test-drb October 2002

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by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> I am curious what your favorite cp/m system might be. I am getting an itch > for some late-70/early-80/pre-msdos kind of box. Of the transportables, I > recall working with a kaypro years ago that seemed decent, but I've also > been thinking about an osborne. I'm not sure whether there is anything in > an s-100 design that I should look at. My favorite would be the Kaypro 2, as it's the one CP/M system that I definitly remember seeing while I was in High School. I got lucky a few years ago, and bought a really nice Kaypro 2 in a carrying case from Paxton. My second most favorite would be the IMSAI-8080 due to it's killer front panel. However, I don't have my IMSAI anywhere near able to run CP/M (I don't even have disks for it). Zane

23 years, 1 month

Another LA request

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: Tothwolf <tothwolf(a)concentric.net> >On Sun, 20 Oct 2002, Keven Miller wrote: >> Jay West wrote: >> >> > Anyone have a spare 9122S or 9122D available? Someday I hope to find a >> > HP-IB interface for a PeeCee cheap, but from what I've seen those are >> > still commanding (relatively) high dollars. >> >> A couple years ago I picked up an ISA-HPIB card from eBay for $101.00. >> It came with the manual and software "HP-IB Command Library for MS-DOS." > >Gosh, do these cards always command such a high price? I think I still >have one of those cards around here somewhere that I don't ever see myself >putting to use. If I can find it, I may go ahead and make it available as >a trade. What exactly are these things good for anyhow? I also have a >couple of HP systems, but I've never done much with them, since I didn't >have software for them when they were still working. > >-Toth > > Hi I don't know if I should say anything but there is a pile of 488 cards at HSC that come with manuals and software, new in the box. I paid $35 for it. I haven't looked to see if it is a ISA or what but it is for either PC's or AT's, I just wasn't paying attention. I need to get some cables before I can connect to my meter or power supplies. Dwight

23 years, 1 month

ASR33 linefeed solved! So here is the next ASR problem.......

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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23 years, 1 month

ASR33 linefeed solved! So here is the next ASR problem.......

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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23 years, 1 month

help! rate classic basic games

by ajw＠best.com

Howdy! I while back I uploaded my collection of classic BASIC games and Win32 BASIC interpreter to download.com (over 50,000 downloads!). Unfortunately, some of the folks downloading the package were expecting a modern twitch game. So I have a mix of reviews. Generally good ones from those who were expecting classic games, and negative from those expecting Doom. Anyway, If you've got a moment, it would be great if you could try it and rate it with your honest option. The link is: http://download.com.com/3000-2115-10109180.html?tag=lst-0-1 Thanks! Anthony

23 years, 1 month

X marks the deck (was Re: [OT] paper on Retro ?)

by smj＠crash.com

> Who remembers drawing a cross or a diagonal line on the top of the card > deck, so you had some chance of re-ordering the deck if someone dropped the > box? Not quite the same order of tragedy, but many may recall drawing X's across the top end of the labels of (boxes of) 3.5" floppies full of, say, Retrospect Remote backups of Mac Pluses. And in this case you _could_ use it for sorting the inevitable shuffled deck... Sigh. You can tell I never worked with cards - I sortof wish I could dig up a reader and punch... It seems like it might be fun (so long as I can go back to my nice X11 desktop the instant I get tired of it ;^) --Steve.

23 years, 1 month

HP 2647A / F Terminal

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

Thanks for the info, but that's a bummer since I have no software media with the 2647F that I have, and it might not be too likely that I will ever find any. My guess is that the difference between the 2647A and 2647F is that the A model uses tapes while the F model uses floppies. I have two 5.25" drives for my F model and it does not have tape drives, and apparently tapes were not options on the F model. I have an HP '84 catalog which lists the 2647F (at around $9000) but not the 2647A. Does anyone have a service manual for 264x terminals? If they have full schematics and firmware info at least I could try writing 8085 code to run on my 2647F if I find a copy of one. From looking inside it looks like it has 128KB of DRAM (must be paged somehow) and 12 ROM chips of unknown size. Also it looks like the floppy controller has it's own Z80 and ROM and a WD 1791 controller. This might make a interesting project (aka timesink) trying to figure out how it works and how to do someting with it other than use it as a terminal. I have a 264x loader rom in my HP 2117F so maybe I can get it load code from a floppy on the 2647F (it appears that you can set a file on a floppy to respond to tape commands). That would be another project in itself since I don't have any documentation on the 264x loader rom nor do I know if I even have a serial interface card that it supports. -Glen >From: kevenm(a)reeltapetransfer.com (Keven Miller) >Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: HP 2647A / F Terminal >Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 00:46:28 -0600 > >I just happen to have a 2647A User's manual >and a 2647A Reference Manual [no terminal]. > >User manual, CH. 6, starts: >This section describes briefly how to load >the BASIC interpreter from your BASIC >Multiplot cartridge tape (part no. 02647-13301). > >Sounds like you need a tape. > >Keven Miller >kevenm(a)reeltapetransfer.com _________________________________________________________________ Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp

23 years, 1 month

HP 2647A / F Terminal

by glenslick＠hotmail.com

The 'os' is in ROM on the 2647F and I can get to the command line to format floppies and create and copy files and such. It is just that BASIC is not in ROM so doing more interesting things other than using it as a terminal will take more work. I did find a little bit of information on the web and you can send it a sequence like this to enter and execute 8085 code: ESC & b (at this point the display says "LOADER") <address in octal> a <data in octal> d ... and so on <data in octal> d <address in octal> a E I wrote a loop to cycle reading every byte in the address space and I attached a logic analyzer to verify that the code was executing. Since I can do that I should be able to capture the ROM code and then unassemble it and then maybe figure out how to read the keyboard and write to the display and then do some more interesting things with it. Anyone on the list happen to have an HP 10304B 8085 processor probe? -Glen >From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com> >Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >Subject: Re: HP 2647A / F Terminal >Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:29:38 -0400 > >+AD4- ...since I have no software media >+ADw- with the 2647F that I have... > >Since the tape based terminals of that era did >not rely on the tape for an os (it was ROMmed), >perhaps the +ACo-F series also has control of the >drives using only ROMware. > >The way I remember it working is that a combination >of Top Key presses would result in commandlines like so: > COPY DISPLAY to PRINTER > COPY LTAPE to RTAPE > COPY DISPLAY to RTAPE >That sort of thing. >To try before you give up. > >John A. _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

23 years, 1 month

Troll on imsai.net?

by jd＠sourcecode.co.za

Then why go at length to describe the W.O.P.R. lettering and the BASF disks. There is also mention to directly contact the authorities something a scammer would want to avoid at all costs. Even the handover of such a system if it's dontated to a boy would be caught out once there is no boy to receive it. Thieves are usually dumb, in South Africa we had thieves in the 80's that stole computers and tried to sell them as vcr's/type writers/all kinds of other creative names. They also might have thought the heavier the more worth.. While I'm writting I'd like to know this: Is there ANY chance that the ink from pens/markers can damage a CD over a long period of time? I'm marking my cds with a black marker that has Xylene in it. Aint these inks acidic? I dont want to recover all my paper tapes to CD only to find after 20 years that the ink markings ate away the surface.. -----Original Message----- From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] Sent: 21 October 2002 04:02 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Troll on imsai.net? This is posted on the front page of imsai.net: "Mr. Fischer, Recently my home was burglarized. Surprisingly the thieves took my son's IMSAI computer. My son is 5 years old and is autistic. He refuses to use a regular computer. He is in love with his IMSAI though, switches and lights always fascinated him. This computer was his favorite possession and he asks about it all day long, even gets up at night and wakes me up asking for it. This computer means the world to him. On the side of the machine are the letters W.O.P.R. They look silk screened. Also taken with this unit was a very large disk drive and some extreme large computer disks. I think they were 12 inches across [8" floppy disk], and are marked BASF 8" Single Sided Double Density. Also stolen was a computer modem that you would set a phone on to [acoustic coupler]. Thank you in advance for any information you may have." It sounds plausible, but then I'm a cynic. I can imagine someone would make this up to try to get the sympathy of Todd Fischer thinking he might just send them an IMSAI. I mean, why would a cat burglar walk out of a house with 100 pounds of computer, unless they really knew what it was and could get $x000 for it on eBay? Wouldn't it have shown up on eBay? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 1 month

Naming Computers [was: A Momentous Decision]

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Don't you mean network them all using a Tolken Ring? -----Original Message----- From: Brian Chase [mailto:vaxzilla@jarai.org] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 1:20 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Naming Computers [was: A Momentous Decision] On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, David A. Woyciesjes wrote: > Well, my firewall/router is Dragon, my Sun Ultra 1 with Solaris 9 > is Gandalf, my VaxStation 3100 will be Hobgoblin, the two Cabletron hubs > will be MiddleEarth and RiverStyx. I have a x86 box (Solaris 8) that will > be Halfling, and Frodo (probably) for my DEC 3000/400... > Any other suggestions on this theme? For starters, you could network them all using a token ring. ^^^^^ Bilbo, Aragorn, Legolas, Samwise, Pippin, Gimli, Galadriel, Arwen, Eowyn, Saruman, Sauron, Faramir, Theoden, etc... -brian.

23 years, 1 month

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test-drb October 2002