test-drb November 2003

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Documentation for AppleSoft & command hook?

by vcf＠siconic.com

I'm looking for documentation that explains how to actually use the & (ampersand) command hook in AppleSoft BASIC. Apparently this was documented in 1980 by some documentation Apple released at that time. BTW, here's a nice disassembly of AppleSoft BASIC: http://cosmicwolf.com/AppleII/AppleSoft_Commented.htm -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

20 years, 4 months

Looking for info on ' Datashiled at-800'

by va3rzs＠rac.ca

Hello to the group ! I have a pair of data shield at-800's I was wondering if there is a voltage adjust on them .. the batts get down to about 19 volts then the UPS dies I am only getting a run time of aprox 20 min . off this unit .. I had a 'good ole' ups and she would run under full load for 45 min with smaller batts .. Looking for any and all info .. Thanks Rick Szajkowski VA3 RZS Charlotte Darby VA3 CMR Node Owners of IRLP Node 2120 Lakefield Ont Canada

20 years, 4 months

BASIC games -- was Re: HP 2000 BASIC help / TREK73

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 27, 22:12, Kelly Fergason wrote: > Pete Turnbull wrote: > >Did you find it? Yes, it's two programs, which I found on Al Kossow's > >image of the HP library tape. I've been putting together a web page > >about BASIC games I've found interesting -- I ran out of time so > >there's not much there yet, but I extracted TRADER and TRADES (thanks > >to Eric Smith, whose tsbextract and tsbdecode programs I adapted). > Those are it... Cool. I see some time-wasting ahead for me, as if I > had that much time to waste... > > Ok, next one. Another trek game, but more interactive. I believe it > was basically a battle, ie. a Klingon > showed up, and you talked until someone started shooting. It was more > like the adventure games that > came later, 'fire phasers', etc. The source was protected, so you could > not list it, and figure out how to win. > > Anyone remember that one? Not offhand, though it sounds vaguely like a few other games. Was it written in BASIC? What system(s) did it run on? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

20 years, 4 months

Interesting Find

by marvin＠rain.org

Today at TRW turned out to be rather interesting. A friend of mine was selling some stuff that included a funny module that didn't sell and I ended up with it. Turns out that it is an Amplifier Module (red/green front) for the Electronic Associates TR-10 Desktop Analog computer. Doug Coward has a picture of the computer on his site at http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog/eai.htm.

20 years, 4 months

On Topic? Looking for opinions...

by john＠boff-net.dhs.org

Let's see if this goes through, last two didn't... Now I know this falls under the 10 year category except for the video card and SCSI card: I'm slapping together (finally) a P200 (not even MMX) Linux box with a classic AMD 10Mbit PCI NIC (Sridhar got me hooked on 'em and they certainly are tanks), an old AT motherboard with most likely a serial mouse to keep it as classic as possible and a 250 watt p/s. Running the beast will be an old 2GB IDE Maxtor I dug up, an old 4x IDE CD-ROM (Toshiba?) and then 2 Seagate 4/4.5GB half-height drives I have laying around, attached to a Diamond Fireport 20/40 (non-ultra). For video, it'll have a PCI Jaton TNT2m64 32MB so I can at least get decent color when I'm messing with some of the graphical stuff. I'll be using a 14 year old (still works fine) clickity Ultra 2000 AT keyboard with the beast. Oh, sound will be one of the original full length Creative Sound Blaster 16's with Daughter Card (dated 1990?). The big question is: should I go with Slackware or GenToo Linux as my OS? This unit will be doing a little web serving and will become my email server since friend's server is unreliable lately (Win2k on a college dorm network - obviously off when it goes home with the guy at breaks). I know some are suggesting NetBSD, but I'm looking to make this thing easy enough so my gf can tinker with it and get converted from her eeewh, XP OS, while making it not so much of a chore to do a basic config and get serving up and running. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Oh, also, I may be tossing in dual PCI 16/4 Madge/IBM Token Ring NICs to a Bay Networks 504 unit with Fiber ports and NMM just for ha-ha's and something to hobby with in the future. I also have a 3COM 12 port RJ45 Token unit, a DCA Microchannel/ISA Token card? (unable to find details on) and the old IBM 8228 MAU with a lot of 6ft Vampire to DB9's if anyone's looking for one, shipping and it's yours (I remember someone on the list was looking a few months back, but I forget who) -John Boffemmyer IV PS: "A Linux box isn't a Linux box until you get it serving to the Internet >from something that is barely big enough to have the Ethernet line plugged into it." - I rather like that quote, you'll never see Windoze doing that. Whoever had recently said that should suggest it to Linus T. =)

20 years, 4 months

Formatting and verifying MFM hard disks

by ian_primus＠yahoo.com

As I have been sorting and cleaning over Thanksgiving, I decided that I would build up an extra PC clone for the sole purpose of formatting and verifying various types of media, such as SCSI, IDE, and MFM hard drives and 3 1/2 and 5 1/4 floppies. I originally planned on just tossing an MFM card and SCSI card into an older AMD K6-2 233, and installing two floppy drives. But, as I got started, I remembered how the old MFM drive controllers worked, and how they kinda take over the boot process. Also, since MFM drives need to be low level formatted for a specific controller before they can be high level formatted, I can't really just format them from Linux. I found a Seagate card that has a nice boot screen with a drive formatting utility, but it only handles eight different Seagate drives. I've got a couple of other old controllers, none of which have such a nice utility, and all of which prevent me from booting from CDROM (they intervene before the BIOS boots from a disk, and when the MFM card can't boot a hard drive, it tries floppy drives, but it doesn't see the CDROM, and won't return control of the boot process back to the PC's built in controllers) Also, in this process, I realized that I can't find my DOS disks! It's been a long time since I booted DOS, and an even longer time since I've messed with DOS on XT's, so I don't know where the disks are. What I think I need is a disk with DOS 3.x and debug. I remember having to use debug to invoke the built in formatting program on most hard drive controllers. Anyway, what I really want to do, is have a computer that would have an MFM card in it, and be able to work with any MFM drive. I'd also like to still be able to boot off an IDE hard drive or a CDROM, since I want to install Linux on an IDE drive on the motherboard's controller, and use that for high level formatting. I can probably work around that by having a Lilo bootdisk, and booting that first, then the system could continue booting from an IDE drive. But, if I did this, what is the best way to do low level formatting on MFM drives? Is there a way to invoke the card's internal formatter from Linux? It's been a while since I worked with this stuff, can anyone refresh my memory? Thanks! Ian Primus ian_primus(a)yahoo.com

20 years, 4 months

VMS .iso image for SimH?

by gtoal＠gtoal.com

After a long wait I have finally got membership of Encompass and have requested and received an OpenVMS licence for SimH (I entered serial no #1, hope that'll work! - leaving the field blank was rejected) I thought that once I had the licence, and simh built and installed on a dedicated machine, that it would be easy to download a .iso image and get started. No such luck! From what I can tell the only way to get the VMS code is to buy the $30 CD? Is it permissible to get a copy of the .iso from someone who has it, since I'm now licensed, or is an original CD a requirement (legally I mean, not technically). If it's OK to download a .iso from someone, could anyone here who has one online and a suitably high bandwidth connection please point me at a copy? I'm desperate to get started! :-) By the way, to the person who asked about where to get online to a real VMS - the Deathrow Cluster has both an Alpha and a Vax and they're real nice & helpful guys: http://deathrow.vistech.net/ About a month ago I installed Edinburgh's Imp77 compiler on their Vax, which is the first time that compiler has been run in many years! - it wasn't possible to 'vest' the binary on the University's Alpha which was the only VMS I had access to initially... Graham

20 years, 4 months

Woohoo! Another DEC score!

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I'm the proud new owner of a PDP-11/45! Woohoo! It's even purported to be working. Comes in a DEC rack with power supplies, and a whole bunch of what looks to be DEC A/D stuff (which I have no interest in and is already spoken for by another listmember). God I love the look of those triangular front panel switches! Just have to arrange going and picking the thing up. It is in central eastern TN. In the event I can't make it down there before the pickup deadline (roughly 30 days), is there a listmember in that area that might pick it up for me and hold it a bit longer if that becomes necessary? There's no drives, the rack is mostly empty cept for the cpu. The A/D stuff is very light, mostly just a couple panels and wires. I really never thought I'd find one of these "in the wild" these days :) Jay West --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

20 years, 4 months

Hummer / Asteroids TV commercial

by kd7bcy＠teleport.com

>>Just how will we get the young people into older stuff, be they cars or computers? Hey, I'm one of them. I'm 23 now, I've been heavy into computers since I was about 14, been going after classics since I was about 17, worked in the computer lab of the local science museum(www.omsi.edu) for a year and a half around that time, got my ham license at 18... And the whole time I've been mostly surrounded by old farts. Rather depressing sometimes. There's a big problem getting younger people into ham radio, too... Hell, getting ANYONE. The old people just get grouchier and rarely teach the others(I'm glad I know a few exceptions to that), then they die and no one knows anything that isn't spelled out to them in 3rd grade(and we all know no one learns anything after that). -JR

20 years, 4 months

LGP-21 (and LGP-30) software

by tomj＠wps.com

[oops, mail lost in a Draft folder for a week or so... my apologies if this is duplicated.] I just added a bunch of LGP-30 software to my website (http://wps.com/LGP-21) including the Subroutine Manual I got >from Bob Lilley, as well as the Notes from a college programming course he taught in the early 1960's. The Subroutine Manual for the '30 is a goldmine, as it contains the bootstrap and all the input routines. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION

20 years, 4 months

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test-drb November 2003