test-drb April 2002

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 19, William Donzelli wrote: > > The do indeed classify the S/390 as a mainframe...because, well, > > that's what it is. :-) > > Not any more - they are all "servers". xSeries, iSeries, pSeries, and > zSeries (the z's being the S/390 followups). Umm, I have to disagree with you there...the machines in question are indeed of a mainframe architecture, and some IBMers were calling them "servers" many years before the zSeries was even an itch in IBM's pants. Regardless of what industry buzzwords the marketroids are trying to take advantage of...those machines implement the S/390 architecture, which is a mainframe architecture descended from mainframe architectures. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

24 years, 1 month

classiccmp-digest V1 #927

by foxnhare＠bigvalley.net

> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:28:35 -0700 (PDT) > From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu> > Subject: Dayna EtherPrint-T and AppleShare > > Will a Dayna EtherPrint-T work for connecting, say, a LocalTalk Mac into an > EtherTalk network, or does it only work for printers? In other words, is it > a true LocalTalk-to-EtherTalk bridge? I don't think the Mac supports encoding/decoding TCP/IP packets via localtalk. From what I understand Ethertalk (what mac compatible printers talk on ethernet) is essentially localtalk wrapped with an ethernet packet. :-/ TCP/ip is a different protocol on the same computer and that is only supported through PPP(remote access) and ethernet. Larry -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-14.4k bps Set your 8-bit C= rigs to sail for http://www.portcommodore.com/ 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011

24 years, 1 month

Apple-1 Auction conclusion

by mythtech＠mac.com

>I don't care whether these things sell for a million each. It still won't >make me want one. Good one less person to take one away from me :-) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 1 month

Apple-1 Auction conclusion

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Btw- Did the winner bid against himself? He had the winning bid of $14K, >but he had an earlier bid (the 2nd highest one) in the 12.5K which look >like should have won the auction. Probably because of the reserve price (I didn't watch the auction, but Sellam did make a quick mention of the $14k being right at the reserve) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

24 years, 1 month

What a weekend!

by rachael_＠gmx.net

Hi I have just return home from a Good weekend, bringing the following parts with me home :) VaxStation 4000vlc Commodore Sx64 3x Commodore A2088 pc cards Commdore A2500 memory board for A2000A Commdore A2058 memory board GVP Gforce 040 acc. card for A2000 Supra scsi interface Kupke scsi interface 2x a1200 boards a cdtv mother board 3x Xircom parallel port ethernet adaptors a ASK lcd display for overhead projectors a HP Remote bridge RB 28674B ( have no idee what it is) 6 joysticks and some mouse/joystick auto switches Microsoft windows (c) 1987 Chameleon NFS Xvision X server for windows A isa tvcard a 8ports serial isa card a sbc 286 and a 586 pc and passiv backplate for them Xeno link bbs for amiga Lemmings tribes for amiga virtual carting2 for amiga a com21 cable modem We had only planed for the first two thing, but we found some extras. Atlast I have my first Vax, but now I have so many other new things that I wont have time to play with it the first couple of weeks. Regards Jacob Dahl Pind -- CBM, Amiga,Vintage hardware collector Email: Rachael_(a)gmx.net url: http://rachael.dyndns.org

24 years, 1 month

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 21, Sridhar the POWERful wrote: > > I've done it for twenty years. Most of the stuff I've written runs > > on 20+ different operating systems...it doesn't run under Windows, but > > that's irrelevant, because it's one proprietary, non-standards- > > compliant platform that most people in my industry don't use. (See > > comments about "our own worlds" above) > > I'll bet your software will compile and run fine under Windows using > Cygnus's stuff. This is likely...it's an impressive piece of work. Though I can't help but wonder...why not just use a real OS in the first place? It's treating the symptom, not the problem. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

24 years, 1 month

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 21, Richard Erlacher wrote: > Well, when I want groceries, I go to the grocery store, and when I want > computer hardware I go to the computer store ... When I want software to do > what I want my computer to do, I have to go where they sell it. ...and if you take that route, you'll get what you're looking for. Commercial software. If you're fine with that, more power to you. > EMACS isn't particularly useful tool for everyday word-processing, either, > though it certainly can do it. I have a "friendlified" EMACS (really a > DOS-based EMACS-in-a-shell) that works pretty well for lots of things for > which one normally would have used EMACS for want of another capable tool. > Nowadays, I can do all that simple stuff in WORD, like hundreds of millions of > others. Of course Emacs isn't good at word processing, because it's a text editor. It's also not very good at schematic capture, for the same reason. ;) > I've gotten software gratis all my life. Even the Microsoft products I have > were all originally provided, gratis, from Microsoft. I've never been offered > a single bit of UNIX software, ever, by any Unix software vendor. They even > charge for providing stuff that they claim to give you for free, and then, > when it doesn't work as advertised, which it seldom does if it works at all, > they charge you to make it work, which often costs plenty and results in > nothing. You're missing the whole point. "UNIX software vendor". Mainstream software in the UNIX world is FREE. It's the commercial stuff that's the oddball in this world. > I'm not sure what you mean by "network server." I've used a PC I mean it in the most general of ways. > as a server right here in the house for over a decade. There's not You trust your data to a PC? Well, that's your risk, not mine. ;) > one non-PC machine in my ISP POP either. There's a mix of OS' in- > cluding LINUX and UNIX, but it's the most generally provisioned > "small" ISP in the area and has a reputation for fewer breakdowns > and fewer busy signals on dialups than any other ISP, including the > muti-billion-dollar guys like AOL, MSN, and Qwest. I'd say that's pretty unusual...and having been in the thick of the ISP industry from its beginning, I feel I can say that with some authority. More power to them, even if they do make...questionable choices. And before you take exception to that...if I were to describe to you a commercial construction firm that made nice buildings and had a good reputation, but they used Volkswagen Beetles to haul their lumber and cinderblocks and radio-controlled tanks to do their welding and riveting, wouldn't you have something to say about that? > The first thing I'd ask about "writing the software portably" would be, > "Who's going to do that, and whom are we serving by doing that?" > The few dozen folks in my market area, worldwide, who'd prefer to > use UNIX might like it, but would they send any dough our way? > Probably not ... Is your work THAT unusual? I'm now VERY curious to know what you do. EVERYONE I know personally who does electronic design work (save for maybe two) uses some UNIX variant to do it, except for FPGA stuff we discussed earlier. That constitutes about twenty people. I think this very clearly proves the point that we tend to see the stuff in "our own worlds" very clearly, but the stuff *outside* our own areas of experience seem very distant or even nonexistant. In my world, Winodws and PeeCee hardware is weird, overpriced, proprietary stuff that's difficult to find and not very widely used. Everyone...and I mean EVERYONE in my peer group runs UNIX of one sort or another. A few have these esoteric Windows boxes for playing video games, but not many. That said, I respect the fact that your experience differs from mine, and that you have a different point of view...and because of this, I read your comments with interest, and learn from them. > Secondly, I have serious doubts that there's a way to write software > that is both portable and fully functional in all cases. There are > limitations, I'm sure, and the devil's in the details. I've done it for twenty years. Most of the stuff I've written runs on 20+ different operating systems...it doesn't run under Windows, but that's irrelevant, because it's one proprietary, non-standards-compliant platform that most people in my industry don't use. (See comments about "our own worlds" above) > > Linux is a mess no matter how you slice it, mostly thrown together by > > script kiddies with no experience whatsoever...it's a bad idea to > > judge the entire UNIX world on the cleanliness (or lack thereof) of > > Linux, because as even the Linux people are fond of pointing out, > > Linux isn't UNIX. > > > That's probably true, but it's the only realistically inexpensive route > into the UNIX world for one starting out or starting over. NetBSD/FreeBSD/OpenBSD, or about twenty different packaged distributions ("distros" for the kiddies) of Linux. All free, most of mission-critical quality. > Last time I checked, the add-on required to extend the file system > for UNIXWARE (? maybe one of the others) to larger than 2GB cost > $2K per instance. ...and the people who buy UNIXWARE get what they deserve...screwed. Support for >2GB filesystems has been standard equipment in modern free operating systems for something like eight years. What is their excuse? > > I'm not trying to be argumentative with you, and I respect your > > experience...please understand that I'm trying to point out that the > > world of computers is very different from the world of Windows > > computers...things are, well, just done differently. > > Different, is certainly the case. Better, well, the market thinks otherwise. Do you honestly think software development for pure profit, where quality suffers to enhance margins, bugs rarely get fixed, and developments in technology are largely ignored, where programmers write the bare minimum to get their paychecks and leave by 5pm, is "better" just because the suits of the world buy anything that Microsoft tries to sell them? "Better" is paying through the nose for products versus getting better stuff for free? I'll tell you what...YOU pay attention to the "market" and do what the suits tell you to do...I have work to do, and I'm going to use the best tools available...regardless of what the "market" thinks I should use. If any computer on your home network has EVER crashed, lost data, munged something, or behaved unpredictably for anything other than an age- or ac-power-related hardware failure, then my point has already been made for me. And I really, truly hope I've misinterpreted you. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

24 years, 1 month

OT: Writing floppies on PC; Was Re: Guys take a look

by blacklord＠telstra.com

Hi Zane, > V1.3 to > V3.0, and one thing I always loved was how I could be formatting > both 3.5" > and 5.25" floppies while I was editing a document and dialed into > a BBS. I can still remember formatting 4 floppies at once on my Amiga 1000, slight slowdown, but not too bad :-) cheers, Lance ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

24 years, 1 month

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 21, Ben Franchuk wrote: > > There is a demo version of nearly every high-cost ($2000 isn't that high, btw, > > though the Windows environment has made it so.) Get a comparable product for > > UNIX, and you'll get no improvement, nor will you get source. All you'll get > > is a bigger bill. > > LINUX != UNIX. ( But you are right ) What does that have to do with it? -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

24 years, 1 month

Network Hub selection help needed

by fernande＠internet1.net

I'm finally going to work on hooking up a home network, so I guess I need a hub. What should I look for? I don't know much about networks yet. I have potentially 7 computers that I'd like to have connected. It'll need to be 10Base-T, but 100base-T may be involved too. I thought I'd look for something on Ebay, hopefully, not too expensive. Maybe something commercial grade, However. I thought about something from IBM or 3Com, any suggestions?? Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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test-drb April 2002