> Chuck McManis wrote:
>Well if its a KA694 then that wouldn't be a horrible price. I don't
have my
>KA670 out of the machine so that I could check against that one. It
>definitely doesn't look like the KA692.
The REX520 screams Rigel to me: KA670.
I don't have one handy to visually
inspect though.
Look at the AlphaServer 2100 memory auction too: same price!
Antonio
On September 14, Gunther Schadow wrote:
> Here are the "winners" according to my notes:
>
> VAX 11/730 - John Allain
> VAX 11/750 - Sridhar, Vance, Master of all that Sucks, Absurdly Obtuse
> HP 3000 - Lee or Bob
Uhhhh...Crap, I thought those VAXen were ours, Brian...whaddup wit
dat?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Laurel, MD
I sincerely agree as to the tragedy of recent US events. My heart goes out to all affected.
HOWEVER, this is a classic computer mailing list. The discussion on the WTC stuff is very interesting, but it belongs on all the myraid of other lists present on the net for this purpose.
What on EARTH posessed people to think we needed blow by blow updates on this list about current world events? Think - if you have to put "OT" in the subject of your message, it probably doesn't belong here.
Regards,
Jay West
Hi, see this
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1274886271
he's trying to sell a VAX 4000 CPU for $999.0 and no, it's not a
typo, BuyItNow says $2000 something.
cheers,
-Gunther
--
Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org
Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care
Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine
tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org
This is one monitor I can no longer justify owning. It is a nice trinitron
VGA monitor with few hours on it, however it is a fixed frequency
31.25Khz/60Hz monitor. It makes an excellent "spare" monitor for a laptop
with a damaged screen or a rack mounted system, etc, etc. At 13" it doesn't
take up too much space and its easily lifted by one person.
Its in Sunnyvale, CA. If you're willing to pay the packing and shipping (I
do not have the original packing material so I would have to take it to be
packed) I can mail it to you.
Fortunately, it looks like tomorrow I'm going to finally get my mailings
done for those of you who are patiently waiting.
--Chuck
Perchance does anyone have an operations and/or maintenance manual
for the Qualstar Model 1260 9-track tape drive? This was a popular
drive in the late '80s and early '90s, especially for use with PCs.
It's very compact, works in vertical or horizontal attitude, and
is basically reel-to-reel without any tensioning mechanism. It was
sold by Qualstar and in systems by other vendors such as Overland
Data and Chi Corporation.
Thanks.
--
David C. Jenner
djenner(a)earthlink.net
> > In a recent thread, Tony Duell expressed a lack of interest in the
> > emulators and simulators of old iron that are now circulating. His
>
> True. But let me say a couple of things here...
Ok...
> > reasons centered around his love of hardware. From my perspective,
> > it appears that for Tony, the experience of computing cannot be
> > separated from the experiencing of the computer.
>
> That much is also true. As I've said a few times before, I am an
> electronics hacker primarily. My interest in computers is to consider
> them as (fairly) complex electronic circuits to be investigated, hacked,
> modified, repaired, etc. This is (I know) somewhat unconventional, but....
No so unconventional... I started with hardware (hacking the family TV,
stereo, and phones)...
> Since you can't (usefully) take a soldering iron to an emulator, it
> explains why I am not interested in them.
Isn't rosin (ersin) carcinogenic? Just kidding!
> > I confess I don't like that- the Classic Computers for which I
> > lust the most will forever remain inaccessible (and few examples
>
> You can probably gather from the above that I don't like it either! Sure,
> _I_ am interested in the hardware, but this list would be very boring if
> all memeber were like me. I feel that this list should cover other
> aspects of classic _computing_. Yes, keep the hardware repair and
> preservation (the bits I am interested in), but also include stuff on
> emulators, programming techniques for the older machines, software
> preservation, and everything else related to _computing_ 10 years or more
> ago.
Again, I didn't want you to feel picked-upon. However, for each of us
who posts, I'd bet there are ten who don't. Of those of us who do post,
each of us appears to represent yet a different facet of this interest
area. You post a lot, and I believe, whether you realize it or not,
that you represent a viewpoint held by many subscribers. In siezing
upon your words, I was really trying to focus on one particular
viewpoint, in order to place it in comparison and contrast with a
different viewpoint.
> > So, I think the formal name and the charter of this group should
> > change to reflect an interest in Class Computing. The only real
>
> I am assumeing that's a typo for 'Classic Computing'. In which case you
> have my vote...
@*#$^@*#& Where's that damned DWIM keyboard when I need it??? ;-)
> > change would be that discussions about the eumlators and simulators
> > would no longer be OT unless they drift into details of programming
> > the emu/simulators themselves. Additionally, more detailed discussions
>
> Why the last exclusion? I've never heard of a discussion on how to
> diagnose hardware faults using modern test equipment being branded as
> off-topic. Nor using modern parts to repair old machines. Nor using
> modern machines as an aid to restoring/preserving old hardware. Why
> should writing emulators be any different.
It can quickly degenerate into "this version of GCC does <x> but
doesn't do <yz>"... most of the sims are relying on GCC for portability.
Or, do we build it as one huge monolithic source, or modularize the
source? Separate execution modules running as native processes, or
one big carefully-coded "superloop" that polls everything?
For that level of discussion, it may prove beneficial to have
a mailinglist dedicated to emulator/simulator theory. But if
there is insufficient interest to mandate a separate list, ok,
this is as fine a place as any for the discussions.
> I don't particularly want to see complete listings for emulators (many
> megabytes of C source) posted here, but certainly techniques for writing
> them could be classed as on-topic, I think.
Agreed... -dq
Rumor has it that David Woyciesjes may have mentioned these words:
>Rich ---
> Actually, my time estimate was a little wrong. The messages take
>about an hour and a half...
[snip]
I've not seen lags anywhere near that -- mebbe 5-10 minutes at most. My
Eudora checks mail every 4 minutes, and it's usually 2 checks & it's there.
Methinks it might be something on your end... Have you called your ISP?
I'll time this one and see what I end up with...
HTH,
"Merch"
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
> What really puts me off emulators is that they're so awfully lame. How can
an
> emulator be lame? Well, it's not as much the emulators as the crowd
> surrounding them. They're usually Win#? kids who know nothing about old
> computers, really don't care, and just want games, games, games, all for
free.
Apples and oranges, Iggy. That's a totally different emulator world
than the one I'm talking about. In the world I'm talking about, I
don't think anyone creating emulators is under 40 years of age
(well, Daniel Seagraves is under 40, I think).
However, MAME32 which I assume is one of the game emulators to
which you're referring, is well-constructed. And since the mainframe
that I'm working to emulate had a vector graphics display as its
system console, rather than reinvent the wheel, I intend on using
the MAME32 codebase to build the CDC 6602/6612 display console
emulator.
This is a serious project that will be able to run all the
operating systems and product set software that the real iron
was running in 1976.
Eventually, it will even have emulated card readers and punches;
a web page will provide the user the ability to create what appear
to be perfect IBM unit-records (punch cards), in the form of an
image, then the punched card will go into a visually-represented
deck. Then, you'll be able to grab the deck with the mouse, with
the pointer changing into a hand, as you drop the deck into the
image of a card reader. The job will then be read by the emulated
mainframe, and processed until completion.
Simulated lineprinters will be constructed using captured images
of the actual "fonts" used by the printer (chain, band, etc). I
may even include an option for greenbar paper.
But ultimately, my underlying motivation is the same as the
"game-kiddi3s" to which you refer: they can't afford the real
thing, and neither can I. If I owned the mainframe of my
choice, running it for a single week could consume my entire
year's salary.
Now, I don't want to dissuade you from your opinion. But I
think perhaps you hadn't thought about emulators in the
broader context to which I'm referring...
Regards,
-dq
