test-drb April 2002

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by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> I would also guess that older versions of AppleShare Server might have a > MacIP router built in. Apple must have offered a solution for it, I can't > believe they would provide all the client end tools and not have some way > of unwrapping it other than depending on a 3rd party program (which is > the only app I have seen that does it, but I am sure there must be > others). I can't recall if AppleShare IP 5.0 includes MacIP routing or not, but Apple bundled a product with it called Vicom Internet Gateway, which did/does include MacIP routing. -dq -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

22 years, 8 months

Bad Classic Operating Systems (was: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers)

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> Many would put OS/360 in that category. > > Some CDC 6600 OSs (I think NOS, maybe others) have permanent and > temporary files. If your batch job ends and you haven't made your > temporary files permanent, they will be gone. This unintuitive feature > persisted after CDC added an interactive terminal interface to the > underlying batch functionality. You could call that dangerous to data > (and I wouldn't disagree with you). > > I hope I haven't messed up those facts... someone will > probably correct me if I have. Doug Q.? NOS 1 followed Kronos by providing the TELEX subsystem for interactive use. TELEX provided an environment modeled a lot after the ones found inside BASIC interpreters, namely, you issue commands like OLD, NEW, RUN, etc... In fact, that was TELEX's primary purpose in life. It also provided a "batch" mode where you would simply type control- cards one at a time. But most everyone use the interactive modes. As to the file modes being counterintutive, they're really not, once you hold you head the right way... Just as in DEC-10 or other BASICs, if you typed NEW, a LOCAL file was created. Anythying you typed following a line number because part of the local file's contents. Of course, if you type a program in, and didn't type SAVE prior to logout, the file would be lost because you hadn't made it into a permanent file (PFILE). But as I say, this was the same was most BASIC interpreter environments worked,,, -dq

22 years, 8 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 22, Raymond Moyers wrote: > I bet perl becomes bigtime on mainframes This frightens me. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

22 years, 8 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 22, Richard Erlacher wrote: > Why would anyone outside the UNIX/APPLE world care about postscript files? > That was once a popular format, but things change. Uhh, what? What color is the sky in your world, Dick? Postscript is The Way Things Are Done for high-end output. Even on PeeCees. Let me guess...you're saying this because YOU don't have a Postscript printer. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

22 years, 8 months

duh

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Ignore that. It's late. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

22 years, 8 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 22, Raymond Moyers wrote: > Things have been happening out here, we have had this > factor called "progress",, there has been advancement ! Oh Christ. Yes, progress...with Perl...to completely unreadable, unmaintainable, unbearably slow code. No, thanks. I'll also pass on the flame war...I've already been trolled enough for one night. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

22 years, 8 months

Network Hub selection help needed

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 22, 1:12, Doc wrote: > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Chad Fernandez wrote: > > > By commercial grade I just meant that I wanted to avoid the home grade > > stuff that may not have features, or only a few connections. The type > > of thing that Best Buy, Staples, or another cunsumer oriented store may > > carry for your average Windows user. > > Amazingly, the home grade stuff that's on the shelves lately really is > plenty for a home net. The features it doesn't have are next to useless > on a network with fewer than 25 nodes. > Stay away from the firewall appliances though. They're notoriously > easy to get through. Agreed on both counts. > > What's the difference between managed and unmanaged? > > A serial port, a password, and several decimal points. That's about it :-) > Seriously, a managed switch allows you to define which nodes can "go" > where, force connection parameters - 10Mb or 100, full-duplex or half - > keep transfer statistics, etc. A really good one will cost over a > grand. Like I said, I have one, and I prefer my little $70 NetGear > 10/100 auto-sensing switch. Unless you're really into networks for their own sake, or have a big enough one that you need to monitor and manage it remotely, plug-in-and-go is better. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 8 months

suggestions on BBC Micro, voltage converter, PAL monitor (in US)?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 21, 22:05, Derek Peschel wrote: > It has been my mission for some time to bring a BBC Micro back from > England. I would need some way to adapt British plugs to US sockets > and convert the voltage, and I would also need a PAL monitor. (No, I > don't want black-and-white NTSC. Yes, I could bring a montior back from > England along with the computer. I'm not sure if I want to do that.) Some of the Beeb PSUs have a jumper to change from 220/240V to 110/120. You probably don't want a PAL monitor, but you probably do want an RGB one that can handle 625 lines (15.something kHz horizontal and 50Hz vertical). > Does anyone have experience with these things? I am hoping to save > money ($500 would be above the top of my price range) but I don't want > to fry anything either. > > Oh yes, and if anyone has an extra Beeb hanging around that would be > nice too. They're not uncommon here. I bet one of us Brits could find one cheaply for you, if we knew when you were coming over and where you'd be. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 8 months

Network Hub selection help needed

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 22, 1:21, Chad Fernandez wrote: > By commercial grade I just meant that I wanted to avoid the home grade > stuff that may not have features, or only a few connections. The type > of thing that Best Buy, Staples, or another cunsumer oriented store may > carry for your average Windows user. Ah, well there aren't all that many features to distinguish a dumb hub (or switch) from another dumb hub (or switch). Number of ports, whether it supports autosensing 10/100, internal or external PSU, noise level (ones with internal PSUs often have a fan), colour of the box, and that's about it. Some low-end devices are more reliable than others, of course. > > If you see a decent modern 3Com hub or switch, that's fine but most of the > > second-hand stuff I've seen is 10baseT only. I wouldn't bother looking for > > IBM. Baystack, 3Com, HP, Cisco are the ones you're likely to see. And > > Netgear, which is almost entirely unmanaged kit, but quite good quality. > > > > What's the difference between managed and unmanaged? Unmanaged means a dumb device that has no configuration settings, provides no stats, and has no address of its own. A managed hub or switch will have it's own IP (and/or IPX address, rarely DECnet or Appletalk) and will usually support SNMP (the Simple Network Management Protocol) and/or some kind of web interface. That will allow remote configuration of things like IP address, spanning tree settings (if it's a switch), port settings (enabled or not, half/full/auto/duplex, 10/100/auto, etc), VLANs (if it's a modern switch), and monitoring and interrogation of internal data (byte/packet/collision/error counts on ports, port state, MAC address(es) last seen on each port). The management costs a lot extra. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 8 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Oh, ok. It's late. :) -Dave On April 22, Richard Erlacher wrote: > That's my point, Dave! > > Dick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave McGuire" <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 12:03 AM > Subject: Re: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format) > > > > On April 21, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > > Friendlier OS' (e.g. Windows) have equivalent tools that are less onerous > in > > > the demands they place on the user. Just ask the typical programmer what > a > > > "regular expression" is. Better yet, give him a task requiring the use of > > > > Umm, a programmer that doesn't know what a regular expression is, is > > no programmer at all. > > > > Has Microsoft really steered us toward a future full of nontechnical > > computer programmers? > > > > -Dave > > > > -- > > Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." > > St. Petersburg, FL -Den > > > > > > -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

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test-drb April 2002