Well I've been messing with my H8 some... I did get a program to work that I
entered into the keypad on the front. Now I would like to take the next
step and see if some of the other stuff works...
This machine has the H8-5 serial/ tape combo - I have the cable that
connects the funny Molex connector to the terminal & have a nice terminal
hooked to it. I also have in there what I believe to be the floppy
controller - but I have no cables or drives.
I am assuming that this machine must be "told" via the front panel to boot
>from a tape or disk before I ever get anything on the terminal? Is this
correct?
If this is true - what do I need to get this thing up and running? Will
this thing boot from tape? Is that the easiest option for starters? I am
not having much luck locating information or parts online for this beast...
Also I'm wondering if the floppy drives are just a standard old 360k drive &
some sort of standard cabling that I might be able to round up? If so how
hard will it be to find bootable media?
Lots of questions!
Thanks in advance
Chris Lamrock
> I remember an magazine add for a TRS-80 (Model 1) in the mid-70's
> with it in a kitchen, 'storing recipies'. Wish I had kept it.
I've been reading Stan Veit's History of the Personal Computer
lately. He's got a reprint of the photo from a TRS-80 Model I
ad where a guy is using it on the kitchen table, copying some
thing down on a pad and looking vaguely crazed with a cup of
coffee. A woman stands in the background behind the kitchen
counter, findling a bowl of snacks or fruit and gazing fondly
at the gent in the foreground - as if proud the her man is
finally able to purchase an use a microcomputer. Page 171.
--Steve.
In the interest of getting rid of stuff, the list below is some of the
stuff I will be bringing to VCF. I'll be adding to it as the stuff gets
loaded into the van. The pricing is OBO but I probably won't be very
flexible on just one item :). At this point, I have zero interest in
shipping anything, so this is info for those of you who will be
attending.
Misc. For Sale
1. $5.00 Apollo Keyboard/Mouse
2. $10.00 Arnet Boards, cables, etc. No Software Untested
3. $25.00 Atari 850 Interface w/ Power Supply
4. $25.00 Commodore Monitor 1701
5. $5.00 Commodore 1541 disk drives
6. $4.00 Commodore C-64 Power Supplies
7. $5.00 HP Laserjet II 1 MB Memory Board
8. $3.00 Kensington System Saver - Apple II
9. $3.00 Kensington System Saver - Mac
10. $10.00 Keyword 8000 8" drives & power supply
11. $1.00 Misc. Box - Anything in box for $1.00 ea.
12. $10.00 Multibus Extender Card
13. $20.00 One Box Punch Cards, Globe #39367
14. $10.00 Printer Ribbon Re-Inker
15. $20.00 Vector Graphic Hardware Manuals
16. $20.00 Vector/Godabout S-100 motherboard
17. $5.00 Versatec Interface Board?
Books/Magazines for Sale
1. $2.00 Apple II User's Guide, PB
2. $2.00 RCA SK Replacement Catalog, PB
3. $4.00 Information Processing w/ Basic and Telecourse Guide, Bohl, PB
4. $2.00 1985/86 NTE Technical Guide and Cross Reference, PB
5. $2.00 Open Windows V3 for SunOS 4.1.x DeskSet Reference Guide,
Sunsoft, PB
6. $4.00 Odyssey, Sculley, HB
7. $2.00 The Personal Computer Book, McWilliams, PB
8. $2.00 Programmmer's Guide to the IBM PC, Norton, PB
9. $2.00 Programmer's Guide to the NeWs Toolkit code Generator, Sunsoft,
PB
10. $2.00 Solaris 2.0 System Configuration and Installation Guide,
Sunsoft, PB
11. $4.00 High Level Cobol Programming , Weinberg,Kauffman,Wright,Goetz,
HB
Software for Sale
1. $5.00 MAC Tools, Central Point Software, shrinkwrapped eval.copy
2. $7.00 Microsoft Windows 3.1 (Logitech) 5 1/4 HD diskettes
3. $25.00 One Lot OS/2 Software
4. $5.00 QB/Pro Vol 7 - QB Optimizer, Microhelp
5. $2.00 ea Sun CDs
6. $30.00 Xenix w/AST 4-port serial card, etc.
Computers/Terminals For Sale
1. $10.00 ADM 5 terminal, lights up but NT
2. $10.00 Atari 400
3. $15.00 Atari 800
4. $10.00 DEC VT-220 terminal
5. $25.00 Commodore 64 w/1701 Monitor, 1741 Disk Drive, Cassette Drive,
Manuals, etc.
6. $10.00 Epson Equity LT Laptop w/manuals, disks, power supply,
carrying case, NW
7. $25.00 Epson HX-20 modified w/ bar code scanner
8. $35.00 HP 150 Touchscreen Computer
9. $20.00 IBM convertable computers
10. $5.00 Mac SE, 2FD, Top FD w/insertion problem, no kb/mouse
11. $20.00 Mac SE30, FD/HD, ADB keyboard/mouse, original disks, cloth
carrying case
12. $15.00 Mac 512K
13. $15.00 Mac Classic w/ keyboard/mouse
14. $7.00 Sharp PC-4501 Laptop w/ manual, carrying case NW
15. $35.00 Soroc IQ120
16. $5.00 Tandy Coco 1
17. $5.00 Tandy Coco 2
18. $35.00 Tandy/Radio Shack Model 100
19. $10.00 Zenith Z-170 w/ User Manual
20. $10.00 Zenith Z-170 w/ User Manual
21. $25.00 Zenith ZTX-11 Terminal, Unopened in Original Box
NW - Not Working
NT - Not Tested
Game Computers For Sale
1. $15.00 Atari 5100, power supply, game/ps connection box
2. $5.00 Magnavox Odyssey II, power supply, one game cartridge
3. $5.00 Mattel Aquarius (no box)
I remember an magazine add for a TRS-80 (Model 1) in the mid-70's with it in
a kitchen, 'storing recipies'.
Wish I had kept it.
(Btw, a friend of mine scored an 'audry', and as a browser, it really
rocks.)
Doug Jackson
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Chase [mailto:vaxzilla@jarai.org]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:16 PM
> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Classic kitchen computer products?
>
>
> I'm sure most people on the list are familiar with Honeywell's Kitchen
> Computer. And then there are also plenty of more recent attempts to
> computerize the kitchen these days: The Electrolux fridge computer,
> 3COM's aborted Audrey internet appliance, and a whole range of systems
> from South Korea's LG Electronics.
>
> But what of the intervening years? What was going on during the 1970s
> and 1980s to conquer the kitchen with computer technology; either with
> software or hardware? I've vague recollections of commercial software
> being availble for 80s era microcomputers--things like recipe
> databases
> software--but I can't come up with any specific examples.
>
> Does anyone here know of other classic computer kitchen automation
> products from bygone decades?
>
> -brian.
>
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Well I have the manuals and all the related stuff but having been ripped
off by the inept operators of eBay, I refuse to acknowledge their
existence other than to regularly wish a pox on their first born children
Rich
From: "Glen Goodwin" <acme_ent(a)bellsouth.net>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Kaypro 10
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:02:25 -0400
Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Happy hunting. The last one I saw on eBay went for $175, no diskettes,
no
manuals, just the box.
Glen
Happy hunting. The last one I saw on eBay went for $175, no diskettes, no
manuals, just the box.
Glen
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> From: loedman1(a)juno.com
> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Kaypro 10
> Date: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 7:18 PM
>
> Looking for a Kaypro 10 with CP/M 2.2 OS. Drives must be in good shape
>
> Rich Stephenson
> loedman1(a)juno.com
If I am not for myself, who will be for me?
And if not now, when?
-- Pirkei Avot
Hi
I'm looking for a good reference book on Pascal.
I'm looking for something in the 1982 to 1985 time range.
The Pascal, I have, is said to be MS-Pascal. I didn't know that
they did a Pascal but it may have been someone elses
that they OEM'd. I don't think it is Turbo Pascal
so don't suggest your favorite TP book.
Of course, it isn't on a x86 machine so there may be
differences. I am mostly interested in the kind of things
one would normally find in the object library that one
would use with this compiler. They mention that it is
a shared library with MS-FORTRAN. Information on FORTRAN
libraries might also be useful.
Thanks
Dwight
> While we're on the subject, did anyone see the article "Data
> Extinction" in the October 2002 issue of Technology Review?
Yeah, but I was somewhat disappointed. The cover made it sound like they
would discuss *media* that would last a long time, but they were just
talking about maintaining the ability for software to handle the data.
That's obviously worthwhile, but it's also much easier to figure out:
1) Use industry-standard data formats, not proprietary formats
2) Use text-based formats where possible rather than binary formats 3)
Keep a specification for the format along with that data, ideally
on the same physical medium
4) Keep the source code for the software that processes the data,
ideally on the same physical medium. Ideally use software written
in a programming language that is widely used, not something
obscure.
5) Keep the tools used to build the binary of the software.
etc.
On the media side, though, AFAIK there is only one high-density
machine-readable media that can be expected with any confidence to last
much more than 20 years. That is CD-R with a gold-coated substrate
rather than silver or aluminum. Note that gold-tinted dye is NOT
sufficient. The main failure mechanism for CD-Rs is oxidation of
the reflective layer, and a gold layer won't do that, so then your limit
is based on other physical processes that occur even more slowly.
Kodak's accelerated aging tests indicated a typical life of several
hundred years, so they conservatively claimed one hundred. They used to
have a white paper on their web site.
However, almost everyone that made gold CD-R media (including Kodak) has
abandoned it. Mitsui appears to still offer it. Of course, it's more
expensive than the cheap stuff by a factor of two or more.
Kodak came up with a "marketing breakthrough" in offering discs with a
blend of silver and gold. They claim these to be better than silver
only discs, though not as good as gold-only. I am very dubious that
these mixed discs will actually hold up better than silver-only, since
there's not actually enough gold to be sufficiently reflective if all of
the silver oxidizes. But I don't really understand the chemistry of it,
so perhaps somehow the mix keeps the silver from oxidizing as quickly?
I speculate, but have *no* evidence, that gold CD-RW media might last
even longer than gold CD-R media. This is because it takes a higher
energy level to cause a phase change in CD-RW media.
If you need to archive data with any media with a limited lifetime
(which means any media at all), you have several potential problems.
You need to recopy the media before it fails, and you need to make sure
that you don't introduce any errors in replication. The longer the
lifetime of the original media, the less of a problem this will be.
When you do recopy the media, you'll probably want (or need) to copy it
onto a different, more modern medium.
One of the things people have worried about is how long CD-ROM drives
will exist. I believe that twenty-five years from now it will not be
difficult to find a working drive that can read CD-ROMs, but that in
fifty nears it will be somewhat difficult. However, one advantage of
the CD format is that it was designed to be so simple that a
microprocessor is not even necessary in a player or drive. This was a
serious design consideration in the late 1970s when Sony and Philips
were developing the CD for audio use, though by the time they introduced
the first actual products in 1983 the cost of a microprocessor was so
low as to make "dumb" CD players impractical.
The CD and CD-Audio specifications are widely available. You can't get
the official specs without paying some money, but they're in IEC 60908
(CD-Audio) and ISO/IEC 10149 (CD-ROM extension) which are *much* less
expensive than buying the Red Book and Yellow Bookfrom Philips.
I believe that building a crude but working CD-ROM drive from scratch
would be a reasonable project for a few grad students, so if it is really
the case that in 50 or 100 years, no new CD-ROM-compatible drives are
commercially available and no old ones still work, it won't be an
insurmountable challenge to read CD-Rs.
If you want a medium with even better longevity than that, I suggest
punched mylar tape. But the density is orders of magnitude worse than
for CD-R.
