test-drb April 2002

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"Toy" computers (was Re: Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sridhar the POWERful [mailto:vance@ikickass.org] > On Sat, 27 Apr 2002, Raymond Moyers wrote: > > OS, DOS, MVS, VM ... running on your pc, serves x3270 > > terms over the network etc etc. > Ow! You're killing me! Heh -- I was hoping for a more verbose reply, but that's ok. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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BS al a Erlacher

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: r. 'bear' stricklin <red(a)bears.org> > On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > The year I got my first PC/AT (I used 'em at work all the time, but didn't get > > one at home for a while.) I bought a 25 MHz clone (NEAT architecture) with 8 > > MB RAM and a pair of 700 MB ESDI drives for $1080. That was with a 1kx768x16 > > VGA display board. I hacked it to work with a fixed-frequency (sync-on-green) > > monitor I had sitting around. It was WONDERFUL. That was in early '89. ['bear' replied:] > This struck me as being blatantly wrong, since it seemed to me (if I > recalled) that in early 1989 your 8 MB of RAM would've run nearly $1k by > itself. > > So I checked the January 1990 issue of "Byte". These are directly from the > cheap ads at the back, and representative of prices a year (loosely) > after your conjectured purchase date: [snip prices] > I admit some margin of error is to be expected, but these prices---sampled > fully eight or nine months after your stated date---do not come close to > corroborating your statements. In consideration of this, I must humbly > submit that you are totally full of shit, or at the very least have made a > grave typographical error. >From my files, an invoice from 1990: 25 MHz 80386, motherboard, case, power supply, 4MB RAM, 1.44 MB FDD, 100MB HD, no i/o, no video, no modem $1450, which is exactly in line with the prices you quoted. Ah, but we must remember that Richard buys Windows for $2. He never pays what we have to pay, nor does he stoop to using bullshit systems like we do (Apple, C64, Unix, Amiga). Richard Erlacher is simply a troll. Or an Alzheimer's victim. Or both. Yes, he has some "stuff" which he will sometimes share, but it's hardly worth the amount of crap we put up with here, not to mention that his crappy posts are deliberately formatted in a way which most classiccmpers find hard to read. > As for the rest of you honking geese Just a minute here! Some of my best friends are geese! http://members.aol.com/gusggoose Glen 0/0

22 years

BS al a Erlacher

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Finnegan" <pat(a)purdueriots.com> > > Dick, do you actually have any interest in old machines or > are you just > If you'd read my earlier post, you'd know that my interest > was in giving away > the hardware I had available. The reason was that, while I > still use some of > the old boxes I have from back in the '70's, and while I > still use the ones > that do something the newer ones don't, or simply do it more > conveniently, I Sounds fair to me, though, I go further, and preserve hardware for the sake of "example," among other things. > don't have any interest in keeping non-functional or > redundant hardware lying > about. Just in case somebody complains about this response, I have to say that it sounds like a proper use of this list as far as I can tell. > number of replies instead that simply said, "I'll take it > all, ship it to ..." > with no offer to participate, say, by paying for the packing > and shipping. Normally if I were to tell somebody that, I'd be assuming that I'd at least have to pay the shipping, but if I ever write to you about something like that, I'll try to be clear on it. > itself. I wouldn't say I toy with 'em however. I hot-rod > the things from > time to time, just to see what sort of speed could have come > from them, under > circumstances that didn't then exist, but I certainly don't > pretend I see them > as being in any sense better than what's out there today. Better is, however, very subjective. :) > their grammar, > syntax, and orthography are clear evidence they've not even > read their own > writing, I can't possibly take them seriously. A pet peeve of mine too; you can't get away from those people, either. Some of them are even great people, but their writing is terrible. One thing I've wondered for a while -- and don't take this as an insult -- is, are you aware of the possible slang connotations in your user-name? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

22 years

Open source -- non computer topics

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: James B. DiGriz [mailto:jbdigriz@dragonsweb.org] > Nah, I understand that Stallman and the FSF are under > constant probing > for any sign of a capitulatory mood, for any sign of Ok... > tolerance for being > made irrelvant, since they are using IP against itself, and a lot of > people stand to gain at everyone else's expense if they can > crack that Ok... > wall. That's the grounds for the GNU/linux controversy, and > no doubt why > he makes demands that are taken as overreaching to UG's that Huh? There's nothing in the license that says you have to give GNU credit in the popularly accepted name of your software. Trying to change that after the fact by throwing your weight around, so to speak, is certainly in poor taste. Richard "I won't talk to you unless you call your project by my pet name" Stallman has lost much of my respect over all of this. Of course, this is just my opinion, and you can certainly disagree. > want him to > speak. I don't envy his position. He has a point, too, even > if you think > it's overblown. Enough so that a lot of people would prefer If you mean that the FSF deserves some credit and respect, sure, but that's not the way for him to get the former, and it certainly has lost him lots of the latter, even if the project may still be relatively well thought of. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

22 years

Jan 82 article abt the IBM PC

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Raymond Moyers [mailto:rmoyers@nop.org] > Linux is making computing CPU agnostic however > and with a system that runs on anything, all that > matters for the hardware is price/performace. I thought NetBSD was about making computing CPU agnostic, and Linux was about giving it huggable plush mascots? ;) > In this new climate, perhaps the dark/ice age of > winblows dumbing down mankind will abate. I've been wishing for this to happen, but I see the world being no closer now that it has been. However, if you have any ideas as to how we can deliver the gospel of computer literacy to the unwashed masses, I'd love to hear them. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Jan 82 article abt the IBM PC

by rmoyers＠nop.org

For those interested http://www.nop.org/misc/pics/ibmpc Im one of those that still has many of his old mags going back to the altair days. In the collection is the Jan 82 issue of Byte this article is about the IBM PC, and perhaps some may get a kick out of reading from scans of these yellowed pages Raymond

22 years

I'm getting sick of this shit! Re: BS al a Erlacher

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

At 11:56 PM 4/28/02 -0500, Pat wrote: >Since I haven't seen anyone ask this yet, I'll bite: > >Dick, do you actually have any interest in old machines or are you just >trolling the list? Pat, If you read the messages on the list you'd know better than to ask that question. All of the messages I've read from you lately strongly >imply that you have no real interest toying with or using the systems we >normally talk about on this list. If you're referring to him having no interest in preserving Apple IIs then I'm guilty as well and I'm sure that many people on this list are too. I might not remove the power supplies and pitch to rest but OTOH I don't save any either. Things like Apple IIs, IBMs, etc are just too common. If I saved everyone that I saw I'd not only fill my house but my entire property as well. If Disk can use the power supplies instead of throwing the entire Apple into the trash (or just leaving it in the trash) than I say good for him! Personally I'm getting sick of this flame war and I wish you guys would drop it. Joe > >I'm not trying to start a war, I'm just trying to ask an honest >question (and perhaps giving you a chance to redeem yourself from the >last round of flames). > >-- Pat > >On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote: > >> Looks as though someone's p*ssed because he doesn't read and can't write and >> spell. >> >> Dick > > >

22 years

Apology {RE: Sun help needed... [was: RE: ...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Oh boy... Looks like I managed to make myself look like some dumb-ass schizophrenic with a computer. When I really _only_ just a dumb-ass with a computer... Made the mistake of trying to send e-mail through an Exchange server >from Netscape using IMAP. The server lied and said it didn't send the message (that bastard!). That's why I tried two other ways... Many apologies to all for my screw-up. Please respond off-list... But does anyone have a better e-mail client recommendation? I have sub-folders on the server, which I'd need to get to... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

22 years

M0006

by meltie＠myrealbox.com

On closer inspection, the VAX 11/750 board that I have marked "Property of DEC, Not For Sale" is an M0006 - a Remote Diagnosis board. What can you people tell me about it? Alex -- My computer's heavier than yours.

22 years

Micro$oft Biz'droid Lusers (was: OT email response format)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Doc > > On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, David Woyciesjes wrote: > > > Did someone say power cords??? I got a box of about 4 dozen if you need > any. > > Heh. I can get you about 4 dozen boxes of 'em.... > > Doc > Geezuz Kirsti.... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

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