test-drb October 2000

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by vcf＠siconic.com

Complete Apple //e system up for grabs. Please contact original sender. Reply-To: goldman(a)martnet.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:58:15 -0400 From: Jim Goldman <goldman(a)martnet.com> To: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> Subject: Re: Donate complete Apple II sys? Hi, Man of Intrigue. Sorry for the delay responding. It's a //e with the extra memory card to 128K. I traded my ][+ for it shortly after the //e became available. It's about 20 miles from Philadelphia. -Jim At 06:18 PM 10/16/00 -0700, you wrote: >On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Jim Goldman wrote: > >> I would like to donate a complete Apple II system >> including disks, modem, monitors, joystick, paddles, >> books, software... the works. And it works. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

23 years, 10 months

Who remembers CDC Plato?...run it again on a cyber at home...could it be done?

by claudew＠sprint.ca

Hi I grew up having access to the Plato system at the University near my home. A neighboor was a chemistry teacher there and knew I was interested in computers and gave me access to a bunch of stuff at the university and I guess CDC's Plato was the most fun. I went on to write a few games for the system when I was about 15-16 (1980) in that "tutor" language. I spent a lotta time on that system...A lot...It was like an early "internet" with network games etc...that thing was great! The other night I was thinking that since I have now about 85% of the "home" microcomputers from the 197x-198x I should go on to something different...I guess running Plato here at home would be wicked...not really usefull but great fun for me... Now I never the saw the hardware running Plato. I only know that it used a CDC cyber. So I am thinking... What Cyber ran plato? How big were they?(I heard of huge! Did not find any pics on the internet of one...) What are my chances of fiding one? And the plato software? (slim I guess...) If I remember well, there was a emulator for the IBMPC to run a plato terminal....no touch screen but still...anybody remember this?...that could save me from having to look for an old "plasma" terminal like they called them back then... Thanks for reading Claude

23 years, 10 months

Enough already! (was: Re: MS Laugh-In)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Tim Harrison <harrison(a)timharrison.com> >Sellam Ismail wrote: > >> This is the second reference I've seen this week to complaining about >> Linux crashing. I find this to be ludicrous. > >I don't. I've been using Linux since the early 1.x kernels. I've found >it to crash quite often. If you do certain things to prevent that, it >crashes *MUCH* less. Linux is a great server, as long as it does a >specific task, and that's it. If you make it do too much, it starts to >suck. That's where Solaris blows it off the map. For stability FreeBSD, for apps and a more user friendly interface Caldara. I have mixed feelings with Linux, one is the many flavors that make them somewhat distinct and my general feeling of disinterest in it save for it works well for the price. It's been my expereince that correctly set up it's very good, and poorly set up it's about the same as winders. The upside on linux is that the box is open and you can look if you care to. Winders, is not open but that does not preclude a black box approach to working with it and even tuning it. A well thought out winders system can work well ,even if the idea of planning out winders may seem like an oxymoron. >Not so. Ever just clicked repeatedly on the back arrow in Netscape >4.75? If you hit one of those pages that won't let you use the Back My solution to NS4.75 is not to use it! 4.08 is lighter and far more stable. >not to. Why would you make this guy feel stupid for trying out Linux? >You should be praising him, and helping him along when he has problems. This is true for Windows too. Or CP/M, PICK, Ultrix .... >And to the original poster, my apologies for you having to endure this >tirade. I applaud your efforts, and your willingness to tinker, and >compare, and decide for yourself. Like everything if I could have an OS per task or project I'd use many if they worked and played well with each other or shared a common platform. Like I said Some flavor of unix in the back room does work, for the desk where people have to be trained and do real work W9x works. There are projects I'd love to have VMS for but, it's not cheap (commercial use). Then again I've scorned PC hardware for years as flakey at best till I started seriously using it and building decent systems even if they aren't cutting edge. Going in with attitude generally looses. Allison

23 years, 10 months

BA23 w/RA70

by dburrows＠netpath.net

Yes Dan -----Original Message----- From: Gene Buckle <geneb(a)deltasoft.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, October 19, 2000 2:33 PM Subject: Re: BA23 w/RA70 >Then the PDP-11/73 I've got is 22 bit? (I *think* it's a 73) > >g. > > >On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Daniel T. Burrows wrote: > >> The BA123 is 22 bit. I use one for a test bed and always keep a spare as I >> run it with the covers off and have fried a few power supplies over the >> years. The fans just don't do the job with all the covers off.:(. The >> BA123 is much nicer on the hands to swap boards than a BA23. >> Dan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gene Buckle <geneb(a)deltasoft.com> >> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> Date: Thursday, October 19, 2000 11:03 AM >> Subject: Re: BA23 w/RA70 >> >> >> > >Be very careful with that chassis! If it was really a MicroPDP, it will >> > >have an 18 bit qbus backplane in it. It will _destroy_ 22 bit qbus >> boards >> > >since there are power pins on the 18 bit bus that mate to data pins on >> the >> > >22 bit bus. >> > > >> > >Then again, my memory may be completely broken and I've got it all wrong. >> > :) >> > > >> > >g. >> > >> > I think you are remembering the BA11S and others. All the BA23's I have >> had >> > and seen have all had 22 bit backplanes. ( I have at least 15 BA23's at >> the >> > moment.) >> >> I think I was thinking of the BA123 I've got that IS a uPDP-11. (full of >> boards too *sigh*) >> >> g. >> >> >>

23 years, 10 months

Enough already! (was: Re: MS Laugh-In)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Neil Cherry <ncherry(a)home.net> >The Windows part is very true! I have a machine which has 32M of RAM >and a 2G disk with W95 and I save my work often as everything teaters >on the border of failure. Something is wrong. FYI that box must ahve at least 50-100mb of free space(more if MS office or office97 is there) on whatever drive the system swaps on. that or something is plain marginal. I have one system at work, get this, 486dx/50, 12mb ram, 1mb video (cirrus) and 500mb (st3660). It runs Win95osr2, word97, IE and OE on the internal net (using TCP/IP no netbeui), reliabily though slow! Old is not the factor here. >BTW: Linux will stress your hardware severely. If your hardware isn't up >snuff Linux will cause it to fail. But (in the same breath) Linux can That is true. It may not work with some devices as well. >easily run on systems where older versions of Windows will fail to run. >I can build a base Linux that will fit on a 50M disk (with swap). Heck >I can run my 3B2 on that (sorry no Linux for the 3B2). I've put W95, OE, IE networking and Word on a WD2120 (120mb) with 50mb free (allowing 16mb swap). There is nothing special about that and linix will fir in far smaller than 50mb (I have Trevors LRP floppy yes linux, routing and whatnot on ONE 1.44mb floppy). My first try with linus was on a 60mb IDE (slackware 3.0). >Microsoft products and other OS's. I've lived through Lan Mangler 3.5 >with OSI (I hate Domains!) though the various erosion of various protocols >bent towards Microsoft's use (and away from every one else's if they >don't use Microsoft). This is very true and painful for us that know the truth. Allison

23 years, 10 months

Enough already! (was: Re: MS Laugh-In)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> And to keep the Classiccmp seramoanial (sp!) note going. >Also though unrelated in my opinion I refuse to grow up. Wasn't that " I won't grow up..."? Actually this is a fun topic even if way off. Allison

23 years, 10 months

Enough already! (was: Re: MS Laugh-In)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: Ernest <ernestls(a)home.com> >I have mixed feelings about MS Windows/NT but first of all, I should say >that I've earned a quite a nice chunk of change supporting MS products both >because they used brute force to make their product the office standard >(plenty of IS jobs,) and because their products are so faulty to begin with. >Should I be thanking them, or cursing them? It's an enigma to me. ;) it gave me yet another career to lure me from my beloved analog. >Windows is great. I believe that it's because, through my years of >supporting it, and working with it, I've intuitively learned it's >limitations. At my office, the machines that I purchase and setup myself are >stable. This is because I research what software plays well with Windows and >avoid that which doesn't, and because I choose hardware that I've learned to >trust -like Asus, and 3com. I'm immediately suspicious when someone calls me Very good point. it all has to work together. VMS has an advantage as the hardware and software are married (least for the vax!). >cases, reasonable to me. The user is a beginner or a moron. They loaded some >stupid screensaver or badly designed piece of freeware. Or the computer Common problem, deleting something or worse moving to nowhere useful. >itself is just to old to run the newer software that's been loaded. In my >experience, these are the most common reasons for crashes. Occasionally, Funny thing most of my systems are P166MMXs and only 32mb ram with good IDE drives of adaquate size, crashes are uncommon for some and very common for others. Why, every hear of Crystal Reports, to name one peice of crap that is part of some large payroll companies package (begins with A,,). >there's a broken video card or bad memory chips, or a power fluctuation but My pet problem especially wiith older boxes those IDC connectors after about 5 insertion/removeal cycles get real flakey. >maybe 1 in 15 times is it what I believe to be a problem with Windows or >it's design. When someone's computer crashes, they love to blame Windows but >how often is the problem really with Windows? Possibly always but there are >a lot of variables to consider when you place the blame. Good point. I had a winbox get nasty about finding the mouse due to a bad power connector! No other problems, just wanted to find a PS2 mouse despite having a 9pin generic. >howls of agony in the distance? I want to like Linux, and I do like it but >it's got it's flaws, just like Windows. Right now, I would recommend Windows Linus is not for the novice computer user or as I call it "not yet ready for prime time" Otherwise it's fine. Allison

23 years, 10 months

BA23 w/RA70

by oliv555＠arrl.net

Well I've got this empty BA23 and enough boards to put together a MVIII/kda50. What I don't have is the RA control panel. My question is, can the RA70 be set up to run without it? If so, what jumper/sw settings? The box may be an earlier model, badged microPDP11, so I have to wonder if the VAX, 2 mem bds, kda50, RA70, RQDX3 (for the RX33) and a DELQA would be too much for the P/S. nick o

23 years, 10 months

Enough already! (was: Re: MS Laugh-In)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Enrico Badella <enrico.badella(a)softstar.it> >years that Linux kernels have crashed on me, while my NT SP6 now that I've >added a soundblaster live has the tendancy of giving me a BSOD quite >frequently. How can NT with MS audio drivers crash? This is only >acceptable if you are doing your own drivers or hacking the kernel. I had the same problem on my servers, killed the audio in the bios and it persisted. The 4mb Trident AGP video driver was bad news. Since it's a server I used the MS PCI XGA and it worked much better. However, even with the BSOD, the system was still serving pages! I didn't like the BSOD but the system was still intact. The audio and video drivers in NT4 live in ring zero (low protection) to make the gamers happy. NT3.51 didn't do this and was far less prone. Better video and audio drivers often solve the problem. My solution is keep the games, audio and high end video off the NT box I want it robust. Put those things on a W9x crate and play there. >From a commercial product I would expect a reliability at least as Solaris >or VMS (well here I've asking probably too much) ;) >Have you every though about docs? If you don't ave resource kit, that kit >other kit there is no way to get info about processes running un a NT box. Lessee, NT, three finger salute hit the correct tab and you get data and can even stop or kill them from there if they are not protected. there are utilities out there. Check Tucows! >At least on unix you can do a man xxxxx. who knows what smss.exe or csrss.exe >do? Even if you do know what they do what can you do about it, with it? Allison

23 years, 10 months

MS Laugh-In

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>Richard Erlacher wrote: >> >> I'm told that the principal difference between W98SE and ME is that you >> can't install ME without first registering it. I haven't tried it, so I >> don't know whether that's really the case, but . . . >> >> Dick I have, and it cant register as the systems it was put on have no modems nor does the interanet they are on conect to the internet. Runs just fine. >have to register in order for it to keep working. I actually >opened and quit Word 50 times to see what happened. It refused >to keep working. So I registered, and it asked me whether I agreed >to provide information about my computer to MS so that >"they could offer me better technical support in the future". >Needless to say, I refused, but I wonder how much the managed to find >out about me in the process. I'd heard about that and refuse to buy Word2000. Very simple, the machines I manage cannot and will not talk to the outside. MS has to fix that. This is a rampent disease out there, the idea that network access is fast and always there means they (VENDORs) can skip docs, final patches, updates by mail or a lot of other things we pay for. I had to camp on Allaire to send a CD as they wanted me to download the eval version of their CF4.51product, it's way to big for a modem, even at 56k. HP dumped STAC (or did STAC fail?) and I find out when the backups on the T20I travan failed. Find that on the web site... nope. WE BUY this crap, that why it is pandered. Allison

23 years, 10 months

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