test-drb June 2000

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by djg＠drs-esg.com

From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> >In the early-to-mid 1980s, Infocom used to offer a bunch of their games >for the PDP-11. Naturally I didn't get my first -11 until after that. >If anyone has a copy of Zork (or the other games) for the -11, I'd >certainly love to get a copy. > Amazon.com has witness for pdp-11 (64k) for only $69.95. I had remembered running across this a while ago but though it was Zork. Either they found a different one or (more likely) my memory is bad. Hardcover Disk edition (April 1984) Looks like it's their 828,139th best seller... David Gesswein

24 years, 1 month

Please confirm *old* Mac Rumors...

by mgregory＠vantageresearch.com

-----Original Message----- From: r. 'bear' stricklin <red(a)bears.org> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 10:55 AM Subject: Re: Please confirm *old* Mac Rumors... > >It is true. The keyboard which shipped with the Mac 128k did not have >cursor keys, and I'm fairly certain that there wasn't an option for same >until the Plus (when it may have become standard issue). > >ok >r. > Was this another "Steveism", like the lack of a fan, and the sealed, appliance-style case? I admire Jobs' vision (even if I don't necessarily agree with it), but his reality distortion field has produced some notably un-user-friendly decisions. Mark.

24 years, 1 month

Please confirm *old* Mac Rumors...

by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

>The Mac Plus on my desk right now has cursor keys. I've >heard that the 128k Mac (the very first model) had >neither cursor keys nor >the numeric keypad. > >I have an Apple /// at home which has special keys for >cursor movement. They auto-repeat quite slowly when held >down, but if you press a bit harder, the auto-repeat >speeds up. Rather a >nice idea, I thought. > >-- >John Honniball >Email: John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk >University of the West of England John is right. The keyboards on the Mac 128 & 512 have no arrow keys. I even have a "proper" keyboard (made by datadesk) that has arrow keys, but they don't work. So I suppose that the ROM has no support for the keys. ____________________________________________________________ David Vohs, Digital Archaeologist & Computer Historian. Home page: http://www.geocities.com/netsurfer_x1/ Computer Collection: "Triumph": Commodore 64C, 1802, 1541, FSD-1, GeoRAM 512, MPS-801. "Leela": Macintosh 128 (Plus upgrade), Nova SCSI HDD, Imagewriter II. "Delorean": TI-99/4A, TI Speech Synthesizer. "Monolith": Apple Macintosh Portable. "Spectrum": Tandy Color Computer 3. "Boombox": Sharp PC-7000. ____________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

24 years, 1 month

CDC 9" PA5N1F15 drive head locking. How?

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

AFAIK, MPI was a joint venture between Honeywell and CDC, but I could be wrong... Also, FSD = Fixed Storage Disk, aka Winchester.. those drives are very nice units... as are the later Sabre's that are half the size of the FSDs.. Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

24 years, 1 month

ADM's on list.

by aknight＠mindspring.com

Hi, I have one ADM-3A that is available for sale or trade. I don't have a price in mind but am certainly not looking for "eBay" amounts - I'd actually prefer a trade for some interesting old nixie-tube or HP calculator stuff or certain computer stuff that's on my "want" list (see my web page). The one I have is an off-white color, not light blue as some of them are. Please contact me ASAP if you're interested. Alex Knight Calculator History & Technology Museum Web Page http://aknight.home.mindspring.com/calc.htm - "want" list is at http://aknight.home.mindspring.com/wanted.htm At 04:37 PM 6/20/00 -0400, you wrote: >> Bill Sudbrink asks: >> How many {ADM-3A's} are out there, just on this list?

24 years, 1 month

Zork on Apple II, wanted for PDP-11 (was Re: Thrift Store find: Apple IIgs)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> wrote: > > and was able to boot up the > > only DOS 3.3 disk I could find - Zork I. > > Minor nitpick: Zork I doesn't use DOS of any version. It was originally > shipped on a bootable 13-sector diskette, and later on 16-sector, which > is what you have. True. Mea Culpa. I should have said, "the only Apple II bootable disk I have is..." > The earliest Zork I release was buggy as all heck. Once I managed to have > in my inventory about 20-30 "rooms". On an early version of Zork I for the C-64, I managed to "give me to the thief". Later on, in the strange passage, I saw "a cretin" sitting in the hallway. > In the early-to-mid 1980s, Infocom used to offer a bunch of their games > for the PDP-11. Naturally I didn't get my first -11 until after that. > If anyone has a copy of Zork (or the other games) for the -11, I'd > certainly love to get a copy. I remember seeing "Planetfall" up on the wall of the Digital Store in downtown Columbus when I was a kid. I knew who Digital was, but I didn't get my first Dec machine until I was 16 (a PDP-8/L that took two years to restore owing to a lack of docs). > The -11 processor would do a good job of implementing the Z-machine. I agree. They aren't much different from each other, architecturally. I've completely disassembled the C-64 version 1 engine, partially commented it and gotten it running on VICE with a VIC-20 and a BASIC 3.0 PET! If I ever had _way_ too much free time, I could probably craft a working engine for RT-11. I used to program that for a living, too, in a former life. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

24 years, 1 month

Did you see...

by foo＠siconic.com

Bill Sudbrink said: > > If you're wondering if they're rare, the answer is no, they are not. > > They're about as rare as Altairs, which by the way used to show up on > > eBay at least once a week. > > I would think that they are significantly more common than Altairs. > You wouldn't normally find 20 Altairs in a bank. My point was that they are not very rare at all and the person who paid $355 for one was, well, let's not get into that :) Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... Coming soon: VCF 4.0! VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details!

24 years, 1 month

More Stuff

by allisonp＠world.std.com

-----Original Message----- From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, June 19, 2000 3:06 PM Subject: Re: More Stuff >On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Tony Duell wrote: > >> I want one too!. I notice it didn't mention what CPU it used -- any >> ideas? Initially I guessed at the Z80, but I am now wondering if it's an >> 1802 or something odd... > >No menion in the ad. Maybe Allison knows. The kit was sold by Netronics, >the same people who sold the ELF II and Exlporer 85 kits. Netronics what? they only did the Explorer (8085) and the Elf (1802) anthing else were supporting boards for one or the other. Allison > >Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Looking for a six in a pile of nines... > > Coming soon: VCF 4.0! > VCF East: Planning in Progress > See http://www.vintage.org for details! > >

24 years, 1 month

Got some DecMate 1s!

by dlw＠trailingedge.com

WooHoo! I received two DecMate I systems today along with a Dec LetterPrinter 100 and an RX02 Dual Drive unit. I have some doc and software to go with them. Have to sort through it all. Problem is I promised my wife I'd go with her to the ball game tonight. Dang, now I can't check it all out until tomorrow evening. Oh well, at least this way she won't complain about having them around the house... not much anyway. Now the quest to get them up and running begins. Oh and thanks for getting the systems to me John, if you're still on the list. They arrived nicely packed and safe and sound. ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

24 years, 1 month

Zork on Apple II, wanted for PDP-11 (was Re: Thrift Store find: Apple IIgs)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> wrote: > I forgot to answer the other question: > > > So... now that I have two machines that want to have 3.5" drives and > > no copies of DOS 3.3 on that medium, is it possible to aquire it anywhere? > > I have Macs, etc., so I can make a 3.5" disk from an Apple disk image > > if that's what it takes. > > Apple never supported DOS on 3.5". There were some third-party hacks, but > I've never obtained copies. So how did the Apple IIc+ work? It has an internal 3.5" floppy. Did you have to have an external 5.25" drive to play old games, etc? -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

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