test-drb April 2000

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by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

Since Anthony Clifton volunteered to drive to minneapolis and grab virtually al of the small VAX stuff that i mentioned yesterday, i'll just let him have the stuff (assuming thats ok with the professor who is disposing of the stuff). Thanks for your interest, and i'll keep posting if i find more stuff that i dont want or need. -Lawrence LeMay

24 years, 8 months

VAX 11/730 available

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Lawrence LeMay <lemay(a)cs.umn.edu> wrote: > There is a VAX 11/730 available in Minneapolis. Obviously i'm not shipping > it, or having anything to do with it. if you want it, and can come tpick it > up in minneapolis, i can put you in contact with the person who has it. > > Otherwise, i will of course attempt to grab any useful boards and such > before it goes to the recyclers. At that time, i would then post what > is available to the list. Which style is it? One style has disks above and below the CPU (11/730-Z?), the other has the CPU in something that's more like a BA-11 with the TU-58 at the top of the rack. I have one of the ultra-cramped ones with the CPU in the middle. I don't have one with the CPU at the top. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

24 years, 8 months

pdp11/70 / MK11

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com wrote: > >Does anybody know if it's possible to run an 11/70 without the MK11 memory > >box ? > > Sure, get a MJ11 memory box (or, rather, 4 times as many MJ11's as you > had MK11's) :-). Umm... sure. _That's_ an improvement. > There are several other third-party memory boxes/cards available too. How many of these are floating around these days? Serious question, no smiley. I have two PDP-11/70s, both with, I assume, MK11 boxes and am interested in low-power alternatives for memory. > Out of curiosity, why can't you use your MK11's? Not enough power to > run them and the 11/70 at the same time? I had to take multiple 15A > circuits to run my 11/70 with MJ11 memory boxes. In _my_ case, power is the issue. I have a 60A circuit for the entire outbuilding that houses my larger stuff, none of which is powered on at the moment. I need to wire up a 30A Hubble Twist-n-lock outlet so I can plug in either an 11/750 or an 11/70 out there, but once I do, I'll be interested in firing up one of the beasts. Just so I'm not making a serious assumtion here, an MK11 is the high- density memory cabinet for the 11/70, right? What I have is an entire H960 rack with one BA-11 that houses 16 256K boards (mess-o-4116 DRAMs) and some incidental memory controller cards. Do I have what I think I have? -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

24 years, 8 months

pdp11/70 / MK11

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>> Sure, get a MJ11 memory box (or, rather, 4 times as many MJ11's as you >> had MK11's) :-). >Umm... sure. _That's_ an improvement. Hey, but it's real core! >> There are several other third-party memory boxes/cards available too. >How many of these are floating around these days? Serious question, no >smiley. Probably pretty difficult to find. >> Out of curiosity, why can't you use your MK11's? Not enough power to >> run them and the 11/70 at the same time? I had to take multiple 15A >> circuits to run my 11/70 with MJ11 memory boxes. >Just so I'm not making a serious assumtion here, an MK11 is the high- >density memory cabinet for the 11/70, right? What I have is an entire >H960 rack with one BA-11 that houses 16 256K boards (mess-o-4116 DRAMs) >and some incidental memory controller cards. Do I have what I think >I have? The "original" MK11 goes up to 1 Mbyte in a box, according to my books. It certainly was common to see them upgraded in the field to the configuration that you have, though I don't know what the official DEC designation for the high-density version was. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

24 years, 8 months

iOpener Update

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

> > Package a) a sole device USD 499, > > Package b) the device and a 24 Month contract USD 99 + 24 x 20 > Or the common package C) box is part of the service and "rented". Cable > boxes especially encoded ones are that case here (usa). Yeah, but there are many places in the US where it is essentially illegal to hook your own cable descrambler to the cable line, not too much different than the old Bell System limits on third-party equipment hooked to phone lines. There are some attractions to cheap and uniform guaranteed service for all, but I don't think I want Internet access to become the monopoly that phone service used to be or cable service is today. It's bad enough with some ISP's threatening that they only support Microsoft Windows and that if you've got trouble accessing their service from any other OS you're out of luck. Actually DSL from some companies is already worse than that - you have to have a PCI-bus PC-clone running Windows to use their service, because the only interface device that will work requires that hardware configuration and the only drivers available are for MS-Windows. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

24 years, 8 months

One of only 3 "enigma machine" stolen; A piece of ENIAC was up for auction.

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- John Lewczyk <jlewczyk(a)his.com> wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_698000/698804.stm > > An Enigma machine used by the Nazis to send coded messages during World War > Two, has been stolen from the code-cracking Station X at Bletchley Park, > Buckinghamshire. The machine, worth about £100,000, is one of only three in > the world. It was brought to the UK after the war. > > I bet it was somebody on this list who grabbed it! Fess up! ;-) The closest I've come is photographing the one at the Deutches Museum on my recent trip to visit Hans. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

24 years, 8 months

Watcom C

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

John, I have VAX C also if that would help... I'd offer you OS/32 C, but I don't think you have an Interdata/Perkin-Elmer/Concurrent, heh. Will J ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

24 years, 8 months

Nuke Redmond!

by hofmanwb＠worldonline.nl

Richard, This must have been said a lot of times, but I say it anyway. I have been putting computers into factories and when you took a DEC PDP-11 you did not have to worry so much about next months software. About drivers you would have to write all over again. About being able to service a 5, 10, 15 year old or even older application, even in far away countries. Yes, you paid, but what about the cost of installing a new system every 3 or 4 years because hardware is no longer supported with the new release or the new version, or the hardware was phased out after months and spares no longer exist. This new hardware is ageing so fast that the Salvation Army is collecting it by the time you paid for it. It is marvelous for a lot of people, but keep it out of the factories. Wim ---------- > From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: !Re: Nuke Redmond! > Date: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 9:20 PM > > I really can't understand what all the hostility toward Microsoft is about. > If it weren't for the low prices resulting from the economy of scale, scale > which is enabled by the fact that Microsoft made computers simple enough to > use that the masses could and would use them. > > If you want to dog somebody, the go after DEC, (God be thanked that they're > gone!) with their antiquated technology always a generation behind everyone > else and with their ridiculous prices. > > If DEC had had their way you'd have to use a single flip=flop pair for which > they charged you 10^15 bucks per year and which broke twice a month so some > under-trained ignoramus could come around and pretend to fix the thing. > Then, if you had the unmitigated audacity to try to use some other vendor's > hardware or software, they'd raise hell and point down the wire if their > stuff didn't behave as claimed. > > The only point I've seen in this thread that makes any sense at all is the > one about Visual Basic. If your really want that 6-7 figure income, you'll > learn it. I know at least half a dozen fellows who have taken that up. > > Forget about the C++ or C or Delphi! These guys took 6 weeks to learn the > VB and now most of them have paid off their houses, cards, and credit cards > and vacation in Arruba in the winter and Alaska in the summer. at least > twice. The oldest of the guys I know doing this is 35 and worth over $10^7 > net. Five years ago, he was begging me for work. How many guys do you know > who have net savings of over a year's gross after only five years? That > certainly indicates VB is not just a joke. > > Dick > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 9:37 PM > Subject: Re: Nuke Redmond! > > > > Huw Davies wrote: > > > I was at the Programming sectin of the local Computer Book store last > > > week, only to discover that "Programming" == Visual Basic, C on Windows > > > and that's about it. > > > > Don't you know, being able to write in Visual Basic is what all computer > > professionals aspire to! Rumor has it Windows 2000 was written in Visual > > Basic. > > > > > I wonder what I learnt at Uni should be called? I used to program in > Algol > > > (60 and 68), Pascal, BCPL, Simula-67 and BLISS-10... At least one of > them > > > is still current! > > > > OK, I give up. Which one? I'm not aware of Microsoft having any Windows > > software by those names, therefore they don't exist, and never did! > > > > Zane > > > > PS let me just say for the benefit of anyone new here, I'm joking folks! >

24 years, 8 months

!Re: Nuke Redmond!

by mbg＠world.std.com

>> their LAN boards incompatible with anyone else's. They also tweaked >> their protocols to weaken their own networking system so people >> wouldn't be tempted to mix and match. That comment is pure cow-flop... I don't know a single engineer at DEC (and now Compaq) who would ever have done this sort of thing... >IP was not the rule until years after DECnet phaseIII and when IP started >to become more wide spread there was PhaseIV and PHASEV decnet which was >routable, capable of doing IP over decnet and a lot of other tricks that >PCs needed. PCs under winders were doing lanman then. Even so, much of the Internet network software has its roots on DEC hardware... even if DEC wasn't doing it at the time... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

24 years, 8 months

PDP 8/L power supply docs?

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

I'm told that the power supply in the 8/L i just acquired has a problem with ripple in the 5 volt output, and thus it had started to crash occasionally. I'm not sure how often it crashed, as they ran the thing constantly, so their idea of a problem crashing might be different from mine ;) Still, if its still possible to obtain the correct capacitors, and it looks like we're talking about coca-cola can sized capacitors, it would make sense to replace them. So, i'd like to find a copy of the schematic for the power supply if anyone has it. -Lawrence LeMay PS: Still looking for the power cable, so i havent turned it on yet...

24 years, 8 months

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