On Oct 23, 20:19, Hans Franke wrote:
> I stand to be corrected Pete, but at least the Chip Directory
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~ganswijk/chipdir/n/160.htm
> agrees to my memory. I may check my databooks tonight.
:-) I'm not saying you're wrong, just remembering what may have been Acorn
marketing. I'd be interested to see what the data books say if you find
them.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
Hi Group:
I'm looking for a controller for my TS03 tape drive, freshly racked in a
nice
11/34A recently rescued from North Vancouver.
The modules in a TMB11 are:
M105
M795
M796
M7821
M7911
M7912
and they fit into a custom 4-slot backplane.
I realize that this is a longshot, but anybody that has one that's
available, please contact me!
Thanks as well to those that helped with my recent 11/34 booting and console
questions!
Kevin
Since Data General is now digested by EMC I am trying even harder to acquire, restore and preserve the DG 16-bit Nova and Eclipse hardware, software and documentation. Please let me know if anybody has DG 16-bit software, doc and hardware that needs a home...
Bruce Ray
bkr(a)SimuLogics.com
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To: History Preservation Buffs
In a little over 30+ years Data General has gone from exciting startup
computer company, to number two minicomputer company, to almost a footnote
in our memories. The recent buyout by EMC has effectively closed the door
on any corporate interest in saving this important part of computer history.
A recent increase in 16-bit Nova and Eclipse activity(!) and has made us
decide to split off a separate web site - www.SimuLogics.com - to try to
deal with these situation. The intent is to salvage, restore, preserve and
archive all of the 16-bit Nova, Eclipse and compatible hardware, software
and documentation possible. As part of this effort we have donated most of
our own DG systems to the various museums, educational institutes and
collectors. We are also transferring all manuals and software to CDROM to
preserve this heritage.
Various clients and vendors have also supported this effort by providing
hardware, software and documentation that we are transferring to CDROM for
archival and historical purposes.
The www.SimuLogics.com web site's nostalgia section is planned to be the
starting point for an expanded area for this highlight in computer history.
Now I'm scrounging trying to find any and all Nova- and Eclipse-type stuff
to resurrect, restore and run, and am seeking any Nova/Eclipse/RDOS/AOS
hardware/software/documentation that could be preserved - any items that
might be even loaned for testing and/or archival purposes would be
appreciated. Also, any good tidbits or other such stuff would be great to
include in the triva section for posterity.
And third-party DG look alikes are also being sought. Point 4, Bytronix,
Keronix and other vendors were important sub-markets within the DG area along with
third-party operating systems such as MICOS, BITS, VMOS, MUMPS and BLIS/COBOL.
And site comments/ridicule/suggestions are always welcome!
Bruce Ray
bkr(a)SimuLogics.com
www.SimuLogics.com
Parent company:
Wild Hare Computer Systems, Inc.
P O Box 3581
Boulder, Colorado 80307-3581
USA
vox: (303) 466-7717
fax: (303) 465-5780
bkr(a)WildHareComputers.com
www.WildHareComputers.com
I have a serious questions to ask. How high can you pile computers and not
damage the bottom units.
I have computers stacked along my garage walls. For example:
MicroVAX II on bottom, three 3B2's next, AT&T Unix PC next, box of keyboards
above, empty boxes and boxes of cables on top.
I wonder if pile stability is the most important, or that the heaviest stuff
be on the bottom, or is regular shape items on the bottom best. Seeing the
floor is not a problem.
I'm trying to buy some shelving from a friend in St. Louis who gets it
cheap. Although cheap shelving is an oxymoron. I envision some stainless
steel roll around shelving and some fixed units. Of course if the New
Madrid Fault reactivates I'll just have to restack.
Can anyone guess what the average per foot floor load is for 3' high
computer piles? I'm afraid that my garage attic may collapse on the cars if
I stack it higher than 3'. I'm also worried about the temperature extremes
in the garage attic.
I'm lucky my wife and I have several small power and sailboats and guess
what boats live outdoors with no complaints about rain, snow, heat and cold.
When my kids go off to college I'm converting 1 or more bedrooms into
workshops.
Thanks
Mike
mmcfaddden(a)cmh.edu
From: Kevin Stewart <stewart_kevin(a)hotmail.com>
>Ok, can we stop this? 1) It's irrelevant 2) OS-bashing does NOTHING
>positive. 3) It's Microsoft, not M$ or microsh*t 4) It's Windows, not
>winblows, windoze, etc.
Actually it's MICROS~1 ;)
>Windows has its useful places in the world, as do Linux, VMS, *BSD,
MacOS
No it's taken the world some place it shouldn't go. While the idea and
over all
plan is good it's execution is there the comments arise.
I manage 40 clients running w95osr2.1, minimum of one crash a week.
Uptime
is measured by TBI, that's time between Installs due to it's propensity
for eating
itself. For w95osr2 that's about 10 months. W98se has the record for
not even
running on a engineering machine that ran Autocad for years without
grief. A
raft (nearly 50mb) of patches later from MS and a list of vendors later
it's nearly
stable.
>and others. What works for you works for you. I'm currently using an NT
4
>box (my main workstation) that sits alongside 20+ Mac, *BSD and Linux
boxen
I do too, much better once they got to SP4!!! However add IIS or worse
office97
and it's not nearly as solid. Dont forget SP1 and SP2 for Office97. I
use it
but while IE/OE are installed I try not to use them as they have
demonstated
weakness and are a huge security hole. Without MS apps it's acceptable.
>and goes through a Linux firewall to my cablemodem. Linux has crashed on
me
>< 5 times, mostly when I'm screwing around with code and make a stupid
>mistake. NT has crashed < 5 times as well. This box (A celeron
433/96/8gig)
No news there. The difference is in linux you can see where and why, w9x
its all too difficult to diagnose. Then again any system where you can
write/modify the kernal code is susceptable to crashes. Linux doesn't
suffer
>from putting the Video driver in the most unprotected place where errant
apps can munge it and kill you (winNT4).
The upside is a ODBC for NT that really works is only $4000 after
spending
a bomb for all the other stuff to make a "real server" using it. Or
running
an app and needing support and having the vendor expire before the
warrentee.
Linux and FreeBSD have a few warts but open code is at least fixable.
Ever deal with NT domains? Their fun. Try and get a server to
participate
in a domain. Ever try to create a PDC when one pukes and there is no
BDC ( a legacy issue) but now you have to have one? It's simple,
reinstall EVERYthing as you can only get that choice at install time.
Dont forget to install IIS, do it later and it much not participate in
the
SAM, split domain secuity that results is loads of fun when you
needed a server yesterday. IIS can be fun, server can do file services
but wants a password for a simple web page because it split the
domain internally somehow and the web pages done have "permissions".
Ever try and track the service packs and hotfixes for NT4? I have the
complete
set of some 13 CDroms for 3.51, all patches and fixes. I gave up trying
for NT4, If I have to bridge the Intranet to the Internet you can bet a
proxy
server/firwall and content filter will be there.
Then there is the little problem of IntenetExplorer, the virus back door
that does. Any server apps you write have to be written for it as those
aimed at all other browsers are different. Add to that OutlookExpress
another virus barn door that can't figure out how to produce nicely
wrapped text at 80 characters or any other line length that may be
reasonable.
Why use it... have you ever tried to move from servers running NT3.51
to linux with a W95 client base? A real test of sanity and recreating a
small raft of code. Worse yet is doing it the NTway and finding all the
3.51 code is useless under NT4. then you have the problem of W95
network logins if there is no "domain". No secuity on the 'net either.
Now do you understand the frustration? Tis better it's vented as humor
as the alternate is serious fault finding.
Allison
Well the last few weeks have been up and down not much 10plus stuff but
lots of 1 to 8 year old stuff. At one thrift I found a PSION series 3a
manual but not the machine ( I go by each day looking for it)and at
another I found a MPF-1 User's manual and a Monitor program source
listing manual for the same board. I'm still looking for the MPF-1
board to show up there.
Picked up a HP9114B FDD unit at an auction. At another auction I got
HP45711B Portable Plus. That's it for now Keep on Computing.
John Keys
In a message dated Mon, 23 Oct 2000 2:34:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
"McFadden, Mike" <mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu> writes:
<< I have a serious questions to ask. How high can you pile computers and not
damage the bottom units.
I have computers stacked along my garage walls. For example:
MicroVAX II on bottom, three 3B2's next, AT&T Unix PC next, box of keyboards
>>
Although this isn't exactly on topic here, I would like to promise you and
every other Classic Comp'r on the list that if you would see fit to sell/give
me that AT&T Unix PC, I would USE it and never stack or stuff it anywhere :-)
Seriously though, I have been hunting for one of these everywhere and can't
seem to find one...
Linc Fessenden
members.aol.com/lfessen106
In a message dated Mon, 23 Oct 2000 2:58:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
"Richard Erlacher" <richard(a)idcomm.com> writes:
><< I've begun to see numbers of old Mac's in the >various thrift stores.
Which models are particularly >interesting? I've never had much of a taste
for the >things, but at $6-$10 each it might be worth snagging >the things
just for the disk drives, or some such.
>Today I ran into a classic, a ii-lc or some such and >iii-si or something
like that. These latter are both >those recent-looking low-profile thingies.
Do they >have anything of interest in them?
Look for SE/30 or LC III or even a centris. they are powerful enough to do
things with. Mac classic is just a redesigned SE w/ FDHD.
I know someone who has a nice Tandy 4P with a printer and manuals
available. It's all boxed up and waiting to go. There are three boxes,
the weights being 68, 33 and 7 pounds. The from ZIP code is 98039.
Please reply directly to me if you are interested. Precedence will go to
local pickups (Seattle, WA area, specifically Medina). If you are not
local, please be prepared to make a small offer on the lot, on top of the
shipping costs (use UPS website to calculate).
In this case, please do reply to me directly :)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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