Hello Marvin,
is it still OK to plan for pickup on Friday morning ?
I will leave here Wednesday night, in order to be with John Lawson on
Thursday.
As of now I do not have any means to find you.
Thank you and best regards
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com>
>
>Perhaps the attached 'history' will help.
>
It helps much. Thanks for taking the time to find that history and post it.
I am convinced to start my KayPro Web page now. There are plenty of free
Web servers out there.
I have a real soft spot for the KayPro and I sense there are a few others
that do also here. Time somebody starts a dedicated Web site to honor these
hard working machines. Besides, you never forget your first one! :-)
If anybody has any scanned photos or can scan some sales brochures etc. ,
please send them to DD950(a)prodigy.net . I have nothing KayPro left here
except a leather cover for the 2X-84. I paid $75 for it in 1984 and used it
only to take the machine home LOL. Sure seemed like a good purchase at the
time!
More of the history is needed and very welcome. I think Kaypro started as a
test instrument company under another name and that is were the standard
"portable" cases came from for the CP/M machines. ?? Also the history of
MicroPo and the rise and fall of WordStar should be included here if anybody
will or has written something up. I think it is also an interesting story.
This will be a group effort and perhaps we can make the Web site a bit of
the home page for this mailing list with pictures of the contributors etc.
Regards,
??? <-- KayPro graphics, remember them?
~
Jim Rossbach
"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
( Bill Gates, 1981 )
> For what it's worth - when I worked in the Cooler department here
>at Coca-Cola we used a automotive dent puller (which is a kind of
>slide hammer) to pull locks in vending machines. We had the hardest
>type to break into because we used Abloy locks.
I hope this is never necessary for a classic computer! For the DEC
and DG machines that I'm familiar with and which used a real lock
cylinder, all you have to do is remove the front panel, loosen a nut,
and pull the cylinder. It does pay to look carefully before doing this,
as when you put in the new cylinder you want the cam in the correct
position to activate the microswitches.
If you aren't patient enough to put in a new cylinder, you can use
small objects (my favorites were guitar picks) to close the
appropriate microswitches you need to operate the machine.
--
Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com
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> First the levels form most of the 1861 based designs are poor or sloppy.
No argument.
> The front and back porches are a bit wide. Likely the problem will be
> solved when the said cosmac get's it's circuit fixed.
That's why I wrote in... to find a fix.
> FYI: I have a cosmac design that has the 1861...
How can I get a scan/copy? I have some example schematics for 1861
circuits, but they tend to be very simple with not much more than a
couple of resistors. Probably the very thing you were saying is
inadequate.
I do not know enough about video to design a correct circuit, but I can
certainly install one.
Thanks,
-ethan
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Oops -- I deleted the message mentioning the "hacker's guide" to picking
locks. Actually it's a locksmithing guide, if you're thinking of the MIT
document.
http://www.lysator.liu.se/mit-guide/mit-guide.htmlhttp://www.telepath.com/pillar/locksmith.html
Anyone who's really interested might also look for a document called
"scrtlock.html" or "scrtlock.txt", by Steven Hampton, and which used to be
on Stephen Hardman's page.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
>>>> Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com> 09/25 8:26 AM >>>
> If anyone has any M7622 (16MB MS650/MicroVAX 3) memory boards they wish to
>part with, and were considering carting to the VCF swap meet, I would
>certainly consider buying if the price is right... ;-)
I'll be looking for an Osborne Executive in the $50-60 range if someone wants to bring one along. Also seeking a Kaypro Robie, which I'll go much higher on, depending on condition
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Jaspers <ToddJ(a)symresources.com>
> Hi, im new to the list, I don't know how busy this list is, but if
>it's anything like the Fiero list.. there should be at least 100 emails a
>day
Only 100 or so postings a day huh? Well you will soon get used to the
increased volume of email on this list. :-)
Welcome to the list. I and the other three people here besides myself that
are interested in KayPro welcome you. I threw my 2X-84 away in 1995. Wish
I would have kept it. They are selling on eBay now for $35-40. :-)
I have thought of trying to collect some information on KayPro and make a
dedicated Web page. Problem is I do not have any material or knowledge of
the company and can't find any here in the boonies.
A short time ago I remarked how the Coleco Adam still had venders, User
Groups, and many Web pages while the KayPro has almost disappeared.
Welcome Aboard, oh, it is your turn to buy the next round, :-)
Regards,
Jim Rossbach, Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club Web Ring, www.TonkinYachts.cjb.net
The astonishing thing was that the newsperson managed to say "Authorities
*suspect* alcohol was involved" with a straight face.
> Tubular locks depend on depressing each of the pins to exactly the right
>depth, and the tolerances are very tight. My best guess is that it would
>take -hours- of continuous effort, assuming that a tool even exists for it,
>because all the pins have to be held in precisely the right position
>simultaneously.
Such a tool does exist - it's a "gun" type object, you set the levers on
the handle to the depths you want, insert, and turn. Real locksmiths
(with tables for the key codes) take about ten seconds to do this.
> If you think tubulars are tricky, take a look at the Medeco high-security
>cylinders. Not only do you have vertical pins, you've also got a series of
>cams along the side that are angle-sensitive. That's why you'll see the
>keys cut with angled notches.
>
> I once heard a rumor that Medeco had a standing reward of $10,000 for
>anyone who could successfully pick one of their high-sec cylinders. If such
>a reward does exist, I've yet to hear of it being claimed.
I don't know about picking, but at Caltech several of the undergraduates
had very efficient means for copying Medeco keys.
--
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--- CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com wrote:
> >At 07:14 PM 9/25/99 +0100, Tony Duell wrote:
> >>
> >>What sort of lock is it? Most locks can be picked, although the worst
> >>common type is the 'Ace' tubular lock
> It's probably simpler to buy the correct key. All DEC systems with
> tubular locks that I've met use a XX2247 key,
I have *one* PDP-8/L PSU with a different key (but I have the key). All
other DEC locks I have ever run across were the XX2247 key. You used to
be able to get spares from friendly FS guys.
> The later "plastic key" DEC locks can be turned with just about anything -
> they aren't really locks at all.
But don't use an XX2247 metal key in those plastic ones on a regular basis.
The fluting (combination) on the metal keys abrads the plastic "lock" body.
My younger brother is a former locksmith (and current professional geek). He
owns an Ace lockpick. It's like an Ace key body with the pin grooves cut
all the way up the cylinder and feeler gauges in the grooves with a tension
collar above where the lock body would sit on the key. The whole thing is
capped with a 1" knurled plastic knob. To pick the lock, you slide all the
feelers down to zero, insert the "key" into the lock and give it this special
twisting, pushing, pulling motion that's hard to describe in writing. The
idea is to bind the pins in the lock and push back the feelers by pressing the
pick against the bound pins. He can open a pop machine in about 15 sec.
The secondary benefit of this pick is that you can now make a key from the
pick since you know all the depths. It's about $70. He made a second one
for a non-Ace lock, but he's that kind of guy. No, I don't own one myself,
but he did re-key my personal Gorf machine to XX2247 for my convenience.
-ethan
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Hi, im new to the list, I don't know how busy this list is, but if
it's anything like the Fiero list.. there should be at least 100 emails a
day. In any case, let me say a little bit about myself... or at least the
computers i've had. I used to collect old computers. While I gave most of
them to my roommate, I still have quite a few old ones..
1) KayPro PC-10.. two 5.25" drives, 20mb ST-225/RLL, Herc Monochrome.
2) KayPro 2 - Huge portable CP/M beast...
3) KayPro laptop
4) Leading Edge 386 SX-16
5) IBM PCjr - Fully loaded with drive, 128k mem, all games ever made on
cart, and color screen.
6) Amiga 500 with two monitors. 4 shoeboxes of games.
7) Atari XEGM
8) Commodore 64
9) Commodore 128/SX (one of three prototypes ever made, and I took it apart
and thew it away because I had no idea it was worth anything. Got it from an
ex-Commodore worker)
10) Atari 1040ST
Are any of these really rare? Im a big fan of KayPro computers but don't
really have very many. I actually gave away my laptop because I had too much
junk lying around. I still have the PC-10 (first real computer) but it's
stored away in the basement of a house we are leasing out in Northern
Virginia.
Todd,
1987 Pontiac Fiero SE / V6
1985 Pontiac Fiero GT
1984 Pontiac Fiero 2m4 SE
1982 Pontiac TransAm V8 "Smokey & The Bandit III Edition"
