test-drb March 2002

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by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Merchberger [mailto:zmerch@30below.com] > Not all Basic's are created equal -- I'd still give my left > <ahem> to be > able to run a Basic09-like package [for OS-9] on my other > machines... That > was another very powerful Basic. For a while I used Turbo Basic under MS-DOS. It was an incredible development environment... for a BASIC ... running under MS-DOS... Ok, so it was "passable." Still :) I hear that DEC BASIC is good, too. Both of the above examples are compilers, though, I think. Anyway, the point is that things based on BASIC don't need to be all bad. There is little difference between BASIC and many command languages which are perfectly useable. Now, whether one would write real software in it is another question. > How much do you think it costs Micro$haft to make a new > version of windows, > compared to the number of copies they jam down our throats? Well, I don't know about you, but nobody's ever forced me to buy a copy of windows. As a result, I never have bought a copy of windows ;) All my computers run other stuff, and are much better off for it. Give me CP/M any day. > As as been said many times before, they only charge what the > market will bear. I'm sure that at least some of the people in Apple may have been certain that they had added that much value to the drive. > If Apple got a lot of people to buy them, and folks didn't > complain about > the price, <M$Rant> and Apple didn't stifle competition so > they could jack > up the prices even more </M$Rant> does it really matter what > they charged > vs. what it cost them to build? It would have been a great opportunity for a competing company to produce apple 2 compatible drives. > <going OT> Most car chargers for cell phones cost between $20 > - $35 USD > each retail - they cost the dealers between $1.95 - $2.95 > each, quantity > 10.</going OT> > The beauty of capitalism. <g> It's amazing what you can get for a couple of wires and a cigarette lighter plug. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

22 years, 3 months

AMD am7960

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Scary. News to me. So...how long will it take for the industry to convince the general population that they NEEEEEED 10GB ethernet to their desktops? -Dave On March 26, Francis Bell wrote: > Well you can buy it from Cisco since September 5, 2001: > > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/ifaa/6500ggml/ > > > > Dave McGuire wrote: > > On March 26, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > > >>Yeah! Gee! They're running Ethernet at 10GB nowadays ... > >> > > > > Really? Last I heard 10GB ethernet was still in the standardization > > process, and nobody had hardware that was even close to working. > > > > Hell, 1GB ethernet rarely (if ever) is run to capacity.. > > > > -Dave > > > > > > > -- Dave McGuire "...it's leaving me this unpleasant, St. Petersburg, FL damp feeling on my shorts..." -Sridhar

22 years, 3 months

Blank CMS SCSI boards for Apple 2

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

{ the following was also posted on comp.sys.apple2 -- apologies if you have to read it twice :-) } Hello all, I just won on eBay a lot of blank CMS SCSI cards for the Apple 2. They appear to be production circuit boards, silkscreened, plated, traces run, etc., but NO parts or connectors installed. The following link to eBay gets you there, with a picture of the boards: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2006140386 I suspect that there is a ROM on board, and some long-obsolete SCSI controller chip on board as well, so I hold little hope, but I'd like to turn one or more of these into functional cards. With that goal in mind, here are some questions: - Does anyone have a ROM that they could make me a HEX dump of? I have no idea what revision board this is, unfortunately... - Can someone help me ID the board revision from part placement, etc.? - Would anyone be willing to take detailed digital pictures of their board and send them to me, so I can try to re-create it? - Would anyone be willing to loan me their board for a week or two so I can analyse it? Anyone who can help me with this will be sent one of these boards, if they desire... Well, let me say the first 20 or so to help get a board ... I've only got 25! :-) Thanks! Rich B. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

22 years, 3 months

Unix disk images and archiving

by cdl＠proxima.ucsd.edu

> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:00:26 -0400 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> > Subject: Unix disk images and archiving > Sender: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > I've gotten my '040 Cube's optical drive functioning again and now I > want to take the original distribution optical disks for various > versions of NeXTstep and make bootable copies of them on more usable > media, preferably for storage as disk images and as bootable volumes on > another SCSI disk. I was thinking of using another magneto-optical > drive, such as my Pinnacle Micro Sierra 1.3GB. I've got enough > optical disks to do this and the drive is an external MO. Is this > doable? The images will have to contend with up to 256MB of data and > must be fully writable to a new physical disk, including all boot > information. > > My '040 Cube is running NeXTstep 3.3 with CAPer, so if I made > images I could easily move them on to my main Mac for storage. The > distribution disks in question have NS 0.9, 1.0, 1.0a, 2.0, 2.1, and > 3.0, as well as a non-bootable disk of 3.2. They've been verified as > readable and still containing the OS (on my '040 Cube after being > locked). Due to the unknown quality of the OD in my '030 Cube I > really don't want to try and boot one on it and I'd like to get them > to another media before I lose the ability to > read them altogether. As I recall from experience upgrading a Cube from a 68030 to a 68040 CPU board, NS 1.0a and earlier would not boot on the 68040. They were written without knowledge of the future differences between a 68040 and a 68030, which are significant at the system stack level. Just something to think about. This does not prevent user-level software from running, just system stuff. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu

22 years, 3 months

[comp.sys.transputer] Free Transputer gear to a good home...

by jbdigriz＠dragonsweb.org

I would say this stuff is worth rescuing...Contact David Clarke by phone if interested. On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 04:31:22 -0500, David Clarke wrote: > Dear Readers, > > AT&T Labs Cambridge (once known as Olivetti Research) will close at the > end of April - barring a miracle. > > We have a number of B004 and B008 development boards, TRAMs and about 20 > individual transputers in PGA packages. As far as I know it is all in > working order, though it is a while since any of it was used. > > There is also a vintage 486 PC which has ISA slots suitable for the dev. > boards, but no monitor. > > I believe that we could donate it all to a researcher who was prepared > to collect it from our Lab in Cambridge (England). > > It is with great regret that I post this message, but if someone does > not take the stuff, it is likely to end up in the crusher. > > Which would be a pity. > > David Clarke > AT&T Labs Cambridge > +44 (0) 1223 343316 > > p.s. I'd prefer a phone call - email is ok but there is no point in > posting a reply to this newsgoup as I won't read it.

22 years, 3 months

QL (was: ZX-81 Question)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > -----Original Message----- > > From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] > > > > I hear that DEC BASIC is good, too. > > > > Both of the above examples are compilers, though, I think. > > > While it's possible that DEC BASIC was an early adopter > > of incremental compilation techniques, I don't think so... > > I'm pretty sure DEC BASIC is a simple interpreter. I guess > > I should look at the source... > > Could be. Not having used DEC BASIC, myself, I'm not sure :) > > I am sure that Turbo Basic was a compiler. Well, at least as much as Turbo Pascal was... -dq

22 years, 3 months

QL (was: ZX-81 Question)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> At 04:05 PM 3/25/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >While it's possible that DEC BASIC was an early adopter > >of incremental compilation techniques, I don't think so... > >I'm pretty sure DEC BASIC is a simple interpreter. I guess > >I should look at the source... > > If you're talking about DEC BASIC as implement on > VMS, you are wrong: What's a VMS? Is that a computer? I was talking about the DEC BASIC that made BASIC famous, the BASIC from TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 on the DECsystem-10. > VAX BASIC V3.8-000 Looks like some kind of vacuum cleaner to me...

22 years, 3 months

AMD am7960

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On March 26, Richard Erlacher wrote: > Yeah! Gee! They're running Ethernet at 10GB nowadays ... Really? Last I heard 10GB ethernet was still in the standardization process, and nobody had hardware that was even close to working. Hell, 1GB ethernet rarely (if ever) is run to capacity.. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "...it's leaving me this unpleasant, St. Petersburg, FL damp feeling on my shorts..." -Sridhar

22 years, 3 months

AMD am7960

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Really? Last I heard 10GB ethernet was still in the standardization >process, and nobody had hardware that was even close to working. Hardware does exist - just you can't afford it (and it's probably not going to be available on the hobbyist market for a little while yet). Even the optics are hellishly expensive! > Hell, 1GB ethernet rarely (if ever) is run to capacity.. Well it's certainly run to capacity in the test labs. Exactly what customers fo with them is up to them! 100MB to the desktop seems to work well enough for me. Especially since the link out of the building is just a T1 ... Antonio

22 years, 3 months

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by vcf＠siconic.com

Can someone help Hans-Werner? -- From: Hans-Werner.Ruch(a)t-online.de (Hans-Werner Ruch) Subject: Intel iUP-201: Can you please help me? Date sent: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:29:59 +0100 Hi, I recently got one of the ancient Intel Eprom Programmer iUP-201 together with a FAST27/K adaptor and RS-232 cable. It still works fine (operated manually). Now my idea is to connect the iUP to a PC to transfer data to/from it, but unfortunately I haven't got any documentation and so I neither know the necessary RS-232 parameters (baudrate, kind of parity, no. of stop bits), nor the commands (strings/bytes?) the iUP awaits. If you have some information or documentation on this subject, I would really appreciate if you could send it to me. Hints are also welcome. -- Regards, Hans-Werner Ruch __________________________________________________ Drlinger Str. 5 b 82229 Seefeld Germany Fax +49-(0)8152-980027 -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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