test-drb November 2000

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by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 02:55 PM 11/29/00 -0800, Grumpy Ol' Fred wrote:ng one of those is not going to be hard. > >Does no one remember that IBM peddled UCSD P System for the PC? >An operating system that made PC-DOS look good! I remember it from when I ran the CAD lab at school. It was sitting in the cabinet unopened. I know it sat there for at least two years. I suppose it was still unopened when they trashed it. Joe

24 years, 1 month

Wanted: HP Integral PC

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I saw Zane's post, and sadly, am not close enough to go pick up his Integral and give him some cash... but I *am* looking for one, if anybody has one that they'll part with ( and I WILL pay a reasonable price). I've wanted one ever since I read the review in PC Magazine so long ago... Thanks. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

24 years, 1 month

UCSD P System (was: Why is it that ...

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

At 02:55 PM 11/29/00 -0800, you wrote: >Does no one remember that IBM peddled UCSD P System for the PC? >An operating system that made PC-DOS look good! I've got the p-System for the PC. There was also the p-Card for the TI-99/4A which plugged into it's PE Box. When enabled, the p-Card booted >from it's onboard ROM vice from the disk drive or TI-99/4A boot ROM. Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Power Computing PowerCurve, 288mhz G3, Mac OS 9 http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 Home Of The TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ

24 years, 1 month

UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code Was:(Why is it that ...)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 29, 10:04, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >I think I still have the disks somewhere.... I just don't have > >an Apple-II to use to verify their readability. > So UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code ran on the Apple //? Well, it ran on a 48K Apple ][+ or Europlus with the Language Card (which, for those who might not know, is a 16KB RAM card that fits Slot 0, and pages in in place of the ROMs). It's anything but fast :-) However, Apple used it for much of their dealer and service centre diagnostics, so it was used for, and capable of, Real Work. I still have mine somewhere. UCSD p-System was also available for PDP-11's, BBC Micros, Sage II, and quite a few other machines. I've got versions for all of those. Doesn't UCSD still have a web page about it? > I'm guessing this > means it'll run on a //e or //gs? Probably. > If so is there anywhere the software can > be downloaded from? Dunno, but the disk structure is different from ProDOS and Apple DOS 3.3, so I'm not sure how you'd deal with that. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

24 years, 1 month

UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I have a bunch of books, discs, etc for the Apple II, and I "may" still > have UCSD Pascal on some 8" Terak floppies. Pascal was the language of > choice for Mac work for a number of years, then C and C+ etc. kind of > dropped on everybody. Messy at first as all the header files were setup as > calls to Pascal programs in the early Mac software developer stuff. IIRC it > was AlSoft that had a program/patch etc. that allowed MIDI support on a Mac > that was all in Pascal. I talked my wife into reworking the headers for use > with C programs, and sent it back to AlSoft and they used it, but I never > heard anything back from them about it. Really POed me at the time. I was told, but have never confirmed, that Apple had the source to UCSD Pascal, and that Larry Teslar used it as the basis for Clascal, the Pascal-variant (no pun intended) compiler used for Lisa and initial Mac cross-development. Then they hired Niklaus Wirth to go from Clascal to Object Pascal. I still think Object Pascal is the *best* implementation of Pascal ever... the linker could determine what methods could be statically bound, keeping them fast, and leaving the rest dynamically bound for polymorphism. Unlike Borland's Pascal(s) [this may have changed by the time of Delphi), you could pass procedures and functions as arguments to procedures and functions. -dq

24 years, 1 month

Update: Computer Rescue needed in Portland, OR

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

I am sorry. I got so exicted when I saw the IMSAI on the list, I couldn't sit still long enough to go back and read that part. I will try not to do it again :) -Rob -----Original Message----- From: David Williams [SMTP:dlw@trailingedge.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 2:00 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Update: Computer Rescue needed in Portland, OR On 28 Nov 2000, at 22:53, Zane H. Healy wrote: > RULE1: These systems are for *local pickup* only. I quite simply do > not > have time to ship stuff. ARGGGGH!!!!! Damn. :) ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

24 years, 1 month

Update: Computer Rescue needed in Portland, OR

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

Zane: I'd be interested in your IMSAI 8080, particularly if it had any S100 "extras" in it. But I am in Chicago. Would if be able to convince you ship it somehow ?$? Everyone: I just found this mailing list and "subscribed" yesterday. I am stunned by all of the activity on it. I have been thinking about firing up my old Altair 8800 (early model). I talked my Dad into getting it for me when I was 13 years old and my brother and I learned a lot with it. So does anyone have any tips on firing up this old monster ? It it rather precious to me and I don't want to blow it up. I guess I should just take out all of the cards and check out the power supply first. I have heard that old capacitors can dry up and fail catastrophically -- but I think that this applies to the 1950's capacitors, not the 1970's ones. I still have the original "Altair Basic" on a paper tape with a manual made on a mimeograph-type machine by the "Microsoft Corporation" of Redmond Washington. Anyone out there have some other interesting 8080 software ? Rob Kapteyn kapteynr(a)cboe.com -----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy [SMTP:healyzh@aracnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:54 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Update: Computer Rescue needed in Portland, OR I figured I'd update people on the status of the systems I'm getting rid of. Thanks to a local collector I was able to get everything but the actual junk out of the unit I was trying to get rid of. I even managed to get rid of the junk a little latter, and the unit itself. All this without loosing any classic computers, even common ones. So now the crunch is off, but I'm still looking to find local takers for the following stuff. As I still need to get a bunch of stuff out of the remaining two units (for one thing I'd like to eventually get down to one unit). A note on the items with the '$' by them. As I'd said before I'm looking for some money for or some Sun or DEC stuff that I can use (fairly modern in other words). These are items that I've spent real money on, and/or rather like so if I can't recover what I've spent on them, I'll be keeping them. On some items this means I don't want to much, on others, quite a bit. Zane RULE1: These systems are for *local pickup* only. I quite simply do not have time to ship stuff. RULE1A: If you're going to be paying for something I can mark items as being for a certain person and will hold onto them for a reasonable amount of time until they can pick them up if they're going to be in this area. RULE2: Systems sold as is. Various Laser 128 $ Kaypro II Mattel Aquarius (Unknown) $ Epson PX-8 (think that's the right name) Apple Apple ][ plus Apple ][e (x2) Apple ][e enhanced 3 broken keys Apple ][c (x2) Apple ][gs (x2 1 is a Woz) $ Lisa 2/5 Apple Macintosh's Macintosh 512k, third party upgrade to Plus Macintosh SE Macintosh SE/HDFD Macintosh II Macintosh LC Atari $ Atari TT030 Commodore Bussiness Machines Commodore 64c $ Amiga 2000 (x3 only 1 keyboard, 2 Magni Genlocks, 1084 monitor, misc. other stuff) $ Amiga 3000 (1 fully updated, 1 spare. The updated one includes a Catweasel, Picasso IV, a total of 18MB RAM, and latest rev chips. I will keep this system before I part it out so don't bother asking.) digital $ PDP-11/03 $ PDT-11/150 (Unknown Condition, this is not a Q-Bus or Unibus system) $ DEC Professional 380 (has VAX console board) DECmate III (3 or 4 of them, Need Software, but that's easily available on the net) DEC Rainbow (Unknown) DECstation 5000/133 (no drives, 32MB RAM, works) IBM PC clones Kapro PC IMSAI $ IMSAI 8080 (Rack Mount style, but have top/sides for desktop style, do not have the front for desktop style) Tandy Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer 2 Texas Instruments Silent 700 Data Terminal (two different models, only sure where one is at the moment) -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

24 years, 1 month

UCSD PASCAL (P-system) P-code Was:(Why is it that ...)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On 29 Nov 2000, at 13:41, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > I think you had to have the Integer Basic (?) card for it to work. > > Not the Integer BASIC card but the so called "Language Card" or > as others called it, a 16K Ram card. That's the card that gave you > 64k of ram switching space with the ROMs. The IIe has that built > in and runs the Apple version of UCSD Pascal just fine. I wouldn't > see any reason it wouldn't also run on a //gs but I haven't > tried it on mine. That's the one.... I'm sure glad most of the rest of you aren't suffering >from "halfheimer's disease" as badly as I am! -dq

24 years, 1 month

Classic monochrome phosphors?

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

Through the 80's and up into the early (Lasnerian) 90's, it was common to see monochrome video displays with *long* decay-time phosphors. As in hundreds of milliseconds, enough such that if you were a quick typist the cursor block left a very distinct trail going back a good fraction of a line :-) Does anyone know the designation (as in "P3" or "P25") of these long-lived green and yellow phosphors that were commonly used on IBM PC and PC-clone monochrome displays? Even better, anyone know of a source (new or used, preferably NTSC or Monochrome SVGA) for such monitors? Tim.

24 years, 1 month

Update: Computer Rescue needed in Portland, OR

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I figured I'd update people on the status of the systems I'm getting rid of. Thanks to a local collector I was able to get everything but the actual junk out of the unit I was trying to get rid of. I even managed to get rid of the junk a little latter, and the unit itself. All this without loosing any classic computers, even common ones. So now the crunch is off, but I'm still looking to find local takers for the following stuff. As I still need to get a bunch of stuff out of the remaining two units (for one thing I'd like to eventually get down to one unit). A note on the items with the '$' by them. As I'd said before I'm looking for some money for or some Sun or DEC stuff that I can use (fairly modern in other words). These are items that I've spent real money on, and/or rather like so if I can't recover what I've spent on them, I'll be keeping them. On some items this means I don't want to much, on others, quite a bit. Zane RULE1: These systems are for *local pickup* only. I quite simply do not have time to ship stuff. RULE1A: If you're going to be paying for something I can mark items as being for a certain person and will hold onto them for a reasonable amount of time until they can pick them up if they're going to be in this area. RULE2: Systems sold as is. Various Laser 128 $ Kaypro II Mattel Aquarius (Unknown) $ Epson PX-8 (think that's the right name) Apple Apple ][ plus Apple ][e (x2) Apple ][e enhanced 3 broken keys Apple ][c (x2) Apple ][gs (x2 1 is a Woz) $ Lisa 2/5 Apple Macintosh's Macintosh 512k, third party upgrade to Plus Macintosh SE Macintosh SE/HDFD Macintosh II Macintosh LC Atari $ Atari TT030 Commodore Bussiness Machines Commodore 64c $ Amiga 2000 (x3 only 1 keyboard, 2 Magni Genlocks, 1084 monitor, misc. other stuff) $ Amiga 3000 (1 fully updated, 1 spare. The updated one includes a Catweasel, Picasso IV, a total of 18MB RAM, and latest rev chips. I will keep this system before I part it out so don't bother asking.) digital $ PDP-11/03 $ PDT-11/150 (Unknown Condition, this is not a Q-Bus or Unibus system) $ DEC Professional 380 (has VAX console board) DECmate III (3 or 4 of them, Need Software, but that's easily available on the net) DEC Rainbow (Unknown) DECstation 5000/133 (no drives, 32MB RAM, works) IBM PC clones Kapro PC IMSAI $ IMSAI 8080 (Rack Mount style, but have top/sides for desktop style, do not have the front for desktop style) Tandy Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer 2 Texas Instruments Silent 700 Data Terminal (two different models, only sure where one is at the moment) -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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