test-drb April 2002

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by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Wright [mailto:dtwright@uiuc.edu] > Heheh. I run a bunch of IRIX machines used for scientific > computing :) It's > really not so bad, if you ignore the more horrifying examples of > brain-deadness (what? 16 CDs for an OS install?!...) One of the great mysteries of the universe is the ability of windows <insert some version number here> to take up more space than IRIX once installed, but only fit on one disk. ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

22 years, 8 months

Cheap tools (was: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers)

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> > > >Now, a real neat example did come to my mind: Isn't MS like >one of these 500 parts for 49.95 tool boxes at K/Wall-Mart ? >You realy get the oddest bits you ever seen and a good selection >of tools - tools where each single one costs you 20 bucks if >you buy them at a tool store. Now, would a serious craftsman >ever buy and use this 49.95 tool box ? No. He'll rather spend >ten times the money on a tenth of the tools to buy exactly the >quality he needs for his job. > Hi Having made the mistake of buying the $49.99 tools in the past, I can tell you that you should have bought the $250.00 set from a good source. The sockets split open, the Philips screwdriver points rounded and damaged the screws and the ratchet busted without even using a cheater. It had a life time guarantee. I found the replacements just as useless. Worse still, the plating from one of the replacement sockets peeled up and slashed my hand. It is better to have tools that don't break or damage your hardware than to have guaranteed junk. Dwight

22 years, 8 months

Looking for MicroVAX 3100 model 20E comm parts

by msspcva＠yahoo.com

Hello all: I've got a problem finding some parts and I'm hoping someone on this list can help me out. I'm looking for a DSH32-YA second synchronous serial card option P/N 54-17230-01, and especially it's cable P/N 17-02298-01. These go with a DSH32-BA combo controller module for the MicroVAX 3100 Model 20E systems from DEC. Please email or call me at the number below if you've got the -YA module and the cable, or just the cable. Thanks, Frank Helvey ===== = M O N T V A L E S O F T W A R E S E R V I C E S P. C.= Clayton Frank Helvey, President Montvale Software Services, P. C. P.O. Box 840 Blue Ridge, VA 24064-0840 Phone: 540.947.5364 Email: msspcva(a)yahoo.com ============================================================ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/

22 years, 8 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> It was thus said that the Great Douglas H. Quebbeman once stated: > > > > The interesting thing is that so much of Letwin's book contradicts > > a magazine article by IBM's Ed Iaccabucci, where Ed described > > a dynamic linking mechanism that worked exactly like the one in > > Multics. So at one point, *early* on, there were divergent path > > of development for OS/2, that ended up coalescing into one, the > > wrong one... > > Would you happen to remember the magazine and when? It was around 1987, and it was one of those controlled- circulation magazines, many of which are excellent and not mere advertising rags... "Mini-Micro Systems" may have been it... whatever it was, it underwent a name change while I was subscribed, and I have been searching for the article since about 1990. I've thought about asking Ed personally, but he's a corporate big-wig now, possibly succumbed to PHB disease, and so on... The article galvanized me into buying OS/2 1.0 (Zenith version). I was *very* disappointed when I got the docs on programming the system, and discovered I'd once again suffered from bait-and-switch... -dq

22 years, 8 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/24/2002 2:52:50 PM Central Daylight Time, erd_6502(a)yahoo.com writes: > Right... remember "OS/2 for the PS/2 - half an OS for half a computer"? > > -ethan > > > ah, but those of us who use both know that that couldnt be further from the truth.

22 years, 8 months

linux in 6gb

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Douglas H. Quebbeman [mailto:dquebbeman@acm.org] > > >"Enhanced" MINIX FS -- I actually got a copy of FIPS, and broke the >disk into two partitions. The linux part was slightly larger than >10M, with five for swap. My first pass was Minix2.0 {very fast on a 386/16 with 5mb) and used that to download Linux. The first linix install frm CD was on a 8mb 486slc/25 with an 80mb IDE disk. The current Linux toy is 486/133 with 16mb and a 2.1mb disk from the Caldara Openlinux 2.3 CD. Most of the bells and toys are installed and it's big but useful. A bare bones install still fits on a small disk with useful room if you forget all the packages and Xserver. Allison

22 years, 8 months

anyone with an old national memory databook ?

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Tom Uban" <uban(a)ubanproductions.com> > >I am looking for info on a National Semi 4916944-2 memory IC in >a 16-pin 0.3" DIP package. I am assuming that it is some variant >of the 4164, but am not sure. > >--tnx >--tom > > Hi Tom This is most likely a OEM number. What machine did it come out of? It looks like it might be a HP number or something. A lot of places have their own part numbering system that several manufactures will make labled parts for them. You may need to check what parts were listed for that application. Of course, if the power lines are correct, you can always try the part you think it is. Dwight

22 years, 8 months

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > > > > > > such as when Bill Gates said, "The 80286 is brain-dead." ? > > > > > > Did he really say that? I can't imagine what he'd have meant. Perhaps he was > > > mad at the Intel folks. > > > > Yes, he did. > > Also, Gordon Letwin (author of OS/2 at Microsoft) compared mode > > switching of the 286 to having to shut off your engine to change gears > > on the freeway. > > Interesting you bring up Gordon Letwin...I picked up a copy of his book > _Inside OS/2_ last Friday at the annual library book sale. I haven't > started to read it yet, so I hope it was worth the $1 it cost me. OS/2 is/was a nice OS, but it embraced some architectural flaws that persist in Windows and are part of of makes Windows a sucky operating system. Gordon is obviously very proud of his many pronoucements in the book, such as his belief that GPF indicates a program bug and your program must therefore be terminated. GPF is just a fault condition, and can be programmically used to implement OS features. What OS/2 and Windows call dynamic linking isn't dynamic linking at all, for example. The interesting thing is that so much of Letwin's book contradicts a magazine article by IBM's Ed Iaccabucci, where Ed described a dynamic linking mechanism that worked exactly like the one in Multics. So at one point, *early* on, there were divergent path of development for OS/2, that ended up coalescing into one, the wrong one... -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

22 years, 8 months

linux in 6gb

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas H. Quebbeman [mailto:dquebbeman@acm.org] > My first Linux box was a 40MHz 386-DX (AMD) with 4MB of RAM and a Mine was a 16Mhz 386SX, with 3MB of RAM. (One SIMM, and a strange XMS ISA card from a slightly older system. :) > pair of 40MB Seagate ST-251s... downloaded a piece at a time from Single 40MB IDE disk. > the UNC sunsite onto floppies and installed from them I used the Softlanding from a local BBS... ;) > UMDOS filesystem, since the machine normally booted into DOS 5; "Enhanced" MINIX FS -- I actually got a copy of FIPS, and broke the disk into two partitions. The linux part was slightly larger than 10M, with five for swap. > I used LOADLIN to load Linux (still do on my workstation at home). Used LILO. > My first kernel build took 27 hours. After a series of builds, > I think I got the total build time down to about 16 hours. I don't remember, actually, I used to start them running, and just leave them. Never build a kernel on that machine, though. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

22 years, 8 months

linux in 6gb

by dquebbeman＠acm.org

> > From: Pat Finnegan [mailto:pat@purdueriots.com] > > > For a more suitable install, I can easily install everything I really use > > (between X windows and a few apps, gaim for IM, kernel source so I can > > recompile my kernel, gcc and related stuff) in 1G or less of space. > > I'll go with the "or less." I have personally put Linux, X11, GCC, a few > apps, etc, along with a swap file (that worked very slowly) on 60MB of a > 95MB zip disk. My first Linux box was a 40MHz 386-DX (AMD) with 4MB of RAM and a pair of 40MB Seagate ST-251s... downloaded a piece at a time from the UNC sunsite onto floppies and installed from them I used the UMDOS filesystem, since the machine normally booted into DOS 5; I used LOADLIN to load Linux (still do on my workstation at home). My first kernel build took 27 hours. After a series of builds, I think I got the total build time down to about 16 hours. Eventually, I copied that system to a single 120MB Seagate IDE drive and ran that on a 486 for a while. One day, on a whim, I brought that drive into work and installed it in a 233MHz Pentium (one). Kernel build time: 15 minutes. ;) -Douglas Hurst Quebbeman (DougQ at ixnayamspayIgLou.com) [Call me "Doug"] Surgically excise the pig-latin from my e-mail address in order to reply "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away." -Tom Waits

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test-drb April 2002