I scrounged a copy of the RTE OS for the hp21xx computers, but it is
in some strage archive format with the extension ".fst" -- this is
apparently
much like tar, but my sun version of tar doesn't uunpack it well (to say
the least :-)... Does anyone know of either a version of the archive
program
for this format that I could build on a UNIX box, or the format of the file
so that I could unpack it?
Thanks much,
Bill McDermith
Have any of you Houston folks looked around for similar groups in your
area? A quick Google search of my (Orlando) area found an Apple II group
and an IBM PC group, both of which hold monthly meetings. There are
probably similar groups in your area where you might meet vintage computer
people (other than those on this list).
Glen
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OK, the last part of my shipment just showed up, the Papertape reader. I'd
thought the PC04 was a reader/punch. Am I correct in my revised
assumption, that it came in three models; reader/punch, reader, and punch?
Now for the first question, should there be anything on the right side
(looking from the front) if it's only a reader? For some reason I've a bad
feeling that I don't have a complete reader...
On a positive note, the PDP-8/E looks to be in *far* better shape than I'd
been lead to believe, so hopefully I'll be able to get it up and running
with minimal effort (I could be so lucky). Though it's large enough I'm
very tempted to transplant pieces into my PDP-8/M and put the /E in storage.
Also I got a terrific looking pile of documenation and Volume 3 of the
hardware manuals is twice the size of the copy I already had. Most of the
manuals are ones I didn't have, and I've finally got a printset :^)
Zane
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In a message dated 12/3/2001 3:49:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
csmith(a)amdocs.com writes:
<< Probably RJ45. It is for a friend's machine, though, so I'll have to
check.
I have gotten an offer of an RJ45 board via email, though, if that's the
case.
RE: looking for MCA NIC...
why not look on ebay? always some listed there and cheap too.
> From: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com>
> Hmm...come to think of it, I have a genuine Radio Shack 5.25" head
> cleaning kit...I think I'll put it up on eBay and see how I do! 8-)
Shoot, man, I've got a case of the things (I'd never use one myself, of
course).
Wait, that means I'm rich! RICH! RICHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
Glen
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On Dec 3, 21:50, Tony Duell wrote:
> 'Bubble Sort' has nothing to do with bubble memory. Bubble sort is a
> well-known, very poor, sorting algorithm -- so poor that one book I have
> contains the quote (from memory) 'If you know what a bubble sort is, wipe
> it from your mind. If you don't, make a point of never finding out' :-)
I don't know which book that was, but actually a bubble sort is one of the
most efficient for things that are already nearly in order, or for small
lists. Which is one reason it's used as part of some other algorithms.
Definitely not for large random sets, however.
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On Dec 3, 15:09, Christopher Smith wrote:
> "Let A[1:n] be an array of n numbers.
>
> ...
>
> Make repeated sweeps over the array A[1:n] from left to right. Upon
> detecting any adjacent pair of numbers A[i] and A[i+1] not in proper
order,
> exchange them A[i] <-> A[i + 1]. When a pass is completed with no
exchanges
> having been made, the process terminates.
Hmm, well, that's (almost) the worst example I've ever seen :-)
You're supposed to stop one position shorter each time, because by the end
of the sweep, the largest (or smallest, depending on which way you do the
comparison-and-swap) number has fallen to the bottom (end) of the array.
It makes a big difference to the time it takes.
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On Dec 3, 20:21, Matt London wrote:
> > No, that does not soud correct.
> > The external SCSI-Connector (if you have one) on a MV3100 is a rather
> > small, 68-PIN-HD-like connector, comparable to modern SCSI-III
> > connectors.
> Just my 2p's worth, but, my MV3100/m10e has a 50 pin centronics SCSI
> connector - it's hooked into the scsi bus, I can see that by looking at
it
> - the cable connecting it has my 2nd internal HDD attached :&)
As does mine, model no. DV31AT1A.
> I also have the serial port option, which is a 37pin centronics.
I think you mean 36-pin :-)
> (Oh, what's the 50 pin HD-DB type connector? line-printer?)
Good question :-)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Franchuk [mailto:bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca]
> Christopher Smith wrote:
> > I took the question a different way. As I interpreted it,
> the computers
> > were supposed to be "significant" in terms of design. The
> IBM PC wasn't.
> > It was pretty much all re-hash of something else.
> Well when I first saw a PC ( clone that is ) , I thought
> "WOW A real keyboard, good display ( Upper / Lower Case )
> and dual floppies all in one box". 512K ram max sounded
> like a lot of memory too. Compared to the 8 bit toy market
> at the time Z80's,C64's,Coco's that was a lot of power.
> It was the small 16 bit addressing that killed the 8 bitters.
May have been unusual at the time. I doubt it was the first machine to have
any of that. A VAX-11/750 with a vt-100, for instance, would have had all
that less the dual-floppies and with a much higher maximum RAM limit ;)
Seriously, though, some older CP/M boxes also had real keyboards, decent
displays and dual floppies. (Some of which was optional, mind you... as were
_any_ floppies on the PC, AFAIK, in that you bought them separately :) Also
you could say that it was the first available 16-bit home computer
(depending on your definition of 16-bit), but you'd be wrong... (Quick
search says that several people believe this was the TI-99, actually, which
also had a real keyboard, and could have had the dual floppies)
Ultimately, the 32-bit systems were pretty close on its heels -- I have a
timeline that places the PC in '82, and the Apple Lisa in '83. I don't know
if this is correct...
I have no idea how the peesee actually lasted as long as it has. There were
several 32-bit systems on the market by 1984 or so (though, my personal
favorite was done in '87 with the Acorn Archimedes).
Regards,
Chris
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