test-drb April 2002

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Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> For some time now, the gaming console market has been where the real > technological advances in consumer/PC computers have been made. Most PC > users in the business world could get along just fine with a '386 if the OS > and software weren't so bloated now. > > Bob (who is still trying in vain to get MS WinWord to behave and who uses a > WordStar clone on the HP palmtop he carries) The secret to making this work is pretty simple... you just need to drop back to Word for Windows 2.0... it's fast, stable, and even has VBA (albeit they called it WordBASIC back then). -dq

22 years, 8 months

Emulex "UC07/08 distribution panel

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

This has been taken... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash > ---------- > From: David Woyciesjes > > > > > Which reminds me. I have an Emulex "UC07/08 distribution panel" sitting on > my shelf here. Anybody want it? > > -- > --- David A Woyciesjes >

22 years, 8 months

Cenbtral Florida JunkFest

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Hi All, Eric is plannng on arriving here at about 5 PM on Thursday the 16th and leaving the next day to go to Jacksonville (he has a dinner date there that night). Therefore I'm planning on having the JunkFest on Friday morning. Glen has already aggreed that we can hold it at his store in west Orlando. I know it would be better if we could hold it on a weekend but it didn't work out. I was also thinking of trying to get everyone together and going out to dinner on Thursday evening. That would give us some time to chew the fat before the junkfest. I'm not planning on anything fancy, just someplace where we can all pile in and sit around and talk. Let me know what you think. Joe >Date: 20 Apr 2002 08:43:56 -0000 >From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> >To: Joe Rigdon <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >Subject: travel plans > >The plan has firmed up a bit. I expect to arrive in Orlando on Thursday >May 16 at 4:51 PM, on American Airlines flight 244 from Los Angeles. > >I'll depart for Jacksonville on Friday the 17th. It looks like I'll >either take a bus which departs Orlando at 3:30 PM, or a train that >departs Orlando at 3:53 PM. > >I'd like to figure out the travel and accomodation details. I hope you >won't think me too rude if I ask whether I might be able to sleep on the >floor at your place. I'll have an Aerobed with me. However, if that's >not convenient for you, don't feel pressured; just let me know of an >inexpensive motel nearby. > >Mapquest says that you're about 22 miles from the airport. Do you know >if there is any shuttle service that will get me to your place (or to the >motel)? > >If it's not too much trouble, could you please measure the outside >dimensions of the IBM 5100? I may be able to borrow a suitable transit >case, but I need to make sure it will fit. > >Best regards, >Eric >

22 years, 8 months

linux in 6gb

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Finnegan [mailto:pat@purdueriots.com] > For a more suitable install, I can easily install everything > I really use > (between X windows and a few apps, gaim for IM, kernel source so I can > recompile my kernel, gcc and related stuff) in 1G or less of space. I'll go with the "or less." I have personally put Linux, X11, GCC, a few apps, etc, along with a swap file (that worked very slowly) on 60MB of a 95MB zip disk. I'm sure I can do better, too... Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

22 years, 8 months

Windows 2 (Was: Re: "Windows V1.0)

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> Windows 2 was what they shipped so you could run Excel, which had grown > popular on the MacIntosh, on the PC/AT. That's where much of the prejudice > against "smartdrv" came from, since that first release didn't work very well. > I don't think there were many other app's for it. Windows 2.0 came to me bundled with my Microsoft Mouse (the Dove Bar version with the steel rollers). As far as apps, Micrografix Draw was somewhat popular; but you're right, there weren't many... -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

22 years, 8 months

Looking for documents of IMS - boards

by Fritz_Chwolka＠t-online.de

I got an help for some IMS board , hope that someone here have an answer >Subject: Thanks for files >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Just want to thank you for making the old manuals and image files available on http://oldcomputers.dyndns.org/public/ I found things here (like the IMS information) I have been hunting for years. I am still looking for documents etc for some other IMS S-100 boards dating from around 1980-84: - A862 Z80 CPU - A930 Floppy Controller - A821 Winchester Controller - A1100 Winchester Controller - A1021 64K RAM You don't by any chance have files for these, do you? :) Best wishes, Arlen Michaels arlen.michaels(a)sympatico.ca ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== Thank you @ classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org . I like this group. PLease answer only to arlen.michaels(a)sympatico.ca Thanks Greetings from Fritz Chwolka - Duisburg / collecting old computers just for fun at www.alterechner.de \

22 years, 8 months

open "dumpster" event in New Haven, CT

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

This is the whole list. The room has to be emptied _today_, so I can bring stuff home with me, if you want to get it later in the day. I'll try to take home any of the smaller unclaimed stuff to store. Again, everything is in unknown, untested condition; as-is. Let me know by around 5:00 pm eastern time... > ---------- > From: David Woyciesjes > > We're cleaning here, and got some stuff being tossed. > > Free, Come pick it up... > > 12 old modems - Gandalf LDS125 (?) > about 12 (?) dozen tape reels. 12" diameter. They're in 4 15" monitor > boxes... -1 box is probably taken... > 2 HP LaserJet IID, with duplex - Taken? > 1 HP LaserJet IIID, w/ duplex - taken? > some long comms(?) cables > Epson line printers > CSU/DSU > -- > And here's more stuff... 2 Topaz Powermaker UPSs 1, maybe 2 Datability Vista terminal servers 1, maybe 2 Delnis Digital DECRepeater 350 DeskJet 500 DeskJet Plus VT220 VT420 Radius 21" (?) monchrome monitor -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

22 years, 8 months

dec Lab Modules

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:22:21 -0400 (EDT) > From: Doug Salot <doug(a)blinkenlights.com> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: dec Lab Modules > In-Reply-To: <200204240417.g3O4HZQ23049(a)shell1.aracnet.com> > > I think he's asking about "laboratory modules" -- the *original* DEC > products from 1957 or so. You snapped the lab modules into a power > backplane (power supply was one of the "DEC Building Blocks") and > connected the logic elements via patch cords. > > The power pins aren't documented in my 1960 dec logic handbook, and they > don't seem to be documented in Bell's "Computer Engineering" either, so I > assume you need to find a "DEC Building Blocks" technical bulletin or > reverse engineer one of the lab modules -- this might help: > > http://www.ulib.org/webRoot/Books/Saving_Bell_Books/Computer_Engineering/00… I have here in my hands a 4-page "Specifications/Prices" sheet that is titled "DEC Digital Test Equipment" and covers the building blocks. But not in enough detail to determin pinouts. It is dated November 1958. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

22 years, 8 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 21, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > Most of the software in use in the UNIX world is free. Of course > > there ARE commercial packages, but...with very few exceptions, for > > every commercial package there's at least one free one that does the > > job as well or better. It's possible that I'm preaching to the choir > > here, but one of the common misconceptions that really bugs me is the > > notion that "unix == expensive", when in reality it's just the > > opposite. (The same goes for "pc vs. real computers" in the "I use a > > PC because I can't afford a Sun or an Alpha" case...) > > That's not been my experience. In fact, until LINUX, which I don't presently > use either, I had never seen any software of any use at all other than for > software development for UNIX. (This response is going to sound snotty, but I don't mean it that way) This is likely because you've not been looking in the right places, and have been (ahem) solidly mired in the world of commercial proprietary Windows stuff. > The EDA stuff I saw was not terribly useful, > but some folks managed to beat it into submission. I can't forget the There is a shortage in that area, but there are useful tools. I'm using some of them in another window right now...I'm designing a battery charger for a portable microcontroller-based system in one window and have a PCB layout tool ready to roll in another window. And I have the source code for all of it, even the operating system they're running under. And I paid $0 for the software and maybe $150 for the hardware. One can pay through the nose for functionality. One can even pay list price for all of one's hardware and buy it all brandie-new. It's just not very smart. ;) > tradeshow when I ruled out UNIX in my mind. A vendor had > essentially the same software for DOS and UNIX. The UNIX version > cost 50x what the DOS version cost, and the hardware also cost over > 10x the cost of an adequate PC. The two software packages "looked > and felt" as well as worked, indistinguishably once one was inside > the application. Oh, I don't doubt it for a second...but again you're speaking of commercial software. UNIX and commercial software don't get along very well, because commercial software goes very much against the whole UNIX thing. It's like using a PC as a network server...you *can* do it, but it won't work very well, it's not a very good idea, and you'll look like an idiot in the process. ;) > The FPGA/CPLD vendors would like to support everybody who's likely to use > their products. However, support is a problem under UNIX, since there are > numerous versions (I've had several) that lack compatibility. The size of the > market doesn't justify working up a freeware version for every UNIX version > though, so I think they're wise avoiding the expense. LINUX is getting some > support, though. Writing the software portably eliminates that problem completely. The world of Windows software development completely ignores portability. The common software in the UNIX world doesn't have a "version for every UNIX version". That's just not the way it works. > and, for the most part, the freeware is often better than the commercial > products. I've seen little "source-available" freeware that was very good, > however. The LINUX stuff is a good example. Much of the code sits, full of > ugly hacks and undocumented modifications, among comments relevant only to the > original code that was abandoned six or seven revisions back, though it's not > obvious. It's a wonder any of it works, but it seems it does. It's unlikely > there'll ever be UNIX/GNU freeware that's as useable as the comparable > DOS/Windows stuff, though, since what looks to be the case is that nobody > wants to document the UNIX/GNU freeware. Linux is a mess no matter how you slice it, mostly thrown together by script kiddies with no experience whatsoever...it's a bad idea to judge the entire UNIX world on the cleanliness (or lack thereof) of Linux, because as even the Linux people are fond of pointing out, Linux isn't UNIX. I'm not trying to be argumentative with you, and I respect your experience...please understand that I'm trying to point out that the world of computers is very different from the world of Windows computers...things are, well, just done differently. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

22 years, 8 months

Bytesize (was: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format))

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

I figured it might be IBM as they did some odd things over the years. Another that comes to mind is Interdata (not the 8/32), any one know on that one. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Hans Franke <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, April 22, 2002 9:26 AM Subject: Bytesize (was: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)) >> 9bits was the byte size for the PDP-10, I believe IBM360 and CDC6600 > >Na, the /360 was a plain 8 Bit/Byte machine, but I think you're >right about the CDC. AFAIR there was a Bull machine using 9 Bit Bytes, >and 18 Bit integers. > >Gruss >H. > >-- >VCF Europa 3.0 am 27./28. April 2002 in Muenchen >http://www.vcfe.org/

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test-drb April 2002