test-drb March 2002

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My VMS Conundrums... [long - multiple replies]

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Merchberger [mailto:zmerch@30below.com] > Then I get something to the effect of (it's been a long time): Unknown > Terminal. Well, a: SET TERM/DEV=vt100 (I think) will get you past that, but I don't know whether the console will support enough VT escapes to run TPU. Maybe. :) Try it and see. Generally the graphics subsystems on VAXen are only used for running a windowing system. If you wanted to run DECWindows, it's a different story. > It was easier getting a full-screen text editor running on my > CoCo, for > crimeny sakes... [[and it has a real OS, to... ;-) ]] Well, if your CoCo runs OS9, I'll agree with that last part. Still, it shouldn't be such a problem on your VAX. > be, if a little wordy (SET DEFAULT [000000] versus cd / ... > thank god I top > out at 110wpm... ;-) but I really wish it would have been a Actually that's not as bad as it seems. First off, you can abbreviate default to "DEF", and [000000] to [0,0] Next, you generally don't need to change to the root directory, because there's not much there aside from the index file (which it's usually bad to manipulate by hand ;) VMS also will assume that if you SET DEF [FOO] FOO is in the root directory. Otherwise it wants you to prepend a directory separator, and say [.FOO] Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

22 years, 9 months

ancient terminals, was: Re: ZX-81 Question

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 3/26/02 9:20:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de writes: > And that reminds me of the Tektronix ASCII Terminal I rescued lately. > Characters are drawn only once and the analog "memory" display tube > keeps the dots fluoresceing. No screen refresh! This is one of the > Terminals where you can see that Tektronix is well known for > oscilloscopes... > What model of Tek terminal? Paxton Astoria, OR

22 years, 9 months

RSX-11 Documentation available

by tim.myers＠protasis.co.uk

I've been made aware of a set of RSX-11 documentation that's being disposed of in the building where I work. This wil be disposed at the end of Wednesday 27th, so if anyone wants it, please mail me directly now! I've got no where to store this long-term, but can hold it for a week or two. There will be no cost for this, but you will have to pay for shipping (I can FedEx internationally), or collect from Chester, UK. There are 9 rather large 3-ring binders, so shipping to the US may be prohibitive. --- Tim Myers, Protasis UK Ltd., Cheshire Innovation Park, PO Box 1, Chester, CH1 3SH. Tel : +44 151 355 4590 DDI : +44 151 355 4931 Fax : +44 151 355 4942

22 years, 9 months

MiniMINC

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

>Actually there was a dual microm that would give the PDT11/150 >EIS and FIS... *actually* -- the dual microm simply combines the 3007 and 3010 microm chips into one dual carrier, which frees up a slot for the EIS/FIS chip... you still need the EIS/FIS chip, however. I've got a couple of PDT-11/150s with the mod. There was a version of space invaders for a VT100 on RT-11 which required EIS/FIS for some reason. For quite a while we used the EIS/FIS emulator driver (I think it was from Ian Hammond), at least until we found a supply for dual microms and EIS/FIS chips. (This was back in the days when the PDT-11/150 was sold to DEC employees and we had a broad-spectrum mailing list to discuss it -- I was a moderator for it) Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

22 years, 9 months

Heathkit et-3100

by mhstein＠canada.com

http://bama.sbc.edu/heath.htm or http://www.circuitarchive.co.uk/heath.htm What else do ya need? I have one of these somewhere; not much to it... mike ----------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:36:33 +0200 From: John Franklin <John.Franklin(a)sita.co.za> Subject: Heathkit et-3100 can anyone help. I am looking for manuals, diagrams etc or any info on the Heathkit ET-3100

22 years, 9 months

QL (was: ZX-81 Question)

by Huw.Davies＠kerberos.davies.net.au

At 04:05 PM 25/03/2002 -0500, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > For a while I used Turbo Basic under MS-DOS. It was an > > incredible development environment... for a BASIC ... running > > under MS-DOS... Ok, so it was "passable." Still :) > > > > I hear that DEC BASIC is good, too. > > > > Both of the above examples are compilers, though, I think. > >While it's possible that DEC BASIC was an early adopter >of incremental compilation techniques, I don't think so... >I'm pretty sure DEC BASIC is a simple interpreter. I guess >I should look at the source... It depends on which DEC BASIC. VAX BASIC was both an interpreter and a compiler. I tended to use the compiler - earned a living once programming a student records system in VAX BASIC, FMS and Indexed Sequential files. Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au | "If God had wanted soccer played in the | air, the sky would be painted green"

22 years, 9 months

DEC Hardware design available

by aek＠spies.com

> Just a note that <http://www.alibris.com/home.cfm> lists two copies of > Computer Design: A DEC View ... for sale. One is $34 and one is $57. That's > cheaper than Ebay by a long shot. I have one up for $49 with no bids right now. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2011505056

22 years, 9 months

Source code for 805x line-by-line assembler?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> 805x processors cannot (without external hardware) write to program memory, so any > line assembler would be dependant on some (common) hardware tricks to write to > program space. Although I keep some Intel parts around, I prefer the Dallas Semiconductor DS5000 familiy, which allows software to partition its 64k memory between code space and data space. However, I'll grant that this qualifies under your definition of "hardware tricks", even though it's not quite what you had in mind. Regards, -dq

22 years, 9 months

My VMS Conundrums... [long - multiple replies]

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that pat(a)cart-server.purdueriots.com may have mentioned these words: >On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Roger Merchberger wrote: > >> I've tried 'help' but there are a lot of things that *just* *won't* *run* >> whatsoever, including [but not limited to] every text editor I've tried, >> because I can't figure out how to get the terminal screen configured... >> which (of course, with my luck) 'help' either 1) doesn't tell me, or 2) has >> obfuscated it *so* badly that I won't have a chance in Hades of ever >> finding it there... > >If you have an ANSI terminal (or a vtXXX) hooked up to it, all you need to >do is 'set term/ansi'. If you're using a framebuffer monitor, I think >you're outa luck, both myself and a guy I know that worked for DEC either >can't figure it out or have deemed it impossible to do ANSI emulation on >those things (or anything useful). My suggestion is to try and get it to >work with a text-terminal first. Well, I've rescued a Wyse sumthinorother terminal, unknown condition but with an RJ-11 interface for the keyboard, and over the winter, I've finally found an RJ11-based Wyse keyboard... but with the move, I've not had time to actually test it... let alone I don't have a serial adapter that will work for it (or at least I'm not sure...) so that's something else I'd have to do... However, up until now I didn't have a terminal to use -- I kinda thought that a 2Mbyte 8-plane grafix framebuffer would have been good enough... :-/ >Second, once you install DecWindows (http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/), >it should auto-magically start up OR you can start it using a DCL script >called 'DECW$STARTUP.COM' or something similar. It should be available >under the 'SYS$MANAGER:' drive-alias. The URL above is a GREAT reference >to (Open)VMS - I've been able to figure out just about any problem with >those docs and this list. (thanks guys!) Thanks for the tip... I'll check it out once the system is set up again (prolly in a couple of months, if I'm lucky...) >Nice setup, makes my VAXstation 3200 look puny. :( Just promise to never >stop running VMS on it. With people like Gunther running Ultrix or NetBSD >on it ( <cough> sick bastards <cough> ;) the world needs as many VMS >users as it can get to stay in sync. Well, I also have one of the latest versions of Ultrix for it, and I had installed it to see what it was like... and I found it slow - but it did install *very* easily (unlike my trials & tribulations with VMS...) ============= and ============== Rumor has it that Carlini, Antonio may have mentioned these words: > What terminal do you have connected? > If it's one of the VT series, try: > $ SET TERMINAL/INQUIRE > and don't type anything until the $ prompt > comes back I don't have a terminal, but I'll try this when I get the system set up again - but I tried everything in the "help set terminal" and "set terminal xxxxx" most everything, and I couldn't get the framebuffer to recognize anything useful to get an editor working... ============ and ================== Rumor has it that Geoff Roberts may have mentioned these words: >> >> The only classic machine I can't get to print is my MicroVAX 3100/m38 - >> >and >> >> that's only because I can't get it to talk TCP/IP... :-( <sniff> >> > >> >Er, why not? What version of VMS? VMS 7.1... >IIRC, the VMS docs are viewable online at DEC^H^H^HCompaq's web site >somewhere. As others has stated, too... but it's tough to take those into the 'loo' for a little 'light reading...' ;-) >HELP SET TERMINAL should work, if you use a VT term into the console port. I tried to do that 'till I was blue in the face (at *least* 16 hours worth) -- it just doesn't work with a framebuffer... :-( >Hmmm, I managed to get a Vax 6310 going when I didn't have any idea what VMS >was, >so I'm sure you can do this.. Working, yes... working usefully... alas, no. :-( >EVE or just plain EDIT should work, again from a terminal. If the graphic >display working at all? Sure, the display is working great - until you try to start a text editor. Then I get something to the effect of (it's been a long time): Unknown Terminal. >> 2Meg 8-plane grafix buffer [this is >> the biotsch that won't config right for the terminal settings, hence no >> text editors] 17" display, keyboard, mouse [of course] > >?? I didn't think the video device need to be configured. VMS should take >care of that, and it should 'just work'. It 'just works' to display text -- lots of it (110+ columns at 58 lines or somesuch - looks bitchin' on the 17" monitor that it came with!) And it works great in Ultrix. Just won't let VMS run a damn text editor... :-( >Are you sure the monitor and graphic buffer are compatible? Error message? >Anything on the display? I pieced together 2 3100's to get the right mix of memory, hard drives, framebuffer & monitor, but the framebuffer & monitor were a matched pair; I just raided the second box for mem/HD. >Shouldn't be THAT hard.....Did you install VMS, or was it there already? I installed it myself - I think it took 2 tries, but once I got the hang of it it wasn't unusually difficult... it's trying to make it do something without a text editor afterwords that's been the PITA... ============== and ==================== Rumor has it that Eric Dittman may have mentioned these words: >> HELP SET TERMINAL should work, if you use a VT term into the console port. > >HELP doesn't require a VTxxx terminal. Yea, but the "SET TERMINAL" part does... I've used SET TERMINAL this, that & the other, to no avail... >> EVE or just plain EDIT should work, again from a terminal. If the graphic >> display working at all? > >Use EDIT/EDT in line mode. <Sarcasm> Holy-my-goodness... Why not just use EDLIN? </Sarcasm> <Really-Rude-Sarcasm> I've spent more than 6 years on this list, and all I hear is VAX this... VMS that... Ya Wanna Real System? VAX is the Only Way... VMS is the *only* Real OS... So I *finally* got one for myself - and I have to use a _line_ _editor_??? It was easier getting a full-screen text editor running on my CoCo, for crimeny sakes... [[and it has a real OS, to... ;-) ]] </Really-Rude-Sarcasm> The sarcasm is just letting off a little steam - I'm joking, really! Honestly, the hardware's great - and I'm sure VMS is all it's cracked up to be, if a little wordy (SET DEFAULT [000000] versus cd / ... thank god I top out at 110wpm... ;-) but I really wish it would have been a little easier to get working without having to hang a termainal off of it... And to be perfectly honest, at first all I really wanted to do with it: Write & run BASIC programs! I'd figured *hopefully* the BASIC was much more powerful than anything in the PeeCee world, and I wanted something faster than my CoCos... ... And learn VMS, in the process. >> > [1] Well, OK - to be technical, the thing runs *great* - I just can't *do* >> > a frelling thing with it... > >Someone is a "Farscape" fan. I wondered if anyone would pick up on that... ;-) As always, I've appreciated any & all advice that comes from the list, but the framebuffer/terminal issues seem like they're a rather tough nut to crack. To be honest, I think I'm going to mothball the VAX/VMS combo for now, and try installing VMS on my wife's retired DEC 3000/300 machine. It's only got 64M RAM, but if at least I can get DECWindows to install right off on the machine, it might give me a better "taste" of VMS to tinker with before I dive headlong into the VAX again... But I'm not giving up! ;-) Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

22 years, 9 months

Docs for WellFleet AFN model 1515

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

I don't think it's quite on-topic, but does anyone have docs for this? A WellFleet model 1515 Access Feeder Node. Looks like a modem server or something. Nortel swallowed Baystack which swallowed Wellfleet.... Nothing online for documentation. Main question is: The port marked "Console" is a DE9 *female*. No keyboard port, so I expect it's a serial port, but I've never seen a female DE9 serial. Will a gender swap work, or do I need pinout adapter? When your friends find out you collect "junk", they bring you the most amazing stuff. Doc

22 years, 9 months

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