CAD design for a rack that can hold >12 such boards on edge. The design uses right angle ISA adapters to allow >NICs to be plugged into the motherboards. > > > I know there are processors and RAM of similar vintage, not to mention > > SCSI cards, network and video, etc, I can add to it. > >------- >Recycled text from an older email: >(Maybe I should put up a better list on web page?) > >I am looking for certain bits of odd, or in some cases very common PC >hardware if you happen to come across much in the way of used PC stuff. I >use such boards for driver development/testing for Linux, BSD, etc for >older hardware when time permits. Since I don't make money from working >with free drivers, I can't afford to spend much on the hardware, but I am >happy to cover shipping costs. [Of course, there is a limit to what I can >afford, so if lots of people contact me, I may have to ask about putting >some things on hold...] > >The kinds of boards I'm always looking for are: > > S3 chipset based video boards, ISA, EISA, VLB, PCI > Other older ISA, EISA, VLB, PCI video boards (*except* most 'trident' > chipset) > Promise Technology caching controllers, ISA, EISA, VLB, etc > Promise Technology (other boards) > BusTek, BusLogic, Mylex [all the same company] SCSI controllers > Adaptec SCSI controllers (practically any type) > Madge Token Ring cards > Token Ring cards (3Com, IBM, etc) > SMC Arcnet and Ethernet cards (some originally made by Western Digital) > >The more "unusual" cards are also often helpful, including boards with >EISA or MCA interfaces. Some old motherboards and such are also quite >helpful, such as old multi-processor types. > >In addition to the kind of hardware above that I can use for driver >development and testing, 3Com Etherlink III cards of most any type are >always helpful. I tend to give lots of those away to local schools and >such, as they are very reliable and were (are?) extremely popular cards. >------- > >-Toth ---------------------------------------- Founder, Lead Writer, Tech Analyst and Web Designer Boff-Net Technologies http://boff-net.dhs.org/index.html ---------------------------------------

21 years, 5 months

free pc stuff (Salford, UK)

by classiccmp.org＠irrelevant.fsnet.co.uk

Hi, am trying to do a clear-out, and have a hefty box containing the following available FOC to anybody who wants to collect it, from Salford, UK, else it goes in the bin... There is nothing particularly noteworthy here, btw, but it might interest someone. 10 x 486 motherboards, some with processors, at least one with RAM. AT form factor. 6 x Pentium 1 motherboards, AT form factor 1 x Socket 7 motherboard, ATX form factor. works sometimes.. 4 x ISA internal modems 1 x PCI internal modem 1 x ISA game port card. All are from stipped down PCs, so may or may not work (though apart from the ATX board, I'd be pretty confident of them.) Also have a mountain of Floppy and IDE (ata33) cables whomever can pick through. I'll also probably be adding to this pile as I work my way through the boxes. I know there are processors and RAM of similar vintage, not to mention SCSI cards, network and video, etc, I can add to it. I have cases and some (working but 'need adjustment') monitors too I can throw in. If anybody is interested, drop me an email on robert at irrelevant dot com or ring on 07801 809928. I don't want to get into mailing individual bits out I am afraid, this is mainly an effort to make some space so I can work on a new bedroom! :-) regards Rob.

21 years, 5 months

Board ID : Plessey PM DCV51?

by n1malone＠cox.net

Is it possible for you to send me the data sheets for the 8X305. thx

21 years, 5 months

New finds this week

by pat＠purdueriots.com

I found some new toys out at Purdue Surplus this week... 2xIBM RS/6000 model 220 -- POWER single chip 33MHz 2xIBM RS/6000 model 250 -- PowerPC 601, 66MHz The one I opened had both memory and a hard disk, and all but one of them still had their keys. These things are nice pizza-box sized things, I'm tempted to try and use them as X-Terminals, since they do have framebuffers. Has anyone tried this before? Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www-rcd.cc.purdue.edu

21 years, 5 months

ANN: Altair32 Emulator v2.5 release notice

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: Tonight I posted to my Web site the latest release of the Altair32 Emulator for Windows. Through the hard, and much appreciated work of my closest project teammates, over the last few months we've made a few bug fixes and several enhancements that improve the functionality of the Emulator. The release notes include the complete detail, but the most significant changes include: * "Revision 0" front panel graphics. * Disk drive dialog replaced with bitmap graphics of real disk drive enhanced with disk sounds. * Full VT100 terminal support within the Windows Console terminal option. Now, you can add color to your BASIC programs by using CHR$ codes. * Added the option of using a real terminal as the console through the host's serial port. * Updated unified configuration dialogs. * Added the ability to create blank disk files on the fly. * Revised documentation. Enjoy the emulator. For the next release we're working on bitmapped graphics for the paper tape reader and possibly a Z80 CPU "plug-in". If you have any questions or comments, feel free to drop me a line. Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ Altair32 page: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/Altair32.htm /************************************************************/

21 years, 5 months

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