test-drb June 2000

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A little more Am2900 learning/evaluation kit info

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> -> While I'd really like to lay my hands on one of these, I > -> suppose if I wanted to get daring, I could just pull the > -> ROMs from the Prime and burn my own (The Prime CPUs were > -> built using the AM2900 family; > > Same as all the Microdata systems. Wasn't Prime also Pick based > systems? Prime sold a subsystem called Information which was more-or-less a clone of Pick, and from the mid-80s on, this may have been its best-selling product (I'm certain it was in the UK). But prior and subsequent to that, Primes were very prevalent as university timesharing systems, and laboratory support systems. The Primos operating system had its initial roots in an older OS they called DOS, which had some legacy from another Prime OS, RTOS, which in turn was a port or re-implementation of Olert/4 and/or SAMTRAN, a Honeywell Controls OS funded by NASA. Beginning with the P400 processor, Prime systems were 16-bit data/32-bit address versions of the Honeywell Multics architecture (which was 18-bit data/36-bit address). -doug q

24 years, 6 months

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

> > Every collector should have a will, and it should direct the > disposition of their collection. Maybe the disposition is "sell it on > eBay", maybe it's offer it on ClassicCmp", maybe it's "give it to > Stanford"...or ? Since my only family is my sister, I told her "Just think, one day all of this will be yours". To which she replied "Great... Which dumpster should I put it in?" Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

24 years, 6 months

DECassetes and HPIL/HPIB available

by schoedel＠kw.igs.net

NOTE: I am currently busy and will probably not reply promptly to email. To those already waiting for replies on other things, my apologies; I'll respond as soon as I get spare time. I have 200 DECassettes (TU-60 tapes) on hand; I want to keep a few in case I ever get a TU-60, but would like the others to find good homes. They are 'new' in sealed bags (though as they are obviously old magnetic media and I don't know how they have been stored, this is no guarantee they will be usable). Ideally I would like to trade the lot for something else interesting. The things I'm looking for that a TU-60 owner would be most likely to have available are an RL11 and RL02 packs, but if you want the tapes and have anything else to go, consider making an offer. Failing that, the tapes will be available for sale, to TU-60 users only, at some price not far above shipping cost. I also have a number of (used) HP-IL to HP-IB interfaces (HP 82169A) available. -- Kevin Schoedel <schoedel(a)kw.igs.net>

24 years, 6 months

A little more Am2900 learning/evaluation kit info

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Skimming through the databook again, I've found a little more > info on the Am2900 learning/evaluation kit. While I'd really like to lay my hands on one of these, I suppose if I wanted to get daring, I could just pull the ROMs from the Prime and burn my own (The Prime CPUs were built using the AM2900 family; some models had a writable control store; not my 2455, of course). In case anyone wonders why... it would be really cool to spend five years trying to redesign the Prime CPUs to eliminate the bugs that plagued so many of us for so long... Not much market for them, of course... -dq

24 years, 6 months

(Fwd) VAX 11/750

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

What is this HTML garbage?!? I'm responding to this over Yahoo and I'm stuck in this applet that wants to format my mail for me. :-P Anyway; I'm in Columbus and have already responded to this guy. I already have a couple of 11/750s (8Mb and 12Mb w/ various disks), so I'm not interested in shelling out a lot of coin for another, but I'll see what he wants for it before I decide what to do. -ethan David Williams <dlw(a)trailingedge.com> wrote: Well I'd LOVE to have this but can't arrange it right now so if anyone is interested please contact the person below. Damn, and I so want to play with VMS. ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Send reply to: "Lopez-Stickney" From: "Lopez-Stickney" Subject: VAX 11/750 Date sent: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:33:56 -0400 We have a VAX 11/750 system for sale (or trade) in Central Ohio. It includes the disk drive, printer, a DECwriter, manuals (boxes!!), and a variety of software. This lot fills a full-size Chevy van. If possible, the preference is to sell the whole thing. estickney Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger.

24 years, 6 months

Zork on Apple II, wanted for PDP-11 (was Re: Thrift Store find: Apple IIgs)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Jay Jaeger <cube1(a)home.com> wrote: > There is an alternative. Before Infocom was even formed, a DEC Field > Engineer person (I think fondly known as "The Translator") translated the > original MDL (pronounced "muddle") (which predates ZIL) into FORTRAN. Bob Supnik. He and I have worked together on his line of PDP emulator programs. I helped find a bug with the rp driver that surfaced when trying to run 2.9BSD on an emulated PDP-11. There was a poorly documented feature that writing to a read-only register would instigate an interrupt that was a critical feature of the device probing facet of the BSD startup sequence, but that is another story. > Playing one of these older versions would suit the vintage of your PDP-11 > better, IMHO, than running one of the later Infocom ZIL version (even > though those might be closer to the original source). True, but cooler than _that_ is to run *commercial* game software for the PDP-11. I've run the FORTRAN version on various ancient DEC machines. it's the version that is data-file-compatible with the later products that I really want to play with. -ethan (translator of the MDL sources to Inform - Grab a copy at http://penguincentral.com/retrocomputing/zdungeon/ ) ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

24 years, 6 months

Free: Apollo DOMAIN/OS Software Distribution Tapes

by cube1＠home.com

Please read ALL of this message CAREFULLY before responding. Incomplete/erroneous replies will be directed to /dev/null, with or without a reply based on how busy I am and how I feel that day. 8-) Requests for further information may not be responded to quickly. I have obtained, due to Y2k related activities and general cleanup, a VERY LIMITED number of copies of original software distribution tapes for the Apollo Domain/OS operating system and some product support kits. (I also have some other software, but due to licensing, I am not comfortable making that available. However, if you have NFS, Omniback, CC or DPCE software for Apollo Domain/OS and are having problems reading your tape(s), if you scan in a copy of your label and send it to me, we can see if we can arrange something). I am making them available at no cost, except that the REQUESTER PAYS THE PACKAGING AND SHIPPING COSTS (usually just a pound or two). The prepayment will be based on the estimate from the UPS web site. If you send me too much, I will send the difference by other means after I ship, if it is more than $2.00 -- otherwise I will not bother). I am making them available to people who (priority order) (USE THIS CODE BELOW) PRIORITY CODE: 1. Has an HP/Apollo Domain machine (proof required, including node-id, preference would be a picture), but does not have tapes (you are on the honor system for that part) 2. Is writing a simulator and needs software (some proof required, such as design documentation, compiler headers, ...) (Having been in that boat myself, I have empathy for anyone in that situation. But, I'd be surprised to find anyone in this situation for an Apollo Domain/OS machine). 3. An education institution (this would really surprise me, but you never know) 4. Has an HP/Apollo Domain machine (proof required -- see above), has tapes, but would like a backup set.2 Shipping code (see below) PICKUP: If you can pick the tapes up. Gets you 1 notch higher priority. SHIP: If you need to have them shipped to you. (You pre-pay shipping). Available only to folks in the US and places UPS will ship to with no headache for me (again, these are free, after all). Again, the requester must PREPAY SHIPPING based on an estimate from the UPS web site. The tapes are little used, and in their original plastic boxes with their original labels. The tapes date from around 1990 - 1992. ( I read thru a set of tapes like these to do a software install last year without a problem, but I can make NO GUARANTEE that the tapes are readable. (after all, they are free). Requests for tapes should be sent via email. PLEASE READ *ALL* of the following information to the end of this message CAREFULLY. Request MUST include the following filled out (please cut and paste into your message) Request MUST include "DOMAIN/OS TAPE REQUEST" in the subject of the e-mail, and should be addressed to: c u b e 1 (at) h o m e (dot) c o m ************************ NAME: Your Name ADDRESS: Your Street Address / City / State / Zip / Country routing code EMAIL: Your e-mail address SET: The Tape set number(s) you would like. (See Below) Format: #<digit> PRIORITY: Your priority code (see above) (#1, #2, #3 or #4) SHIPPING: (See above: PICKUP or SHIP) NODE-ID: Your Apollo Domain Node ID (see above) (Attach GIF/JPEG if possible) ************************* Requests should be submitted before 7/5/2000. I need to allow some time for priorities to be properly registered. I will ship when I am good and ready, probably in July or August. (After all, these are free -- but I do want to get them out of my hair). Generally YOU MAY ONLY REQUEST 1 SET. Exception: If you request one of set 10, 11 or 12 you may also pick one of set 13,14 and/or one of set 15,16 Note: If you have a 68040 based machine, SR10.2 is useless. You need SR10.3, including PSK8 (see below) SET INFORMATION *** READ CAREFULLY *** (Specify above) SETS #1, #2 and #3 Apollo DOMAIN/OS SR10.2 Boot tape: 017286-001 3 software tapes: 017277-001, -002 and -003 (This is a complete operating system) SET #4 As with sets #1, #2 and #3 PLUS DOMAIN/OS SR10.2 INCRA_2 018777-001 (patch tape) (THIS IS JUST A SINGLE TAPE - NOT A COMPLETE OPERATING SYSTEM) SETS #5, #6, #7, #8, #9 Apollo DOMAIN/OS SR10.4 Boot Tape: 019593-001 Software tapes: 019594-001, -002, -003, -004 (This is a complete operating system) SETS #10, #11, #12 Apollo DOMAIN/OS SR10.3 Boot Tape: 018847-001 Software tapes: 018848-001, -002, -003, -004 (This is a complete operating system) SETS #13, #14 Product Support Kit Q3-91 for Apollo DOMAIN/OS SR10.3 THIS IS NOT A COMPLETE OPERATING SYSTEM. YOU WOULD ALSO NEED SET #10, #11 or #12 Boot Tape: 019439-001 Software tapes: 019437-001, -002 SETS #15, #16 Product Support Kit PSK8 THIS IS NOT A COMPLETE OPERATING SYSTEM. YOU WOULD ALSO NEED SET #10, #11 or #12 Boot Tape: 019376-001 PSK8 Software: 019374-001 PSK8 68040 Software: 019362-001 Again, PLEASE read thru ALL of this message BEFORE submitting your request. Hope some of you find this useful. Jay Jaeger The Computer Collection. Visit: http://members.home.com/thecomputercollection

24 years, 6 months

Thrift Store find: Apple IIgs

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

I have a variety of Apple II machines (I used to make my living on them long, long ago) and my little brother, an avid thrifter, found a IIgs for me this week. ISTR there are multiple varieties; this one appears to be fairly old. It has a memory card inside with 256K of RAM soldered down, and spaces for another .75Mb. The ROM is version 1.0. Just playing around, I figured out how to get into the config menu and set background colors, 80 column, etc. I happened to have an external 5.25" Laser drive I got with my $15 IIc+ and was able to boot up the only DOS 3.3 disk I could find - Zork I. So... now that I have two machines that want to have 3.5" drives and no copies of DOS 3.3 on that medium, is it possible to aquire it anywhere? I have Macs, etc., so I can make a 3.5" disk from an Apple disk image if that's what it takes. Also, are there any ways I can expand this puppy? I happen to have a couple of old Apple double disk drives (the kind that came with the IIe); does anyone know of a diagram to make an adapter for the 19-pin connector that the newer computers take? Thanks, -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

24 years, 6 months

Mousepad $71

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Did anyone else see the NeXT mousepad that sold for $71 on ebay at 355310479 ? Now I feel ok I'm not the one who is crazy. John Keys

24 years, 6 months

New Finds

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Well the week back from vacation has been pretty good I hit 3 auction and came away with a few good deals. 1. HP 6300 series 650/A 2. HP 9000/300 3. HP 9144 4. HP 6000/670H - 4 of them mounted in a nice rack. 5. TI99 color monitor the size of a TV and looks just like an old 19" model. 6. AMD AM 2900 Evaluation & Learning kit. A nice single board computer with the box but no manuals. There was a sheet titled "Am2900 Kit Programming Work Sheet". Anyone have more info on this unit ? 7. 2 - Toshiba T5200/100's that both work great. 8. Zenith SuperSport 286 with carrying case, will not boot up. 9. Grid GridCase3 not working 10. An old Informer in a nice case. Not tested yet. 11. Compaq portable III in carrying case, not tested yet. 12. digital LA50-RA printer. 13. digital VT240 model VS240-B 14. Tandy 4000 PC There were several van loads of items that are not yet 10 years old but I added them to my collection from the first two auctions. At a City/school auction today I won the bid on over 80 computers, ext floppy drives (Apple all types), ext. hard drives for Mac's, many keyboards, monitors, and many other computer items all for $1. Sorry to say I had to leave a large amount of this stuff, there were all types of early Mac's and PC's. My poor van was overloaded with computers this evening and I got home at 9:30pm in the dark so I was not able to unload too much tonight and will have take off work for half a day to unload my Van and go back for more of the items. I hope to have a more complete list by the weekend and will post the older items. John Keys

24 years, 6 months

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test-drb June 2000