test-drb April 2003

test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

272 participants
486 discussions

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Erik S. Klein" <classiccmp(a)vintage-computer.com> wrote: > Does anyone have a favorite Windows based terminal emulator? For serial: TeraTerm For network (only): PuTTY I haven't really needed either to emulate anything other than something VT100ish. For HP terminal emulation, Telnet or serial: AICS Research's QCTerm. -Frank McConnell

21 years, 3 months

The very first personal computers - How many are left?

by swtpc6800＠attbi.com

I am a Southwest Technical Products 6800 collector and I normally define the first personal computers as those made before mid 1977. (You could be strict and say they had to introduced in 1975.) Almost all of these were only available in kit form. Even the Apple 1 and KIM required you to build a power supply. In mid 1977 the Apple II , the PET and the TRS 80 brought personal computers to those who did not know which end of a soldering iron you held. I don't know how many SWTPC 6800 were made, I still have 3. SWTPC never have a large market share but lasted longer than most of the early companies. They made computers until the mid 1980s. Michael Holley www.swtpc.com/mholley >From: "The Design Fort DTP" <design.fort(a)ns.sympatico.ca> > >Hi all, > >One thing I was always interested in - and the visitors in my Computer >Museum often want to know - is how many of the very first personal computers >are still in existence. By first PCs I mean the following machines: >Kenbak 1 >Scelbi 8h >Mark-8 >IBM 5100 >Apple 1 >Altair 8800 >IMSAI 8080

21 years, 3 months

3.5" floppy drive in IBM XT?

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I picked up an old IBM XT today and it has a 3.5" floppy drive in it (and it works!) Anybody ever heard of this? The drive has it's own controller card and both it and the drive appear to be IBM parts. )I haven't pulled everything apart to be sure.) FWIW the computer also has a FH 5 1/4" floppy drive and a HH 5 1/4" 10 Mb hard drive with a Seagate logo on the front of it. Anybody know if this is an original XT hard drive or a replacement drive? It's been so long since I've seen an original XT with the 10 Mb drive that I don't remember much about it. Joe

21 years, 3 months

anybody want a Dauphin LapPro 286 User's Manual?

by kurtk7＠visi.com

Hello Yes, I would like it, if it is still available. Thanks Kurt -----Original Message----- From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, April 07, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: anybody want a Dauphin LapPro 286 User's Manual? >Found today in a scrap today. I figured someone would want it. > > Joe

21 years, 3 months

Complete NEC find Today

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

At a local thrift I found in a brown carrying case the following items: NEC PC8201A computer (works great) A LAPDOS cable converter for 1986 made by Traveling Software Two Traveling Software manuals IDEA and T-Word A 10 foot long ribbon cable Purple Computing model D103 external floppy drive (3.5) in it was a T-DOS floppy from Traveling Software TRS-80 model 100 SCRIPSIT 100 cassette and manual TRS-80 Executive Calendar cassette and manual All the power supplies and cables to hook everything together. I searched with google trying to find some information on the Purple drive with no luck anyone have doc's for it?

21 years, 3 months

Need info HP 28S

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Anyone know the size or type of batteries used in this model? On the back cover it shows three batteries being used to power the calculator. Thanks in advance

21 years, 3 months

ADAMcomputer domains

by cmurray＠eagle.ca

The Coleco ADAM does indeed exist. I've been a memeber of the community since 1984. We are having our annual conventioni on Vancouver Island this August. Murray cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org wrote: > Send cctalk mailing list submissions to > cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of cctalk digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Helpful Identification Site (G Manuel) > 2. Re: No Rear View (was Re: Take Two or Nothing) (Steve Jones) > 3. Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 (Eric Smith) > 4. Video Card for HP 9000/217 - was : HP-86B Monitor question (Bernd Kopriva) > 5. Recovering data from disks... (Jim Donoghue) > 6. RE: HP 5451c terminal cable (Peter Brown) > 7. Re: Recovering data from disks... (Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)) > 8. Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 (Kevin Handy) > 9. Re: ebay bid on dec rack (Zane H. Healy) > 10. Re: Recovering data from disks... (Jim Donoghue) > 11. Re: Recovering data from disks... (Dwight K. Elvey) > 12. Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 (Ethan Dicks) > 13. Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (Geoff Roberts) > 14. Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 (Patrick Finnegan) > 15. Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (John Allain) > 16. Re: RA-81 reliability (was Re: ebay bid on dec rack) (Huw Davies) > 17. Re: Kleinstrechenautomat D4e (Doug Coward) > 18. Identification of an old machine (Hills, Paul) > 19. Re: Identification of an old machine (Hans B Pufal) > 20. Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 (Dr. Ido) > 21. Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (David Woyciesjes) > 22. Re: Kleinstrechenautomat D4e (Vintage Computer Festival) > 23. Re: Identification of an old machine (Vintage Computer Festival) > 24. Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (David Woyciesjes) > 25. Re: Identification of an old machine (John Allain) > 26. Re: ebay bid on dec rack (John Allain) > 27. Re: Kleinstrechenautomat D4e (Hans Franke) > 28. Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (David Woyciesjes) > 29. Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (David Woyciesjes) > 30. Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (Ethan Dicks) > 31. Microvax 3400 on eBay (Terry Freeman) > 32. RE: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (Antonio Carlini) > 33. Fw: AdamComputer.com domains (Jay West) > 34. Re: Fw: AdamComputer.com domains (Bryan Pope) > 35. RE: AdamComputer.com domains (Adrian Vickers) > 36. RE: Fw: AdamComputer.com domains (Bob Mason) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "G Manuel" <gmanuel(a)gmconsulting.net> > To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: RE: Helpful Identification Site > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:07:22 -0500 > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > Sorry about that. Thank you for the welcome. I am from Philadelphia, PA. I > mainly collect micros and early PC's although I have had an IBM System 34 in > the past. Still have some parts around for it I think lol. I have been > programming since '77 doing RPG on a IBM System 360. Currently I run my own > consulting firm specializing in high end programmer training and custom app > development. > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: cctech-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]On > Behalf Of Joe > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 12:42 PM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Helpful Identification Site > > Hi Greg, > > Welcome to the list. Where are you from and what are your interest? > > Joe > > At 11:13 AM 3/26/03 -0500, you wrote: > >Hi everyone, > > > >I am kinda new to the list. I have noticed alot of emails where people are > >trying to identify one particular board or another. Just thought I would > >share this site with those who don't know about it. Most boards have an FCC > >ID# on them. Enter it at this site and it can give you some information > >about the board that you can then use as a jumping off point for further > >research. I apologize to anyone that may already have this info. > > > >http://www.fcc.gov/oet/fccid/ > > > >I hope it helps some of you out. On a side note, I have a whole slew of old > >boards and equipment that I am willing to share and as soon as I can > >inventory them I will post a list for you all. > > > >Greg Manuel > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: "Steve Jones" <classiccmp(a)crash.com> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: No Rear View (was Re: Take Two or Nothing) > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:57:41 -0500 > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > Ethan Dicks wrote: > . > > I brought home an 11/34, several RL02s and the two H960 DEC > > racks (72" tall) in the back of my 1976 VW Microbus. > > Darn. I was getting set to respond to this thread with the tale of > borrowing a friend's camper version Microbus to haul home my "new" > VAX-11/730 in late 1990. But that was just a single low-boy cabinet, > and now I feel like a whiner... ;^) > > --Steve. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:07:06 -0800 (PST) > Subject: Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 > From: "Eric Smith" <eric-nospam-638(a)brouhaha.com> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > Joe wrote: > > It has no card edge connectors like a > > Q-bus or Unibus card but does have a metal plate with connectors > > along one side. The plate has a BNC, DB-9M, DB-15M, DB-25M, RJ > > (something) and an eight pin Molex connecotr on it. The board has a > > NEC 7220 graphics IC, an AMD 8085 CPU and several LSICs with DEC > > copywrites on it. > > Sounds like a VT220 or VT240 logic board. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > From: "Bernd Kopriva" <bernd(a)kopriva.de> > To: "cctalk(a)classiccmp.org" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:17:34 +0100 > Subject: Video Card for HP 9000/217 - was : HP-86B Monitor question > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > I will receive a HP 9000/217 within the next weeks ... > ... there will be a 90204A video card included (or maybe a 98627A), but both of them > will not work with a "Standard VGA multisync monitor" ... > > >My 86s work with both the Apple and HP composite monitors. It's the > >9920 (aka 9000/220) that uses the 30kHz horizontal sync instead of the > >usual 15kHz and requires one of the special HP models, such as the HP > >35731A. > ... what card do you mean ? > > > > Is there a video card for my 9000/217, which can be used with a multisync VGA monitor ? > > Thanks Bernd > > Bernd Kopriva Phone: ++49-7195-179452 > Weilerstr. 24 E-Mail: bernd(a)kopriva.de > D-71397 Leutenbach > Germany > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Subject: Recovering data from disks... > From: Jim Donoghue <jim(a)smithy.com> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Date: 26 Mar 2003 15:06:05 -0500 > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > I have several 5 1/4" *hard-sectored* floppy disks. These are in some > proprietary format, they are read by a controller that consists of a Z80 > CPU, an EPROM, and some TTL chips. All this thing does is read the > entire contents of the disk, outputting the data in parallel format over > a ribbon cable. This is used to load CPU microcode into static RAMS. > I want to be able to read the data from the disks, as I no longer have > the controller/drive (or the mainframe it came from.) > Any ideas? > -- > Jim Donoghue > Smithy Co. > (734) 913-6700 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > From: "Peter Brown" <peterbrown10(a)hotmail.com> > To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: HP 5451c terminal cable > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:44:16 +0000 > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > Hi Glen and Joe, > > Thanks for your replies. I've had a closer look at the controller / > computer / terminal connections. It seems to work something like this > > The 2648A terminal has a 13260A card that is connected via a short hooded > edge connector and cable to a longer hooded edge connector on the rear of > the 'controller' box. The controller box is then connected via another > cable (that I have) to a 12531 card the HP 1000 computer. > > The long hooded connector on the controller has the same number of contacts > as the 12531 card in the computer - so I would assume that it is just > replicating the contacts in the computer. > > The controller box has a number of short-cut keys for various functions that > the system can perform so I would guess that the controller can inject > characters into the connection between the terminal and the computer. > > My memory is that all the funcions have two character shortcuts that can be > typed in at the terminal and I notice a couple of cards with diode matricies > in the controller. There is a diode array for each key consisting of up to > 16 diodes - 2 lots of eight bit ascii - maybe. > > Anyhow, Glen it looks as though your cable detective work is correct. The > cable is a 13232B p/n 02640-60058 for connecting the 2648A to a 12531 > interface. > > Joe can you please have a fish around and see if you have the right cable + > we can work something out. > If not then I'll have to take the build-it-yourself approach. > > Many thanks to you both. > > Peter Brown > > _________________________________________________________________ > Surf together with new Shared Browsing > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/browse&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=74&DI=1059 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:00:15 -0800 (PST) > From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > cc: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Recovering data from disks... > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > On 26 Mar 2003, Jim Donoghue wrote: > > I have several 5 1/4" *hard-sectored* floppy disks. These are in some > > proprietary format, they are read by a controller that consists of a Z80 > > CPU, an EPROM, and some TTL chips. All this thing does is read the > > entire contents of the disk, outputting the data in parallel format over > > a ribbon cable. This is used to load CPU microcode into static RAMS. > > I want to be able to read the data from the disks, as I no longer have > > the controller/drive (or the mainframe it came from.) > > Any ideas? > > Is there a brand name? (Somebody else might HAVE one) > > Otherwise,the drive is almost certainly not a problem, and you can > probably use an "industry standard" drive, such as a TM100-2. > > But you will need a controller that can handle hard sectored diskettes. > > Depending on the specs of the format (which you haven't tod us), it MIGHT > be readable with Northstar hardware, or it MIGHT be readable with Vector > Graphic hardware, etc. > > OR, you could build an appropriate controller for a PC. > > -- > Fred Cisin cisin(a)xenosoft.com > XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:48:56 -0700 > From: Kevin Handy <kth(a)srv.net> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > Eric Smith wrote: > > >Joe wrote: > > > > > >>It has no card edge connectors like a > >>Q-bus or Unibus card but does have a metal plate with connectors > >>along one side. The plate has a BNC, DB-9M, DB-15M, DB-25M, RJ > >>(something) and an eight pin Molex connecotr on it. The board has a > >>NEC 7220 graphics IC, an AMD 8085 CPU and several LSICs with DEC > >>copywrites on it. > >> > >> > > > >Sounds like a VT220 or VT240 logic board. > > > > > > > Possibly a GIGI with all those connectors on it. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > Subject: Re: ebay bid on dec rack > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:28:33 -0800 (PST) > From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > > On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, Jay West wrote: > > > FYI - I'm likely going to be bidding on the DEC "3 high" rack on Ebay that > > > includes an RA81. The RA81 is missing the HDA, and I have no need for it, > > > I just want the rack as it's the right height to mate to my 11/44X. If > > > anyone wants the RA81-HDA, let me know before it gets skipped. > > > > :-) Of my 12 RA81s, 10 or so have Post-it notes saying "Bad HDA". I'm > > starting to see a pattern here... > > If you look at the seller on eBay's auctions, you'll notice that he's pulled > all the 'high demand' parts from everything that he's selling. In fact I > don't think he's selling anything that's actually usable, unless like Jay > you need a specific part of what he's selling. > > Zane > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Subject: Re: Recovering data from disks... > From: Jim Donoghue <jim(a)smithy.com> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Date: 26 Mar 2003 16:31:34 -0500 > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > On Wed, 2003-03-26 at 16:00, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: > > > > Is there a brand name? (Somebody else might HAVE one) > > > > The disks are 'CP4 CPU Microcode' disks for a Wang Laboratories' VS-90 > minicomputer system. Their only purpose is to load microcode or > diagnostic routines into the control memory on the CPU board. > > > Otherwise,the drive is almost certainly not a problem, and you can > > probably use an "industry standard" drive, such as a TM100-2. > > > > But you will need a controller that can handle hard sectored diskettes. > > > > Depending on the specs of the format (which you haven't tod us), it MIGHT > > be readable with Northstar hardware, or it MIGHT be readable with Vector > > Graphic hardware, etc. > > I don't have, and cannot obtain, the specs of the format. What I do have > is a disassembly of the Z80 code from the EPROM. From what I have read > scanning old newsgroup postings, etc. today, I might be out of luck. > There's a dealer of old Wang equipment in Ohio that has one of these, > but they want a small fortune for it. I may have to abandon the idea of > reading these disks until I can locate hardware from somewhere else, or > the Wang dealer finally decides it's not worth keeping and scraps it > out. > > -- > Jim Donoghue > Smithy Co. > (734) 913-6700 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:04:19 -0800 (PST) > From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com> > Subject: Re: Recovering data from disks... > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > >From: "Jim Donoghue" <jim(a)smithy.com> > > > >I have several 5 1/4" *hard-sectored* floppy disks. These are in some > >proprietary format, they are read by a controller that consists of a Z80 > >CPU, an EPROM, and some TTL chips. All this thing does is read the > >entire contents of the disk, outputting the data in parallel format over > >a ribbon cable. This is used to load CPU microcode into static RAMS. > >I want to be able to read the data from the disks, as I no longer have > >the controller/drive (or the mainframe it came from.) > >Any ideas? > >-- > >Jim Donoghue > >Smithy Co. > >(734) 913-6700 > > > > Hi > Get something like an EZKIT-lite from Analog Devices. > These are proto typing boards for their DSP chips. These > processors are fast enough to bit bang the data from > floppies. You use one of the digital input lines. > Once you determine the encoding method, you can look > for the directory area or what ever. > Dwight > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:26:20 -0800 (PST) > From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > --- Kevin Handy <kth(a)srv.net> wrote: > > Eric Smith wrote: > > > > >Joe wrote: > > > > > > > > >>It has no card edge connectors... has a BNC, DB-9M, DB-15M, DB-25M, RJ > > >>(something) and an eight pin Molex connecotr on it. The board has a > > >>NEC 7220 graphics IC, an AMD 8085 CPU and several LSICs with DEC > > >>copywrites on it. > > >> > > >Sounds like a VT220 or VT240 logic board. > > > > > Possibly a GIGI with all those connectors on it. > > That's a good guess, especially with the 8085 on there (ISTR that's > the CPU in a GIGI). > > -ethan > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > From: "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:15:05 +1030 > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com> > To: "CCTalk" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 3:13 AM > Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga > > > > Loading system software > > > ?4C DEVINACT, DUA0 > > That looks more like a hardware issue. > "Device Inactive" > It's not the message I usually see if I try and boot off a non-system disk. > > Geoff in Oz > > --__--__-- > > Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:26:32 -0500 (EST) > From: Patrick Finnegan <pat(a)purdueriots.com> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > > --- Kevin Handy <kth(a)srv.net> wrote: > > > Eric Smith wrote: > > > > > > >Joe wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>It has no card edge connectors... has a BNC, DB-9M, DB-15M, DB-25M, RJ > > > >>(something) and an eight pin Molex connecotr on it. The board has a > > > >>NEC 7220 graphics IC, an AMD 8085 CPU and several LSICs with DEC > > > >>copywrites on it. > > > >> > > > >Sounds like a VT220 or VT240 logic board. > > > > > > > Possibly a GIGI with all those connectors on it. > > > > That's a good guess, especially with the 8085 on there (ISTR that's > > the CPU in a GIGI). > > But it's not. A Gigi has an 8-pin molex, two DB-25M's and 4 BNC's on the > back (I just took a look at mine to verify). > > Pat > -- > Purdue Universtiy ITAP/RCS > Information Technology at Purdue > Research Computing and Storage > http://www-rcd.cc.purdue.edu > > --__--__-- > > Message: 15 > From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:10:32 -0500 > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > > Loading system software > > ?4C DEVINACT, DUA0 > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_1622.html > > "Please check existing discussions of the "serpentine" nature of the > Q-bus module configuration available here in Ask The Wizard such as > topic (1149), ... > This could well be a problem with the Q-bus configuration, with the > disk controller (probably an RQDX3 series controller), with the disk > connection,..." > > John A. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 16 > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:49:43 +1100 > From: Huw Davies <Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au> > Subject: Re: RA-81 reliability (was Re: ebay bid on dec rack) > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > At 06:54 AM 26/03/2003 -0800, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > >There was a notorious problem with a formula change with an adhesive. > >I don't recall the HDA rev letter, but drives from the wrong batch > >would fail in record time. Big scramble for DEC to plug the gap. > > I can certainly confirm that there were significant problems with glue > "migrating" onto the platters in RA81s. At the site I was working at in > about 1982 we ordered two RA81s and suitable controller to augment our > storage - we had an RM80 as system disk and two RM03s for user data - these > were the good old days! These were some of the first RA81s delivered in > Australia - I like to say that we had the first two RA81s in Australia > along with about 10 of the next few shipments as well. It got to the stage > where my Field Service engineer and I could replace an RA81 HDA in about 15 > minutes. > > >I think I've seen one drive die due to electronic failure, ever. > > The most entertaining RA81 failure we had (glue induced failures excepted) > was when the drive select switches on drive 1 failed. The controller > detected duplicate IDs and spun _both_ RA81s down. Took a long while to > work out why every time the second drive was powered up, the first would > spin down.... > > Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au > Melbourne | "If soccer was meant to be played in the > Australia | air, the sky would be painted green" > > --__--__-- > > Message: 17 > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 23:48:35 -0800 > From: Doug Coward <mranalog(a)attbi.com> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Kleinstrechenautomat D4e > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > Hans wrote: > > Now, does anyone of you know about a similar machine > > (especialy about the desktop part) produced in series > > before 1963? > > All of the following are electronic desktop > personal computers used by engineers and mass > produced before 1963. > > I have copies of magazine ads for these computers: > Electronic Associates Inc. Model TR-48 April 1962 > Electronic Associates Inc. Model TR-10 June 1960 > Donner Scientific Co. Model 3500 April 1960 > Donner Scientific Co. Model 3400 February 1960 > > Of course there is also the Heath EC-1 introduced > in 1960 and the Heath ES-400 introduced in 1956. > --Doug > ========================================= > Doug Coward > @ home in Poulsbo, WA > > Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center > http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog > ========================================= > > --__--__-- > > Message: 18 > From: "Hills, Paul" <Paul.Hills(a)siemens.co.uk> > To: "'cctalk(a)classiccmp.org'" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Identification of an old machine > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:59:56 -0000 > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > This is going to be rather difficult I think. In 1977 when I first went to > high school, we had a visiting computer science teacher (the school didn't > own it's own computer). He used to come in with a PET mostly, but one day he > couldn't bring the PET so came in with this old machine which was roughly > cubic, each side about 2 foot. On the front it had a wiring panel where you > had to plug in patch leads, and a rotary dial like on old telephones which > was used to dial the numbers in. I don't remember how it displayed its > results. > > Being a first year student and never faced with a computer before I had no > idea what to do with it, and so don't remember much about it. However, now > I'm intrigued - what was that beast? Does anyone have any ideas? > > cheers, > paul > > --__--__-- > > Message: 19 > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:56:14 +0100 > From: Hans B Pufal <hansp(a)aconit.org> > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Identification of an old machine > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > Hills, Paul wrote: > > This is going to be rather difficult I think. In 1977 when I first went to > > high school, we had a visiting computer science teacher (the school didn't > > own it's own computer). He used to come in with a PET mostly, but one day he > > couldn't bring the PET so came in with this old machine which was roughly > > cubic, each side about 2 foot. On the front it had a wiring panel where you > > had to plug in patch leads, and a rotary dial like on old telephones which > > was used to dial the numbers in. I don't remember how it displayed its > > results. > > Interesting, I presume from your email address that this was in the UK. > The first thing that came to mind was the Wireless World computer, this > was a construction project published in the Aug thru Dec 1967 issues of > that magazine. (on my long list of things I to scan someday). > > The 'computer' had an 8 bit word and a 3 word memory and an accumulator. > It could perform various arithemetic operations. The actual published > articles do not show a telephone dial but ISTR some mention of > extensions based on telephone equipment : dials and strowger switches. > > The size and propotions seem to fit, the published design had switches > and lights on the front panel and no plug-board. > > Do you recollect if the machine was homebrewed or manufactured? > > -- hbp > > --__--__-- > > Message: 20 > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:12:00 +1000 > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > From: "Dr. Ido" <drido(a)optushome.com.au> > Subject: Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > At 02:48 PM 3/26/03 -0700, you wrote: > >Eric Smith wrote: > > > >>Joe wrote: > >> > >> > >>>It has no card edge connectors like a > >>>Q-bus or Unibus card but does have a metal plate with connectors > >>>along one side. The plate has a BNC, DB-9M, DB-15M, DB-25M, RJ > >>>(something) and an eight pin Molex connecotr on it. The board has a > >>>NEC 7220 graphics IC, an AMD 8085 CPU and several LSICs with DEC > >>>copywrites on it. > >>> > >>> > >> > >>Sounds like a VT220 or VT240 logic board. > >> > >> > >> > >Possibly a GIGI with all those connectors on it. > > > > My GIGI has 4 BNC connectors and no RJ connectors. I'd say he has a VT240 > board. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 21 > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:26:25 -0500 > From: David Woyciesjes <dwoyciesjes(a)comcast.net> > Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > John Allain wrote: > > > > > Loading system software > > > ?4C DEVINACT, DUA0 > > > > Do you know that it had software? > > It's easy to erase a whole drive when a company is not sure > > which files are sensitive or not. > > I don't know from my limited knowledge how to distinguish > > from a good+empty drive and a bad drive. > > Perhaps it requires additional diagnostics SW. > > > > John A. > > Yeah, it did have software. They were testing keyboard and mice on it, > so it must have a minimum GUI on there. And the people at CTI aren't the > type to go deleting files, especially since at the time, they were under > the impression that they would have to return the VAX... > > -- > ---Dave Woyciesjes > ---ICQ# 905818 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 22 > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:37:02 -0800 (PST) > From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Kleinstrechenautomat D4e > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Doug Coward wrote: > > > Hans wrote: > > > Now, does anyone of you know about a similar machine > > > (especialy about the desktop part) produced in series > > > before 1963? > > > > All of the following are electronic desktop > > personal computers used by engineers and mass > > produced before 1963. > > > > I have copies of magazine ads for these computers: > > Electronic Associates Inc. Model TR-48 April 1962 > > Electronic Associates Inc. Model TR-10 June 1960 > > Donner Scientific Co. Model 3500 April 1960 > > Donner Scientific Co. Model 3400 February 1960 > > > > Of course there is also the Heath EC-1 introduced > > in 1960 and the Heath ES-400 introduced in 1956. > > These are all analog computers, of course. Hans was looking for digital > computers. > > Berkeley's Simon could be considered (1951). > > http://www.widomaker.com/~cswiger/simon/ > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * > > --__--__-- > > Message: 23 > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:38:40 -0800 (PST) > From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Identification of an old machine > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Hans B Pufal wrote: > > > Interesting, I presume from your email address that this was in the UK. > > The first thing that came to mind was the Wireless World computer, this > > was a construction project published in the Aug thru Dec 1967 issues of > > that magazine. (on my long list of things I to scan someday). > > Ooh. I'd love to get a copy of that. > > -- > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * > > --__--__-- > > Message: 24 > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:46:48 -0500 > From: David Woyciesjes <dwoyciesjes(a)comcast.net> > Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > John Allain wrote: > > > > > Loading system software > > > ?4C DEVINACT, DUA0 > > > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_1622.html > > > > "Please check existing discussions of the "serpentine" nature of the > > Q-bus module configuration available here in Ask The Wizard such as > > topic (1149), ... > > This could well be a problem with the Q-bus configuration, with the > > disk controller (probably an RQDX3 series controller), with the disk > > connection,..." > > > > John A. > > Well, after looking at that article, and topic 1149, it seems that I've > created a small problem by moving only two of the boards over and not > the rest, when I removed the M7602 QVSS video board. > > -- > ---Dave Woyciesjes > ---ICQ# 905818 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 25 > From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Identification of an old machine > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:48:22 -0500 > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > > wiring panel where you had to plug in patch leads, and a rotary dial > > Does anyone have any ideas? > > Here's a MiniVac 601 with its prominent spinning dial > http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~hl/c.minivac601.html > > Here's the nearly cubic Heathkit EC-1 > http://www.thocp.net/hardware/pictures/heathkit_analogue.jpg > > These two were about the most common, if not one of these, > your professor's may have been a rare one. Of course they're > all rara now. > > John A. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 26 > From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: ebay bid on dec rack > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:04:35 -0500 > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > > FYI - I'm likely going to be bidding on the DEC "3 high" rack on > > Ebay that includes an RA81. The RA81 is missing the HDA, and > > I have no need for it, I just want the rack as it's the right height to > > mate to my 11/44X. If anyone wants the RA81-HDA, let me know > > before it gets skipped. > > Will comply. > Similarly, if anybody wants to subdivide the 8 x RA92 rack > with me that's fine. I only want 2 or 4 max, but let me know. > > John A. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 27 > From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> > Organization: SIEMENS AG > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:05:28 +0100 > Subject: Re: Kleinstrechenautomat D4e > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > > > Now, does anyone of you know about a similar machine > > > (especialy about the desktop part) produced in series > > > before 1963? > > > All of the following are electronic desktop > > personal computers used by engineers and mass > > produced before 1963. > > > I have copies of magazine ads for these computers: > > Electronic Associates Inc. Model TR-48 April 1962 > > Electronic Associates Inc. Model TR-10 June 1960 > > Donner Scientific Co. Model 3500 April 1960 > > Donner Scientific Co. Model 3400 February 1960 > > > Of course there is also the Heath EC-1 introduced > > in 1960 and the Heath ES-400 introduced in 1956. > > ES-400 ? Sounds somewhat familar :) > > Are you shure we are talking about the same? > > My question was about a digital free programmable > desktop computer - all in onw, including I/O and > so on. > > For the Analog part, East Germany had some realy > impressive machines. We had a real nice one from > the mid 60s at last years VCFe > > So, the hunt is still open. > > Gruss > H. > > -- > VCF Europa 4.0 am 03./04. Mai 2003 in Muenchen > http://www.vcfe.org/ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 28 > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:18:56 -0500 > From: David Woyciesjes <dwoyciesjes(a)comcast.net> > Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > David Woyciesjes wrote: > > > > John Allain wrote: > > > > > > > Loading system software > > > > ?4C DEVINACT, DUA0 > > > > > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_1622.html > > > > > > "Please check existing discussions of the "serpentine" nature of the > > > Q-bus module configuration available here in Ask The Wizard such as > > > topic (1149), ... > > > This could well be a problem with the Q-bus configuration, with the > > > disk controller (probably an RQDX3 series controller), with the disk > > > connection,..." > > > > > > John A. > > > > Well, after looking at that article, and topic 1149, it seems that I've > > created a small problem by moving only two of the boards over and not > > the rest, when I removed the M7602 QVSS video board. > > > > -- > > Yep. That appears to be the answer. It's booting now VAX/VMS V5.1 Major > id = 1 Minor id = 0. > Now it's asking for the date and time, but for the life of me I can't > seem to input a valid answer! Help!?! > > -- > ---Dave Woyciesjes > ---ICQ# 905818 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 29 > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:03:05 -0500 > From: David Woyciesjes <dwoyciesjes(a)comcast.net> > Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > David Woyciesjes wrote: > > > > Now it's asking for the date and time, but for the life of me I > > can't seem to input a valid answer! Help!?! > > > > -- > > Well, finally got that figured out. Now I have a call in to the former > oweners, to find a username/password. > Does anybody know, when Digital sent out (loaner) machines to > comapnaies for testing products, was there a default username/password > that they usually set? > > -- > ---Dave Woyciesjes > ---ICQ# 905818 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 30 > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 07:26:33 -0800 (PST) > From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > --- David Woyciesjes <dwoyciesjes(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > ...Now I have a call in to the former oweners, to find a > > username/password. > > There are instructions in VMS FAQs (among other places) for how to > get into a machine when you have free access to the console. There > is some variation, but there are some cookbook instructions on how > to do it. > > > Does anybody know, when Digital sent out (loaner) machines to > > comapnaies for testing products, was there a default username/password > > that they usually set? > > The canonical defaults are SYSTEM/MANAGER and FIELD/SERVICE. Some > older machines might have SYSTEST/UETP. Any of these should have enough > privs to let you twiddle the SYSUAF file (change passwords, add accounts, > etc.) > > More recent versions of VMS will not allow you to take a default > SYSTEM password, but you can change it back after the install is > done. > > -ethan > > --__--__-- > > Message: 31 > From: "Terry Freeman" <terryf(a)intersurf.com> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Microvax 3400 on eBay > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:55:53 -0600 > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > In the for what it's worth column: > > MicroVax 3400 on ebay > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1484&item=3409069554 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 32 > From: "Antonio Carlini" <arcarlini(a)iee.org> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: RE: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:29:13 -0000 > Organization: me@home > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > > Does anybody know, when Digital sent out (loaner) > > machines to comapnaies for testing products, was there a > > default username/password that they usually set? > > Maybe in the V5.1 timeframe, but I think even by then SYSTEM/MANAGER > and FIELD/FIELD had long gone! > > The OpenVMS FAQ seems to be here: > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/faq/vmsfaq_contents.html > > Your specific question is here: > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/faq/vmsfaq_contents.html > > In your case, > >>> B/1 > should get you into SYSGEN. > > Then > SYSGEN> SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN" > SYSGEN> SET UAFALT 1 > SYSGEN> SET WRITES 0 > SYSGEN> CONTINUE > should get you a quick boot into the alternate UAF. > As long as there is *no* alternate UAF (and many systems > don't have one) and no SYSUAF logical set during a minimum > boot (who knows ...) you should then be able to > log in as SYSTEM using any passwords *on the system console only*. > > Then you do: > $ SET DEF SYS$SYSTEM > $ SET PROC/PRIV=ALL > $ DEASS /SYS/EXE SYSUAF ! I forget if you need /EXE .. try both > if necessary > $ MC AUTHORIZE > UAF> MODIFY SYSTEM/NOPWDEXP/PASS=feefiefoefum > UAF> EXIT > and now reboot, this time letting it come up > normally. > > If there is an alternate UAF file, or SYSUAF gets set even on a > minimal boot, then you need to follow the procedure as specified > in the FAQ (but it's a tad trickier IMHO). > > Antonio > > -- > > --------------- > Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org > > --__--__-- > > Message: 33 > From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> > To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> > Subject: Fw: AdamComputer.com domains > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:16:32 -0600 > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > Question.... > > Was there a vintage computer called an "Adam"? I *THINK* I recall hearing > something about that name. If so, then the below email MAY be of interest to > someone. If there wasn't such a computer, then this email is SPAM and I > apologize for posting it here. > > Jay West > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dusty Fohs" <dusty(a)rumcakerecipe.com> > To: <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 11:01 AM > Subject: AdamComputer.com domains > > > Hello, > > > > We purchased the domain names AdamComputer.com & AdamComputers.com for a > project that we are no longer able to develop. > > > > Domains for sale are: > > > > www.AdamComputer.com > > www.AdamComputers.com > > > > I wanted to see if you have an interest or know of someone who could make > use of these domains. We are just looking to recoup what we paid for these > domains, as they no longer fall into our business plans. > > > > Let me know if you are interested or if you have any questions. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dusty > > dusty(a)rumcakerecipe.com > > --__--__-- > > Message: 34 > From: Bryan Pope <bpope(a)wordstock.com> > Subject: Re: Fw: AdamComputer.com domains > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:27:07 -0500 (est) > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > And thusly Jay West spake: > > > > Question.... > > > > Was there a vintage computer called an "Adam"? I *THINK* I recall hearing > > something about that name. If so, then the below email MAY be of interest to > > someone. If there wasn't such a computer, then this email is SPAM and I > > apologize for posting it here. > > The Coleco Adam? > > Cheers, > > Bryan > > --__--__-- > > Message: 35 > Subject: RE: AdamComputer.com domains > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:44:23 -0000 > From: "Adrian Vickers" <adrian.vickers(a)blue-edged.com> > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > > From: Jay West [mailto:jwest@classiccmp.org] > > > > Question.... > > > > Was there a vintage computer called an "Adam"? I *THINK* I > > recall hearing > > Indeed there was: The Coleco Adam. A Google search throws up a number of > links & pix. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 36 > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:54:53 -0500 > From: knightstalkerbob(a)netscape.net (Bob Mason) > To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: Fw: AdamComputer.com domains > Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > > Coleco Adam, two digital cassette drives, think it had a Z80, could run CP/M. Was also an add-on to the Coleco game console at the time, to turn it into an Adam as well. Don't remember time frame, mid eighties? > > "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> wrote: > > >Question.... > > > >Was there a vintage computer called an "Adam"? I *THINK* I recall hearing > >something about that name. If so, then the below email MAY be of interest to > >someone. If there wasn't such a computer, then this email is SPAM and I > >apologize for posting it here. > > > >Jay West > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Dusty Fohs" <dusty(a)rumcakerecipe.com> > >To: <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> > >Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 11:01 AM > >Subject: AdamComputer.com domains > > > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> We purchased the domain names AdamComputer.com & AdamComputers.com for a > >project that we are no longer able to develop. > >> > >> Domains for sale are: > >> > >> www.AdamComputer.com > >> www.AdamComputers.com > >> > >> I wanted to see if you have an interest or know of someone who could make > >use of these domains. We are just looking to recoup what we paid for these > >domains, as they no longer fall into our business plans. > >> > >> Let me know if you are interested or if you have any questions. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Dusty > >> dusty(a)rumcakerecipe.com > > > > -- > Bob Mason > > 2x Amiga 500's, GVP A530 (40mhz 68030/68882, 8meg Fast, SCSI), 1.3/3.1, 2meg Chip, full ECS chipset, EZ135, 1084S, big harddrives, 2.2xCD > Gateway Performance 500 Piece 'o Crap, 'ME, 384meg, 20Gig & 40Gig, flatbed. > Heathkit H-89A, 64K RAM, hard and soft-sectored floppies, SigmaSoft and Systems 256K RAM Drive/Print Spooler/Graphics board HDOS 2 & CP/M 2.2.03/2.2.04 > > __________________________________________________________________ > Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! > http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promos=380455 > > End of cctalk Digest

21 years, 3 months

The very first personal computers - How many are left?

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

I still have the Altair 8800 that my Dad bought for me when I was in high school. It was not very long before we realized how "special" it's role in history was. So, I suspect that the survival rate of these was relatively high. (Most of the lost ones were probably accidentally burned up by incompetent tinkerers :-) Of course the number of early 8800 models produced was not that high, and a good number of those were upgraded with "B" front panels and power supplies. (those original tiny switches are a real pain) -Rob -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Vintage Computer Festival Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 11:29 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: The very first personal computers - How many are left? On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, steve wrote: > here are my guesses.... > > --- The Design Fort DTP <design.fort(a)ns.sympatico.ca> > wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > One thing I was always interested in - and the > > visitors in my Computer > > Museum often want to know - is how many of the very > > first personal computers > > are still in existence. By first PCs I mean the > > following machines: > > Kenbak 1 > 10-20 There were only 40 made (interestingly in Brentwood, California, just 30 minutes north of where I live in Livermore). Here's a brief article: http://www.pretext.com/mar98/shorts/short3.htm I can stretch my imagination and believe that 10 may still be around, but certainly not 20. > > Altair 8800 > 500 (a,b,bt) Move it over one decimal place to the left. From what I know, about 50,000 Altair's of all models were produced. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

21 years, 3 months

T 08 (fwd)

by vcf＠siconic.com

Someone in France has a Thomson T08 to sell. The Google translation of the message is as follows: "I have one T O8 and wishes to demolish me, causes new computer at the house... If you are interested, to quote..." I think you get the general idea ;) Please reply to the original sender. Reply-to: triosalles(a)infonie.fr ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:43:19 -0000 From: TRIOSALLES <triosalles(a)infonie.fr> To: vcf(a)vintage.org Subject: T 08 Je poss?de un T O8 et souhaite m'en d?faire, cause nouvel ordinateur ? la maison...Si vous ?tes int?ress?, faire offre... Merci de votre attention, IS -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

21 years, 3 months

For sale/give away IMPORTANT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by joe_web＠worldonline.fr

hello, i send this message to all, because a have a little problem, all the message who i send to you private, comes always back... so, i want to know the price to shipping the swith to france. thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric J. Korpela" <korpela(a)ssl.berkeley.edu> To: "[Jo_l Weber]" <joe_web(a)worldonline.fr> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 5:41 PM Subject: Re: For sale/give away > [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > > hello, what do you want for the 4 port // auto data switch? the dell > > latitude? > > thanks > > You can have the parallel switch for the cost of shipping it. The dead > notebook was already snapped up. Sorry. > > Let me know where you want the data switch shipped, and I'll get it out on > friday. > > Eric

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