*grin*. Like those quotes....
Didn't Ken also say "The future of computing is not on the desktop" thus
sending Mr. Gates to IBM? He's also said something about U**x being the
'snake oil' of computing but I can't remember that one.
a
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Pechter [mailto:pechter@pechter.dyndns.org]
> Sent: 25 September 2000 13:43
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Our fine educational system (was: Login on VMS)
>
>
> > Your right, that is lame.
> >
> > Oh, the biggest peice of foot I ever ate... small computers
> will never
> > be as prolific as they are. However, despite that I was
> designing with
> > 8008 in '73, it was interesting (and that golden opportunity).
> >
> > Allison
> >
> >
> >
>
> You're in good company:
>
> Don't forget Ken Olson's comment on personal computers back
> in the same
> time period.
>
>
> "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in their
> home."
> -- Ken Olson, President of DEC, World Future Society
> Convention, 1977
> -+-+=-+-
>
> ...and then again there's the following. (Both quotes are in my
> FreeBSD box MOTD as a reminder.
>
> One of the questions that comes up all the time is: How
> enthusiastic is our support for UNIX?
> Unix was written on our machines and for our machines many
> years ago. Today, much of UNIX being done is done on our machines.
> Ten percent of our VAXs are going for UNIX use. UNIX is a simple
> language, easy to understand, easy to get started with.
> It's great for
> students, great for somewhat casual users, and it's great for
> interchanging programs between different machines. And so,
> because of
> its popularity in these markets, we support it. We have
> good UNIX on
> VAX and good UNIX on PDP-11s.
> It is our belief, however, that serious professional users will
> run out of things they can do with UNIX. They'll want a
> real system and
> will end up doing VMS when they get to be serious about programming.
> With UNIX, if you're looking for something, you can easily and
> quickly check that small manual and find out that it's not
> there. With
> VMS, no matter what you look for -- it's literally a
> five-foot shelf of
> documentation -- if you look long enough it's there. That's the
> difference -- the beauty of UNIX is it's simple; and the
> beauty of VMS
> is that it's all there.
>
>
> -- Ken Olsen, president of DEC, DECWORLD Vol. 8
> No. 5, 1984
>
> -+-+=-+-
>
>
>
> Didn't Arthur C. Clarke make a comment as to if an old scientest says
> something is possible it probably is and if he says it's impossible it
> may not be.
>
> There's something to remember -- people in a field often get locked in
> to a certain view and can't see the changes that will happen (and in
> DEC's case run over it like a bus over some roadkill).
>
> Bill
> --
> bpechter(a)monmouth.com | Microsoft: Where do you want
> to go today?
> | Linux: Where do you want
> to go tomorrow?
> | BSD: Are you guys
> coming, or what?
>
I know that I will get a flame just for this inquiry, but here goes.
I found an article on eBay that I bid on and rather than sending
a Money Order, I thought I might try paypal? Can anyone
please comment? It seems reasonable from the outside as
compared to paying with a Money Order, but I thought that
asking first might help. Note that I am not comparing with
a process better than a Money Order since this vendor does
not accept a cheque, MC or VISA.
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
From: Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org>
>Oh, Windows ugh.. The 133 I've got's running Apache on FreeBSd as the
>dept. webserver.
Well the copmpany intranet was on a P133 (non mmx), P100-S running
NT3.51 with uptimes in the 6-8months range.
Do I like winders? W9x is crap and NT4 is not too bad. But if you
dealing with 40 clients that have useres that barely can run MSWord
never mind any unix. Running unix with win9x clints is a royal pain
for many apps and a blessing for others. Also it pays the bills.
My choice here is NT4 and it does work well for me. Linux hasn't
what I want as a desktop system just yet though Caldara
Openlinux2.3 is ok but it doesnt run GCADD6.1, Xylinx developer,
Delphi-5, or Paradox or MYZ80 for examples. If I needed something
I could run email, netscape WP-8 on, sure it's ok. IT's about
applications investment and database investment.
>Anyway... It did run Win95 on it until I gave it the BSD exorcism.
Likely the W9x tendancy to eat itself is why it needed BSD. ;)
I hate win9x.
Allison
From: THETechnoid(a)home.com <THETechnoid(a)home.com>
>Without bothering you all too much, I thought it might be worth knowing
>that Chrissy and I were married on Sept. 9 2000. It was a beautiful
>day/time and I love her very much.
Well I for one think that is so on topic that congrats are a must.
I do hope she supports your collecting.
>Preferably without hanging ourselves with folks trying to jumper thier
486
>boards with overdrive processors....
I have a few 386 boards that meet the 10 year rule. ;) They work too.
Allison
Well, I landed an HP 95LX. Naturally, it has no manual. What can you tell
me about it?
It has 512K of RAM, of which 256K seems to be used as a RAM disk, and the
sidecar PCMCIA slot has some RadioMail module loaded in it. What type
PCMCIA slot is it? What can I put in it?
It also came with a serial? cable terminating in an RJ-45.
How programmable is it? I was able to get a DOS prompt (3.22, shiver).
It also came with an Ericcson MobiDEM radio modem, but I'll bet it wouldn't
work even if the battery pack were charged. What can I do with this?
Nice system though!
--
----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ --
Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu
-- I must confess, I was born at a very early age. -- Groucho Marx ------------
I tried Paypal.. worked fine until I ran against the inconvienence of the
magical $$ limit. Then they wanted my bank info, I'm not giving that out.
I like the previously mentioned "free checking for life" idea, but it's
still a pain. I've been lucky and only had one problem making a purchase on
ebay, a problem with a dial on a old radio (but I can fix it).
As far as credit cards go... I don't use them on the internet. I use a
debit card that I "load up" as required. I also have the bank kill it and
issue a new one every once and a while.
Happy Computing.
-Joel
I have four 486 MB's, known to work, with various CPU's from 33 to
120MHZ, and varying memory configurations - most of the 4x30pin+2x72pin
variety, some are 8x30. Also included are a couple VLB Video cards and
one VLB IDE controller.
Please contact me off-list to arrange a pickup.
I came across this interesting page:
http://www.geocities.com/funmazer/
It describes the work one person did to make his own portable Atari 2600
gaming system for about $200. I thought the people here might appreciate
it.
-spc (Wouldn't mind having one of these ... )
From: Tim Harrison <harrison(a)timharrison.com>
>with management... something I think I should take lessons in :) ). The
>"operating systems" instructor was telling the class that OSs can't
>reside in ROM. As he said this, I sat back, held up my Palm, and
>smiled. He didn't.
Your kidding... boy he has no knowledge of the space program
(core rom ropes!). And has never seens a Epson PX-8 (cpm in rom!).
Feh!
Allison
From: Gary Hildebrand <ghldbrd(a)ccp.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
>>> interest in the VAX. But then again they have MS's while I have an AS
>>> degree, yet they seem to come to me to resolve weird problems. Could
it
that shouldn't limit you. During you time at dec some of the better VMS
people
Didn't even have degrees in computers or electronics!
the ability to discover, learn, understand and apply what you do know
is important.
>> Recently, I thought about going back and finishing high school, and
then
>> taking university courses, but at this stage of the game, people
aren't
>> looking at my academic record, as much as my ability to solve their
>> problems and work effectively and efficiently.
You can still go and learn just the degree thing is a PITA.
>All that degree really means is that you made it through 192 credit
hours of
>classes with a 2.0 or better GPA. It doesn't say you remembered any of
it.
And regurgatate what was required. Seriously, those that do have a lot
of things presented to them and the biggest is the tools needed to
explore.
I appreciate my college time even if I never did some of the bits needed
for the degree. It is a help with wading through network analysis and
project requiring dealing with transfer functions in loops and servo
systems.
In the end being willing to read and learn gave me breadth and depth
needed
to tackle a lot of things I'd never done before.
Allison
