test-drb April 2003

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by cb＠mythtech.net

Ugh. Sorry to ask this here, but I know many of you will know the answer. I'm looking for a 15 pin High Density, PC Mount, D-Sub, Right Angle, Female socket. In other words, I have a VGA socket that I need to replace on a board. I'm have a surprisingly difficult time tracking one down. I can find 9 and 25 pin all I want, I can even find 15 pin, but not in the high density format (just the regular 2 rows like used in ethernet AUI or Mac RGB connectors). Anyone know of a place to get one. On the same thought, who do people recommend as a source for parts like this. I used to use MCM Electronics, but they seem to be moving more towards the flashy side of things and are carrying less and less variety of small parts. This would normally probably be on topic, but its for a repair of non-classic item, so its slightly off topic. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

21 years, 8 months

eBay sniping

by ipscone＠msdsite.com

>>Specified end time with extended provision. You don't have any such >>"NORMAL" auction like this. > > Of course you do. "Normal" auctions are held on a specific day, which in > real-world terms is much the same thing as an eBay end time. Hell, you > even > have "buy-it-now" (sold prior, in a normal auction format), withdrawn & > changed lots. At best, that is a stretch. A specified end time, is just what it means. eBay is exactly what a sealed bid auction is. A "normal" auction can theoretically go for days. An ebay auction ends at X:YY period. Those that bid early are just people that make a bid and announce what they bid. But those that place their sealed bids at the end are unknown until the end of the auction. Any auction, where there is any real interest, is ALMOST NEVER won by an early bid; making them essentially non-bids. >>This is like a >>sealed bid auction because the auction ends at a specified time and the >>winners will be those that place last second bids (i.e. not seen by >>others). > > Absolute bullshit. A sealed bid auction does not allow you to bid more > than > once, nor do you know if your bid has been exceeded. Nor is there any > advantage/disadvantage in bidding early or late, as no-one knows what the > bids are until the auction finishes. Sure they do. Maybe some don't but many sealed bid auctions allow you to get your bid back and make a change. Until the end of the auction, you can do as you like. The auction you propose is: 1) one with a fixed end time that is published 2) has an extension period for x amount of minutes. There exists NO such auction in the real world. Only in your imagination for a format that you think will give you a better chance of winning. But the bottom line is, you don't win, unless you have the high bid. That is what ebay does; that is what any real world auction does. What you want is one that you can change your mind, essentially, after the auction should have ended. You want an auction where they auctioneer says, "Sold!" and you stand up and say, "I was sleeping. Give me one more minute."

21 years, 8 months

eBay sniping

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: Mike <ipscone(a)msdsite.com> > >> > a much preferred model for me. It is where the sale is extended by a >> minute or two >> > when each bid comes in at the end of the auction. >> > >This hurts the seller and should make no difference to the bidder. > >NO ONE should ever bid more than they are willing to pay. But with >sniping, people often bid a little higher just to protect their bid. If >there is an extention bids will still not rise higher than anyone is >willing to bid. > >I have seen auctions go for $400 on items that normally wouldn't sell for >$300. One bidder contacted me because two people bid that $400 and he >said, "I guess I got stuck. I was just trying to protect my bid." He >paid the auction but clearly bid more than he ever expected or wanted to >pay. > >The people that whine the most about sniping, NEVER win auctions, unless >they are the first to see a "low" buy-it-now, on popular items. They just >NEVER bid high enough and would lose anyway. > Hi I'd once sniped a bid with a value of $145 for an item I wanted. Knowing the current going rate for the item, $120 was about the highest I'd seen. The winning bid, also a last minute bid, went for something over my highest. A couple of days latter, I got a note from the seller. The asked if I was still interested. They didn't specify a price so I told them that I thought a fair price would be 1/2 between the my high price and the next lowest below me( it was $90 ). They said that I should pay the full $145. I told them that that was a proxy bid that wouldn't have been exposed if the other bidder hadn't backed out and that if I'd won the bid at that price, I'd have honored it but since I didn't, I was not obligated to pay that amount and that it was inappropriate for them to demand that I did, considering that it was not a completed auction. They claimed that I was wrong and that I was obligated to pay my high bid. Anyway, later, I found that the same buyer had purchased a number of different items from this seller. What was strange was the variety of the types of items they bought. To be honest, it really looked like it was a shill bid. Now I tell sellers that I will only purchase through eBay and not after bidding when the other seller backs out. There is more to the story but this gives you the idea. Dwight

21 years, 8 months

eBay being sued over patent infringement

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

Protected area? At 04:20 AM 4/25/03 +0100, you wrote: > > It's very professional looking. My compliments. > > >>http://www.lordandlady.net > >>it's sci-fi, Fantasy ,Ren/Mediaeval and goth stuff > >Shame about the 'Protected area' > >(Anyone who wants to know how to bypass anoyances like >this mail me off list) > >Lee. > >________________________________________________________________________ >This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The >service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive >anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: >http://www.star.net.uk >________________________________________________________________________

21 years, 8 months

eBay being sued over patent infringement

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

I will let her know you said so At 11:07 PM 4/24/03 -0400, you wrote: >Geoff, > >It's very professional looking. My compliments.

21 years, 8 months

ISA Expansion Box

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > They are a box with a passive ISA back plane and a pair of ISA cards > that are connected with a single round cable about as big around as > your thumb. The box itself is styled like an XT (down to the sloping > front). The original poster was describing an intended use for these to enable use of a speech-synthesis card on what I'm guessing is a more modern PC with a sound card, as a backup for when the sound card or its drivers fail. I guess what I'm wondering is, how is this supposed to work with shiny new PCs that have no ISA slots, and is that what the poster is really after? Probably completely off topic though. As long as I'm off the rails, some other ramblings: A blind former ex-cow-orker used to use Artic speech synthesizers to work her computers. I remember her having both an ISA card and an external box about the size of a paperback book (maybe a bit thinner and longer) which attached to the PC via a serial port, and later another smaller Artic external box (about half the size of the older one). These were something of a nuisance due to copy protection -- it wasn't enough to require the speech synthesizer hardware, the Artic software was keyed to the specific speech synthesizer. Later (I'm thinking 1997 or 1998) she switched to using a software package called JAWS from Henter-Joyce. This could either use the Artic synthesizer or the Windows audio drivers (she was running NT 4.0 on her notebook PC). She liked the voice of the Artic box (because she'd been using it for years and had got used to it), but rapidly got used to the software speech-synthesizer code because it meant one or two less things to have to carry around. JAWS was also copy protected, with a key diskette that allowed some small number of installations to hard disks -- you could also de-install and increment the counter on the key disk in order to move the installation, but of course if the hard disk got whacked then you might not have the opportunity to do this. -Frank McConnell

21 years, 8 months

eBay being sued over patent infringement

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> It's very professional looking. My compliments. >>http://www.lordandlady.net >>it's sci-fi, Fantasy ,Ren/Mediaeval and goth stuff Shame about the 'Protected area' (Anyone who wants to know how to bypass anoyances like this mail me off list) Lee. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

21 years, 8 months

eBay being sued over patent infringement

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

http://www.lordandlady.net it's sci-fi, Fantasy ,Ren/Mediaeval and goth stuff At 06:51 PM 4/24/03 -0400, you wrote: >Geoff, > > > For small auction site operators like my wife > >So tell us how to find your wife's site, and perhaps some among us >might check it out. > > > > >At 02:08 PM 4/24/03 -0700, you wrote: >>At 09:56 PM 4/23/03 -0500, you wrote: >>>On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, at 08:40 PM, Mail List wrote: >>> >>>>That's right here in the next town over. If it's an open courtroom I could >>>>go over there and check it out. >>>> >>>>I don't know about eBay and patent infringement, but I think eBay >>>>has a monopoly on the online auction market for private individuals >>>>which might warrant anti-trust action. I don't think a private individual >>> >>> The fact that an entity may be the only viable player on a given >>> field doesn't "warrant anti-trust action." If eBay is actively doing >>> anything to hinder their competition, other than doing what they do >>> VERY well, and marketing it well, *that* might warrant action. >> >>They are, the state of Illinois? has a new law that was pushed through >>with the help of ebay requiring the operators of any Internet auction >>site to register with that state "if any potential sellers or buyers >>reside within the state" at a fee of $200. of course you also have to >>find an auctioneer to "sponsor" you and you have to take state approved >>courses to maintain the registration (auction calling, and the like) >>:( the state is getting ready to start filing civil lawsuits seeking >>damages of up to $10,000 and the shutting down of the offending sites if >>you don't comply. >> >> For small auction site operators like my wife (she hasn't made any $ >> from the thing yet and it's been running for > 6 months) that state's >> requirements are onerous.

21 years, 8 months

eBay being sued over patent infringement

by MTPro＠aol.com

Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> wrote: << I sell goods all the time on the austin.forsale newsgroup. As far as I'm concerned, eBay is an *asset* to that, not a detraction. eBay is the de facto Blue Book for used/surplus goods, allowing me to decide if my property is salable, whether it's worth more in cash than as a possession, and how to price it. It also shortstops lowballing by prospective customers. Naturally, it isn't the only resource I use, but it a very convenient and extremely well-organized asset for any seller, and for any buyer of either local or online goods. >> I think for most items, including collectible classic computers, this is absolutely true. I've said for many years, you can find ANYTHING on eBay if you look regularly, and for most things, most of the time, it's a deal. Things that have collectability you have to be more careful about in order to get the best price. That's really true of anything though, shop around a little, research before you buy. I think Michael Nadeau's book, "Collectible Microcomputers" is terrific and I highly recommend it to anyone here, but for pricing, I think the values are definitely on the low end of the spectrum. For instance a Heath H11 from 1977 is said to be valued at between $65 - $175. Do you know how fast I'd jump on the opportunity to buy one for under $200?! Even if just the cpu. Off the top of my head, an H11 in great shape with a couple manuals a few cards in it, operational, I'd say would easily get $600+ on eBay. Anything above that would approach excessive in my mind, but on average, eBay prices represent "real" market values to me. eBay has done a pretty good job over the years to improve the process and to be fair about charges, etc. I think it's just about one of THE best web creations of all time, seriously. Doc, you said it right, it's a fine tool and asset. Best, David David Greelish Classic Computing www.classiccomputing.com "classiccomputing" on eBay

21 years, 8 months

Publishing old manuals and books on the web. Legal?

by swtpc6800＠attbi.com

It is easy to ask for a copyright release from the owner (if they are still in business.) I got permission from Motorola to uses some data sheets on my web site. http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/MP_A2/MC6875/MC6875.htm I sent an email to the press contact in the semiconductor division. (See my request below.) I asked them to foward my request to the correct department. I was emailed a short form to fill out and then they gave me permission. I did the same for Byte magazine but received no response. I am going to put some Radio Electronics articles up without permission because Gernsback Publications went out of business last year. If I find out who owns the copyright I will ask for a release. Try to locate the owner and keep a record of your effort. Have contact information on your web site so any copyright owner can reach you. Heathkit is still around. www.heathkit.com Ask them for permission. I think Popular Electronics was acquired by Gernsback Publications. Michael Holley www.swtpc.com/mholley --------------------------------------------------- My original request to Motorola I have a non-profit web site that documents personal computers from the 1970s that were based on the Motorola 6800 family of microprocessors. ( www.swtpc.com/mholley ) I would like permission to post copies of out-of-print Motorola data sheets. These are useful for collectors and hobbyist who are restoring these 6800 based computers and games. An example is the datasheet for the MC6875 clock generator. http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/MP_A2/MC6875/MC6875.htm Could you direct this email to the correct person that handles this type of release? ----------------------------------------------------

21 years, 8 months

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test-drb April 2003