test-drb September 2000

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OT: MS Future (Was: RE: Computer Market Phases & a vision of the future)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I see the loss of Microsoft as the industry leader, because of the > anti-trust breakup. Nah... The Supreme Court bounced it back into the D.C. Court of Appeals, and the D.C. Court of Appeals hates Judge Jackson worse than everyone hates MS, so it's lookin' pretty good for 'ol BG.

23 years, 10 months

Computer Market Phases (Was: Our fine educational system (was : Login on VMS))

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Phase III - Characterized by the start of LSI. Hardware costs were > > still high and operating systems were mostly bundled. Volume was > > still low in most cases - up to about 1985 - IBM was still the major > > player, but no longer so dominant > > MSDOS wasn't available separate from the hardware until much later. > I remember running a copied version of DOS on a brand new '286 clone > I built from parts purchased from Jameco. I searched high and low, > and couldn't find MSDOS unbundled anywhere. This was about a year or > so after the '286 was released (early '90s? I don't remember) Also not quite right... alhtough it certainly wasn't a shrink-wrapped product, you could purchase MS-DOS without hardware by buying the Binary Adaptation Kit. These were available from at least MS-DOS 1.25, and maybe for MS-DOS 1.1 as well. Pretty cool, you got .OBJ files (or were they still .REL files?) for most of DOS, and source for drivers and utilities (ANSI.SYS and PRINT.COM come to mind). regards, -doug q

23 years, 10 months

It runs!

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

I'm just a bit confused - I don't remember 'em over here in't UK and I've been in the DEC arena since 1984.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Lane [mailto:kyrrin@bluefeathertech.com] > Sent: 27 September 2000 15:01 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: It runs! > > > At 09:44 27-09-2000 +0100, Adrian wrote: > > >MicroVAX III? > > Yeppers. KA650 CPU, DEC codename 'Mayfair.' Wonderful > board, quite a bit > faster than an MV-II (KA630). They run NetBSD quite well. > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > -=-=-=-=- > Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies > http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com > Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K) > "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living > thing in our > own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..." >

23 years, 10 months

Finds at Computer Parts Barn

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

At 08:59 PM 9/26/00 -0400, Jeff wrote: >But that is only for the computer, often without mice/keyboards and >definitely without the 19" color monitor. The monitors are worth quite a >bit still today. Actually DEC fixed frequency monitors are usually free here on the west coast. Nobody wants 'em since they can't be used with anything else. A nice Viewsonic with dual ports (one for the VAX one for the PC!) gets top dollar. >If breaks down to something like $150 or $200 for the >machine and periperals, Again, its rare that a complete computer + 48M + disk goes for more than $150 on Ebay. > and $100 or $150 for the monitor. However you >break it down, Mice/Keyboards add another $15 - $20. >$300 for a complete, tested system is a good deal. This certainly carries some weight, especially if Ed is willing to warrant that the systems will function after they arrive for some period of time. My only comment was that these are Ebay prices, and often such prices aren't "deals". (A deal is when the message comes across the list 'Free, if you pick 'em up!', that's a deal) So "missing out" on Ed's offer isn't like you won't get a 4000/60 anytime soon, just buy one off Ebay. It is cheap if you look at what the DEC resellers want but that is a totally different market/mindset (and you usually get some support from the reseller) Please don't take this as a negative, it can be feedback for Ed if you choose, but it is always interesting to hear that systems are available. --Chuck

23 years, 10 months

Free to a good home: HP Paintjet XL - A classic

by whdawson＠mlynk.com

Complete. Original manuals, manual holder, brush, original drivers disk. Clean. Very good condition. What more can I say? Oh, yeah, desirous person pays shipping from Washington, PA 15301. Please contact me off list if interested. Bill whdawson*at*mlynk.com ? Your computer will do far more than you ever expected it to, and that won't be enough. Pournelle's First Law

23 years, 10 months

Got my PDP-11/34! Now what?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 26, Owen Robertson wrote: > All right. I'll start identifying the boards right now. I spent two months > checking the CPU over before I ever powered it up. I haven't turned on the > drives yet. Where on the internet can I find a site that will help me ID the > cards? http://world.std.com/~mbg/pdp11-field-guide.txt -Dave McGuire

23 years, 10 months

what is a GRiD 2270?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

Saw this grid in a thrift store. I think it's a 2270 model. Its looks like a tablet computer with a flip up LCD and no keyboard. It also appears to have serial/VGA connectors and a pc card slot. any more details on it? DB Young ICQ: 29427634 hurry, hurry, step right up! see the computers you used as a kid! http://www.nothingtodo.org

23 years, 10 months

TI Explorer...

by mlnealey＠earthlink.net

Hi All, I have a need for info on the TI Explorer. Anyone have anything on this? It was an add in LISP board for Mac computers. I am specifically looking for docs and any software. Thanks! Mike N.

23 years, 10 months

I got married!

by dburrows＠netpath.net

>Chrissy me branded with the wedding date and her birthday just before the >honeymoon. Ouch! No the real ouch comes when you forget one of them.:) I speak from experience (ex-wife) My present wife and I have both forgotten out wedding date until a week or 2 later. Dan

23 years, 10 months

Tracy Kidder

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: THETechnoid(a)home.com <THETechnoid(a)home.com> >Ooops. I guess I figured that Tracy was a lady's name. I should get a >copy. It has been some twelve years since I last read it. > >Regards, > >Jeff His full name on the cover is John Tracy Kidder... Allison

23 years, 10 months

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