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Re: Recovering data from disks... (Jim Donoghue) 11. Re: Recovering data from disks... (Dwight K. Elvey) 12. Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 (Ethan Dicks) 13. Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (Geoff Roberts) 14. Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 (Patrick Finnegan) 15. Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (John Allain) 16. Re: RA-81 reliability (was Re: ebay bid on dec rack) (Huw Davies) 17. Re: Kleinstrechenautomat D4e (Doug Coward) 18. Identification of an old machine (Hills, Paul) 19. Re: Identification of an old machine (Hans B Pufal) 20. Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 (Dr. Ido) 21. Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (David Woyciesjes) 22. Re: Kleinstrechenautomat D4e (Vintage Computer Festival) 23. Re: Identification of an old machine (Vintage Computer Festival) 24. Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (David Woyciesjes) 25. Re: Identification of an old machine (John Allain) 26. Re: ebay bid on dec rack (John Allain) 27. Re: Kleinstrechenautomat D4e (Hans Franke) 28. Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (David Woyciesjes) 29. Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (David Woyciesjes) 30. Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (Ethan Dicks) 31. Microvax 3400 on eBay (Terry Freeman) 32. RE: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (Antonio Carlini) 33. Fw: AdamComputer.com domains (Jay West) 34. Re: Fw: AdamComputer.com domains (Bryan Pope) 35. RE: AdamComputer.com domains (Adrian Vickers) 36. RE: Fw: AdamComputer.com domains (Bob Mason) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "G Manuel" <gmanuel(a)gmconsulting.net> To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: RE: Helpful Identification Site Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:07:22 -0500 Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Sorry about that. Thank you for the welcome. I am from Philadelphia, PA. I mainly collect micros and early PC's although I have had an IBM System 34 in the past. Still have some parts around for it I think lol. I have been programming since '77 doing RPG on a IBM System 360. Currently I run my own consulting firm specializing in high end programmer training and custom app development. Greg -----Original Message----- From: cctech-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-admin@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 12:42 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Helpful Identification Site Hi Greg, Welcome to the list. Where are you from and what are your interest? Joe At 11:13 AM 3/26/03 -0500, you wrote: --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Steve Jones" <classiccmp(a)crash.com> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: No Rear View (was Re: Take Two or Nothing) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:57:41 -0500 Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Ethan Dicks wrote: . Darn. I was getting set to respond to this thread with the tale of borrowing a friend's camper version Microbus to haul home my "new" VAX-11/730 in late 1990. But that was just a single low-boy cabinet, and now I feel like a whiner... ;^) --Steve. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:07:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 From: "Eric Smith" <eric-nospam-638(a)brouhaha.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Joe wrote: Sounds like a VT220 or VT240 logic board. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Bernd Kopriva" <bernd(a)kopriva.de> To: "cctalk(a)classiccmp.org" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:17:34 +0100 Subject: Video Card for HP 9000/217 - was : HP-86B Monitor question Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org I will receive a HP 9000/217 within the next weeks ... ... there will be a 90204A video card included (or maybe a 98627A), but both of them will not work with a "Standard VGA multisync monitor" ... ... what card do you mean ? Is there a video card for my 9000/217, which can be used with a multisync VGA monitor ? Thanks Bernd Bernd Kopriva Phone: ++49-7195-179452 Weilerstr. 24 E-Mail: bernd(a)kopriva.de D-71397 Leutenbach Germany --__--__-- Message: 5 Subject: Recovering data from disks... From: Jim Donoghue <jim(a)smithy.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Date: 26 Mar 2003 15:06:05 -0500 Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org I have several 5 1/4" *hard-sectored* floppy disks. These are in some proprietary format, they are read by a controller that consists of a Z80 CPU, an EPROM, and some TTL chips. All this thing does is read the entire contents of the disk, outputting the data in parallel format over a ribbon cable. This is used to load CPU microcode into static RAMS. I want to be able to read the data from the disks, as I no longer have the controller/drive (or the mainframe it came from.) Any ideas? -- Jim Donoghue Smithy Co. (734) 913-6700 --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Peter Brown" <peterbrown10(a)hotmail.com> To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: HP 5451c terminal cable Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:44:16 +0000 Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Hi Glen and Joe, Thanks for your replies. I've had a closer look at the controller / computer / terminal connections. It seems to work something like this The 2648A terminal has a 13260A card that is connected via a short hooded edge connector and cable to a longer hooded edge connector on the rear of the 'controller' box. The controller box is then connected via another cable (that I have) to a 12531 card the HP 1000 computer. The long hooded connector on the controller has the same number of contacts as the 12531 card in the computer - so I would assume that it is just replicating the contacts in the computer. The controller box has a number of short-cut keys for various functions that the system can perform so I would guess that the controller can inject characters into the connection between the terminal and the computer. My memory is that all the funcions have two character shortcuts that can be typed in at the terminal and I notice a couple of cards with diode matricies in the controller. There is a diode array for each key consisting of up to 16 diodes - 2 lots of eight bit ascii - maybe. Anyhow, Glen it looks as though your cable detective work is correct. The cable is a 13232B p/n 02640-60058 for connecting the 2648A to a 12531 interface. Joe can you please have a fish around and see if you have the right cable + we can work something out. If not then I'll have to take the build-it-yourself approach. Many thanks to you both. Peter Brown _________________________________________________________________ Surf together with new Shared Browsing http://join.msn.com/?page=features/browse&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=74&a… --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:00:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org cc: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Recovering data from disks... Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org On 26 Mar 2003, Jim Donoghue wrote: Is there a brand name? (Somebody else might HAVE one) Otherwise,the drive is almost certainly not a problem, and you can probably use an "industry standard" drive, such as a TM100-2. But you will need a controller that can handle hard sectored diskettes. Depending on the specs of the format (which you haven't tod us), it MIGHT be readable with Northstar hardware, or it MIGHT be readable with Vector Graphic hardware, etc. OR, you could build an appropriate controller for a PC. -- Fred Cisin cisin(a)xenosoft.com XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:48:56 -0700 From: Kevin Handy <kth(a)srv.net> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Eric Smith wrote: >Joe wrote: >>It has no card edge connectors like a >>Q-bus or Unibus card but does have a metal plate with connectors >>along one side. The plate has a BNC, DB-9M, DB-15M, DB-25M, RJ >>(something) and an eight pin Molex connecotr on it. The board has a >>NEC 7220 graphics IC, an AMD 8085 CPU and several LSICs with DEC >>copywrites on it. >> >> >Sounds like a VT220 or VT240 logic board. Possibly a GIGI with all those connectors on it. --__--__-- Message: 9 Subject: Re: ebay bid on dec rack To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:28:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, Jay West wrote: > > FYI - I'm likely going to be bidding on the DEC "3 high" rack on Ebay that > > includes an RA81. The RA81 is missing the HDA, and I have no need for it, > > I just want the rack as it's the right height to mate to my 11/44X. If > > anyone wants the RA81-HDA, let me know before it gets skipped. > :-) Of my 12 RA81s, 10 or so have Post-it notes saying "Bad HDA". I'm > starting to see a pattern here... If you look at the seller on eBay's auctions, you'll notice that he's pulled all the 'high demand' parts from everything that he's selling. In fact I don't think he's selling anything that's actually usable, unless like Jay you need a specific part of what he's selling. Zane --__--__-- Message: 10 Subject: Re: Recovering data from disks... From: Jim Donoghue <jim(a)smithy.com> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Date: 26 Mar 2003 16:31:34 -0500 Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org On Wed, 2003-03-26 at 16:00, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: > Is there a brand name? (Somebody else might HAVE one) The disks are 'CP4 CPU Microcode' disks for a Wang Laboratories' VS-90 minicomputer system. Their only purpose is to load microcode or diagnostic routines into the control memory on the CPU board. > Otherwise,the drive is almost certainly not a problem, and you can > probably use an "industry standard" drive, such as a TM100-2. > But you will need a controller that can handle hard sectored diskettes. > Depending on the specs of the format (which you haven't tod us), it MIGHT > be readable with Northstar hardware, or it MIGHT be readable with Vector > Graphic hardware, etc. I don't have, and cannot obtain, the specs of the format. What I do have is a disassembly of the Z80 code from the EPROM. From what I have read scanning old newsgroup postings, etc. today, I might be out of luck. There's a dealer of old Wang equipment in Ohio that has one of these, but they want a small fortune for it. I may have to abandon the idea of reading these disks until I can locate hardware from somewhere else, or the Wang dealer finally decides it's not worth keeping and scraps it out. -- Jim Donoghue Smithy Co. (734) 913-6700 --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:04:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com> Subject: Re: Recovering data from disks... To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >From: "Jim Donoghue" <jim(a)smithy.com> >I have several 5 1/4" *hard-sectored* floppy disks. These are in some >proprietary format, they are read by a controller that consists of a Z80 >CPU, an EPROM, and some TTL chips. All this thing does is read the >entire contents of the disk, outputting the data in parallel format over >a ribbon cable. This is used to load CPU microcode into static RAMS. >I want to be able to read the data from the disks, as I no longer have >the controller/drive (or the mainframe it came from.) >Any ideas? >-- >Jim Donoghue >Smithy Co. >(734) 913-6700 Hi Get something like an EZKIT-lite from Analog Devices. These are proto typing boards for their DSP chips. These processors are fast enough to bit bang the data from floppies. You use one of the digital input lines. Once you determine the encoding method, you can look for the directory area or what ever. Dwight --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:26:20 -0800 (PST) From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org --- Kevin Handy <kth(a)srv.net> wrote: > Eric Smith wrote: > >Joe wrote: > > > >>It has no card edge connectors... has a BNC, DB-9M, DB-15M, DB-25M, RJ > >>(something) and an eight pin Molex connecotr on it. The board has a > >>NEC 7220 graphics IC, an AMD 8085 CPU and several LSICs with DEC > >>copywrites on it. > >> > >Sounds like a VT220 or VT240 logic board. > > Possibly a GIGI with all those connectors on it. That's a good guess, especially with the 8085 on there (ISTR that's the CPU in a GIGI). -ethan --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:15:05 +1030 Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com> To: "CCTalk" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 3:13 AM Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga That looks more like a hardware issue. "Device Inactive" It's not the message I usually see if I try and boot off a non-system disk. Geoff in Oz --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:26:32 -0500 (EST) From: Patrick Finnegan <pat(a)purdueriots.com> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Ethan Dicks wrote: > --- Kevin Handy <kth(a)srv.net> wrote: > > Eric Smith wrote: > > > >Joe wrote: > > > > > > >>It has no card edge connectors... has a BNC, DB-9M, DB-15M, DB-25M, RJ > > >>(something) and an eight pin Molex connecotr on it. The board has a > > >>NEC 7220 graphics IC, an AMD 8085 CPU and several LSICs with DEC > > >>copywrites on it. > > >> > > >Sounds like a VT220 or VT240 logic board. > > > > Possibly a GIGI with all those connectors on it. > That's a good guess, especially with the 8085 on there (ISTR that's > the CPU in a GIGI). But it's not. A Gigi has an 8-pin molex, two DB-25M's and 4 BNC's on the back (I just took a look at mine to verify). Pat -- Purdue Universtiy ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www-rcd.cc.purdue.edu --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:10:32 -0500 Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_1622.html "Please check existing discussions of the "serpentine" nature of the Q-bus module configuration available here in Ask The Wizard such as topic (1149), ... This could well be a problem with the Q-bus configuration, with the disk controller (probably an RQDX3 series controller), with the disk connection,..." John A. --__--__-- Message: 16 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:49:43 +1100 From: Huw Davies <Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au> Subject: Re: RA-81 reliability (was Re: ebay bid on dec rack) To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org At 06:54 AM 26/03/2003 -0800, Ethan Dicks wrote: I can certainly confirm that there were significant problems with glue "migrating" onto the platters in RA81s. At the site I was working at in about 1982 we ordered two RA81s and suitable controller to augment our storage - we had an RM80 as system disk and two RM03s for user data - these were the good old days! These were some of the first RA81s delivered in Australia - I like to say that we had the first two RA81s in Australia along with about 10 of the next few shipments as well. It got to the stage where my Field Service engineer and I could replace an RA81 HDA in about 15 minutes. The most entertaining RA81 failure we had (glue induced failures excepted) was when the drive select switches on drive 1 failed. The controller detected duplicate IDs and spun _both_ RA81s down. Took a long while to work out why every time the second drive was powered up, the first would spin down.... Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au Melbourne | "If soccer was meant to be played in the Australia | air, the sky would be painted green" --__--__-- Message: 17 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 23:48:35 -0800 From: Doug Coward <mranalog(a)attbi.com> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Kleinstrechenautomat D4e Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Hans wrote: All of the following are electronic desktop personal computers used by engineers and mass produced before 1963. I have copies of magazine ads for these computers: Electronic Associates Inc. Model TR-48 April 1962 Electronic Associates Inc. Model TR-10 June 1960 Donner Scientific Co. Model 3500 April 1960 Donner Scientific Co. Model 3400 February 1960 Of course there is also the Heath EC-1 introduced in 1960 and the Heath ES-400 introduced in 1956. --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog ========================================= --__--__-- Message: 18 From: "Hills, Paul" <Paul.Hills(a)siemens.co.uk> To: "'cctalk(a)classiccmp.org'" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Identification of an old machine Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:59:56 -0000 Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org This is going to be rather difficult I think. In 1977 when I first went to high school, we had a visiting computer science teacher (the school didn't own it's own computer). He used to come in with a PET mostly, but one day he couldn't bring the PET so came in with this old machine which was roughly cubic, each side about 2 foot. On the front it had a wiring panel where you had to plug in patch leads, and a rotary dial like on old telephones which was used to dial the numbers in. I don't remember how it displayed its results. Being a first year student and never faced with a computer before I had no idea what to do with it, and so don't remember much about it. However, now I'm intrigued - what was that beast? Does anyone have any ideas? cheers, paul --__--__-- Message: 19 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:56:14 +0100 From: Hans B Pufal <hansp(a)aconit.org> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Identification of an old machine Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Hills, Paul wrote: Interesting, I presume from your email address that this was in the UK. The first thing that came to mind was the Wireless World computer, this was a construction project published in the Aug thru Dec 1967 issues of that magazine. (on my long list of things I to scan someday). The 'computer' had an 8 bit word and a 3 word memory and an accumulator. It could perform various arithemetic operations. The actual published articles do not show a telephone dial but ISTR some mention of extensions based on telephone equipment : dials and strowger switches. The size and propotions seem to fit, the published design had switches and lights on the front panel and no plug-board. Do you recollect if the machine was homebrewed or manufactured? -- hbp --__--__-- Message: 20 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:12:00 +1000 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org From: "Dr. Ido" <drido(a)optushome.com.au> Subject: Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org At 02:48 PM 3/26/03 -0700, you wrote: >Eric Smith wrote: >>Joe wrote: >> >> >>>It has no card edge connectors like a >>>Q-bus or Unibus card but does have a metal plate with connectors >>>along one side. The plate has a BNC, DB-9M, DB-15M, DB-25M, RJ >>>(something) and an eight pin Molex connecotr on it. The board has a >>>NEC 7220 graphics IC, an AMD 8085 CPU and several LSICs with DEC >>>copywrites on it. >>> >>> >> >>Sounds like a VT220 or VT240 logic board. >> >> >> >Possibly a GIGI with all those connectors on it. My GIGI has 4 BNC connectors and no RJ connectors. I'd say he has a VT240 board. --__--__-- Message: 21 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:26:25 -0500 From: David Woyciesjes <dwoyciesjes(a)comcast.net> Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org John Allain wrote: > Do you know that it had software? > It's easy to erase a whole drive when a company is not sure > which files are sensitive or not. > I don't know from my limited knowledge how to distinguish > from a good+empty drive and a bad drive. > Perhaps it requires additional diagnostics SW. > John A. Yeah, it did have software. They were testing keyboard and mice on it, so it must have a minimum GUI on there. And the people at CTI aren't the type to go deleting files, especially since at the time, they were under the impression that they would have to return the VAX... -- ---Dave Woyciesjes ---ICQ# 905818 --__--__-- Message: 22 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:37:02 -0800 (PST) From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Kleinstrechenautomat D4e Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Doug Coward wrote: > Hans wrote: These are all analog computers, of course. Hans was looking for digital computers. Berkeley's Simon could be considered (1951). http://www.widomaker.com/~cswiger/simon/ -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * --__--__-- Message: 23 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:38:40 -0800 (PST) From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Identification of an old machine Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Hans B Pufal wrote: Ooh. I'd love to get a copy of that. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * --__--__-- Message: 24 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:46:48 -0500 From: David Woyciesjes <dwoyciesjes(a)comcast.net> Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org John Allain wrote: > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_1622.html > "Please check existing discussions of the "serpentine" nature of the > Q-bus module configuration available here in Ask The Wizard such as > topic (1149), ... > This could well be a problem with the Q-bus configuration, with the > disk controller (probably an RQDX3 series controller), with the disk > connection,..." > John A. Well, after looking at that article, and topic 1149, it seems that I've created a small problem by moving only two of the boards over and not the rest, when I removed the M7602 QVSS video board. -- ---Dave Woyciesjes ---ICQ# 905818 --__--__-- Message: 25 From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Identification of an old machine Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:48:22 -0500 Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Here's a MiniVac 601 with its prominent spinning dial http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~hl/c.minivac601.html Here's the nearly cubic Heathkit EC-1 http://www.thocp.net/hardware/pictures/heathkit_analogue.jpg These two were about the most common, if not one of these, your professor's may have been a rare one. Of course they're all rara now. John A. --__--__-- Message: 26 From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: ebay bid on dec rack Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:04:35 -0500 Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Will comply. Similarly, if anybody wants to subdivide the 8 x RA92 rack with me that's fine. I only want 2 or 4 max, but let me know. John A. --__--__-- Message: 27 From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> Organization: SIEMENS AG To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:05:28 +0100 Subject: Re: Kleinstrechenautomat D4e Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org ES-400 ? Sounds somewhat familar :) Are you shure we are talking about the same? My question was about a digital free programmable desktop computer - all in onw, including I/O and so on. For the Analog part, East Germany had some realy impressive machines. We had a real nice one from the mid 60s at last years VCFe So, the hunt is still open. Gruss H. -- VCF Europa 4.0 am 03./04. Mai 2003 in Muenchen http://www.vcfe.org/ --__--__-- Message: 28 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:18:56 -0500 From: David Woyciesjes <dwoyciesjes(a)comcast.net> Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org David Woyciesjes wrote: > John Allain wrote: > > > > Loading system software > > > ?4C DEVINACT, DUA0 > > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_1622.html > > > "Please check existing discussions of the "serpentine" nature of the > > Q-bus module configuration available here in Ask The Wizard such as > > topic (1149), ... > > This could well be a problem with the Q-bus configuration, with the > > disk controller (probably an RQDX3 series controller), with the disk > > connection,..." > > > John A. > Well, after looking at that article, and topic 1149, it seems that I've > created a small problem by moving only two of the boards over and not > the rest, when I removed the M7602 QVSS video board. > -- Yep. That appears to be the answer. It's booting now VAX/VMS V5.1 Major id = 1 Minor id = 0. Now it's asking for the date and time, but for the life of me I can't seem to input a valid answer! Help!?! -- ---Dave Woyciesjes ---ICQ# 905818 --__--__-- Message: 29 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:03:05 -0500 From: David Woyciesjes <dwoyciesjes(a)comcast.net> Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org David Woyciesjes wrote: > Now it's asking for the date and time, but for the life of me I > can't seem to input a valid answer! Help!?! > -- Well, finally got that figured out. Now I have a call in to the former oweners, to find a username/password. Does anybody know, when Digital sent out (loaner) machines to comapnaies for testing products, was there a default username/password that they usually set? -- ---Dave Woyciesjes ---ICQ# 905818 --__--__-- Message: 30 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 07:26:33 -0800 (PST) From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org --- David Woyciesjes <dwoyciesjes(a)comcast.net> wrote: There are instructions in VMS FAQs (among other places) for how to get into a machine when you have free access to the console. There is some variation, but there are some cookbook instructions on how to do it. The canonical defaults are SYSTEM/MANAGER and FIELD/SERVICE. Some older machines might have SYSTEST/UETP. Any of these should have enough privs to let you twiddle the SYSUAF file (change passwords, add accounts, etc.) More recent versions of VMS will not allow you to take a default SYSTEM password, but you can change it back after the install is done. -ethan --__--__-- Message: 31 From: "Terry Freeman" <terryf(a)intersurf.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Microvax 3400 on eBay Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:55:53 -0600 Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org In the for what it's worth column: MicroVax 3400 on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1484&item=34… --__--__-- Message: 32 From: "Antonio Carlini" <arcarlini(a)iee.org> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: RE: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:29:13 -0000 Organization: me@home Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Maybe in the V5.1 timeframe, but I think even by then SYSTEM/MANAGER and FIELD/FIELD had long gone! The OpenVMS FAQ seems to be here: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/faq/vmsfaq_contents.html Your specific question is here: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/faq/vmsfaq_contents.html In your case, should get you into SYSGEN. Then SYSGEN> SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN" SYSGEN> SET UAFALT 1 SYSGEN> SET WRITES 0 SYSGEN> CONTINUE should get you a quick boot into the alternate UAF. As long as there is *no* alternate UAF (and many systems don't have one) and no SYSUAF logical set during a minimum boot (who knows ...) you should then be able to log in as SYSTEM using any passwords *on the system console only*. Then you do: $ SET DEF SYS$SYSTEM $ SET PROC/PRIV=ALL $ DEASS /SYS/EXE SYSUAF ! I forget if you need /EXE .. try both if necessary $ MC AUTHORIZE UAF> MODIFY SYSTEM/NOPWDEXP/PASS=feefiefoefum UAF> EXIT and now reboot, this time letting it come up normally. If there is an alternate UAF file, or SYSUAF gets set even on a minimal boot, then you need to follow the procedure as specified in the FAQ (but it's a tad trickier IMHO). Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org --__--__-- Message: 33 From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> To: <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Fw: AdamComputer.com domains Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:16:32 -0600 Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Question.... Was there a vintage computer called an "Adam"? I *THINK* I recall hearing something about that name. If so, then the below email MAY be of interest to someone. If there wasn't such a computer, then this email is SPAM and I apologize for posting it here. Jay West ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dusty Fohs" <dusty(a)rumcakerecipe.com> To: <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: AdamComputer.com domains > Hello, > We purchased the domain names AdamComputer.com & AdamComputers.com for a project that we are no longer able to develop. > Domains for sale are: > www.AdamComputer.com > www.AdamComputers.com > I wanted to see if you have an interest or know of someone who could make use of these domains. We are just looking to recoup what we paid for these domains, as they no longer fall into our business plans. > Let me know if you are interested or if you have any questions. > Thanks, > Dusty > dusty(a)rumcakerecipe.com --__--__-- Message: 34 From: Bryan Pope <bpope(a)wordstock.com> Subject: Re: Fw: AdamComputer.com domains To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:27:07 -0500 (est) Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org And thusly Jay West spake: > Question.... > Was there a vintage computer called an "Adam"? I *THINK* I recall hearing > something about that name. If so, then the below email MAY be of interest to > someone. If there wasn't such a computer, then this email is SPAM and I > apologize for posting it here. The Coleco Adam? Cheers, Bryan --__--__-- Message: 35 Subject: RE: AdamComputer.com domains Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:44:23 -0000 From: "Adrian Vickers" <adrian.vickers(a)blue-edged.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > From: Jay West [mailto:jwest@classiccmp.org] > Question.... > Was there a vintage computer called an "Adam"? I *THINK* I > recall hearing Indeed there was: The Coleco Adam. A Google search throws up a number of links & pix. --__--__-- Message: 36 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:54:53 -0500 From: knightstalkerbob(a)netscape.net (Bob Mason) To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Fw: AdamComputer.com domains Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Coleco Adam, two digital cassette drives, think it had a Z80, could run CP/M. Was also an add-on to the Coleco game console at the time, to turn it into an Adam as well. Don't remember time frame, mid eighties? "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> wrote: >Question.... >Was there a vintage computer called an "Adam"? I *THINK* I recall hearing >something about that name. If so, then the below email MAY be of interest to >someone. If there wasn't such a computer, then this email is SPAM and I >apologize for posting it here. >Jay West >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dusty Fohs" <dusty(a)rumcakerecipe.com> >To: <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 11:01 AM >Subject: AdamComputer.com domains >> Hello, >> >> We purchased the domain names AdamComputer.com & AdamComputers.com for a >project that we are no longer able to develop. >> >> Domains for sale are: >> >> www.AdamComputer.com >> www.AdamComputers.com >> >> I wanted to see if you have an interest or know of someone who could make >use of these domains. We are just looking to recoup what we paid for these >domains, as they no longer fall into our business plans. >> >> Let me know if you are interested or if you have any questions. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dusty >> dusty(a)rumcakerecipe.com -- Bob Mason 2x Amiga 500's, GVP A530 (40mhz 68030/68882, 8meg Fast, SCSI), 1.3/3.1, 2meg Chip, full ECS chipset, EZ135, 1084S, big harddrives, 2.2xCD Gateway Performance 500 Piece 'o Crap, 'ME, 384meg, 20Gig & 40Gig, flatbed. Heathkit H-89A, 64K RAM, hard and soft-sectored floppies, SigmaSoft and Systems 256K RAM Drive/Print Spooler/Graphics board HDOS 2 & CP/M 2.2.03/2.2.04 __________________________________________________________________ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promos=380455 End of cctalk Digest