test-drb June 2000

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Should I add a "Micro" PDP11/73 to the Herd?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Good Morning, Fellow Classicians... A MicroPDP 11/73 (that's how it's listed) is available on E-Bay, it's not selling, so I can probably get it for the starting bid of five bucks, and it's local. I have no backround with the PDP-11 (and thus my recent query regarding those cards I have). It comes with a TS05 tape drive, which from the photo appears to be a Cipher F880 Microstreamer. I'm thinking of getting it just to have a spare for the Prime's tape drive. Here is what the seller has to say about it: : This is a Digital Equipment Corp Micro PDP11/73 computer : with a TS05 tape drive mounted in a rack. Also included is : what I think is a hard disk unit mounted below the computer. : The front panel of this unit says 'USDC CSS-800 Compact : Storage System'. Also included is a VT320 amber video : terminal. If you look at the photos below you will see that : there is a large space in the middle where something is : missing. I think that there were 2 hard disks mounted in this : space, but they were gone when I got the equipment. I bought : this stuff from the University of Louisville Medical School. : This is one part of a larger system. I have powered the : PDP11/73 up and it seems to boot up OK. When booted, this : is what come up on the screen: Testing in progress - Please : wait 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Starting ROM boot 173356 @ I think : the '@' is a command prompt, but I don't know what to do : from there. The CSS-800 unit has lights that come on in the : front, and so does the tape drive, but I have no way to test : them. I can't be sure if this equipment is working properly, so : it is sold AS-IS. : : Should I rescue this machine? What OS do I need to acquire for it? Thanks for all replys, -doug quebbeman

24 years, 6 months

Cheap parts available for AT&T 6300, AT&T 6300 monitor

by whdawson＠mlynk.com

Wakeup call! Haven't had any wanting the whole system or the monitor. It's parts time! Does anyone need any spares for their AT&T 6300? First the pictures, then the story: http://www.wpic.com/whdawson/classiccmp/ATT6300front.jpg http://www.wpic.com/whdawson/classiccmp/ATT6300rear.jpg I stopped in the local Hidden Treasures (actual name) store a couple of weeks ago and noticed this on the shelf, minus keyboard. I've been a regular visitor there for the last several years, and when I pointed out to Terry, the new manager, that this system was kinda useless without the AT&T keyboard, he told me to just take it, as in free, because it was probably going to end up in the dumpster anyway since no one seemed interested in it and this would save him the effort. The power supply fan runs, and little else. No cursor, no boot, no drive activity other than it initializing, no nothing, although the AT&T monitor appears OK since when I turn off the system I get green all over and retrace lines as the power collapses. Same if I unplug the monitor when the system is powered up. The monitor is powered from the 6300 and has a jumper from the PS to the video board, standard 6300. Here's the parts available: AT&T monitor, no screen burn, nice, cord storage in swivel base. AT&T 6300, made in Italy: PC1050 motherboard, markings of 0091-0-5-00 REV P4, AT&T 227692 T 10 CPU3 9/84, BIOS REV 1.21, FCC DVR7NICPU3; 8086-2 CPU, memory chips are MOSTEK MK4564-N-15; OLIVETTI Video PCB, full length, markings of CRT 313M; OLIVETTI Bus converter; 5.25" floppy drive; power supply; etc. This system is in very good to excellent condition. The computer is dusty inside, but even the felt feet are still on it. The CRT case is not yellowed. The story I got was that an elderly lady had donated it to the store. Cost is only 1.2 x shipping (cheapest way, unless specified otherwise)for whatever assemblies you want from it. Please email me off list and let me know what you need. FCFS I'm offering this to the list because I have enough going on and enough systems to restore to keep me busy for the next 10 years. Yes, I can probably find a keyboard and can also likely fix it, but I don't see anything wrong with some systems ending up as parts donors for others. I'll post to the list on the status of this as necessary. For shipping purposes, my zip is 15301. Bill Dawson whdawson(a)mlynk.com <mailto:whdawson@mlynk.com> ?

24 years, 6 months

Local Computer Rescue Needed

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I got a call the other evening from a person wanting unload a number computers here in St. Paul, Here's his list - C64 no monitor with it - 2- TI's 99/4 black ones - Tandy color computer - TRS80 model 3 - 2- Mac Classic's - Apple IIgs with monitor and KB If anyone here in the Twincities wants some of this please email me and I will get you his email address. John Keys

24 years, 6 months

Prime 2850 for Sale on E-Bay

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> A complete Prime 2850 system is for sale on E-Bay, > starting at one dollar. Reserve price in effect, > amount (as always) unknown. > > Here's a shortcut to the beast: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=364711731 > > -dq BTW, if you go there, look at tge picture carefully... there is what appears to be a 1200 ft reel of tape in a tape seal either lying on the floor under the 2850, or, God forbid, holding up the 2850 in lieu of a missing caster. Probably a Primos release tape. :-(

24 years, 6 months

Prime 2850 for Sale on E-Bay

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

A complete Prime 2850 system is for sale on E-Bay, starting at one dollar. Reserve price in effect, amount (as always) unknown. Here's a shortcut to the beast: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=364711731 -dq

24 years, 6 months

How do you finance/afford your computer collection?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 22, Sellam Ismail wrote: > YEAH! And while you're at it, throw that shitty Intel box out the window > and in the trash! DO IT NOW! You freaking losers! How dare you use any > Microcschlock products in my presence! You have an Intel box? Eeew. -Dave McGuire

24 years, 6 months

Tapes

by mgregory＠vantageresearch.com

-----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, June 22, 2000 12:58 PM Subject: Re: Tapes > >Too long? Sure you waste a lot of tape, but any new audio tape is going to >be in better shape than any old Computer Cassettes you might find. I aways >used audio tapes with my VIC20, usually the absolute cheapest I could get >my hands on. IIRC, I usually used something like 60 minute tapes. > The shorter the tape length, the better. Modern extended-play tapes use a thinner nylon tape (to fit more tape in the standard cassette), which is more prone to stretching and breaking with repeated rewind/play cycles. Some older answering machines used very short standard cassettes, I'd estimate about C10 length. If you can find a store that still sells those (even a liquidator selling off those awful novelty "celebrity answering machine messages") they might be suitable. They would also be newer than the 15+ year old computer cassette tapes. Another option would be to shop for a cheap disk drive for your system. In my experience old 5.25" floppies in good condition are much easier to find than cassettes. Regards, Mark.

24 years, 6 months

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

Even though the reply had a funny touch to it how else do you expect to have your collection survive you? Or don't you care about it? The main point was that there will allways (I hope) be other collectors willing to take on some else's collection there can even be a public distribution/sale or other for people interested. The thing I'm worried about is about my stuff ending in the trash (160 or so machines with peripherals and documentation) and I've specifically told my wife that if I die she should post a note on this very list and ask for help in disposing of it. She does consider my collection as a pile of junk but she also knows that this is not the opinion of everyone. Actually I am thinking of adding something to that nature in my will. I allways tink that I have time to think about it (I'm 34) but you never know... If you worry and value the conservation of your machines you should take the same dispositions and make sure that none is lost. Francois > This is amusing I suppose, until the first list members start to die. The > topic deserves serious discussion. >

24 years, 6 months

Software Licensing (Was: RE: Should I add a "Micro" PDP11/73 to t he Herd?)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Do you have any understanding of the computer industry? Do you have any > understanding of computers larger than your Windows box? Do you even look > at the licenses of any software you have purchased? I'm fairly sure you > don't remember the days when you didn't even own the computer, you rented > it, or rented time on one. I have owned a computer continuously since 1976, when I built a SOL (and I helped finish building an IMSAI the next year that was botched by a physics professor). Of the dozen or so computers I own, two are Windows boxen. My physician told me to stop reading the licences, or I'd have a stroke. The first computer I used was a CDC6500 running DualMACE at Purdue in 1974. I checked- Purdue OWNED the computer, they did not RENT it. >From there I went to a CDC6600 running Kronos 2.1 at Indiana University; I had a computer account for each of my classes, and one given me for donating my services as s student consultant. Additionally, I PAID $$$ for a commercial account so that I could print large-format lineprinter posters and sell them. > Kindly take your free software whine elsewhere. If you want to write > software and give it away that's your business. If someone else wants to > write software and sell right to use licenses that's their business. > Personally I both sell and give away the software I write, depending on the > program. I wrote nothing stating that I was looking for free software. How is it that you take not wanting to be ripped of to mean that I want something for free? The problem isn't that I don't understand the computer industry, it's that the computer industry has been taken over by robber barons. It happened during the 1980s; I recall it distinctly. Dang, I know I'm a prima donna, but if all the prima donnas stay off this list, I think it will get might darned quiet. respectfully submitted, -doug quebbeman

24 years, 6 months

Free: Apollo DOMAIN/OS Software Distribution Tapes

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Actually, Domain/OS is one of Apollo's 3 operating systems... Apollo started back when AT&T wasn't licensing UNIX for commercial use, so they had to create their own UNIX clone, which was actually better than UNIX. This was called Aegis, later changed to be called Domain/OS. Later, when AT&T did start licensing UNIX, Apollo was smart enough to know that even though Aegis or Domain/OS, depending on what you called it, was better than UNIX, the AT&T standard was what mattered to people, so they licensed UNIX, and that became Domain/IX, and shortly afterward, HP bought Apollo and killed basically everything other than Prism (PA-Risc). Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

24 years, 6 months

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test-drb June 2000