Hello all, does anyone know what parameters I need to give to
SYS$STARTUP:GKSTARTUP.COM to tell it that I'm doing graphics on a VT
terminal rather than on a frame buffer?
--Chuck
On Apr 8, 18:02, Iggy Drougge wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, Mark Green wrote:
>
> > THe keyboards are non-standard, so its a good thing you found them.
>
> What does a "standard" keyboard look like?
Ha! Good question. What Mark probably means is a PS/2 keyboard, which
later SGIs use. Suns, however, also use proprietary keyboards and mice
(unique serial protocol), at least until recently -- the new SunBlades are
USB-only. Yuk.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
On Apr 8, 13:11, Joe wrote:
> At 03:12 PM 4/7/01 -0400, Dave McGuire wrote:
> > What about the NEWER "good" stuff?
>
> Like what? Even SGI is going to WinBlows/Intel platforms.
Is it? I've seen precisely one SGI Wintel box (which got sent back), and
the CEO who introduced that idea has gone. Most of what SGI seems to be
doing now is firmly back in the MIPS/IRIX camp, I'm glad to say. With a
generous dose of Linux. How far it'll go is anybody's guess, of course.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
On April 8, Joe wrote:
> >> > For those of us who care about the quality of what we put on our
> >> >desktops (and in our computer rooms), this is pretty frightening.
> >>
> >> Yeap, you'd better grab the older "good" stuff while you can.
> >
> > What about the NEWER "good" stuff?
>
>
> Like what? Even SGI is going to WinBlows/Intel platforms.
Yeah, they've been saying that for years. I don't know of anyone
who's bought one.
I'm partial to Alphas, myself, aside from SGIs...
-Dave McGuire
>Nope, we intend to keep everything from you young whipper-snappers. Your
>first history lesson is to understand that computers used to sit behind
>big panes of glass, accessible only to the priesthood that maintained
>them. You communed with them only through a small hole where you passed
>your punched cards and got your results back (usually just error
>messages).
>So too it is with computer history. You can only have access to the
>knowledge we pass to you through the little hole in the window. Do not
>try to subvert our authority or we will find it fit to smite thee.
>And let's just get one thing straight, you were either born to compute or
>you ended up being some post-degree market-molded wannabee nerd who
>couldn't get a job in your chosen profession and just jumped on the
>bandwagon during the great Internet bubble economy of the late 1990s and
>"became" a programmer.
>So it is not true that "gurus were neophytes once". Gurus are born,
>not made.
>Ah, nothing like a good rabble rousing to start a Sunday morning.
>Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
Festival
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
>International Man of Intrigue and Danger
http://www.vintage.org
well....there werent always punchcards....my grandfather once let me see a
"supercomputer" that was programmed entirely by pushing switches....
anyways...im 16....i've been into computers since i was about a year
old....have been a "programmer" since i was 5 and discovered BASIC...now im
more into figuring out hardware design and all that fun stuff....
but the gurus should be nicer to us cause there are more of us than there are
of them....and if need be i'll go find the info i need on my own...its
amazing what you can do when you dont have a girlfriend or much life outside
of school....heh
Robert Cobbins
On Apr 7, 23:31, Tony Duell wrote:
> Incidentally, is the ESDI spec
> available anywere (or at least a signal description)?
I'v not looked for whole spec recently, but the pinout is available at
http://www.u-net.com/mike/techref/iopin.txt (about 1/3 of the way down the
page) and also in "the hardware handbook" website at
http://www.hardwarebook.net/
However, you need to take a little care with some of the pinouts listed
there, as they're not all "official", some are just what people have found
to work in particular circumstances (eg, some of the "null modem" cables").
Didn't Aaron Finney have ESDI amongst his pinout list collection? And what
happened to that, anyway? His web page at
http://www.prinsol.com/classiccmp/ seems to have disappeared.
> > However, some PC controllers only support two drives (another legacy of
the
> > IBM PC BIOS) and of course they use drives 1 and 2. Therefore, some PC
> > manufacturers suggest using a cable with a twist, to swap pins 26 and
28
> > (DS1 and DS2), leaving the select jumpers the same on both drives.
I've
> > never seen a cable with a twist on a "real" ESDI system.
>
> I wondered about that, too (it was an obvious way for a twist to be able
> to swap drives 1 and 2). I assume from this that the drive select lines
> are not used as data lines for anything else, then (unlike SCSI, say,
> where the same 8 lines are used both to select a particular unit and to
> transfer commands and data).
No, it's a pretty low-level interface, like ST506/412. I read somewhere
that it was designed as an enhanced/faster ST412 interface, possibly by
Maxtor and Miniscribe, and I think Maxtor used to have some information on
their website. All I can find now, though, is a line in their glossary.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
> I thought we were all kids here :-). Just that our toys are a little more
complicated than average....
too true my friend....too true...but i suppose i should have asked
minors....heh
Robert Cobbins
Does anyone know if replacements are avaliable for the filter capacitors on
the mains section of the PDP 8/E power supply ?
I've got 3 supplies, and all of them trip the ground fault protection switch
when switched on....
Jos Dreesen
On April 7, Joe wrote:
> > For those of us who care about the quality of what we put on our
> >desktops (and in our computer rooms), this is pretty frightening.
>
> Yeap, you'd better grab the older "good" stuff while you can.
What about the NEWER "good" stuff?
It seems that Bill Gates has the world convinced that PeeCees are
the only computers that are currently produced, and that everything
else is discontinued. It's gotten to the point where, on current (or
relatively recent) hardware, the questions I hear from people speak of
them in the past tense..."what os DID they run?" or "what WAS their
list price?"...even for machines whihch are being sold brand-new
today, but just aren't crappy "more MEGAHURTS!" Intel toys.
-Dave McGuire
