test-drb June 2001

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by Innfogra＠aol.com

> Tek > 4115B systems for sale cheap ... what's the difference between them and > are they worth "cluttering up" my storage area with. He indicated they > were large & heavy!! > The Tek 4115Bs were an early engineering workstation based on the intel 8086 processor. The 412X series were based on the 80286 processor otherwise they were basically the same chassis. Up to 8 planes of color graphics with it's own memory. I believe the monitors were 1280X1024 and extremely heavy, about 120 pounds each it seems. Some of the 4129s came with Sony Trinitrons. You often cannot tell a 4115 from a 4129 without looking at the card set, they were upgraded so often. The upgrades are listed as obscure option numbers on the component plate. You cannot tell the model from any numbers on the monitors. Most of the ones I have seen have 4115 on the monitor but could be up to 4129s inside. Some of the "B" model monitors while the same case are of different configuration? cabling? frequency? I know there is some difference but my manuals are not accessible. There is also a weight difference. The "B" monitors were about 100 pounds instead of 120 pounds. The CPU came in two styles the Plain and the "B" (i.e., 4115"B"). The Plain looked like a desk with room for this large monitor. The front of the CPU cabinet extended out for a keyboard shelf with feet and bad casters extending out in front. This part of the case with cards and drives may weigh about 150 pounds. The "B" model was a largish deskside rollaround about 14" wide X24"high X32" deep on casters, weight about 100 pounds. Not a bad box for a collectable workstation. It is shippable too. The monitor was same as the 4115 with the noted "B" exceptions and meant to sit on a table or desk and connect with the CPU by cables. As to shipping weights a Plain with monitor & keyboard is about 270-300 pounds and a pure "B" is about 220-230 pounds. As to drives, the 41XX came with one or two 8" DSDD floppy drives. There was a 10 meg 8" HD option that was very rare. I have seen & sold over 30 of these systems and have never seen the Hard Drive option. The "B" model hides the drives behind a front tiltdown shelf. I like that design. The "plain" has both drives laying flat side by side across the front above the keyboard shelf. Needless to say you need the matching Tek keyboards. There were two kinds. One with a standard D (9/15 pin???) for the 411Xs and one with a round connector for the 412Xs. Other options available were digitizing tablets, a joystick, 1, 2, 4 & 8 plane color graphics, a tiling card set for the 4129, a 3 serial port option, hard drive interface, and more. If you find a "B" with an HD save it. I think they are rare....and nice. I bet there is software among the list members. You can ship a "B" in two Boxes and get it under the UPS limit of 150 pounds. I have done that. The original "plain" uprights have to be palletized with care. If the monitor is shipped in it's normal configuration, on top, it has a lot of inertia and has to be restrained by more than lots of shrink wrap. Even though it weighs 120 pounds it loves to slide around. Careful packing with heavy cardboard is essential here. I have some circuit cards for the Tek 41xx series that I am interested in parting with if anyone out there is interested. Paxton Astoria, Oregon P. S; The bad news is that these have a fair amount of Aluminum, Mu and gold in them so a scrapper tends to look at them as valuable but work to get apart. The cards in the early 4115s are heavy with silicon and gold and are worth about $2 per pound.

23 years, 2 months

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by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

For all that may be interested I started a DEC "BCxx" cable guide on my website. Its is an ongoing project that I hope to complete in a couple of weeks. Let me know what errors anyone may happen to find. I will scan all the data sheets that I currently have and add them to the index. I tried to balance download time over a 56k dialup with the scanning resolution/compression to something I hope is acceptable. www.webwirz.com Thanks, Brian. -- Brian Roth - System Administrator www.webwirz.com - Old Computer Repository Preoccupation is my main occupation.....

23 years, 2 months

on subject line

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

While I have no gripe with Amigas they are foreign to my expereince and collection. Being far from my expecience would make them a non-solution. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Ford <padf(a)ihug.co.nz> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, June 04, 2001 1:31 AM Subject: Re: on subject line >Gidday ajp166 > >On 04-Jun-01, you wrote: > >>> And what're all you ClassicCmpers doing reading e-mail on Windows PCs >> and >>> Macs anyhow? How embarassing. :-) >>> >>> -brian. > > >> Simple, other than PCs the only netable machines I have are, Vaxen, >> PDP-11s. Of those the PDP-11s really dont have a OS that supports IP networking >> and the vaxen are all serial consoles (no graphics). Doable on vaxen but not >> practical. > >> I might do it on a CP/M crate but then I need a PC to run PPOE to serial >> gateway. >> Its a matter of expediency and general need for modern compatability even >> if I hate PCs in general. > >You need an Amiga as a one stop solution. It's definitely classic, but >fully capable to 21st century standards. And the OS normally >impresses mini and mainframe freaks with it's economy, elegance and power. > >Regards >-- > *Patrick Ford Auckland, New Zealand* > */#icq#/ 51642681* >The Japanese call us lazy, but at least we cook our fish! > Support *Open Directory Project* NO banners, NO junk--just information. >*ODP *is built by volunteers and owned by the community . >-------> http://dmoz.org <-----------Check it out > > > > > >

23 years, 2 months

Wanted: Newer DEC serial terminals with PC-style keyboard

by INFOANM＠aol.com

Ive got VT420s for sale - some brand new. How many do you need? how much are you looking to pay? I also have disks, servers, printers etc... infoanm(a)aol.com 201-738-1703 USA

23 years, 2 months

Any Tektronix 4051, 5042, 4054, or 4662s or IBM 5100s out th ere?

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 6/4/01 6:57:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes: > What the heck is a 4025?? I might be interested it. My wife makes > frequent trips to KC. In fact, she's out there now. > > Joe > > At 09:49 AM 6/4/01 -0500, you wrote: > >I recovered a Tektronix 4025 that still had a 3M style cartridge tape in > the > >drive. Its a storage tube model, green screen and it works. The only > >problem is that the external case is missing. The keyboard and monitor > >bezel are there just the rest of the case is gone. I've had it in storage > The 4025 is a dumb terminal that Tektronix made with a separate keyboard. It did not have a tape drive IIRC, nor a storage tube. >From the description I thought it was a 4052 with the 2 & 5 transposed. I do that sometimes. As Joe and everyone who collects old Tek knows is that the cases are heavy high grade aluminum which are easy to clean and sell. Many of these computers are guts only by the time anyone gets to them. I sent one in similar condition to Joe a couple of years ago. Paxton Astoria, OR

23 years, 2 months

New finds - swap & question

by mbg＠world.std.com

Thanks very much... and I recently had my birthday as well... :-) my parents have told me that I'm officially middle-aged... <sigh> Megan

23 years, 2 months

Garage Cleaning

by lance＠costanzo.net

Rather that do what I should have been doing this afternoon, I went into the garage and tried to find some things to get rid of. First pass: about 50 pounds of manuals, (mostly HP-150), and 50 pounds of not interesting PC parts. Only offered to this mailing list. I want beer money for them. Details, photos, etc: http://www.kzin.com/trader Lance.

23 years, 2 months

RM Nimbus PC1

by witchy＠vorbis.demon.co.uk

Hi folks, I remember a discussion on here a few months ago about Intel 80186 machines and one of the better ones was the RM (Research Machines) Nimbus PC1, which was also known for having a PicoNet port as well as a largely unknown 'network' port. I came across 2 of these today in a junk shop that haven't got the 'network' port but they *have* got everything else. Anyone interested in them? One has a keyboard but the other doesn't. Looking at it though I suspect a bog-standard IBM-compatible keyboard will do the trick - I can try it if anyone shows interest. There's pix of a PC1 on the museum site below, just follow the links to the Research Machines page. cheers! adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Online Computer Museum 0:OK, 0:1

23 years, 2 months

New finds - swap & question

by mbg＠world.std.com

Sorry for that mail to the list... I hadn't read it closely and though it was private... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

23 years, 2 months

you vs. museums

by Demon02554＠aol.com

>> just a short note here saying how much I appreciate >> Microsoft... i hope i'm detecting a slight tone of sarcasm...(or more preferably a really heavy one)

23 years, 2 months

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test-drb June 2001