test-drb September 2000

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405 discussions

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Kevin- > > Have you found something to soothe the classic computer beast within? Ah, sh*t, did it again, sorry everyone... -dq

23 years, 10 months

Our fine educational system (was: Login on VMS)

by geoff＠pkworks.com

> >> Ah, well, I don't know about his mouth, but for awhile there several >> non-stupid things came off his drawing pencil. It's kind of tough for a > >You mean Gordon Bell's pencil :) Now, now, don't get me started on this path, please!

23 years, 10 months

Getting out of touch (was Re: Our fine educational system (was: Login on VMS))

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

>Interestingly, Sun now sits where DEC was (their own CPU >architecture/busses + OS) and so they are very vulnerable to someone to >come along and kill them with open software based X86 servers. > >--Chuck Geez makes me wonder why they bought Cobalt!!! Francois

23 years, 10 months

Our fine educational system (was: Login on VMS)

by geoff＠pkworks.com

Ah, well, I don't know about his mouth, but for awhile there several non-stupid things came off his drawing pencil. It's kind of tough for a person who has built a multi-billion-dollar company from scratch over 20 years to realize, let alone admit, that the magic may well have moved on, and that then-current realities may be different from those abroad in "The Good Old Days." Ken's quote is a particularly egregious example of this problem, but the thinking behind it was not unique to him, as anyone who's worked for the now-defunct Massachusetts minicomputer makers can surely attest. That mode of thinking, if not about that particular topic, is afoot today in Silicon Valley, and ten-odd years >from now we'll look back in scorn at the obviously self-evident stupidity of industry pundits currently acknowledged as geniuses. As Yogi Berra is purported to have said, "It's tough to predict, especially the future." -----Original Message----- From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Our fine educational system (was: Login on VMS) >On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Bill Pechter wrote: > >> "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in their >> home." >> -- Ken Olson, President of DEC, World Future Society >> Convention, 1977 >> -+-+=-+- >> >> ...and then again there's the following. (Both quotes are in my >> FreeBSD box MOTD as a reminder. >> >> One of the questions that comes up all the time is: How >> enthusiastic is our support for UNIX? ><...> >> >> -- Ken Olsen, president of DEC, DECWORLD Vol. 8 No. 5, 1984 > >Did anything ever come out of Ken Olsen's mouth that was not very stupid? > >Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger >----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- >Looking for a six in a pile of nines... > > VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 > San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California > See http://www.vintage.org for details! >

23 years, 10 months

[OT] Paypal

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I sell stuff on eBay and have sold stuff to many on this list. PayPal doesn't work for me. Closing my warehouse put me deeply in debt and as a result I don't have and can't get a checking account. PayPal will send me a check but then I have to use a check cashing service which costs me 10%. I have been requesting USPS and Western Union money orders because they are the only instruments that do not cost me a percentage to cash. I have recently had my international and national customers use a service called BidPay (www.bidpay.com). They pay by credit card and BidPay sends me a Western Union money order. Recently Fred Meyer, who is a Western Union agent, has set up a policy of not cashing money orders that come from more than one hundred miles away. I am contesting this with Western Union and Fred Meyer. My alternative is to go back to my check cashing service which charges 10% to cash money orders. I am considering having to further restrict payment to just USPS money orders because of some of these restrictive policies. I am writing this to show there are many reasons why there are restrictions on payments. I am a good finder of equipment. The Ebay feedback rating system is very important. My feedback is 98 at the moment and is full of excellent comments. Check the feedback. If the person has a long run of good feedback the risk goes way down. Ask questions. A good seller doesn't mind answering. If you don't have credit it is tough to do business in this world. I am planning on selling a more S100 cards and DEC cards in the near future. Keep an eye on my seller's name "Innfosale." I love the list. It is always interesting. Paxton Portland, OR eBay seller "innfosale"

23 years, 10 months

PDP-11/34A help needed

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

OK, Since there has been all this 11/34 discussion lately, maybe I can get some help with mine? Here's the config: 11/34A CPU, FP11-F (I think thats the right name for the FPP), KY11-LA (non-keypad front panel), DL11-W, M9301-YB boot loader, RK11-D, RK05F, RK05J (no packs!), 128KW total memory (4 16K boards, and one 64K board, all are variations of MS11-?), M9302 (of course), 861C power controller, and I think an H960 or whatever rack. OK, first off, which power supply modules would go in the PSU and where? BTW, the 11/34A I have is the big one, it uses a BA11-A.. Second, anyone have a nice DL11-W cable that I could use to connect it to a VT220 or something? Third, does anyone have any spare RK05 packs? Fourth, this may be a dumb question, but which way should the grant continuity cards face, i.e. should the fingers face toward the right (the side the other boards face toward if you stand directly in front of the beastie.) Finally, does anyone have any manuals they can loan me, copy for me, part with, etc.? All I have is the RK05/RK05J/RK05F Maintenance Manual, which is about totally useless right now. And all DEC seems to have available is the 11/34 Illustrated Parts Breakdown... Oh yeah, could also use the top trim panel for the rack ;p Will J _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

23 years, 10 months

Computer Kit / Plans

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

I'm interested if nobody else is Francois -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 12:30 PM Subject: RE: Computer Kit / Plans > >Kevin- > >Have you found something to soothe the classic computer beast within? > >I have an unfinished Sol motherboard & documentation available. > >The motherboard actually appears to have been finished, when some >previous owner decided to unsolder the connectors from the board; >however, most all the IC sockets are still in place. > >Since the docs include theory-of-operation, you should be able to >make a working Sol out of this- except, of course, it does not >come with a case, keyboard, or power supply. > >Interested? > >regards, >-doug q

23 years, 10 months

Ride Needed from Davis, CA to VCF 4.0

by epgroot＠ucdavis.edu

I am going to the Vintage Computer Festival Sep 30 - Oct 1, but like a true Davis resident I have no car, only a bike. Anyone heading west on I-80 to VCF who wants a like-minded driving companion please contact me. Davis is just west of Sacramento. I'd be willing to pay for gas, or barter some PDP/LSI-11 peripherals for your troubles! Regards, Edwin

23 years, 10 months

pdp-11/44, free to good home

by mbg＠world.std.com

As always, contact the person listed at the end of the post, not me... - - - - - I have a PDP11X44 system. It is located in the Milwaukee, Wisconsin area. Free to a good home. PDP-11/44 42-inch cabinet FPP 2-TU58 tape drives 1.75 MB memory RH11 MASSBUS adapter RL11 controller DZ11 RP06 disk drive with 3 packs Please reply to: mazzoni(a)proconsys.com

23 years, 10 months

Sun 386i to give away

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Any takers? So, we're probably looking at a total shipping weight of 80 to 85 lbs? Overestimate, to be safe... If no one else has jumped on it, I'll look into shipping costs, and let you know whether or not I can afford to take it off of your hands, and use it for NetBSD here... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rich Lafferty [SMTP:rich@alcor.concordia.ca] > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 1:36 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Cc: port-sun3(a)netbsd.org; port-i386(a)netbsd.org > Subject: Sun 386i to give away > > I've got a Sun 386i that I rescued from the dumpster sitting here > taking up precious space. I originally thought I'd grab some disk for > it and play with it, but, well, spare time and all that. > > It has the following cards: > > 540-1062-01 (Framebuffer) > 555-1006-01 (?) > 501-1423 (Memory, populated by 270-1394's) > 501-1244 (?) > > It has no disk. It also has the storage expansion that clips on top, > but that is also empty of disks and tape, and is missing its side > panel. The floppy drive is still there, though. :-) > > I have full documentation for this guy, including all original > manuals, the full users' and programmers' documentation sets which > cover slightly more than just this machine, much of the promotional > materials for it and for the parts it at one point was accompanied by, > plus most of the purchase orders for it. I've also got a bunch of QIC > media with SunOS and OpenWindows. > > It's taking up room here, and since I haven't done anything with it > yet, I suspect I never will. It's free to whoever wants it; they'll > have to pick it up or pay for shipping -- or, if you're a BSD person > thinking about a port, talk to me. The machine itself weighs 45 lbs, > the expansion unit 25 lbs, and the documentation, um, weights as much > as a square foot of paper weighs, times three. :-) I do ask that > anyone interested take at *least* the main box and one box of > documentation (with the brochures, main manuals, and purchase order > history). > > Shipping would be from Montreal, Quebec. > > -Rich > > -- > ------------------------------ Rich Lafferty --------------------------- > Sysadmin/Programmer, Instructional and Information Technology Services > Concordia University, Montreal, QC (514) 848-7625 > ------------------------- rich(a)alcor.concordia.ca ----------------------

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test-drb September 2000